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Does anyone know when Grumichama and likely to fruit. The pic is from when it was first planted. It is now 1.5m tall and around 2 yrs old but showing no signs as yet
thanks Diane
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Time: 21st June 2007 2:08pm

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Helen says...
I've grown grumichamas from seed which gave their first fruit at 5 years. The first fruit were disappointing, but from 7 years on, the fruit is excellent.One seedling changed, and instead of deep purple/black fruit it gives yellow fruit which taste like caramel. I'm not sure which I prefer, they're both delicious.

Time: 21st June 2007 2:27pm

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Bazza says...
Dear Diane/Helen,
My Grumachama (Black) first fruited after four & a half years.The Yellow Grumachama Helen refers to is Grumachama (White) which i have Fruited once where the fruit is quite larger than the "Black".

Time: 25th June 2007 3:12pm

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Diane says...
Thanks Helen and Bazza,
I'm not sure if my tree is a seedling or not. It was purchased from a nursery with stock from Daleys. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks again for your replies. rgds Diane

Time: 29th June 2007 7:41am

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Kath says...
Diane, all our grumichamas are grown from seed, they can fruit in as little as three years if given ideal conditions but 4-5 is more likely. They are well worth the wait, they fruit in spring around October/November.

Time: 29th June 2007 10:53am

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lance says...
i have a grumichama tree four years old this year it flowered for the first time but no fruit set .does it need to be hand pollinated

Time: 8th October 2007 11:21am

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Kath says...
They are self pollinating and should set for you in time.

Time: 8th October 2007 3:06pm

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lance says...
thankyou Kath I shall just have to wait untill next flowering Lance

Time: 9th October 2007 7:58am

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Kathryn says...
I've grown grumichamas from seed which gave their first fruit at 3/5 years. I bought my first seedling plant some years ago. I have 2 more trees which I grew from seed from the original plant in the back yard at work and have given many away plus 6 I planted from seed in late 2004 at home. They are fruiting profusely this year. Expect fruit October/November in our area.
If you want a taste & seeds contact me & we can arrange a visit to my work place on Buderim.


Time: 4th November 2007 10:21am

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Kathryn says...
My trees have now finished fruiting for this year. We had a bumper crop this year. Love em!!!Delicious!!

Time: 8th November 2007 2:45pm

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angie says...
We have two of these fabulous plants. Both fruited after five years growing and each Christmas we have an abundance of gorgeous black fruit. Persevere. It's worth it.

Time: 4th November 2008 4:39pm

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peter says...
angie,
what climate are you in.
are your plants in the ground
or pots.
how big were they after five years
of growing.
how much water do you give them.
thanks.


Time: 4th November 2008 7:27pm

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angie says...
Peter,
We are on the mid north coast. Our plants are in the ground not particularly good soil, in fact a lot of clay. We do manure twice yearly and ensure they have sufficient moisture. For the most part, they are left alone.

Time: 5th November 2008 6:28am

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anon says...
Blue Mts . Grumichama none . Waited 12 years. First flowers this year! Sad story .

Time: 5th November 2008 11:40am

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fruitist says...
Anyone has seeds of Yellow Grumichama to give away or swap? My Black one just set fruits this year. Fruits not quite ripe yet.

Time: 5th November 2008 7:47pm

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trikus says...
I bought a Yellow Grumichama seedling from a tablelands grower , and it is very different looking to the typical black . A much more pendulous habit . It seems to be growing well now after a slow start .
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Time: 6th November 2008 11:27am

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Anonymous says...
Your Yellow Grumichama look very much like a Cabeluda aka Yellow Jaboticaba. Cabeluda has furs on the underside of leaves. It is furry to the touch. The tips of branches are also furry. When leaves drop on the ground, do they curl up into brown sticks?

Time: 6th November 2008 12:06pm

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fruitist says...
The last post was mine. Grumichama has different leaf form and color. Also the tree is erect. Your tree definitely looks like a Cabeluda.

Time: 6th November 2008 12:32pm

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trikus says...
Thanks for that , my poor memory , yes ..
I have heard of yellow Grumichuma though .
Maybe alba form of fruit ? The nut grass hides any dropped leaves .. hoping to shade it out with fruit trees , but its taking to long .

