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I brought the Ylang Ylang tree from you last year, and I've pampered it, kept it warm and covered it in frosts (Melbourne has a contrary weather pattern) . No good, the entire top, branches and leaves turned black as coal, as though burnt in an oven. What have I done wrong? Is it worth trying again under different circumstances? I'm heart broken!
Hope you can help
Sheila
I brought the Ylang Ylang tree from you last year, and I've pampered it, kept it warm and covered it in frosts (Melbourne has a contrary weather pattern) . No good, the entire top, branches and leaves turned black as coal, as though burnt in an oven. What have I done wrong? Is it worth trying again under different circumstances? I'm heart broken!
Hope you can help
Sheila
Ylang Ylang
Melbourne
13th August 2009 3:57pm
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Greg says...
Hi Sheila, ylang ylangs are very cold senstitive. Probably the only real hope of success in Victoria would be in a greenhouse to generate some warmth and protect from frosts. Very challenging and frustrating at the same time trying to succeed with a ylang ylang in the cooler regions. good luck, Greg
Hi Sheila, ylang ylangs are very cold senstitive. Probably the only real hope of success in Victoria would be in a greenhouse to generate some warmth and protect from frosts. Very challenging and frustrating at the same time trying to succeed with a ylang ylang in the cooler regions. good luck, Greg
Greg
Kyogle
13th August 2009 5:17pm
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Speedy says...
As Greg said,
Ylang Ylang is a chalenge in cooler regions.
Even NNSW they can be a challenge let alone Vic.
I'd go so far as to say you'd need a heated glasshouse.
Ylang ylang start suffering when temps get down to 5-8degC and dont get back up to at least 18-20degC during the day.
The common ylang ylang in that situation would need to be pruned drastically to keep it from hitting the roof.
They flower from leaf axils on lateral growth anyway so it
shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Dwarf forms do exist that will flower at less than a metre high,
though I dont know of them in Aust. (not to say they're not already here).
Another plant that has equally intoxicating perfume and while
different, I rate it in the same league, is the White Champaka (Michelia alba).
'Cempaka Putih' in Indonesia
'Champee' in Thailand
Not to be confused with the yellow Champaka (M.champaca) whos perfume is not as refined as the White C.
- kind of like comparing the balanced sweetness of Osmanthus with
the sickly 'rude, in-your-face' sweetness of Jasmine-
(scents are so difficult to describe!)
M.alba will grow outdoors in Melbourne and I've seen it in a nursery there.
They're usually grafted onto M.champaca and are expensive, but I reckon worth it.
Mine got a bit frosted here in North Victoria this year with some -3degC overnights but it's
a bit exposed atm. and I'll have no probs in future with it as things grow.
There's also climbing ylang ylang (Artabotrys hexapatalus) that
doesnt seem as sensetive to cold.
Not quite as floriferous as Cananga odorata.
There are a few at MtCoot-tha and at city Botanic gerdens in Bris.
Dont know about Sydney BG.
Could be worth a try if you can locate someone who has it.
Desmos chinensis is another climber from the same family worth tracking down
as it's popular in SE Asia for it's perfumed fls.
I haven't seen it in Aust.
Melodorum leichardtii (M.odoratum?) from NNSW rainforests is worth a look at too.
Beautifully sweet perfumed fls. , small understorey shrub, also in Anonaceae.
As Greg said,
Ylang Ylang is a chalenge in cooler regions.
Even NNSW they can be a challenge let alone Vic.
I'd go so far as to say you'd need a heated glasshouse.
Ylang ylang start suffering when temps get down to 5-8degC and dont get back up to at least 18-20degC during the day.
The common ylang ylang in that situation would need to be pruned drastically to keep it from hitting the roof.
They flower from leaf axils on lateral growth anyway so it
shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Dwarf forms do exist that will flower at less than a metre high,
though I dont know of them in Aust. (not to say they're not already here).
Another plant that has equally intoxicating perfume and while
different, I rate it in the same league, is the White Champaka (Michelia alba).
'Cempaka Putih' in Indonesia
'Champee' in Thailand
Not to be confused with the yellow Champaka (M.champaca) whos perfume is not as refined as the White C.
- kind of like comparing the balanced sweetness of Osmanthus with
the sickly 'rude, in-your-face' sweetness of Jasmine-
(scents are so difficult to describe!)
M.alba will grow outdoors in Melbourne and I've seen it in a nursery there.
They're usually grafted onto M.champaca and are expensive, but I reckon worth it.
Mine got a bit frosted here in North Victoria this year with some -3degC overnights but it's
a bit exposed atm. and I'll have no probs in future with it as things grow.
There's also climbing ylang ylang (Artabotrys hexapatalus) that
doesnt seem as sensetive to cold.
Not quite as floriferous as Cananga odorata.
There are a few at MtCoot-tha and at city Botanic gerdens in Bris.
Dont know about Sydney BG.
Could be worth a try if you can locate someone who has it.
