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Has anyone ever heard of this mango before? Birdwood sell them through Bunnies, but I've not been able to get any info from either of them.

The only reference to it online is a picture of a huge elongated mango in thailand...

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Time: 4th June 2011 8:23am

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Peter says...
There is a rumour that it is 'Maha Chanook' which is kept in the Australian Mango genbank. If you google under this name, the the fruit characteristics and tree characteristics match quite nicely.

Time: 4th June 2011 3:00pm

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Mike says...
It won't be the real name and it is a whopper alright.The elephant tusk group of mangoes eg Tom ky Ken and the ones we label cedar bay and raboul may be a bit longer at times.There are big yellow versions of falan,pram kai meu,pimseng,mun kun si and even big okrung varieties and it is probably one of these.I doubt it will be in Australia.We have a preference for colourful skin,a bit more turps and fibre and an american lineage.

Time: 1st July 2011 9:27pm

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Peter says...
So Mike, you don't think it is Maha Chanook?

Time: 2nd July 2011 12:08am

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Mike says...
Peter, the name inicates a thai rather than singapore mango.Maha chinook usually has a pink flush and looks like a nam dok mai x Keow Savoy cross and not as

Time: 2nd July 2011 9:13am

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Peter says...
and not as...?
You mentioned earlier, that you doubt that falan, etc. are in Australia. I had a look what's kept in the Australian Mango genbank and there is Falan, Falan 97,Muhn Kohm, Okrong, OK Rong 97 - so officially these ones are available and if you think one of these, then it is possible.
King Thai has drooping branches, so which one of the onnes you mentioned has them as well? I have one young tree and if you know what to look for to identify by vegetative means, this would interesting.
Actually, Birdwood should at least have the real name in brackets as well to avoid increase of cultivar names, which turn out not to be additional cutivars.
But maybe it is their own controlled crossing and deserve a new name? If the original person does not contact Birdwood to find out, I will do that soon.


Time: 2nd July 2011 11:05am

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Mike says...
Sorry Peter I meant that the odd forms or giant forms probably wouldn't be here, I know the standard okrung and falan are.They are like groups themselves and there are thousands of mango variations in SE Asia and we can only have a fraction.The names of varieties of all sorts of fruits change between countries just look at bananas or pineapples and you shouldn't have to be a detective to know what your getting even if someone has exclusive distribution rights.I have trouble teliing the trees apart to variety level but okrung,nam dok mai and falan look a bit droopy to me.

Time: 2nd July 2011 11:27am

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BJ says...
i've never had any response to any emails I've ever sent to Birdwood. I will be able to ask them personally at the Expo next weekend though.

Time: 2nd July 2011 4:58pm

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Mike says...
I just noticed that a previous response was cut off.'Not as' big as the mango in the picture most of the time.Why the identity is strange is mainly that king thai is an unexpected local name for a singapore mango (maha chanook).Most village and backyard trees in SE Asia don't have a formal name and if it is one of those it probably had a real name pinned on it.The commercial Asian types that can be picked green for transport and all at once and have a name are not always the best for gardens.
I think KP is the only non-asian mango in australia that can compete in terms of taste.It still is not as good as the top asians in my view.It is subjective and some people love the turpsy hint.

Time: 2nd July 2011 6:04pm

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BJ says...
I like Florigon and Ataulfo also. i don't think any could match the PSM Carabao.

Time: 2nd July 2011 9:01pm

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Mike says...
Bj is that the favoured Philipine rediscovered one they are planting all over the place now? If it is I haven't tried it but read how the philipine people reagard it.

Time: 2nd July 2011 9:06pm

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Peter says...
Thanks people from the East. Here in WA there is such a lot to catch up with about growing different mango cultivars. Only a few years ago many nurseries would just source KP and R2E2, insisting that only these would succeed in Perth. I never believed it. Luckily there is a change now and more choice is available. Birdwood labels now even mention suitability for Perth, if applicable. I guess, we could get a great headstart from people in the Eastern states talking about good cultivars for regions further down the East coast, comparibale with the Perth climate. Please any suggestions?
Ono? King Thai? Irwin? Banana?
I know Glenn does the right things at the right time in Perth and might bear every year and has also a good disease resistance.

Time: 2nd July 2011 11:37pm

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Mike says...
Perth/SW WA with its strong winter rainfall peak is much like California and mangoes come from a summer peak rainfall and humidity zone.I'd be checking the recommendations and success in California.There are a limited number resistant to anthracnose and it is pretty easy to google up a chart and compare what's available with resistance.Tommy Atkins,Van dyke and I think Hayden are resistant, very productive and colourful and perhaps the most cultivated in the world.Unfortunately like many american mangoes they are not also winners in the taste department.Irwin is small,red and susceptible,Ono is small purple and yellow and susceptible and both taste ok.I don't know about Glenn and the other two might not be real names.