Time: 8th November 2008 12:15pm

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gurujim says...
I've had one in the ground for six years now. Flowered prolifically for the last three years, but the fruit won't set: It's just finished dropping its petals for the third time, and most of the flowers have completely gone. I have my fingers crossed that a couple may stay on and develop, but I'm not hopeful.
I don't think it's a water issue...so I might have to look at nutrition, though the shrub itself seems healthy.

Time: 13th December 2008 5:17pm

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Steve says...
I planted one yellow & one black Grumichama in August '07 & the black first cropped about one year later.
The yellow one hasn't as yet & is slower growing.
The black crops several times a year but as it's young, not too many fruit, but they taste fantastic.
I prefer them to the Bazilian Cherry.

Time: 5th January 2009 9:21pm

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gurujim says...
Well, I DID have had success with the Grumichama - a yellow one - at last. Had about thirty very sweet and tasty fruit - managed to get them before the silver-eyes found them too!! Too bad I forgot to take piccies. I did notice that the fruit had the usual
I guess I should plant a black variety too, now that I know things are OK.

Time: 21st January 2009 1:49pm

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Michael McLean says...
Would you be kind enough to send me some seeds. I had one plant that died after a long drought last year.

Time: 19th February 2009 3:51am

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Julie says...
I would love some seeds too, anyone who has them. Will pay whatever the postage costs are. I'm in WA.

Can you let me know: email julwood at iprimus dot com au

Thanks so much

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Time: 22nd February 2009 7:24pm

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Gail says...
A lot of hard to grow things grow around here.I would like to try Grumichamas both Black & Yellow.Is it better to grow from seed or get an already growing plant about 2yrs ? If anyone has seeds of these I would be happy to pay postage.And/Or purchase a plant.We are no spring chickens & would like to successfully grow these while we are still able to enjoy them
Regards Gail

Time: 23rd February 2009 2:05pm

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Steve says...
My black Grumichamas is currently fruiting.
I was mowing yesterday & noticed big juicy fuit ready to pick.
It produces several crops per year, but I've never taken any notice when it was previously, but will take note from now on.
No fuit as yet on the yellow one.

Time: 20th March 2009 4:10pm

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Julie says...
Hi Steve, I'd love a few seeds when they do fruit. I have already asked on this forum for seeds, but no response. I am willing to pay for them.

Time: 22nd March 2009 5:46pm

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Steve says...
No problem Julie, I'll send them for no charge - contact me at i_donquixote@hotmail.com


Time: 7th April 2009 6:33pm

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Michael Mclean says...
I could do with some seeds too, please.

Time: 9th April 2009 4:13am

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Julie says...
Thanks Steve, I have sent you an email.

Time: 9th April 2009 9:12pm

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Steve says...
Michael - is it okay to post seeds to the USA? In Oz we have strict import & quarantine laws regarding seeds & plants that may have pests & diseases to protect our agriculture.
Have you tried http://www.rarefruit.com? Surely someone in your own country could give you some seeds.

Time: 6th May 2009 10:48pm

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Dave says...
gurujim,could I email you re yellow Grumichama please?
david_lambert70@hotmail.com

Time: 17th May 2009 7:28pm

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Cathie says...
I have just recently bought two plants, one being approx a metre tall and the other only about 30cm. Can you tell me how big they grow and would they take full sun in this hot climate. Trying to work out where to plant them. Many thanks.


Time: 18th November 2009 4:53pm

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Cando says...
Of all my fruit trees it is the first to wilt in hot, dry conditions. Do they prefer part shade? Flowered for the first time this spring.

Time: 26th November 2009 4:13pm

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Cando ...i actually find them really hardy and quite tolerant of hot weather. Like most tropcial fruit the do like a bit of shade when your but for them to fruit well give them full sun and keep the water up.

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Time: 26th November 2009 4:35pm

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amanda says...
Can Grumichamas be grown from cuttings at all? I just ate my one and only fruit from an advanced tree I planted this winter - it was really good - one was an awful tease! I planted the seed - do they grow true to type? Thanks in advance for any help :)

Time: 26th December 2009 2:51pm

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amanda says...
Hey Happy Earth! Was in the Q for the post office the other day and picked up a gardening mag 2 browse (Good life or something?) and there was u and your partner and your beaut garden!!! Well done guys.