Desmos chinensis is another climber from the same family worth tracking down
as it's popular in SE Asia for it's perfumed fls.
I haven't seen it in Aust.
Melodorum leichardtii (M.odoratum?) from NNSW rainforests is worth a look at too.
Beautifully sweet perfumed fls. , small understorey shrub, also in Anonaceae.
Speedy
Nth Vic
14th August 2009 3:50pm
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Dead! says...
Wow thanks Greg and Speedy. I'm a new gardener so I don't feel like a murderer now! I cut back the Ylang Ylang, and the colour of the trunk near the roots is O.K. But would you still consider this (Twig ) dead and dig it out? You know I had plastic and Doona covers over it, it only went 'crispy' when I decided to water it, over the top.
ABC garden online made mention of a small bush variety called Desmos Chinensis, which I can only trace to a wholesale nursery up north. But I wont bother if Melbourne cold is too much. I am now going on the hunt for the White Champaka (Michelia alba)and maybe the others. I'll try again, and thank you so much for your help
Wow thanks Greg and Speedy. I'm a new gardener so I don't feel like a murderer now! I cut back the Ylang Ylang, and the colour of the trunk near the roots is O.K. But would you still consider this (Twig ) dead and dig it out? You know I had plastic and Doona covers over it, it only went 'crispy' when I decided to water it, over the top.
ABC garden online made mention of a small bush variety called Desmos Chinensis, which I can only trace to a wholesale nursery up north. But I wont bother if Melbourne cold is too much. I am now going on the hunt for the White Champaka (Michelia alba)and maybe the others. I'll try again, and thank you so much for your help
Dead!
Melbourne
15th August 2009 12:39pm
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Speedy says...
I was at a nursery early july that was closing down.
they had a lot of Michelia alba (M.longifolia)in 60or80 litre bags
Most things were price reduced to 50%.
worth giving them a call.
http://www.denisestropicalgardens.com.au/products.php?base=21
I'd be very interested in getting the contact for the people with the Desmos chinensis, I've been looking for it for years.
Cheers ;-)
I was at a nursery early july that was closing down.
they had a lot of Michelia alba (M.longifolia)in 60or80 litre bags
Most things were price reduced to 50%.
worth giving them a call.
http://www.denisestropicalgardens.com.au/products.php?base=21
I'd be very interested in getting the contact for the people with the Desmos chinensis, I've been looking for it for years.
Cheers ;-)
Speedy
Nth Vic
15th August 2009 10:46pm
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dead says...
Thanks Speedy, I'll get in touch with that nursery. I found the Desmos chinensis at: http://www.equatorialexotics.com
Sorry I can't make this a link! They're in Queensland. I'll look some more for you.
Also, should I dig up my Ylang Ylang do you think?
Cheers
Sheila
Thanks Speedy, I'll get in touch with that nursery. I found the Desmos chinensis at: http://www.equatorialexotics.com
Sorry I can't make this a link! They're in Queensland. I'll look some more for you.
Also, should I dig up my Ylang Ylang do you think?
Cheers
Sheila
dead
17th August 2009 6:48pm
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Speedy says...
Thats ok, I found it.
thanks.
Yeah, I'd lift it, pop it back into a pot, put it in a warmer and
more protected position (if there is one), till weather warms up.
Be careful though, pots are more prone to variations in temperature,
so if you dont have somewhere constantly warmer,
you may be better to leave it for now.
there are risks either way.
If it goes back into a pot, water with warm water, say 25-30degC to take the chill out of the pot.
My experience over the years with low temp sensetive trop. plants is that they can often
get through winter, only to die in late winter- spring.
Its as if they hang on , and by the time the weather warms up they're just exhausted.
Thats ok, I found it.
thanks.
Yeah, I'd lift it, pop it back into a pot, put it in a warmer and
more protected position (if there is one), till weather warms up.
Be careful though, pots are more prone to variations in temperature,
so if you dont have somewhere constantly warmer,
you may be better to leave it for now.
there are risks either way.
If it goes back into a pot, water with warm water, say 25-30degC to take the chill out of the pot.
My experience over the years with low temp sensetive trop. plants is that they can often
get through winter, only to die in late winter- spring.
Its as if they hang on , and by the time the weather warms up they're just exhausted.
Speedy
N .Vic
17th August 2009 10:44pm
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dead
18th August 2009 1:35pm
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Tropicdude says...
There is a "new"? hybrid variety called: Champee Si Nuan, simalar to michelia champaca but with larger flowers that are creamy orange/yellow color. I was wondering if anyone has experience with them, do they grow in pots? how is the fragrance compared to other varieties?
There is a "new"? hybrid variety called: Champee Si Nuan, simalar to michelia champaca but with larger flowers that are creamy orange/yellow color. I was wondering if anyone has experience with them, do they grow in pots? how is the fragrance compared to other varieties?
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Tropicdude
3rd November 2009 3:26am
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