Time: 3rd July 2011 8:58am

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Peter says...
Banana is a long, yellow polyembryonic cultivar.
Hayden is generally regarded is vulnerable to fungal disease, but you never know, sometimes the same cultivar behaves very differenly in different countries even with similar climate.
I hope that one day Mallika will be available, which the Tropical Fruit Nursery regards as superb flavour, unparalled disease resistance and being extremly productive.
Sometimes I wonder, why we don't see these cultivars for sale...

Time: 3rd July 2011 2:54pm

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Mike says...
BJ mentioned caraboa and I reckon sam ru du would also be a real winner.A few sorts get called banana around here but hey are small.I might google mallika to sus it out.It is disappointing we don't have most of the good ones. We don't have any of the hawaiin or floridian avos, many of the guavas,sapodillas and in fact many fruit varieties developed in the last 40 years or so.

Time: 3rd July 2011 4:15pm

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Mike says...
Peter I see Mallika is a cross of the top quality Neelum and Dasheri from india and it is very plain in appearance.It sure sounds like an exceptional variety.In a few short decades it might hit our shores but will no doubt be cue jumped by red skinned turpsy american types.

Time: 3rd July 2011 10:02pm

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BJ says...
Peter confirmed 'King Thai' is the Maha Chinook mango.

Time: 9th July 2011 2:20pm

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Peter says...
That's great. This forum is great for solving questions like this.
I wonder, if forum people have Maha Chinook and could tell, if it is better in fruit set for colder areas like Perth (or Eastern States equivalent) than KP.
My tree flowers earlier than KP, my first fruit has set last season, but not pollinated. Even half size only because of missed out pollination,at least it did not fall off like KP often does with it's unpollinated flowers. Hopefully it holds this nubbins better.
Seems to have a good disease resistance so far.

Time: 10th July 2011 12:14am

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BJ says...
Hi Mike,
Is the Sam Ru Du mango available here?
Do you know where one might find one?


Time: 15th July 2011 1:04pm

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Mike says...
BJ I had one today from Rusty's Market and it was great. One person west of Mareeba has them after importing them from Thailand.They have been such a bonanza that I am sure he will not be sharing the variety.
I am sure many of the KP,Calypso amd R2E2 growers as well as backyard hobbyists would like to get them.I suppose it would take someone else importing the trees for them to be available but I don't know if someone could have sole distribution rights if a well established type in another country.

Time: 15th July 2011 6:17pm

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BJ says...
Good to know Mike. I will be in Cairns in 4 weeks and will check Rustys for the fruit. Do you know if Po Pyu Kalay is in the country? I'd love to find that one.

Time: 15th July 2011 8:27pm

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Mike says...
BJ I hope sam ru du is still for sale at that time and they are always mislabelled.They look like Ok rung.I believe that is the lemon merange mango of myanmar and thailand and the answer is no I as far as I'm aware.We seem to be missing most of the exceptional and unusual types but do have some.

Time: 15th July 2011 8:40pm

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BJ says...
Hi Mike, I visited Rusty's, but couldn't find the Sam Ru Du mangoes. NDMs were out in force along with yellow bananas, as were small KPs and a few R2E2s. I did pick up a few fruits I thought were canistel, but have a shiny, leatehry skin and are elongated and a little papaya looking - a bit like fruitist's 'lucuma'. Very different to the other canistels I've eaten.

Also, my King Thai mango is flowering, and it looks very much like the Maha Chinook's flower stalk. I might try to upload images if I get the time on the weekend.

Time: 24th August 2011 3:18pm

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Mike says...
BJ The Sam ru dus always go by other names in Australia and they were there as banana mangoes or something else.Nam dok mais are already around in abundance also for the last month.Those long canistel from the philipine lady fronting sheridan street never seem to go quite ripe and are a bit dry but the round ones from the malaysian chinese fellow inside are better.I have bought both types and they are both classic canistel varieties.

Time: 24th August 2011 4:17pm

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Peter says...
Hi Mike,
I just discovered your last post.
Do you mean that the mango cultivar nurseries sell as 'Banana' is actually 'Sam Ru Du'?
In that case, Sum Ru Du is available.

Time: 9th November 2011 3:23pm

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M Nash says...
I have a "Banana Ken" and an "Ono" I picked up from Bunnings last season, Growing well. I Could never find just what the banana ken axactly is?
Flowers dropped as can be expected so I have not seen what the fruit looks like yet.

Time: 9th November 2011 4:15pm

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Mike says...
Peter I think banana mangoes and strawberry mangoes can be any of a number of varieties.Sam Ru du I believe has a form called chokodam or something similar.I picked about 100 bowens in the park last week and have been tanking up ever since,including drying some and freezing some.

Time: 9th November 2011 8:00pm

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BJ says...
my King Thai set a few fruits this season. Its still too slender to hold them and grow into a decently shaped tree, so I had to pick them off with much regret. Hopefully it will pay dividends next season! Im letting my Allison Red KP hold a few though, as its a bit thicker and is a dwarf KP anyways.