Time: 3rd January 2010 2:45am

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HappyEarth says...
THanks Amanda ... i thought it was a really nice presented article. They did a good job with the layout of the photos :)

I think Grumichamas are mainly grown from seed as they come true to type.
Glad you like the fruit :)

Time: 3rd January 2010 8:41am

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amanda says...
Hey HappyEarth + any grumichama growers...do you know if thee guys have a high calcium requirement at all?
The pics show this dead tip + funny puckering of the young leaves and the only thing I could find that matched was the pic of th strawberry leaves (out of a book) that was for calcium deficiency?
The other shot is of some recent new normal growth. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Time: 26th January 2010 8:22pm

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Maculata Grove says...
Hi Amanda
I have also been having some leaf die back issues with a couple of different grumichamas on my property. Did you get a response to your question? If I am not mistaken, WA soils can be on the higher pH side of things, thus this could be a issue. My soils are generally around a pH of 5.5 which is modified with Greenstone crusher dust and aged horse and cow manure.
Anyway I would love to hear back if people have had similar issues with grumichama leaves.

Time: 17th September 2010 9:37am

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amanda says...
Hi Maculata Grove. It's kind of sorted...one batch of plants has a chimera and there is no cure for them. The other two are from a different supplier and doing well now (one is in the pics above) The problem above was due to a complicated situation - but basically was a boron deficieny - which can affect calcium uptake/mobility also.

I now use a liquid trace element and liquid gypsum, thru' my fertigation system and they are great. My soil is neutral pH.

I have quite high levels of sodium and chloride in our tap water and we live right on the coast - so tip and margin burning is a constant problem on my salt sensitive plants - but the grumichama is more tolerant than, say, the mangoes and custard apples.

Where did u get your plants? Can u post a pic?

This is a pic of one of mine that has the chimera.
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Time: 17th September 2010 12:51pm

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Brendan says...
Hi Amanda,
To me, your grumichamas are lacking phosphorus.
Burnt leaf tips on NEW GROWTH was the giveaway :-)

Time: 19th September 2010 7:50am

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amanda says...
Hi Brendan - sorry mate but this one has been diagnosed by the Pest and Disease people in Perth Agriculture Dept (I sent leaves to them)...

Time: 19th September 2010 11:27am

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Wayne says...
And what did they have to say Amanda?

Time: 19th September 2010 2:20pm

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amanda says...
As above - it's caused by a chimera (a genetic abnormalty that prevents correct chlorophyll production - the stuff that makes the leaves green and be able to photosynthesise)

The two plants I have from Birdwood nursery are beautiful and healthy - but I have 5 from another supplier - all purchased together at same age and all have the chimera :-(

The two from Birdwood had a small edge burning problem as discussed way above - this has been sorted thru boron/trace element application and also the gypsum. Not a phos problem - I give the trees superphos every autumn.

Time: 19th September 2010 4:52pm

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Wayne says...
So I guess their solution was to pull the plants and dispose of them, bad luck there

Time: 19th September 2010 5:26pm

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amanda says...
Yea..it's not contagious - but they are dying a natural death a time goes on. This is no place for the weaklings.

Time: 20th September 2010 12:00am

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Brendan says...
Hi Amanda,
If your trees are going to die, why not try some phosphorus fertilizer around them, and water it in?
You've got nothing to lose :-)

Time: 21st September 2010 6:49am

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amanda says...
Ok Brendan - just for u I will :) although - these guys do get a constant low supply of N and P from the Biolytix system reticulating under the soil....
I'll let u know how it goes.

Time: 21st September 2010 9:25am

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Brendan says...
Hi Amanda,
I would use (dare I say it around here), some superphosphate. Handful to the sq metre around the trees.

That could shock them back to life :-)

Time: 22nd September 2010 5:34am

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amanda says...
Ok Brendan - I will give one plant some and leave the other as a "control". U can say superphosphate ;-).... I have had to use it - mainly when I loaded up my sand with tonnes of clay when I prepared my orchard, and also because this was virgin soil.

