Finger Lime varieties (forum)

Rhys starts with ...
I was wondering if anyone could give me any info about the differences between the finger lime varieties at Daleys? A lot of the info under each variety seems generic to finger limes rather than that specific variety.

Do they have different climate preferences?
Is there much difference in taste, or mainly colour?

Also, given there is a "Grafted" and "Cutting Grown" ones, does that mean the rest are seedlings?

Thanks

PS: In case it's relevant, i'm looking to grow one in a pot in Newcastle

Time: 10th April 2010 10:24pm

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Jennyfurcat says...
Hi Rhys,

I have a grafted Finger Lime, which I bought about 10 years ago. I think its name was something like 'Forest Pearl'. From Finger Limes I have tasted, they all taste very similiar, but some look more attractive. Mine is now fruiting most prolifically, and I have just this week picked about 600 fruits from a shrubby tree more than 2 metres tall. I also have a couple of seedling trees. I would go for a grafted one for speed of fruiting. It would probably need to be pruned if it was to live in the pot permanently.

I have been experimenting with recipes, and Finger Lime & Lemon Butter and Finger Lime & Chilli Sauce have been excellent.

Time: 16th April 2010 1:41pm

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Rhys says...
Thanks for that...great to hear you've grown one so successfully in Sydney, given i'm hoping to grow mine in Newcastle. Which part of sydney are you in...do you get any/many frosts?

The recipes sound great by the way

Time: 16th April 2010 3:28pm

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Tcairns says...
Jennyfurcat,
Hi, stumbled across your posts on the finger lime... Illegal for me to get a living plant from Australia, but no restriction exists for open pollinated seeds. I was hoping, since you use you finger limes, if you might be willing to send me a package of seeds that you might only have thrown away anyway. I would love to attempt to grow these in the US.
If this is something you would consider, please communicate with me at: Tcairns67@yahoo.com
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely, Tracy Cairns.

Time: 22nd April 2010 1:14pm

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Diana says...
This breeder in northern NSW has descriptions of the taste of different varieties. I have seen the pink ice variety in Brisbane nurseries, it is supposed to be tart.

I only have a standard one, but a lemony one or 'sour apple' sounds good.

Diana.
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Time: 22nd April 2010 11:32pm

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Diana says...
PS the site is http://www.gourmetlimes.com/

Time: 22nd April 2010 11:34pm

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Rhys says...
Thanks for that Diana...do you know how/if the varieties on the Gourmet Limes page correspond to the Daley's varieties available?

Time: 23rd April 2010 10:55am

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Diana says...
Hi Rhys,

I don't think Daleys sells these varieties. There seem to be many different breeders developing new varieties of finger limes and hybrids, (e.g. other varieties at http://www.australianfingerlime.com/varieties.html). I am not sure who bred the varieties sold by Daleys- Correy may know?

Diana.

Time: 24th April 2010 5:59pm

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Jennyfurcat says...
Hi Tcairns,
Sorry I have taken a while to reply. I am happy to post you some seeds. My fruits have very few seeds, say 1 seed every 10 fruit, so I do not have many. Will send in a couple of weeks. Let me know your postal address or personal email to reply to.

Time: 5th May 2010 9:38pm

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Jennyfurcat says...
Hi Rhys,
Sorry I have taken a while to reply. I live in Galston, about 35 kms NW of Sydney near Hornsby. We do get some frosts most years, around August.

Time: 5th May 2010 9:40pm

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Jaejae says...
Just wondering if there is a variety of Finger Lime that is not spiky? Or if there is a variety that is the least spiky/thorny? I would love to grow one in my backyard, but do have to consider my four young children!

Time: 19th March 2012 3:04pm

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denise says...
From memory the russell river lime I saw was much less spiky=Microcitrus inodora. It is harder to find. If you grow a seedling finger lime it will put a bit of height before bushing out so much less foliage in the kiddy zone. Perhaps even a grafted one can be encouraged to have a higher foliage. It is good to have something not too severe to teach children about being careful about touching some plants, so finger lime is perfect.