Time: 9th November 2011 8:19pm

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Peter says...
Ok, there are a lot of different names around - impossible to sort out...
There are also at least two different versions in the net about the parents of Maha Chinook...
Anyway, as long as it is a good mango cultivar - it is great to hear from other people what works in their area.
Soon I hope, somebody further south than Brisbane will be able to tell how the King Thai behaves in a cooler place.
My tree seems to set fruit, even there is nightmare weather for mangoes this spring here in Perth (cold and rainy during flowering).

Time: 9th November 2011 10:35pm

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BJ says...
I was lurking on the net the other day and saw that Tou's Garden (NT mango growers) had trademarked and were growing 1000 Maha Chanook trees. They also noted that:

Tou's Garden Maha Chinook

The Maha Chinook mango is trademarked by Tou's Garden in Australia based on a clone of the original Thai Maha Chinook, a natural clone of Sunset, which was first identified at Lampoon, Northern Thailand.

Maha Chinook is a large, regular bearing fiberless fruit with a flat seed similar in shape to Nam Doc Mai mangoes, but having a warm glowing blush colour when mature. The original Maha Chinook is a mid to late season variety popular for export in Japan and Europe.

Specifications:


Time: 30th November 2011 1:12pm

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Peter says...
Thanks BJ.
Lots of more info now compared to when this thread was started!

Time: 30th November 2011 1:22pm

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Brain says...
@bj, can u kindly let me know where i can track down a king thai in brisbane? Have tried 6 bunnings in the south side without luck. I actually would love to have all the dwarf range from birdswood, or daley if they sell them.

So far, the red alison kp, mackay kp, irwin, sensation, palmer from birdswood/bunnings, a pravin from bunnings as well (not sure where from). All dwarf labeled, but i wonder if they are actually on dwarf rootstock and how tall will it grow. Plus a nam doc mai from daley here on regular rootstock.

The nam doc mai from daley did fruit quiet well, but the heavy rain in bris caused the fruits to split. So i would recommend this to others if they are keen to see some fruit. But it can be disheartening to see your prized mango split. But if weather is on the right side, then i think is worth the effort. The alison red kp is also a winner with at least one fruit still on tree despite the heavy rain.

Time: 24th December 2011 3:28am

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BJ says...
The two Bunnings I frequent are Stafford and Carseldine. They have had them a few times this year. They seem to re-stock their dwarf mangoes around once a month. They've had lots of Palmers (yuck), AR KP, Banana, and a few King Thai. its worth giving them a call, as they should either have one on hand or could get one with their next delivery...

Time: 24th December 2011 9:03am

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Brain says...
Thanks very much for the tip, most appreciated.


Time: 24th December 2011 1:36pm

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Brain says...
Just saw an episode of the garden guru and assuming their facts are acurate, the banana mango is an indian mango, hybridised for australian conditions. Looks a bit like the king thai actually, considering they were in thailand and it was the right shape and colour, so the plot thickens.


Time: 1st January 2012 12:58pm

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Brendan says...
Yeah Brian, (or is it Brain :-)? I saw that show too, that banana mango they showed was much bigger than mine, and when mine ripens, it turns a red colour?

Time: 2nd January 2012 9:30am

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BJ says...
Just went out and had a look at my mango plants. noticed something strange about the new growth on the Alison Red KP - leaves only on one side of new flush, the other side has a bunch of inflorescences! Would that make it potentially a double cropper - summer and winter crops? Having KPs in winter would be nice...

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David says...
BJ, talked to a phillipino gent the other day, he lives in carina, in his front yard there is a mango tree that has had fruit on it full size in june, this tree regularly reflowers if the first dosnt set, i asked if i could get some grafting material he said no problem, fruit is bowen shape but this tree out performs any others in brisbane ive seen.

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Brain says...
The choc annan mango aka miracle mango also fruits in winter, potentially 2crops per year. But research suggest the taste is only so-so, so not sure if worth the effort in growing. Anyhow, it is available in australia!


Time: 12th February 2012 8:05am

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Mike says...
I ate 3 of them yesterday toget the seeds and they are exquisite with nam dok mai and okrung overtones and way better than KP hence the higher price.Chocadam and Sam rud du(thai 3 seasons) appear to be variations of the same thing. While they can have 3 crops a year the summer crop taste best.The single farmer near Mareeba growing them,Keow saweoy and nam dok mai is flourishing compared to the bowen and american style mango growers in the district.

Time: 12th February 2012 8:18am

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ROBERT says...
hi everyone i have a cedar bay and my mangoes are sold at rusty markets every friday and saturday by ROBERT how has a small stall they are sold green as the flying bats love them

Time: 11th November 2012 3:33pm

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David says...
Today located the king Thai mango for sale. Just a short trip to Templex nursery. Lots for sale $38.00, good sized Dwarf King Thai Mango trees for sale

Time: 29th November 2012 10:43pm

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BJ says...
Mine have two fruit on now. They should both stay on full term, so I'll have to give the report in a few months. The Allison Red KP that I got at the same time is doing even better. It also seems to flower in winter. The Dwarf king thai seems quite vigorous for a dwarf.

