Jazz apples (forum)

Chris starts with ...
I first tried these last year and they are in season now.
They are a favourite apple here, not that I've tried many of the non commercial heritage varieties.
They are a cross between the sweet and firm Royal Gala and the tart and crisp Braeburn apple.
I would like to grow one but the problem is that it is protected by PBR.
Question: Is there any chance home gardeners will be able to buy them? Or will we have to wait 25 years for the protection time limit to lapse? I hope not! If any one knows where one can buy a tree please let us know.

Time: 16th April 2011 11:40am

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kert says...
I accepted the critique of "modern" apples and have grown 8 heritage vaieties. Sadly they are not nearly as good as say Glden Deicious , Pink Lady, or Jonathan. Doubtless someone will spring to their defence and ,if so, can thay name names and indicate if their experience is first hand.

Time: 16th April 2011 3:18pm

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Wayne says...
How many varieties of apple do you grow Kert

Time: 16th April 2011 5:45pm

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kert says...
Roughly 15. My main aim was to have apples on hand as late as possible when v.little else was available . The upshot is that there are only two true late,late apples viz Lady Williams and Lady Williams.

Time: 17th April 2011 9:35am

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Brad says...
Just wondering kert if your experience is climate dependent? I wouldn't be surprised (either way) if tassie or higher chill commercial growing regions get better results from heritage varieties whereas the newer ones aren't so much better as more tolerant. ???

Time: 17th April 2011 10:27am

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kert says...
I imagine you're right,Brad. Heritage varieties were often local specialities and keeping qualities were high on the list of desirable attributes. We favour crunch,sweetness and eye appeal more than they did.

Time: 23rd April 2011 3:27pm

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ch0p says...
I'm growing 8 jazz apple trees from seed. They are about 80cms tall now (grew since last year) I read that they will probably not end up look/tasting like their parent, but I've got time.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:41pm

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Jazz Apple Tree Wanted says...
Hi, can I buy one of your Jazz apple trees that youve grown from seed...I soooo want to have one in my backyard..they are my favourite apple tree

Time: 2nd February 2012 10:35pm

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ch0p says...
you can have it for free, only caveat is you give me an update each year!
email me: kim (at) itnetworks.com.au

-kim

Time: 21st February 2012 9:00pm

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chillilover says...
That's very generous of you ch0p. I am growing a pink lady apple apparently but i don't have high hopes. I know i am getting nowhere close to the real thing but it's fun seeing it grow.

Time: 21st February 2012 9:04pm

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Chris says...
Chop, I admire your tenacity in trying to get your hands on a Jazz apple tree. But after 7-10 years, you'll have a very tall crab apple unfortunately.

Time: 22nd February 2012 7:18am

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uncle_roy says...
Hi Kim aka ch0p do you still have those jazz trees how are they going and can you still get seeds or small trees?

Time: 16th February 2014 8:41pm

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Adrianus says...
I had the same problem of not being able to buy a Jazz apple tree. So I planted five Jazz apple seeds of which four germinated and one turned out to be a strong, large-leafed tree with incredible autumn foliage. It grew to two metres in its first season and is now in a large tree pot ready for next year. I hope to have fruit in the season after that, but even if it doesn't have good fruit, it's the best autumn tree I have ever seen.

Time: 3rd July 2015 4:49pm

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Adrianus says...
And here is a picture (if the browse function works).
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Time: 7th July 2015 8:26pm

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Bern says...
You could plant 10,000 apple seeds and still not get an edible apple from them and it wont be like the parent.

Time: 29th July 2015 10:46am

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Manfred says...
That's simply not right Bern.

The reason there are over 4000 named varieties of apple is that people grew seedlings in the past, liked the fruit and kept growing it. I have tasted dozens of roadside apples and the only one that ever stood out for taste was one which had no acidity or tannin in the fruit. I picked it a bit early and it was like biting into a potato. After fully ripening, with the amylase reaction turning the starch to sugar it would be a characterless sweet blob, like a sugar ice-block.

All the others tasted like apples, though some had more tannin than popular varieties might. I have never seen a mature roadside apple tree which doesn't fruit.

Fruit is fundamental to plants. The chance of getting an apple tree which doesn't fruit is like the likelihood of getting a baby without ears. It could happen, but don't plan on it.

However, you are right that a seedling probably won't be the same as its parent. Just like a baby. Possibly very similar though.



Time: 29th July 2015 12:23pm

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BenW says...
Based on roadside apples, all are edible, at least for cooking or cider. Maybe 1 in 10 is nice tasting and I'd pick it to eat if it was near my house.
1 in 100 (or more) might be worth grafting.
1 in 1,000 will be a really nice apple.

1 in 10,000 might be commercially worthwhile. Note that this includes selection for things like even colour and size, looking similar to existing commercial apples so customers aren't spooked and holding up to long storage, transport, etc.

I'd suspect that the nicest apples in selection trials are usually discarded, since they don't meet commercial criteria :)

I wouldn't recommend that people with limited space grow from seed but if you are on acreage and aren't expecting every tree to be a winner, there's no harm in it.

Time: 29th July 2015 12:41pm

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Markmelb says...
Apple autumn colours can be quite pretty and even in my garden have taken till now to lose all their leaves.
The Pinkabelle dwarf in a pot is a great value plant as has alot of great fruit and never needs pruning either plus leaves go a lovely purple than standard yellow.


Time: 29th July 2015 12:58pm

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Bangkok says...
Apples? I just found this one, it is an ancient variety from Belgium. They write it tastes very very good sweet/sour.

http://demoerbeiboom.be/nl/catalogus/roodvlezige-appel

And if you're on their website (in Belgium) then also check their pawpaws, they have many grafted ones. Those can grow in Oz. This shop has many rarity's.


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Time: 29th July 2015 11:28pm

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Brian. says...
Wow, that's gorgeous! I always dreamed that someone somewhere would develop a fruit tree that had magnificent Autumn foliage. Imagine it ... blossoms in Spring, fruit in Summer, and gorgeous foliage in Autumn. Hope my Jazz apple looks like that.

Time: 25th October 2016 4:43pm

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Fruitylicious1 says...
Hi everyone

My dwarf Huonville Crab apple has just fruited after 4 years and boy it's loaded. Fruit is excellent with a balanced sweetness and acidity with a small to medium size fruit due to its crab parentage. Good for kid's lunchboxes. There's a similar cv that has came out recently called 'Redlove Apple' bred by Markus Kobelt in Switzerland. Mine is OZ discovered by Bob Magnus growing in Huonville, Tasmania. Growing as a'Y' espalier ATM.
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Time: 1st March 2018 9:41am

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