Time: 22nd September 2010 9:46am

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BJ says...
I picked up a big plant from the rural store a few months ago. I put it in the ground 2 weeks ago and all of a sudden there are hundreds of flower buds all over it! Hope I can keep a few on to maturity!

Time: 24th September 2010 10:51pm

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lou says...
can you reccomend a rural store in the area?

Time: 3rd October 2010 6:24pm

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Mike says...
You can buy them from the nursery at Brookfield.

Time: 11th October 2010 9:08pm

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BJ says...
I picked mine up from the 'rural store' just past Samford, on the way to the mountains.

I put mine in the groud with plenty of manure to give it a good start. It produced hundreds of flower buds, but promptly threw all but a few before even opening, in favour of lots of new growth...

Time: 12th October 2010 1:57pm

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amanda says...
Hi, does anyone know where to go for the yellow/white grumichama seeds at all? Does the seed have be to sown fresh?

I just picked (and ate!) a dozen blacks off my tree and I thought they were beautiful :) The flavour of the skin may be a bit intense for some - but the insides pop out easily. It reminded me a little of mangosteen actually - very sweet (they would also make a lovely paste to have with cheese etc)

I washed the seeds as clean as I could and then planted them straight away? Was this right? Many thanks.

Time: 17th November 2010 1:19pm

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qmosa says...
I'm fascinated by the description of the Grumichama. Does anybody have any in Melbourne area? Will they survive here? We do not have snow in our area but winter temperatures do get down to zero very occasionally.
Any feedback is appreciated, Thank You!

Time: 22nd January 2012 11:49am

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Linton says...
Hi qmosa. I'm growing a Grumichama in Noble Park which I got from Gardenworld a couple of years ago but they don't have any at the moment.

It's no problem to grow here, doesn't need any looking after, but very slow to grow, maybe because I put it in the nature strip and never watered it. But thinking about bringing it into the garden with some water so it might speed up. I want to get a few more as well, they look like a nice plant.

Time: 15th February 2012 3:20am

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Gus says...
I live in Perth and mine are very slow growing too.
I think that is just they way it is with them
I know it is an old post Amanda, but did you have any luck with the phosphate?
I also have a tree with dead and yellowing leaves.

Time: 15th February 2012 11:30am

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amanda says...
Hi Gus...no - all 5 of these plants slowly died :-( I have two I got in Perth and they are lovely and healthy.

Can u post a pic of your plant?

They do grow a little on the slow side don't they...

Time: 15th February 2012 4:40pm

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Gus says...
Just trying to upload pics Amanda.

my computer is a little slow

Time: 15th February 2012 10:17pm

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Gus says...
Ok, heres a start

Time: 15th February 2012 10:22pm

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Gus says...
Maybe not, Too many downloads and now I am running slow and cant seem to download pics
I will try later

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qmosa says...
Thank you Linton,
I've been meaning to check out Gardenworld anyway, now I have an excuse :) Thanks for your feedback, keep me posted if you do move it to better irrigation.

Time: 21st February 2012 4:38pm

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gus says...
Yay, my grumichama are flowering for the first time ever.
Got a bit knocked around by the wind yesterday though.

Time: 18th September 2012 5:52pm

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amanda says...
Nice one gus! I am now in Bunbury (Leschenault) with most of my plants (plus a few extra after visiting Wandilla and Tas1) I was just watering my Grumi's yesterday and wondering when I would see some action at last...

Won't be far behind you now :)


Time: 18th September 2012 11:07pm

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Linton says...
Hi qmosa

I got another Grumichama a few months ago off the internet. It was a different colour so now I have both the black and the yellow fruit types.

I dug up the one from the nature strip and put them both in pots under the verandah for winter and they seem to be thriving.

The nursery in Police Road has some fairly large Grumichamas at the moment but they wouldn't be cheap. Cheers.

Time: 19th September 2012 11:26am

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gus says...
Hey Amanda, you finally made the big move eh? By the sounds of it bunbury is a little more hospitable than sunny gero.

I was very surprised to see flowers on both my grum trees. Both are pretty small and kind of unlikely looking. I have been lucky with my black sapote too. tiny tree that seemed to love being plucked from the ground and popped in a pot. It has grown about 5 big fruit that have been dangling there for eternity. After about 8 months or so they still seem under ripe and hard.