Time: 29th November 2012 10:57pm

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Brain says...
Thank you David for the update, I will be making a trip this Sat. I have been trying to get my hands on a king thai for a year, I even went to visit 9 bunnings all over Brisbane with no luck! so very excited, wish I didn't have to work tomorrow (friday).

This year, my Allison Red KP has one fruit, same as last year. So instead of being a $30 mango, it may become a $15 mango. However my Mackay KP has 5 fruit, so fingers and toes crossed.

No fruit formed this year with my Nam Doc Mai (Daley plant) :( [But during the year of floods, I had like 20 fruit but all of them cracked open with the excessive rain].

The trails and tribulations of fruit tree growing continues.

Time: 29th November 2012 11:43pm

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VF says...
David, that is great news - thanks for the update. Can't get there before Monday - hope there'll still be one left! (You have probably caused a mad rush. haha)

BJ and Brain, apart from being dwarf varieties, do the Al.Red KP and McKay KP have other differences to regular KP?

Time: 30th November 2012 6:56am

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BJ says...
The ARKP is supposed to be the same in taste as KP, but far more dwarf (mother tree 15ft tall at 40yo or something like that) and better suited to cooler temperature and higher rainfall areas, being selected on the Sunshine Coast. It also has a far more red blush than your standard KP. Mine will hold at least 4 fruit. My Kwan is the best for fruit potential though, it flowered so heavily it snapped itself in half, then flowered again and now has 15 baby fruits on a tiny bush - 5 that will hold full term if I let the tree. I'll knock off all but 1-2 as they will get too large for the tree to hold without splitting itself again!

Time: 30th November 2012 9:21am

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Db says...
I don't have anything to say abt King Thai but just an update abt my other 2 varieties - My Kwan mango plant also flowered in this season, I bought it from Daley's sometime mid this year.. Its tiny plant being only 1.5 ft tall now but it still flowered in its first season (1 big flower spike), I removed that big flower spike just when tiny fruits started to form, then tree flowered again with 2 spikes, so I've decided to remove flower bit later once they are bigger than pea size... When it re-flowered, flower spike was so big that it almost touched the ground... Now it has around 10-15 pea size fruits on one spike and lots of tiny fruits on same, it also has one more smaller spike... Is it ok the remove those fruits now so that plant can put energy in new growth? I certainly don't want it to re-flower...

Also, my Glen mango is hold 3 fruits now in its first season, they are almost golf ball size now, one might be dropped soon as its turning yellow now... I want to taste it so I'll keep at least one :)

Time: 30th November 2012 10:03am

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Brain says...
BJ is certainly the authority here, so if there is something that BJ doesn't know, it's not worth knowing. LOL.

Fruit wise, I've only ever had one (and tasted one) AR KP reaching maturity, so statistically insignificant. However the skin did have more red hue than your average KPs in the supermarket. Taste wise, it tastes like normal KP. However, i did find my AR to be more fiberous than supermarket KP. So I don't know if this is down to genetics or environmental factors, i.e. Brain here is only average at growing mangos and can't compete with full time professionals.

As for the trees itselves, I don't have a 'normal' KP for comparison. But comparing the AP and Mackay, they both look very similar, and if it weren't for the label, I certainly couldn't tell them apart. I've also found the Mackay version to be a bigger plant than the AP and is little bit more vigourous. I.e. AP can be considered slow growing and Mackay - normal, even if both are labeled dwarfs. And my growing observations seems to fit what BJ is saying.

Anyway, this brings me to the next question, is there such thing as dwarfing mango rootstocks? I have found literatures on other fruit dwarf rootstocks (like Flying Dragon for citrus, MMxx for apple and some various ones for cherry), but dwarf mango rootstocks infos have eluded me.

For example, let say you have a dwarfing type tree as the scion, but you have it grafted to a vigourous rootstock, what size of a tree would you have? I've read on the daley pages, they graft all their mangos onto KP rootstock, so I would assume it would come out to be a decent size tree. Then we have these so call dwarf mangos like AR KP, where growth and vigous wise would say it is a natural dwarf. But what about other dwarfs, like the dwarf King Thai, is it on a true dwarf rootstock, where size is contained like a flying dragon or some other magic is at work? LOL.

thanks in advance for the educations :)


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BJ says...
Im no expert, I've just had the opportunity and good fortune to talk to experts and am happy to pass it on. Plus, Im excited to grow the new varieties that are getting rave reviews elsewhere.

Best bet for dwarfing rootstocks are small growing poly mangoes. I havent been able to ask Birdwood what the rootstocks for their dwarf range are. Good candidates are probably NDM#4 and Falan.

Not all types are dwarfed by rootstock. Vigrous growers like VP will still get large on whatever rootstock you use. I notice my ARKP is developing a bit of an elephant's foot as the rootstock is faster than the cv.

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VF says...
Excellent info - thanks BJ, Brain and Db.

