Forbidden Fruits Cherimoya (forum)

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Hi

Could someone tell me about the Forbidden Fruits variety of cherimoya? How do they perform and taste wise how do they compare with other varieties? What sport is it from?

Thanks

Time: 30th October 2012 2:24am

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lenn says...
F.F. is ,how shall I say, a little uncertain . Don't buy the cherimoya unless independently verifiable

Time: 30th October 2012 9:07am

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BJ says...
After talking to Chester and a few other folks who are growing it, its apparent that it is a good option for the sub-tropics. It sets heavily in south east QLD and northern NSW. In Adelaide, you shouldnt have to find a variety that is suited to your climate as many should do well there and the proven spanish and californian varieties should work.

Time: 30th October 2012 9:21am

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Db says...
BJ, I was also thinking to get Forbidden Fruits Cheromoya, do you know how does it compare with White cherimoya?

Time: 30th October 2012 9:37am

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Ivan2 says...
Thanks guys. I already have Campa cherimoya (still young and no fruit yet)and wanted to try another cherimoya variety. I can get White cherimoya but have been told the White variety is bland and has lots of seeds so I wanted to look at other varieties.
Any other recommendations would be good.


Time: 30th October 2012 12:18pm

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Ivan2 says...
Thanks guys. I already have Campa cherimoya (still young and no fruit yet)and wanted to try another cherimoya variety. I can get White cherimoya but have been told the White variety is bland and has lots of seeds so I wanted to look at other varieties.
Any other recommendations would be good.


Time: 30th October 2012 12:18pm

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BJ says...
Db, its supposed to be better than white. White seems to fruit in the western suburbs pretty well though the horse keeps knocking the fruit off, so I can report on taste. Hopefully will get to taste FF the end of this season. To be perfectly honest though, I'd go with a Paxtons Prolific atemoya over a White cherimoya here.

Time: 30th October 2012 12:33pm

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lenn says...
May I ask where you obtained Campa? I don't think Adelaide is atemoya territory ;stick with cherimoyas.

Time: 30th October 2012 1:55pm

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Db says...
Thanks BJ, in that case I'll skip cherimoya for now, I'm already growing two PP, one in ground (flowering now) and one is pot but I'm planning to transfer it in ground soon... I also have Tropic Sun cust apple and it also has 3-4 flowers on new growth but I don't expect it to set fruit in this season...

Time: 30th October 2012 1:58pm

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Ivan2 says...
Lenn - I bought the Campas from Perrys.
Custard apples are easy to grow down here. I have a mature Gefner, AP and two young PPs (yet to fruit). I haven't tasted Cherimoyas yet so trying to grow a few trees myself.

If anyone know of a retail nursery where I can get the Tropic Sun custard apple please let me know.

Any other places for other types of Cherimoyas appreciated.

Time: 30th October 2012 2:09pm

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John Mc says...
The FF variety fruits prolifically here, north of Sydney. This tree is in it's third year from purchase.
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Time: 30th October 2012 2:29pm

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Ivan2 says...
John - So how do they taste compared to other varieties? Thanks.

Time: 30th October 2012 3:05pm

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John Mc says...
Would you believe this is it's first crop? I'll let you know when I try one, it shouldn't be too long now, they've endured winter well.
I now have a problem with pruning. It should have gone into and come out of it's brief dormancy like the other varieties, but it's still growing. I'm assuming I'll have to wait till most of the fruit has been picked before pruning, but it should be done before the new season shoots. Any suggestions as to the best time to prune?


Time: 30th October 2012 9:49pm

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Db says...
John, wow, thats amazing...is it self-pollinating or needs hand pollination?

Time: 30th October 2012 9:53pm

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Ivan says...
John those fruits looks like they are ready to pick.
I tend to prune my custard apples in early October. I still have a few fruits left but that does not deter me from pruning.

Time: 30th October 2012 10:56pm

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John Mc says...
I'm not sure if they are self pollinating, I hand pollinated every one.

Time: 30th October 2012 11:01pm

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John Mc says...
Ivan, all the leaves are still fully green, no sign of any abscission at all. Do you wait for the carpels to separate a touch before picking? Or do you just wait for a decent size?
I'm thinking, if I start pruning now, the tree isn't going to be able to provide nutrition to the fruit, unless it works like tomato vines, where the immediate leaves next to the fruit provide the nutrition to the adjacent fruit. . It's going to be a delicate balance between providing for the fruit and pruning before regrowth starts. All my other Cherimoya varieties have been pruned and have come out of dormancy and are throwing out fruit buds already. The fruit are obviously holding the tree back from it's brief dormancy.