Time: 19th September 2012 11:27pm

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Mike says...
At someone had a moving experience in the west.Good luck Amanda and at least you won't have to water as much in winter.

Time: 20th September 2012 7:53am

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amanda says...
Thanks guys :) Yes - it's lovely down here..Leschenault is really pretty and with all the big trees it's so great to be out of the wind at last! Had lots of rain since we have been here (well - lots compared with Geraldton anyway!) and I am over the moon!

It gets cold at night - next winter should be interesting to see how the trees go...
Have had plenty of nights down to 3oC and a 1oC too...they have been excellent - condsidering that they have come from a shade house in warmer Gero and just been stuck out in the open...?

A tiny little bit of cold-discolour on the leaves of the kwai muk, jackfruit and one sapodilla - I am hoping that being right next to the Inlet and having big trees here might keep the worst of the cold at bay..

My biggest challenge is the all tree roots in the ground now...need raised vege garden beds lined with geotextile weed barrier fabric.
The fruit trees will jsut have to compete I think!

Still have water repellant sand but at least it's brown this time ;-) Have starting adding Calcium Bentonite...it's working great but it's very alkaline...? not sure what happens with that now...

Anyway - things a lot slower down here - even my pomegranates are only just waking up... :)



Time: 20th September 2012 9:41am

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snottiegobble says...
Im looking forward to meeting you all & getting my grumi from you on Sat. Amanda!
These trees obviously dont need nursing by the looks of it?
For those in SW WA, FAIR HARVEST permaculture farm is holding another Swap, Shuffle, & Share meeting Saturday morn.
Its at Margaret River down Carters Rd. Always a great day with lots of seeds, vegies,herbs fruit & plants to exchange!
See you there!!

Time: 20th September 2012 12:28pm

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Gus says...
Hey Amanda, I think that you were also chasing cherry of the rio grande. I have managed to source a couple of seeds although they are really not sprouting very well. Hopefully if I can get them growing I will one day have a cutting for you.

Time: 20th September 2012 6:30pm

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amanda says...
Hey Gus...that's cool :) you get them going and then let me know how they taste first!? SG - finally saw your namesake plant out in the Forest here! lol...what a funny story behind the seeds...

I am a bit sceptical of some of these sub tropical fruits now...? I can't feed my family on novelty value and it's too much hard work and expense anyway.

I think the Grumichama is about as novelty as I am prepared to go these days...and even then - it's seed is too big :-( But the flesh is so lovely (to me) that I am happy to keep them.

I am slowly gathering the stuff I think are worth it...

What do others think are actually worth the effort (sub tropicals) in slightly more marginal climates I wonder...?



Time: 20th September 2012 8:54pm

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Gus says...
I picture you living on a huge property with enough space for all sorts of trees.

I kind of agree with you, but I also like the idea of enhancing my diet of "run of the mill" fruit like apples, oranges and bananas with a range of fruit that you will never be able to buy. Who knows what kind of cool vitamins or health propeties linger within.
If I were you I think you should hold onto your feijoa, or get some named variety. They will love Leschenault!

Time: 21st September 2012 9:15am

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda, you have to try some avocado trees.
I'd start with a Hass & Edranol :-)

Time: 21st September 2012 9:44am

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BJ says...
If you have the space, White Sapote is worth the room - productive, large and enjoyable. Start with a Golden Globe and graft others onto it for a smaller tree that will cross pollinate and give tons of fruit.

Duo planting an A & B avo as Brendan has suggested would also be well worth the space.

Time: 21st September 2012 10:17am

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Linton says...
The problem with White Sapote.

I believe that the White Sapote is quite a large tree. Mine has grown about 30 feet high in about 5 years. The young branches are brittle and tend to break off in the wind so there are none left on the lower trunk. Consequently the remaining branches are too high to reach if they produce any fruit so I would never be able to pick them.

So what I did a few weeks ago was to cut two thirds of the tree off, so now it is like a bare post about 10 feet high, and I'm wondering if any new branches will sprout from the trunk.

Therefore I wouldn't recommend White Sapote unless someone has invented a dwarf type.