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VF says...
Hooray! Managed to get to Templex and now officially have a KT. Thanks for heads up David. Not many left - owners saying that word has spread fast and that they've been selling like hot-cakes. Managed to get one about 5ft with 2 inflorescences and some set little fruits (yes, I'm cheating. I'll baby these in hope of getting one edible.)There was another plant there with a set fruit about size of a decent broadbean if anyone interested.
Small hijack here - Db, if you're still interested in Wax Jambu, there was one fairly advanced size one with lots of new growth emerging for ?$38.

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David says...
Vf ,no worries. Ill keep my ears and eyes open glad to be of service.

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Brain says...
On this glorious day First of December 2012, Brain has inducted himself into the great hall of King Thai Growers Club. :)

I was sort of in a rush, so didn't check all the plants out. And am extremely jealous of VF's plant with his little fruits.

But all in all, a very good day, got my plant and extremely happy!


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Mike says...
Speaking of NDM the 3 at the back are an unusual form that gets a bit of pink when ripening.Yes the tai so lychees are around now and mango enthusiasts will recognise sam ru du at the front.The mangosteen is a borneo small leafed type with etra tang in the fruit.They can be recognised by their more pointy tip,larger size and tiny terminal star.
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Brain says...
I just re-read the posts here and trying to cross reference where exactly did Maha Chanook comes from? A lot of web sites say Singapore but they are all copied from the same script. So if anyone has any reference that proves it originated from Singapore or someone got the genetics from Singapore, I'd love to know.

Anyway, slightly off topic, something just clicked. "Cedar Bay" is actually a variety of mango, not just grown in 'cedar bay'. http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/FruitFest3-89.htm



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VF says...
Try googling Rainbow mango (another name for MC/KT) also. I found that it originated in Thailand, coming from cross between Mexican and Thai varieties. Whether it's true? Here's one link http://goodfruitguide.co.uk/fruits/mango/maha-chanok .(There are a couple more, but like you have found, they tend to be a copy.)

Mike, we don't get the scrumptious diversity that you do (at least not in my neck of the woods), but now we are starting to even it up a little. Haha

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David says...
VF up with the birds i see

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Beautiful and yummy fruits Mike! thanks for posting the picture. I wish I was there.

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VF says...
Good Morining David, yeah, I'm usually outside at the crack of dawn checking plants and fruit - very peaceful....
I've done a typo with above link supplied, try http://goodfruitguide.co.uk/fruits/mangoes/maha-chanok

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David says...
Thanks for the link the more you know the more you understand

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Db says...
You guys have provoked me enough to visit Templex nursery, so thanks David, VF, Brain and BJ as well.. Yesterday I visited this nursery to have a look at King Thai and Wax Jambu that VF mentioned above... Didn't buy Wax Jambu in end as as lot of people say they don't like it, so I will consider it after I taste it some day. I bought 5ft tall King Thai Mango tree and Finger Lime - Rainforest pearl... I called nursery in morning to check if any KT had fruit on it, owner said one tree have small fruits but by the time I visited nursery in afternoon those fruits were dropped so only fruitless spike remained so I skipped that smaller plant and bought 5 ft tall instead.. Hopefully it will flower in next season...

Rainforest Pearl finger limes in Templex are expensive ($48) but VERY advance.. The one that I purchased is already 4.5 ft tall and loaded with fruits, mine have 20 fruits of 3 inch size, Around 15 more plants available of same size if anyone is interested. Just off topic question - how big this finger lime fruit grow and how to know when it is ready to pick?

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Brain says...
Db, welcome to the club! And kudos to great David who just made legendary status. Now, if we can get Mike to get us all a Sam Ru Du tree for Christmas ...

also a little off topic, anyone know of anyone in Brisbane (shop/stall/whatever) selling the Sam Ru Du fruit?

As for the Sam Ru Du tree? Anyone in Australia has a spare tree? Please don't make me beg :).

I am also convinced I tasted a SRD fruit a few years ago and the taste was superior to the NDM. Hence the obsession.



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Brain, I believe only one farm has SRD trees and is reluctant to part with material as he has a foothold in the NQ market now. Thye also need to be able to recoup the $$$ spent on importing the trees... They should grow true to type from seed though and I have a spare seedling if you want.

Db, great pickup on the KT/MC mango. Mine are sizing up nicely. As for Rainforest Pearl I can only offer my commiserations. Its a great grower and fruits like mad. Mine got to 12ft in full sun and scorched earth, but I really disliked the fruit. The skin has a very high oil content which makes it unuseable for marmelade and such. Its okay in drinks though, but thats about it. I sent mine to tree heaven after its thorns got too big. If you do put it in the ground make sure its well out of the way as the thorns are nasty and can jag you in the eye. It makes a nice nesting site for stick insects, which cover the branches in their cocoons.

$48 is not bad for a grafted fingerlime. Consider the price one would pay ex Daleys plus shipping and you'd come to roughly the same.