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Jaejae says...
Thanks Denise - I'll see if I can source a Russell River lime. I like the idea of growing a seedling finger lime. I might try growing a few and then donate some to our primary school for their native or kitchen garden. I'm excited!

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Freyr says...
Hi !

I am looking for seeds of any australian citrus ( finger lime, round lime etc ) or any hybrids.

Unfortunately I cannot buy plants, for I am in europe ( Austria ).

I can swap rare european seeds or will pay.

Best Regards !

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I will look around the markets for you, and the trees grow wild in this part of the country. Not sure if they are in season but happy to check them for you.

Time: 12th April 2012 5:55pm

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Mike says...
Phil,a small 500g package to go to eaglehawk on Monday ETA Wednesday.I know what will be included yet.

Time: 12th April 2012 6:18pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey thanks bud, I guess you have my address then mister. If you have spare piper nigrum or vanilla I've always wanted to try them here, but can't wait to see what you select!

Time: 13th April 2012 9:29am

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Mike says...
Phil,I have it and I also have pepper.Unfortunately vanilla retired from the back yard 'run on side'.The 500g bag has been written on with permanent ink when it should be a 3kg bag even with a modest selection.I'll try to send a few fruit seeds/small plants,herbs and vegies as I'm not sure which you prefer.

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Thanks Mike, whatever you choose will be most welcome here.


Time: 13th April 2012 4:51pm

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Mike says...
Phil,I meant to send something a long time ago and just got lazy and then forgot.The wheels are in motion.

Time: 13th April 2012 7:20pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mike there is a large seed in the package I think which reads "Matissua or Matissia" not quite sure, but I'd like to know a bit more about it if you have time to e-mail me, just to give all my plants the best chance of survival. Phil
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Time: 19th April 2012 11:13am

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Mike says...
Phil, I thought I tossed in a couple of Matisia cordata seeds and sent a single mammey seed to jantina.If it is fibrous with hint of yellow flesh like a mango seed it is the matisia.That one was the 500g type with less fibre and a taste closer to mango than melon or pumpkin.It may be too tropical for you but worth a shot.Were the rest of the ID's ok?

Time: 19th April 2012 4:16pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Sure thing, would like to know about the rice paddy herb but I think I have the rest in and labelled properly.


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Mike says...
It is Limnophila chinensis var. aromatica and is a highly valued SE Asian herb that like wet soil or even a pond.It is used in bamboo dishes,soups and in a variety of ways that perhaps Mary T and Jujube could expand on.

Time: 19th April 2012 4:24pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Phil and Mike,
Rice paddy herb can be eaten raw in salad, as garnish in seafood soups. It has a lovely flavor. In Vietnamese cooking it is a must in sweet and sour soup, sawtooth coriander is another one.

Time: 19th April 2012 5:25pm

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Mike says...
Jujube I found 2 clumps of sawtooth coriander in the yard so they are still popping up.Does Cai trang cao mean pak choi?

Time: 19th April 2012 5:32pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Mike,

Good to hear that you still have some sawtooth coriander, please keep them for me.
Trang means white so cai trang mean white stalk pak choi and the green stalk is bok choi. I am very confused about these two vegies.

Time: 19th April 2012 6:19pm

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Mike says...
Thanks jujube I thought so.I cringe when I see seed packets with the names backwards.Bok choi is always green stemmed and they don't vary much in form.Pak choi is always white stemmed and there are many varieties and shapes.By my reckoning shang chiang and taisai are just types of pak choi but tatsoi and misome are different enough to be their own thing.Generally you'll only see 1 or 2 types of bok chois that look similar and 1 or 2 pak chois in the supermarkets.

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Speedy says...
Re.the 'different' names Bok choi/ pak choi...they're really the same name just spelled differently with roman alphabet.
The translation, as far as I know, just means 'white vegetable'
Pak, bok , bai are all various Romanized approximations of either Mandarin or Cantonese word for 'White'

and choi, choy, cai = vegetable

Chang or Chiang translates as green I believe.

also have to remember that when writing down these names in roman alphabet, it can only ever be an approxamation of the sound spoken in Mandarin or Cantonese.

some western ears may hear it as 'Pak',for example when others may hear 'Bok' and write it down as such.

what we know in Aust. as Pak choy, Bok choi are just different varieties of Brassica rapa var. chinensis.

the different spellings being applied the different vars. has only occured since they've been grown by westerners.