Time: 21st September 2012 7:53pm

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snottiegobble says...
Linton, I heard that the seedlings grow a lot taller than those propagated by cuttings!

Time: 21st September 2012 11:36pm

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Linton says...
White Sapote.

Thanks for the tip. There seems to be some new shoots coming so I'll try taking cuttings off these and start all over again. Cheers!

Time: 22nd September 2012 8:16am

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amanda says...
The Lemon Golds are a smaller type Linton - I already have two to plant down here BJ! Love em! My two up north were easy to keep smaller - you can take out the central leader...? see below also Linton..

I have heard Edranol avo good Brendan? If it goes with Hass than I may have to find myself one! U can not have enuf' avos..?! :)

I have got 3 types of sapodilla, loquats (graft and seedling), 3 types of grafted starfruit, 1 tamarillo (thanks SG!) jaboticaba (4), pomegranates (wonderful and molle-something), 1 hass avo, white sapote (2 lemon golds), afourer mandarin, green gage and coe's golden drop plums (wishful - but fingers crossed for enuf' chill) mangoe (R2E2 and Tommy atkins) 1 Kwai Muk, 1 jackfruit (galaxy), 1 banana passionfruit, 2 sunshine special p/fruit, 1 longon, 4 grumichama, blueberries (5 types) wampee (2 guy sam) and lychee (1 bosworth3)

I only have 1 kwai muk - I am told it would be better to have two..? I have planted it next to the Jackfruit - do u think they could help each out or not..?

Do lychees and longons do better with a friend too?

Linton - my white sapotes put up with extreme winds on our last property...they are a bugger of a tree to prune - but if you can shorten the whippy growth it helps - but also they form some bad branch unions too...mine had 5 branches coming out of pretty much the same place on the trunk...this is not so good.
Having said that - they were never "loaded" with fruit...so I can't say how they would have gone under the weight of lots of fruit...


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VF says...
Hi Amanda, thought you might find this site helpful http://naturalhub.com/grow_fruit_and_nuts_in_warm_temperate_areas.htm , but sounds like you have a good start. All the best for your new beginings!

Time: 22nd September 2012 10:48pm

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Linton says...
Lemon Gold White Sapote

The Lemon Gold sounds good but where to get them? Daley's shop doesn't even have them in production yet. Thanks.

Time: 23rd September 2012 11:19am

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VF says...
Linton, try at Forbidden Fruit - it's one of the 3 varieties they sell.

Time: 23rd September 2012 11:40am

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Grant says...
Linton, i bought a lemon gold last week at F Fruits and they still bad 6 or so. Good luck

Time: 23rd September 2012 9:05pm

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amanda says...
Grant - what do u mean by "they still bad 6 or so"...?

If u mean 6/10 by taste - thats crap :)


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peter 1000 says...
hi amanda,
i had to read it twice, but i think
the bad should have read (had)

Time: 23rd September 2012 11:13pm

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Grant says...
Yeah sorry the "bad" was a typo, should have been had. Iphone typing!

Time: 25th September 2012 1:51pm

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amanda says...
ahh :D I take that back then...

Time: 25th September 2012 9:08pm

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Linton says...
Hi Amanda

Can you tell me where you got your Lemon Gold White Sapotes. I can't find them anywhere over here. No luck with Forbidden either. Thanks.

Time: 26th September 2012 7:53am

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amanda says...
Mine are from a nursery called Tas1 trees in Perth...they are usually ex-Daleys plants..?
(so ordered across from over East anyway..)

My recent ones are Birdwood ones I think - but they may be wholsalers only. If there is interest then a local nusery may order them in for you..?
Otherwise try Daleys direct...

Time: 26th September 2012 4:23pm

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Linton says...
Still looking for Lemon Gold White Sapote.

Sorry but Daleys nursery don't have any. They're still seeking propagating material so it will be a long time before they have any stock. So I might have to try to get one from another nursery even if they got them from Daley's originally.



Time: 26th September 2012 6:32pm

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Grant says...
Unlucky with Forbidden Fruits, they must have had a run on them, i rummaged through at least half a dozen of them around 1 & 1/2 weeks ago. only had 1 Reineke in stock

Time: 26th September 2012 7:21pm

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Grant says...
Back to the Grum's tho, my bush has been in for 2 years and has set its first 5 fruit, haven't tried them yet the expectations are up there.