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Db says...
BJ, sad to know that you didn't liked taste of rainforest pearl, I should have really checked with you first before buying.. Does all finger lime tastes similar, how abt Sunshine yellow or tasty green that Daleys lists? I recently purchased Collette from Daleys, plant is just 1 ft tall, it is holding one fruit now but still very small (1 inch), it flowered crazily after couple of weeks of transplanting in bigger pot but all tiny fruits are dropping... I'll be growing both in pot so that I can move them around considering they are spiky..

Sorry for this off-topic discussion...

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BJ says...
Db, Raindforset Pearl is bulletproof and will grow well for you, but there are only so many of the oily type fruits I could eat. Others are very different. Collette is a good clean, strong limey flavour. Ricks Red is a delicious sweet raspberry x lime flavour that I like eating out of hand. The best ones are usually the selected superior green types and the dark red and orange types. The standard greens and pinks can be a bit hit and miss - there are a few okay ones, but many have that oily skin and a non descript acid-citrus taste.

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Brain says...
Hey BJ, I will take you up on your kind offer. In return, I could offer you a Trinidad Scorpion Butch T seedling - the current world record holder of the hottest chilli - though, that title is currently being challenged by Trinidad Scorpion Moruga. I brought some seeds from ebay and managed to geminate only 2 last fortnight. It currently only has 2 and a little bit of leaves but I'd say in a months time, they should be strong enough to be transplanted/transported. I will also add that I don't know if the ebay seller has isolated his plant and the chilli seeds will definitely comes true to type or not, either way, worth a try. If chilli isn't your thing, let me know what else interests you and I will see what I can do.

About 5 years ago, I brought 2 Thai type looking mangos from the markets. The lady told me they are new mangos into Australia, came from Cairns and couldn't tell me the name of the variety. The were very yellow, small, aromatic, and thin, with seeds almost paper thin. It was the best tasting mango I ever tasted and ever since that day, I tried with no success to find them again. I searched all over the net and only come up with NDM. However, upon tasting quite a few NDM over the years, i'm convinced they are not it. So in desperation, I've gotten myself a few Thai mango trees (NDM, Choc Annan, Elephant Tusk, Keow Savoey & of course the King Thai). Anyway, seeing Mike's picture above brings the possibility that it could have been SRD, so I must get that also. LOL.


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VF says...
If anyone in Brisbane/G.Coast missed out on KT, they have some at Beaudesert Mitre10 nursery, also Florigon mango and White Goose Feijoa; all plants $38.99, all between 4-5 ft.

Time: 11th December 2012 5:10pm

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amanda says...
I decided to swap out my Tommy Atkins tree for a King Thai instead (Semi dwarf rootstock)....I hope I have made a better choice? :) Being well south of Perth and having not only flowering - but fruit set also on my R2E2 and the T/atkins (within 3 months of planting them) made me feel bold enough to try the K/Thai....

Amazingly - we had not had a day over about 27oC before they flowered...and fairly cool nights too...

Dawsons (in Cottesloe) had very nice grafted trees (where I got the K/Thai yesterday)

This is/was the T/atkins fruiting down here in Leschenault Perth peter.. :)






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Mike says...
Amanda you have the Midas touch turning trash to gold.That is unless you're a big fan of turpsy overtones.TA is more cold tolerant and productive however.

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amanda says...
Hehe... I don't know about that Mike ;-) Don't all grafted mangoes behave this way..? There has been very little choice over this side - until recently.

It's a new frontier for sandgropers - working out what will grow and where...

I'd be happy with just a Honey Gold but they aren't for sale yet. Anything more refined might be wasted on me...hehe...(although I'm not a fan of turpentine flavours either..which u said about TA b4 - hence I turfed it in favour of the K/Thai)

I would love to be able to taste them all in a line-up one day....it would be so interesting...

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amanda says...
The tag for the King Thai is interesting "A slightly upright tree growing to 3.5m high..." what do they mean by slightly upright..? Hmnnn.. ;)

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Brain says...
Probably BJ can answer that, as he's had the KT for a while. I'd say, the KT probably likes to not branch and spread out horizontally. Certain, the plant that I brought is tall and skinny. Just tip pruned it to see if it will branch out a little.

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BJ says...
It probably means upright and moderate vigour. It doesnt branch out horizontally. Even when you chop it low it branches in a very upright manner. The flower panicles are huge and the fruit should nudge 20cm when mature, but they dont bend the branches down as do KP and others (Keitt being the worst) but they hang on very long stalks which dont seen to weigh the branches down much.

Amanda, if you ever got the chance to line up KP, King Thai, Keitt, Kent, R2E2, TA, Nam Doc Mai, Honey Gold, Kyo Savoy, Falan and Elephant tusk you'd find that each has a noticeably different taste. They all taste of mango, but with a wide range of variations. Someone mentioned that its like wine snobs detecting 'subtle notes' of things that are pretty well imaginary between different brands of wine, but often the differences are more like those between shiraz and rose.