That's the way I see how they've come about.... I may be wrong though :-)
can anyone verify please?

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MaryT says...
You are right, Speedy. I am Chinese and I have long decided that someone non-Chinese have tied one of those knots that gets tighter the longer you tug at it so I've given up.

The Chinese green vegetable called 白菜 by the Cantonese literally means White Vegetable as you said, Speedy. There are a number of different romanisation of those characters which started the confusion. This vegetable originally refers to the green vegetable with fat white stems. The one with long green stems are called 菜心 (Choi Sum) by the Cantonese.

Using the latest official romanisation system, Pinyin, 白菜 (white vegetable) should be pronounced Bai Cai. Unfortunately Bai Cai to northern Chinese refers to the Chinese cabbage, what is referred to as Wong Bok here. You see, that's why I gave up.



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Mike says...
Speedy I am sure you are correct.I am just going by the naming conventions of chinese,japanese,thai and vietnamese seed companies in their translations to English.I have been also been told as much by a chinese person.The validity of latin names in botany for highly domesticated plants with multiple varieties is often limited beyond the genus level.

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Thank you very much Speedy and Mary T for the clearer information on those veggies.

Time: 21st April 2012 3:46pm

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Mike says...
Mary now I'm back to square one and choi sum and wong bok I would just call them something different.I think I need to send you and Lucy some seed packets.Do you have space for the chinese vegies? I have some eye-popping corn (not pop corn) also with chinese writing from hongdua and lianwen seeds.Do the words/names you zhi,gao chan and kang bing mean anything?

Time: 21st April 2012 4:15pm

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MaryT says...
you zhi probably refers to 有機 you ji － organic

gao chan would be 高產 － highly productive

kang bing would be 抗病 － disease resistant （or it may contain medicinal properties)

I don't have much space; that's why I like things that grows fast and easy and don't take much room. :)



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Mike says...
Thanks Mary it will be disease resistant rather than medicinal properties.

Time: 21st April 2012 4:51pm

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Speedy says...
Yes Mike,
I do agree that they have now been conventionally named as
Pak Choy = white stemmed , tall spoon shaped greens
Bok Choi= shorter, stouter vars. with white or green stems.
and to keep to that would avoid confusion.
I was just mentioning it to illustrate how meanings can be lost (or added to) in translation.
it seems that many of the asian veges haven't been given more specific (not in botanical sense) names like in western tradition (eg. 'Drumhead'or'Savoy'cabage ; 'Green Dragon' broccoli etc.)
with that rank of names the above confusion may (have been ) be avoided

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MaryT says...
Speedy those were the days when farmers were largely illiterate (still true to a certain extent in China), seeds were saved from the best of the crop and passed on instead of patented and sold.

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Linton says...
I am interested in growing some Finger Limes and would like to know which are the best types to grow in Melbourne. Anyone has experience in growing these and know if they can be groon in pots?

Time: 21st May 2012 2:13pm

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Freyr says...
Hi !

I am looking for seeds of any australian citrus ( finger lime, round lime etc ) or any hybrids.

Unfortunately I cannot buy plants, for I am in europe ( Austria ).

I can swap rare european seeds or will pay.

Best Regards !

freyr@live.at


Time: 22nd May 2012 6:52pm

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John Mc says...
Unfortunately mine are completely seedless, didn't find a single seed in my entire crop (100+ fruit). I'll keep you in mind if I do come across any.

Time: 22nd May 2012 7:23pm

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Freyr says...
Thanx for trying to help !

I guess they need cross polination to get seeds ...

Regards

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Jennyfurcat says...
Hi Freyr,

Finger Lime have very few seeds. My crop of fruit for this year has almost finished, but I will check for seeds and contact you if I find some.

Time: 28th May 2012 7:44am

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Jennyfurcat says...
Hi Freyr,

I have scraped the pulp from the last of my Finger Limes and will freeze it. I have found just a few viable looking seeds which I am happy to post to you.