Time: 26th September 2012 7:26pm

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Linton says...
Lemon Gold White Sapote

I tried the other 2 places you mentioned, but they don't send. Don't know where else to look now so it seems like the Lemon Gold might have become an extinct species!

Time: 4th October 2012 1:53pm

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peter 1000 says...
hi linton,
if you have or can get a seedling
i can send you some scion wood
from my lemon gold.

Time: 4th October 2012 8:43pm

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Linton says...
White Sapote - Lemon Gold

Hi Peter
thanks for your offer, it seems the way to go. I just need to get a good seedling going and I'll let you know when I'm ready. Thanks!

Time: 5th October 2012 11:19am

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Jenny says...
Hey linton might be worth trying forbidden fruits again after today - they had some lemon golds at the bogi fair today maybe will have some left

Time: 7th October 2012 1:41pm

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Linton says...
White Sapote - Lemon Gold

There's something wrong about Forbidden Fruits as they don't answer my mails when I try to order from them. I thought they should have some of the Lemon Golds as they are on their price list but no response when I try to order. Maybe they don't like to send.

Time: 7th October 2012 6:29pm

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amanda says...
My grumichama only set a few fruit the first time too Grant..hope u are pleased with them...I think they are good - just a shame they aren't bigger - or seedless ;-)
I live in hope that someone will breed a freak seedling that gives a better fruit to seed ratio...
I have grown a few seedlings myself - who knows!? :D
My grumis are only just waking up here - but in Perth they have just started flowering.

Time: 8th October 2012 10:35am

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Grant says...
Hi Amanda, one has just started turning red, do u think they should be protected from birds etc as they get close to ripening.

Time: 8th October 2012 3:07pm

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MaryT says...
I've given mine notice: out it goes if it does not flower/fruit this year.
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amanda says...
I don't know Grant - I guess so? Mine were in a shade house so I didn't have to worry....

Birds do seem like pecking at red berry-type fruit tho don't they?! They attacked my acerolas and grapes lots :-(

How old is your plant MaryT? They do take at least 4yrs it seems (and maybe another couple to get into the swing of things..?)

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MaryT says...
4 to 6 years Amanda? I wish I knew this before I bought it! Sigh. If only I have more room... too late I read that it's a big tree and as you said slow to grow and fruit. Proportion of flesh is low so I think it has to go. I've been harvesting figs and guavas and citrus aplenty so there are obviously some things that suit this part of the world and this tiny place more than a Grumichama.

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denise1 says...
The grumichama is very prolific when it gets going. Worth the wait.At the 2nd or 3rd crop the flavour sweetens to make them quite good. You could find the quality is good from the first crop as some have reported. The tree looks nice too. Perhaps you could do some thinning to keep it to a reasonable size of about 2m or more.

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gus says...
My first grumichama fruit have started to colour up, but I am surprised to see how small they are. I thought they would be the size of a guava, but they are closer to the size of a grape.

Time: 24th November 2012 5:05pm

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peter 1000 says...
your going to get another surprise when you see the size of the seed inside it.

Time: 24th November 2012 7:52pm

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lenn says...
Yup, It's over-rated ; cherry replacement ho-ho!

Time: 25th November 2012 3:20pm

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MaryT says...
Mine's GONE. It's not a bad looking plant but I want fruit that satisfy hunger and I have little room.

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BJ says...
If it doesnt get water it will give fruits the size of a lima bean, if watered they will give fruits the size of a very large cherry. My first crop in early spring is small and often has these small fruit as its the dry season here, the next crop (in about 2 weeks) has tons more fruit and most are quite large, and taste is good, the third crop later in summer gives plenty of very large fruit, but as its the rainy season the flavour can be a bit washed out. The fourth crop (mid autumn) is patchy and probably shouldnt even happen, but I still get a few okay fruits to break up the annona dominance at that time of year. You need to leave them on until they are very ripe for good flavour. They may get stung by this stage, but if you eat them whole you wont see the worms... I keep mine at 1.5m for the past 4years and cant see why I couldnt keep it that way almost indefinately.