VF - White Goose for $38 - thats a good buy as they are usually an extra $5odd from the rest due to the PBR thats put on top of Birdwood's regular prices. They are $43 in Bunnings here and Mammoths are $36.

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amanda says...
Thanks BJ...what one's do you like the best? What's your opinion on king thai? It's is an odd shape too - this one has been nipped in the bud b4 and not branched out at all (only one leader stem - and it's 1.5m tall..?)
Do I need to try cutting it again maybe..?

(That was my silly comment about the wine... It was waffle so I got rid of it ;-)
It's great that we finally have access to these varieties over here...I can't believe we have been denied them for so long!?

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BJ says...
I cut mine at about metre to keep them low. You should do it to king thai as it will have more fruiting branches at picking height that way.

its also a fairly standard asian type mango shape, just bigger than most bar the elephant tusk family. it is awesome.

I rate most of the asian types highly and the old american types lowly. KP is still my standard that i can eat by the truckload, but NDM, Kyo Savoy, Kwan and even some green falan are good scattered throughout the season. The other Aussie selections are in the 'okay' category - Calypso is a nice pleasant mango without fibre issues and R2E2 is fine. Keitt and Kent are not in the top tier and I'll only eat a few per season before the novelty of giant green turpsy mangoes dies. There are other cultivars recently selected in Florida/Panama that are supposed to be other worldly good, like Coconut Cream, Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet, but those will take a while to get here (only LZ is poly). Im on the lookout for a Po Pyu Kalay aka Lemon Meringue, which is an old south east asian type that is poly, but i cant find it anywhere, though it must be here...

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amanda says...
Great run-down BJ. It's great to hear that KP's are still rated well by the tropical members - cos I still love them too :)
It will be interesting to see how the K/Thai goes here - it's worth testing the limits of all our fruit trees IMHO...there can be nice surprises for sure..

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Brain says...
slightly off topic

I'm looking forward to try these. :)


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David says...
Interesting Brain, where did you purchase them , and yes what did they taste like.

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Brain says...
I'm in Singapore for the next few days and this was just purchased off the local western style supermarket.

I need to find some local fruit market in the hope of sampling some other varieties.

Anyway, google search indicates these Thailand Golden Honey is the marketing name to Nam Doc Mai. http://thailand-mango.com

I am a little disappointed because I was actually hoping for some really exotic variety.

Despite the complete yellow colour, it is still quite firm at the moment, will probably wait for 1 more day before digging in. I think the difference between Australian ones is that these are picked matured and ripen, and thus bigger in size in general. Will keep everyone posted on the taste test.



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Brain says...
by the way, the website mentioned has some nice pics of King Thai/ Mahachanok
http://thailand-mango.com/th_seasonal-mango,79.html

and I can see why it lends itself to be called the rainbow mango.

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VF says...
Thanks for the posts and links Brain. Good to know that (at least for mangoes), here in Oz we have some of the best varieties available to us now. Unfortunate spelling of Nam Doc Mai though! Dork?!
The KT is attractive with its' multi-hues. Rainbow indeed. Hope you find some and get to taste. Enjoy your NDM anyway.

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Brain says...
the NDM tasted a bit ordinary to be honest. It is quite firm in texture, with parts of it being very sweet and parts of it being very sour. It has a nutty undertone with very little fibre. I think it is an acquired taste and to be honest, tasted exactly like the ones in Australia.

The only exception is, the Australian versions are sold green and you have to ripen it yourself, whereas in Singapore, it's sold ripened and larger, possibly due to it being 'export quality'

If I'm honest with myself, KP taste is superior to NDM.

I have tasted good NDM before where all parts of the mango is sweet but this is rarity rather than rule.

So the elusive search for awesome mango continues.

Also, I suspected we did a trade with Thailand where we swapped mango genetics.

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VF says...
Just an update of KT bought a month ago. One set fruit just over 40mm (hopefully a keeper now) on one inflorescence. Lost a few fruit between 20-30mm on second spike, when a third inflorescence developed on the end of the second.(Is that unusual, flowering again from the end of a flower?) Anyway, small fruit setting well on third spike - hopefully have at least one of these develop.
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David says...
VF still havnt planted the King Thai from Templex yet (im lazy basically).One thing i have noticed is that 3 yrs ago purchased a Valencia Pride mango (or so i thought ) from Templex it looks like its a R2E2 ,not the common VP shape. So will have to look out for a VP to replace it ,i understand that VP has a remarkable flavour.

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VF says...
Disappointing re VP. I've read too that they're good, but grow into monsterous sized trees - hope you have the room! (If I see one, I'll give you a shout). I recently gave in and bought a Florigon against my better judgement - but what the heck! Should be nice, but a small fruit.

BTW, don't get the guilts for not planting KT - my soursop (from late autumn) still not out, going to be big job so I keep putting it off. Hopefully it's not too root bound...

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David says...
Thanks VF,just started picking Florigan off my 10yr old tree.We had a huge Jacaranda felled just before xmas, i susspect it was host to the fruit spotting bug, now with that gone just doing some mopping up so to speak. The felling of the tree knocked off a number of Florigan and Glenn Mangoes. Florigan is pretty productive and sets fruit well Some genetic anthracnose tollerance to i understand ,so that helps.