My tree is 3-4 metres tall, and produces hundreds of fruit. They ripen for a month or so mid-April to mid-May.
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Freyr says...
Thanx a lot !

Please send me an email.

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Time: 1st June 2012 12:37pm

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Freyr says...
Does that pic show your tree ?

It is a wonderful plant !

Did you plant it or found it wild growing ?



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BJ says...
Freyr, there are lots on eBay at the moment - incl. dooja and inodora and seeds select varieties of FL, like collette and ricks red.

Time: 4th June 2012 10:15pm

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Freyr says...

Oh ?

Thanx for Info BJ !

Time: 7th June 2012 11:03am

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ivepeters says...
Bunnings cannon hill has the new CSIRO developed limes.

Look interesting.

Time: 7th June 2012 6:19pm

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Freyr says...
sure, but cannot buy plants ...

daleysfruits tells one can order bare root plants .. but I see no link or email to order or ask if they send to europe ...

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Db says...
Just wondering which finger lime variety is best - Collette or Rainforest Pearl?

How is Ricks Red compared to these two?

Time: 12th October 2012 2:10pm

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Linton says...
Finger Lime varieties.

I've read bad reports about the Rainforest Pearl which I believe is a hybrid cross with something else and they are not worth the money.

The main thing is to get a grafted one and all of the cultivars which Daleys have are very good. The only difference is in the skin colour and flesh colour. I got a Tasty Green from them which is supposed to be the best tasting, and I've ordered the Ricks Red and Yellow just to have some different colours.

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Db says...
Thanks Linton, I have ordered Collette and I was thinking if Rainforest pearl is worth getting along with Collette. After reading your post, I'll now just stick to Collette, I hope it's as per description.

Time: 12th October 2012 7:20pm

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M Nash says...
I bought a "BWP Citrus Secialists" pink from bunnings on trifoliata stock.
They came in green and red also.
Dont know it that is Rainforest Pearl but the plant is hardy and fruited straight away after planting out.
Hope I didnt get a lemon LOL.


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VF says...
Hey Db, I too have a Collette; it tastes rather good, with a good lime flavour and a nice Kaffir odour from the rind. Seems to flower at anytime so fruit at different stages present. Biggest problem is that slugs, caterpillars and katydids love the fruit too so a fair few lost, probably as my plant still small. I also have Rick's Red (have heard this is tasty too) and Sunshine yellow(unsure about flavour), and these have both just set fruit too so I can comment on flavour a bit later on (if critters leave me some). I've heard Rainforest Pearl has some muskiness in its flavour.

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Freyr says...
Hi !

If someone has any seeds of native australian citrus, then pass it to me please.

Best Regards !

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BJ says...
one thing everyone should ask when ordering finger lime trees is if they are grafted. They are all priced the same, so you would think that they are all grafted, but I was surprised one time when Daleys sent me a cutting grown finger lime. unless your garden is sandy soil or you plan to keep it in a pot, a cutting grown tree is inferior. in fact, they are always inferior. this is something that should be mentioned on the website, but isnt and is something everyone should check before ordering. I would personally only pay a smaller amount for a cutting grown finger lime.

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Brain says...
this reply is probably for Freyr ... who's interested in finger limes. The best idea I can come up with is

http://www.homecitrusgrowers.co.uk/AusNativeCitrus.html

This person is from UK and he's grown a few finger limes there, so being in Austria, it might be easier to get some seeds or cuttings from the UK as it's a shorter geographical distance.

I'm not sure if there are any nurseries willing to send from Australia to Austria, and the freight time of approx 2 weeks will surely not be good for the plant.

Alternatively, you can try to get some seeds on ebay. I don't know if this is a fact but finger lime seeds seems to do a little better than your average citrus seeds, where it needs to be moist to remain viable. From experience, I got 15 seeds and I don't know if they are fresh or how long it's been on a shelf, as they arrived dry as a bone. It took me another 5 days to plant it out (so at least 7-8 days) and the gemination rate is about 40%. So if you get 20 seeds, even at 10% gemination rate, you will end up with a plant or two. Also, gemination may take up to 3 months or more. After a month, I thought all mine are a goner and left it, and surprise surprise, with another 2 month of passing, some geminated. I suspect it needed the right conditions, i.e. I planted in late Autumn and come out in spring. Also, if you managed to geminate some, you really have to baby them. I lost a few to dry conditions and trunk/collar rot. :(

So the key is, get fresh seeds and get them send express and plant right away. Wait and hope!