Its a decent 'substitute' for cherries in the sub-tropics, but no replacement. Other 'substitutes' would include Cape Plums, select thornless Governor's Plums, Cherry Plums, Eugenia candolleana and Rio Grande Cherries. But none of these will satisfy growers searching for a true cherry taste.

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VF says...
I've had same experience as BJ - lots of water + warmth = lots of big tasty fruit. The tree will grow nicely and look healthy with just average water, but give extra, and the fruit are definitely not second rate. Not same as cherry at all imo, but good in its' own right. Have never had fruit fly in them either.

Time: 27th November 2012 11:19am

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BJ says...
Today I was able to line up fresh home picked Grumixama and cherries picked yesterday from Tenterfield. Size of fruit is roughly equal - largest grumix was bigger than largest cherries. Flavour of darkest grumix beat the cherries 3/3 in my house. Size of seed - again the grumix had smaller seed and better seed to flesh ratio than standard cherries. The flavour is quite different though - sweeter but less complex than cherry. They dont have the slight bitterness or sourness that some cherries have at the seed either. they are at their best after an hour in the fridge on a hot day like today.

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BJ says...
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Thanks for posting the pictures BJ. Lucky you. Very yummy fruits hard to find in the market

Time: 3rd December 2012 6:22am

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amanda says...
That's great info BJ - thanks :) U are lucky to get so many crops! Mine are still patchy (but only just planted and 600kms south of their old home..so fair enuf' maybe) Do you guys think that they set more fruit with another Grumi nearby..?
I had decent flowering but most of them dropped off...? (could be due to relocation - but they are much happier down here - so I'm not sure..?)

Time: 3rd December 2012 10:35am

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amanda says...
Well BJ - after you mentioned your multiple crops above - I decided to give my grumichamas a few really good soakings (have good drainage so ok) and guess what...they are about to flower again!?

I am not sure if this is the cause - but it's interesting for this climate I feel...? I am pretty excited about it anyway :)
I have two mature plants - and some younger ones so I must experiment a little bit more with this...
I took it for granted that there would only be one crop...

(have had 100mm of rain in the last 18hrs and it's still pouring - so I am really looking forward to seeing what these and my other sub tropicals think of that...it's only 16 oC also...bizarre for a WA summer...)

(I guess I can kiss the tiny baby lychees good bye...?)

Time: 12th December 2012 7:48pm

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salsify says...
I am wondering of there are different strains of the black fruited grumichama getting around the place..?

I have two mature plants (about 7yrs old) and one flowers and fruits really well (from Birdwood nursery) and the other flowers, a little less, and never set's one single fruit (from Daleys)...?

These are the typical leaves from each tree - the small leaf one is the one that the flowers eventually fall off, every single year...?

I am wondering if the small-leaf one might be self-sterile...?
Thanks :)
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Time: 10th November 2014 12:50pm

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sst says...
Grumichama has finally paid off Three trees but one has large black fruit and only a single seed; better than having 3 small seeds as some of the other plants produce . And, yes , it is worth growing.

Time: 24th December 2014 11:56am

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sternus1 says...
I think if you like blackcurrant type flavor you'll like like Grumichama. I don't, really.

Time: 24th December 2014 11:58am

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For eddy says...
Black currant ?&$@ Yikes, not even close. Not as good as a good cherry but certainly worth growing.

Time: 24th December 2014 7:50pm

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sternus1 says...
Not worth growing IMO--not measured against what's out there. I 'm pretty picky though, I don't even consider jaboticaba worth growing.

Time: 24th December 2014 10:37pm

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Waterfall says...
What are your favourites Sternus?

Time: 25th December 2014 12:10am

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sternus1 says...
If I had to pick, I'd probably say cactus fruits waterfall. Dragonfruit and opuntia. Opuntia have more intense, and to my taste better fruit---but you have to have a good variety. Another advantage is that they are far and away the hardiest thing you could possibly ever grow, and will fruit utterly neglected.

Time: 25th December 2014 9:42am

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ivepeters says...
Can the orange variety become black ?
Have a black within a couple of metres of it, or was it a mislabeled ?

Time: 19th October 2015 1:09pm

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