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I am keen to get a good canistel variety for my yard.I have tried alot of bad ones that are chalky with ordinary taste as well as a couple of very good ones with moister and thicker flesh.There seems to be a wide range of types.I have read about the good ones in Florida like fairchild and don't know the names of the best eating ones in Australia.

Time: 18th June 2011 4:18pm

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John Mc says...
Last year I bought a seedling variety of Canistel called Ross Sapote off Ebay. The guy claimed that if you don't like canistels you will definately like the Ross Sapote. It's still too small to fruit so I'm waiting in anticipation.
I also have a lindel and emma hoping they might fruit next year.



Time: 18th June 2011 6:12pm

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Mike says...
Funny you should say that John because I planted a marcotted Ross Sapote from Limberlost about 4 weeks ago.I have never tried them and don't know if they are like normal canistels. I have also not tried canistels I where I knew the name of the variety.The rounder fat ones from what I have seen are better than the big long ones and small types.
With Peters' help we probably identified the guava.

Time: 18th June 2011 6:23pm

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fruitist says...
Canistel, one rhomboidal shape, one oblate shape.
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Time: 19th June 2011 7:03am

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fruitist says...
I will let readers sort out which is which shape.
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Time: 19th June 2011 7:05am

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Mike says...
The rounder ones look like some of the best ones I have tried.Some have very clean,shiny and bright yellow skin.A lot of trees if seen are backyard ones grown from seed.I don't think I've seen them exactly like the long ones.In the markets in Chang Mai I bought egg sized ones with scuffed skin and they were dry and mealy and also lacked flavour.

Time: 19th June 2011 7:57am

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fruitist says...
Those round and not-so-round ones are very big, bigger than a palm. They come from Phillipines. Have you seen the Papaw shaped one attached below?
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Time: 19th June 2011 12:43pm

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fruitist says...
Forgot to ask: how big is the Ross Sapote fruit?

Time: 19th June 2011 12:44pm

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Mike says...
I haven't seen a canistel that shape before and it looks big.The ross sapote marcot is about 45cm and sending out its first new shoots.I saw an evaluation of quality from Florida that listed the fruit as only fair.I would have preferred a proper canistel but couldn't hold back when I saw it and I'll still acquire a canistel.

Time: 19th June 2011 1:55pm

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fruitist says...
About 5 to 6 inches long. I heard that Ross is quite small just bigger than ping pong size.

Time: 19th June 2011 1:59pm

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Mike says...
I'll find out in 2 or 3 years.There are conflicting descriptions of ross sapote.
That is a big canistel.Someone in Ingham reputedly had the best around and a contact at Mission might be able to get one for me but it is a longshot.

Time: 19th June 2011 2:05pm

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BJ says...
there is a Ross at Mt Cootha. Right along the fence line for the new tunnel! Lots of fruit. Smallish and fairly green. Looks more like a pumpkin than a canistel. Never tasted one though...

Time: 19th June 2011 2:34pm

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Dada says...
Hi,
In Regards to Canistel, In Florida they say that Fairchild2, Trompo and Oro are very good productive cultivars. I would be interested to exchange budwood with anyone interested with varieties from Australia like Gray, Aurea, Lyndall, Emma

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Mike says...
I actually prefer the moist fleshed types.The 7 names types by Dada are quite similar.
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Time: 21st October 2012 8:55am

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Mike says...
Some of the 4 seeded types are moist and sweet also.
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Time: 21st October 2012 8:57am

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Mike says...
The typical ones look good but are chalky.
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Time: 21st October 2012 8:59am

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Mike says...
Here is another tasty type that is round with moister flesh.This is not a Ross sapote.
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Time: 21st October 2012 9:01am

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VF says...
Yum, those pictured are my favourite - I could eat several out of hand. How long usually before a grafted variety starts bearing?

Time: 22nd October 2012 10:36am

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Mike says...
VF It is often less than 2 years and seedling fruit pretty early as well.The pix above were to show some of the local diversity of forms and to point out the named varieties are often the drier poorer eating ones.The larger pictured one in the fairchild,trompo etc style is the worst of that lot but looks the best.

Time: 22nd October 2012 10:56am

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trikus says...
just noticed lots of flowers on my 3 trees .. Mum has a grafted Aurea down in Childers , one of my trees is a seedling from it . One is a Ross ex Kerry Mac'
And have heaps of seedlings from selected moist fruits grown locally. I could eat them all day ...Eric has selected some very good ones K 1 is awesome ,, Mission Beachs Best ;-)


Time: 22nd October 2012 2:28pm

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VF says...
I'm drooling now Trikus! Hopefully, all fingers and toes crossed, in a couple of years I shall be enjoying some Lyndall and Emma and Ross (sounds a bit cannabalistic with those names, haha.)

Time: 22nd October 2012 7:59pm

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John Mc says...
The grafted cv's are very slow to do anything here, hardly put on a new leaf, where, in the same time, a seedling has grown to over 6ft, and flowered.

Time: 23rd October 2012 7:58am

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Dada says...
Hi Mike,
Those pictures look great. Could u send me some budwood? Pl contact me at dada.vidyananda@gmail.com. I can get you something interesting from South America like a Jaboticaba that bears from seed in 1 and a half years.

