Corn varieties non sweet (forum)

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I want to try some non sweet corn flint and flour corn varieties, but it seems that you cannot easily import them to Australia.
Look how much variety they have:
http://sustainableseedco.com/flint-corn/
I would love to grow the green dent and the painted mountain and...

Time: 17th July 2011 10:22pm

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Mike says...
I too would like to grow some of the corn varieties not in Australia.I am more interested in the tropical corns that are all different colours from black to red or white and multicoloured in sweet,starchy and wax types.In Australia we seem to be limited to midwest US yellow or yellow and white kinds.

Time: 17th July 2011 10:37pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
That means they are not around?
Were have you looked?

Time: 17th July 2011 10:52pm

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Mike says...
I have to admit I haven't looked around much but I would have seen them or heard about them I think.I have eaten them and seen them in Thailand and you see some of them in seeds for sale on line.I do have tropical thai white wax corn.

Time: 17th July 2011 10:58pm

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peter says...
not sure if their the ones that you are looking for but eden seeds are showing red and multi coloured seeds on there site.

Time: 17th July 2011 11:50pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
I think Eden has the biggest variety available in Australia. You could still go to Shouth American grocery shops and look if you find some strangely coloured corn kernels.

Time: 18th July 2011 7:07pm

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John Mc says...
I grew an excellent crop of popping corn late last year. Very quick, small kernels, but pop and taste excellent. There is still some left over here if anyone want's to try some.
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Time: 18th July 2011 7:42pm

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M Nash says...
Ill give that a go John, Swap for some K7 coffee green beans?

Time: 18th July 2011 9:49pm

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John Mc says...
Sounds great,
I don't have any K7.
I'll send you a hand full so you can try some and plant some. You only need to plant a dozen or so seeds for a good crop. You can't eat them fresh they're too hard and dry. Just leave them on the stalk till it all dies and they're ready to go.







Time: 18th July 2011 10:20pm

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M Nash says...
Done, Your in NSW so I can send you full berrys or just piped.
Also, when I say K7, It was asumed by many people here that the wild coffee growing in rain forrest in my back yard would be K7 as that was what was planted in plantations in Terranora in long past years.
I buy green beans from all over the world for coffee. None makes a stronger cafiene hit than the wild ones I have growing.
They are in berry now and some starting to colour. I will send these fresh ones once they are ripe and starting to dry up on the tree.
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Time: 18th July 2011 10:40pm

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Speedy says...
About 25 yrs ago there where a dozen or more varieties of maize offered by seed companies in Aust. most seem to have been lost now.

Maybe one reason is because it's not used much for human food in Australia.

there are varieties of maize grown as 'Feed corn' for animal.

I don't know for sure, but many of them could be gm varieties.
besides, I'm more interested in traditional varieties with a history of use for hominy, tortillas, tamales etc.

I was given a few varieties by Paul Ubrihien, a farmer in Bega when I went to visit him after seeing the youtube video.(below)
Unfortunately he sold his farm and was to had it over in July this year and won't be growing as much from now on.

I feel a sense of resposibility to keep the varieties isolated and keep them going.

It would be worth contacting Bega valley seedsavers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCVwG9gdgzQ

Time: 18th July 2011 10:49pm

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Mono says...
Mirco bros have a few I saw on the web.
www.mircobros.com.au


Time: 19th July 2011 1:15pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Yes the seed savers network had many types, now you would have to contact local seedsavers networks to see what they have.
It is possible to find ornamental multicolored maize at home deco shops from time to time.
If you want to seedsave a corn variety for future growing, you need to grow at least 100 plants, and save some seed from as many cobs as possible, otherwise it becomes inbred quickly

Time: 19th July 2011 5:52pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
I might have to become involved with the local seed savers anyway. It is a shame that the old seed varieties have dissapeared.
There is a very good book on growing staples from Carol Deppe, it's called the resilient gardener.

Time: 19th July 2011 6:02pm

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Charles cant spell says...
Ringelsttrumpf - Julie Firth has limited supply of a couple of open pollinated varieties - http://www.permaculturenursery.com.au/seeds/seeds.html

Mention you are trying to get them going within a seed saving group as she is very much interested in the network and seed localisation etc.

Time: 21st July 2011 12:47pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
Charles, this is a nice selection they have! Not exactly the corn, but all the other things, very unusual.
I just looked at AQIS and we cannot import corn and we cannot import beans either! You need an import permission and whatnot. Corn is an American crop so they naturally have tons of varieties.