Time: 30th October 2012 11:14pm

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terry says...
That's incredible, John Mc. (Literally)

Time: 31st October 2012 11:07am

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Ivan says...
Hi John Mc

Have you had the chance to pick and eat the forbidden fruit cherimoya yet? Curious as I have two of these trees, one is already is in the ground whilst one is potted. If the variety tastes good, I may plant the other in the ground as well.

Thanks

Time: 12th December 2012 1:40pm

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John Mc says...
Yes Ivan, very nice, well worth growing. They ripened very late compared to other Annonas I have. I pulled all the fruit over a couple of weeks and gave it a good prune. That pushed it into a brief dormancy before pushing out new growth.
I prune my Annonas back to within 200mm of the previous years pruning each year to keep the skeleton strong.


Time: 13th December 2012 7:09am

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Ivan says...
John Mc - Thanks for the update and the pruning tip. That is encouraging news. I also notice they are loose their leaves later compared to other annonas.

Cheers

Time: 13th December 2012 11:05am

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allybanana says...
On this advice and Chester's from ff nursurys, i got two ff cherimoya i am hopeing they will be good for here. I wonder if the late dormancy suggests good cold tolerance.Chester seemed to think they are self pollinating and the best in every way. I hope he is right.

Time: 25th September 2013 6:08am

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Tommoz says...
Forbidden Fruit cherimoya is definitely self-pollenising. I wonder whether it is a hybrid annona. The fruit looks somewhat different to regular cherimoya and ripens in summer, not winter like most cultivars.

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denise1 says...
Though most cherimoya trees are self pollenating, there are things you can do to ensure a great crop. At the flowering season, First snip off the ends of twigs including 2 or 3 leaves. Then break off about 3 to 5 leaves from the middle of what leaves are left on the stems. Many flowers will push out and can be hand pollenated. Do it when humidity is highest and that can be helped by watering under the tree. If you know of a tree that bears heavily without digital intervention, look around the flowers for the critter doing the service and take them to your tree. My tree has its flowers set by a tiny flower thrips that is almost invisible, and flicks itself from flower to flower munching pollen and spreading it while on the job. There is no apparent reason that it visits many flowers instead of one being sufficient, it seems that it has a sense of duty to set the fruit.

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Waterfall says...
Do you guys think I should let this cherimoya fruit this year or give it another year of growth?

Its been in the ground just over a year and did put out a bunch of flowers last year but nothing came of them, its about 1.5m tall.
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Time: 6th August 2015 9:08am

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denise1 says...
There will be little harm in allowing one fruit as it looks quite vigorous. You may need to paperbag the fruit to prevent sunburn if that is an issue in your area.

Time: 6th August 2015 9:22am

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allybanana says...
My FF cherimoya is going great guns I am letting the fruit ripen on the tree and the red one on the scales tasted great, a bit bruised were it hit the ground but thats okay.
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Linton says...
Hi Ally

Thats a fantastic result and the red one is a whopper! Did it have many seeds being a hybrid and did you you keep them for sowing? Since we can no longer obtain this FF Cherimoya do you think it could grow from cuttings? Cheers!

Time: 8th November 2016 7:39pm

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allybanana says...
Thanks linton

The fruit in pic is only mid size I got two over 1kg last year on FF, but one of the best things is the extended crop as the flowers set fruit all summer and into early Autumn in my location Eden. Check the photos for the imature fruit that will rippen through summer and I even had one fruit mid winter. I am not sure if they would go as well in colder winters as the fruit might be destroyed over winter and be unable to ripen the following spring summer.

I have had no sucess with cherimoya cuttings or layering for two years they appear to be stubborn when it comes to growing roots from stem tissue.

They graft resonably easily, happy to send scions as they still have leaves at this time of year. I just break off leaves, let them heal for a few days then wrap in lab paraffin they last a while out of the fridge before grafting. I keep the lab parafilm on through grafting and let the buds push through it.

I also grafted a few FF and Fino cherimoya onto seedlings this year happy to swap but the scion sprouts are still tender they need to harden first.

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Carl76 says...
Allybanana

Selling any of those grafted ff's ?

carl.davidson at optusnet dot com.au.

Time: 10th November 2016 7:56pm

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allybanana says...
Hi Carl 76 Unfortunately some of the grafts that looked healthy died and I only have one ff graft left which Linton has dibs on. I may try and graft some more ff onto seedlings soon I will let you know if I am successful.

Time: 22nd November 2016 8:55pm

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Carl76 says...
Thanks, hope all goes well.

Time: 23rd November 2016 7:50am

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