Also of note, according to researchers, finger lime seeds is monoembryonic, meaning it is not true to type (of its parent).

Good luck.



Time: 1st December 2012 9:22am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I'd like to help as well but I grow a seedless variety called "Cheryl's Pink". Setting its first fruit this season.

Time: 1st December 2012 9:32am

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kegbrewer says...
This thread seems to have been quiet for a while so here goes... Planted my grafted Collette from Daleys 01Mar15 sunny position in the ground and NOTHING happened until a few days ago. Finally some new leaves and stems and a few tiny flowers. There was also a bit of a flourish at the bottom. Judging by the different leaf design it was from the root stock so got removed. Anyway, found a 11 page pdf from NSW Gov which is printable. Although it's directed at farming, there's much there that would explain forum questions from past years, especially from overseas.
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320272/growing-australian-native-finger-limes.pdf
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Time: 28th January 2016 2:53pm

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Peter91 says...
Hey Kegbrewer noticed you're from SA and pretty close, what types of finger limes are you growing? Also, what other fruits do you grow?

Time: 30th January 2016 6:09pm

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Kegbrewer says...
Hi Peter, did mention Collette and that's the only finger lime I have. The only other fruit tree is a ~30 year old Tahitian Lime which is still cropping very well. Tired of the bird battle with peaches and apricots so no longer have. See you have Red Tamarillo. Any finger limes yet?

Time: 1st February 2016 2:38pm

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Peter91 says...
Hey Keg, yeah my edibles page is actually completely incomplete, I needed it to do something on the website at some point, I think respond to a member with a unique plant.

I only have one finger lime so far, Rick's Red, but i'm very interested in a Collette though. How would you say yours is? Does it crop well etc?

Other things I grow are, Red and Orange Tamarillo's, Asimina Triloba seedling and grafted varieties, multiple types of Guavas, Hawaiian, Mexican Cream, Indian and Thai white, about 12 varieties of fig, 7 White Sapote varieties (my main interest), two Mangoes, Dwarf Irwin and Florigon, testing growing Papaya here, so far so good. Banana passionfruit, two blueberry plants a Dwarf Ambarella and Mamoncillo.

Also currently trying to propagate some dragon fruit cuttings, i'm more interested in the sub tropics fruit that have a chance to grow/fruit here well.

Time: 1st February 2016 6:31pm

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Brain says...
I also have a Collette and they are extremely slow to get established. But once settled, they do all right - albeit on the slower growth side.

Time: 1st February 2016 6:53pm

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kegbrewer says...
Hi Brain, thanks for the post, it backs up my Collette experience so far and what appears in the PDF I mentioned earlier. Had considered ditching it a month ago but am glad I didn't. "Slower growth" is NO exaggeration, haha.

Time: 4th February 2016 5:05pm

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Brain says...
Also note, it took about 3 years to flower, and I have these rice grained size fruit. Which sadly doesn't appear to want to get larger. Also, they prefer the shaded spot.

The finger limes are bit of a mix bag, have another 2 unknown varieties which seems to do ok in full sun, and putting out water sprouts.

Time: 5th February 2016 5:52pm

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kegbrewer says...
Hmmm, as I mentioned initially, mine had sprouted a few flowers rice grain size which I removed. I omitted to say there was one fruit hiding, obviously there a long time, dried hard, about 30mm long 5mm dia. Cut it and tried to eat but almost rock hard... Quoting the NSW Gov pdf "Trees are generally slow to establish and for the first 12 months after planting there is little sign of any growth" also "Grafted finger lime trees begin fruiting in year three but larger quantities of fruit are not normally obtained until year six" So I'm not holding my breath :-)

Time: 8th February 2016 4:16pm

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