Time: 21st July 2011 2:40pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
How difficult and how expensive is it to get an import permission? I mean not as an individual but as a seed saver group or gardening club. If one would get away with it financing this with a couple of sausage sizzles than that's achievable.
If every seed saver club in Australia would be able to import one variety of beans and one variety of corn than we would have a nice selection. If you look at the choice in American seed catalogues you get jealous! I think it is very important to have a good choice for staple crops which can be grown by gardeners.

Time: 23rd July 2011 2:22pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
Most seed catalogues offer only sweet corns. The other categories are dent which is mainly animal food flint and flour corn. Eden offers Golden supreme, red Aztec and Red nib, Greenpatch Early Leaming. But none of them mention wather they are dents flint or flour corns. Apparently you use them differently. And they don't tell you either if they are for a hot or cool climate.
Google doesn't know anything either but there must be different Lemings.

Time: 24th July 2011 9:11pm

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Speedy says...
Flints and dents are used for Nixtamal.
ie. treated with lime (CaOH) and cooked.
then dried (Hominy) or ground to a dough (masa).
The masa can be pressed to make tortillas, tostadas, totopos (corn chips) etc.
... or mixed with lard to make tamales,
...or mixed into milk and or water and cooked (with sugar and any of the following flavours... vanilla, cacao, anise, almonds)
Atole is a kind of like a thick drink or runny thin porridge and is quite satisfying.

Leaming has small small pointy grain.
its handy as a feed for pigeons, chooks and other poultry.

'Golden Supreme' , acording to Paul Ubrihien, the guy from Bega
(see video link in my previous post) used to be grown to make Corn Flakes.

He said that the related and similar 'Golden Superb' is a better variety for some reason.
it's a dent corn.

I'm guessing that 'Aztec Red', as with many 'Indian corn' vars., is a flint corn.

'Red Nib'...I don't know.

others you may find in Aust.
'Hickory King' (white) - dent
'Giant White' -dent
Manning White' - flint?
'Manning Pride' (yellow)- flint?
'Red Delight' (red) - flint?
'Leaming' (yellow) - flint
'Hopi Blue' Grey/blue) - flour
'Strawberry' (red) - Pop
'Ontos Oval' (yellow) - pop

Time: 25th July 2011 11:05pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
Thanks Speedy . Do you really make masa?
There seem to be more varieties around than you find in the seed catalogues!

Time: 26th July 2011 1:19pm

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Speedy says...
I mostly use Masa Harina.
measure out , add water , mix, rest 10 min. then make tortillas etc.
very easy.
I want to grow enough maize so I can use it to make fresh.


Time: 26th July 2011 10:51pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
then you must find a source of edible lime, or will you eat garden lime?

Time: 26th July 2011 10:53pm

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Speedy says...
yeah, brickie's lime/ slaked lime does the job.
Ca(OH)2
garden lime is just ground limestone CaCO3.
Lime paste for use with betel nut chewing could be used, but much more expensive in the quantities it's packaged and sold.

in the pic is a Metate y mano , the traditional Mesoamerican grinding table for grinding masa ( and spice mixes, and chocolate etc.).
heavy...15-20kg of volcanic stone.
also one of my Tortilla presses, and maize.
Maize vars. L to R are Red Delight, Hickory King, Giant White and Golden Supreme.

just need to plant them out (separated of course) .....soon :-)



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ringelstrumpf says...
You really eat brickies lime???

Time: 4th August 2011 5:54pm

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Meeka says...
I'm looking for blue hopi corn but so far cannot find it anywhere, anyone here know where to get some? :)

Time: 4th August 2011 8:46pm

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Speedy says...
Meeka, I haven't seen Hopi Blue in Aust. for maybe 20yrs now.
keep searching for it, someone may still have it.
I grew it for a few years.
it's a flour type maize.
One of the traditional uses was to make an unusual large wafer thin 'bread' that is folded into many layers.
I've never made it but have seen old pics of how it was done.

Slaked Lime will burn skin esp. in the mouth if you eat it.
though after cooking the maize in lime water and the reaction has taken place ,
changing the nature of the maize and improving the nutritional quality,
any remaining traces of lime are rinsed away before eating it.



Time: 5th August 2011 1:44am

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BJ says...
Blue flat bread is delicious!

Time: 5th August 2011 9:42am

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