Time: 11th November 2012 4:16am

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Mike says...
Unfortunately those in the pix were given to me and not from my trees.I have only a ross and a supposedly elite new canistel that have not had fruit yet.
I already have a few jaboticabas and they are sabaras,some trashy old yellows and a M.santo santensis var. grimal in the ground.I have tiny seedlings of a red hybrid jab,cambuca and a vexator and a source of white jab and M.truncifolia so I am interested in anything else.I have good stuff to swap.

Time: 11th November 2012 7:01am

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Michael 61 says...
trikus /Tully . We live close to Childers, maybe we know your mum from the fruit club? I

Time: 11th May 2013 4:23pm

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trikus says...
Mum would be in the fruit club I am sure . Will ask Eric re. wood from his K1s
Did not go to todays field day as had to preside over garden Club meeting instead .

Fruit on a seedling all fell off , one I saved had split , was very dry flesh with a round shape .. was great in smoothy tho.

Time: 11th May 2013 7:54pm

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Michael 61 says...
Thanks for that. Have you had a chance to taste Eric

Time: 12th May 2013 1:03pm

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trikus says...
Erics K1's are superb , smooth and just moist enough . I am very dubious about the whole 'Ross' sapote thing .
Kerry Macevoy is a local lady who has collected a heap of stuff and sells lots of seedlings .

Time: 12th May 2013 2:07pm

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Mike says...
I have a K1 that has not yet fruited and I hope it is as good as the best local ones I have tried.Ross is not really P.campechiana and had distinctive seeds in the lucuma style.Ross is better than canistels.
Feast your eyes on a giant ross which is quite different from a round canistel.
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Time: 12th May 2013 3:37pm

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MaryT says...
That looks yummy, Mike. I only have a one hour 20 minutes transit in Cairns on Tuesday and need to clear immigration for PNG or I would come and raid your place :)

Time: 12th May 2013 4:10pm

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Mike says...
Mary it looks like I have been snookered by work duties on Tuesday that I can't dodge. A flying visit may have been possible otherwise. Sorry for not being available.

Time: 12th May 2013 4:21pm

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MaryT says...
Mike I don't think I would have time to get out of the airport anyway. Another time. :)

Time: 12th May 2013 4:44pm

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Michael 61 says...
Are all the Ross fruit of that tree that size? They look like small rock-melon, but Ross is also fat in shape. Taste ok ?

Time: 12th May 2013 10:32pm

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Michael 61 says...
When is the best time for grafting onto canistel? -Spring?

Time: 12th May 2013 10:36pm

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Jenny says...
I bought a Ross Sapote seedling online but I think that what I received was actually a Black Sapote. Its new shoot and leaves are nothing like the seedling canistel I already have. Can anyone advise please?
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Time: 8th September 2013 6:54pm

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John Mc says...
Certainly looks like a black sapote. I bought a Ross Sapote off EBay a few years ago as well. Not having a lot of confidence of it turning out to be the real thing. Actually, not everything I buy off EBay is as advertised.

Time: 8th September 2013 7:58pm

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Mike says...
I took this picture of ross sapotes in my yard today and they ended up on the ground ripe.This small variety of ross is not like some strains.The second shot is another type of ross with some mangoes.
The tree looks to be a black Jenny and there is a lot of BS online.I am not totally sure.
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Time: 8th September 2013 8:07pm

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Jenny says...
well it was not actually off Ebay but a supposedly reputable online nursery. I have emailed them with the same photos and got a dismissive response. I trust you guys but maybe my next step would be to take it to a couple of nearby nurseries such as Templex/Turners who do a lot of fruit trees and see if they agree with the id, then get back to these people. I wouldn't be so upset with an Ebay purchase because I never expect TOO much from those transactions and don't buy a lot on Ebay anyway.
thanks John Mc & Mike.

Time: 8th September 2013 8:19pm

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dada says...
Hi Mike,
I am interested in this K1 variety. Could you send me an email separately maybe there is something I have that interests you and we could trade.
my email is dada.vidyananda@gmail.com
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Time: 28th September 2013 3:17am

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dada says...
Hi Mike,
Sounds great, lets do it I have Junglesop, Cola cauliflora, Cola lep., Cola pachy. Monodora angolensis, Tetracarpidium conophorum (Walnut)
Thaumatococcus danielli


Xylopia aethicopicta
Give me your email and we talk more,
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Mike says...
dada I got a batch of Annonidium seed last year or was it the year before.The Brazilians would do cartwheels over them and you could pull down big game of the seed world with them and swap for Platonia, top capuassu. blue jaboticabas, carocars and species of that calibre.Junglesop have enough trade muscle to also get the best Artocarpus,durians or pulasans.

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denise1 says...
There is a "aurea" canistel at Mt. coot-tha if anyone wants scions. Beautiful quality fruit but as with most canistel it needs something else added to tone the strong taste and make it palatable.

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trikus says...
Local very old tree has bounced back from 2 cyclones ..owners have no idea of cv. name .... but do not like the fruit .. I do so got a heap recently . moist flesh and great flavour .
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Think these are Aurea , big tree next door to friends from above post , massive fruit was a one off and it had 4 seeds , others only 1 .. not to dry . and a massive 800 gms !

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Hi Dada,

Do you still have the Thaumatococcus Daniellii? I would love to have this. Thanks

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