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BJ says...
Good going on the KT VF! I've got two on my tree, which is quite a vigorous upright grower at this stage. Largest fruit is about 20cm long. I had some drop at around 5cm, so do your best to keep that one on there. My Kwan is about 40cm heigh and has three fruit on. i let it hold them as it just wont be told otherwise, everytime i cut them off it reflowers and fruits again!

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VF says...
Thanks BJ - not sure what else I can do. KT has had a general feed, Seaweed, trace elements and cow manure. Is there anything else? And wow, your little Kwan sounds like a ripper - hope mine fruits next year (bought it after flowering ).

David, thanks for info on Florigon - will look forward to it fruiting. Glad about disease resistance - I avoid using Copper sprays if I can, as I worry about soil toxicity. What is your Glenn like, both as fruit and trees? I planted one at same time as KT.

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Db says...
My KT mango tree that I bought at Templex nursery has no sign of putting any side branches and its only going up.. Currently its 7-8ft tall without any side branches.. If I cut it at say 3-4ft, will it produce more than one branches or is it still possible that it will produce only one branch again and it starts going upward (which i don't prefer)?

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VF says...
Db, read a post further back from BJ, should help. If you were unlucky enough to only have only one new growing point to grow, I'd pinch out its' tip to force it to branch.

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Brain says...
I pinched out the tip when I purchased the plant and now it has 2 nodes swelling up. The upright habbit is definitely there and it will take a bit of time to branch up the tree.

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Db says...
Thanks VF and Brain for the reply.. Mine is 8ft tall, so I'm thinking to cut it to 4ft rather than just pinching the tip.. Hopefully it will form more branches..

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Brain says...
cutting 1/2 your tree off is quite drastic isn't it? methinks it will set your tree back a year.

Time: 14th February 2013 12:42pm

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Db says...
Really? KT seems to be fast grower.. Mine has put on 1 ft on new growth in last 1 month or so and have also formed new node at tip to put on further growth..

Time: 14th February 2013 12:55pm

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Brain says...
mine is the exact opposite, not an extra leave (let alone any height) since I tip pruned. I suspect KT likes to be tall and narrow and I simply stunned its growth, as least for a while, until new central leaders emerge.

My strategy for my tree is, let the 2 node grow into say 10 cm and then tip prune again. Hopefully the tree gets the hint and grow some side branches. This has worked for most of my other dwarf mangos. Just takes a year (or two) though.

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BJ says...
Mine is quite vigorous and upright. New buds seem to form within days of pruning. Bodes well for my plans to graft a few Kwan scions on in the next few weeks.

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Db says...
Good to know BJ.. I'll prune mine and remove top at least 2-3 fts.. 8ft tall without any side branches is not good for mango.. I'm also thinking to graft it on my seedling in pot, I haven't done grafting before.. Any tips? I don't have grafting tape, thinking to use just glad-wrap and plastic support, will it ok or not worth the efforts?

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Mangoes can be air layered if you do it about ten weeks before they bloom - all the hormones at that time are good for root development, so late winter is ideal. An interesing article about it on your Google search.

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VF says...
Had my KT mango flower about Xmas/new year period. Let a fruit develop, and ate it last week...fantastic! I picked it with some green on it (thanks for the tip BJ), and it took about 8-10 days to ripen. I had guests so it was shared 5 ways. Everyone thought that it was one of the best mangos they'd had both taste wise (rich and even, just enough tang to enhance flavor) and texture (no fibre, enough firmness but still melt in the mouth). Excellent amount of flesh recovery, seed almost paper thin. One guest now considering growing one themselves. I'm seriously anticipating next season!

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MaryT says...
Wow VF that is so tempting! I hope you are sprouting the seed. I wonder if they would grow in Sydney; not that I have the room haha. Looking at my worm farm I think the best way to sprout a mango seed is to bury it in one as I keep finding spouted mango and avocado seeds in mine. In fact just about everything sprout in it. :)

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VF says...
Hi MaryT. No, not growing the seed, I wouldn't have room to plant it or even grow it in a pot. It's in the compost, but easily retrieved if you want it. I don't know if they're mono or polyembryonic.

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MaryT says...
Thanks, VF but I don't have room either. :( I have a couple of Bowen seedlings and they've been sitting there for years doing nothing so maybe they'll go too. I don't think I have the right condition for mangoes, much as I love them. Thank goodness for Paddy's :)

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Jenny says...
Hi VF I was wondering if you could spare some budwood later in the year possibly? I am a very novice grafter (and also have very little room left) but would love to try with your King Thai if you don't mind. Happy to pay postage etc.

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VF says...
No problem MaryT. You are fortunate to be near a decent market. :)

Jenny, of course. Contact vfand3atgmaildotcom

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MaryT says...
VF I can only get to the Haymarket one; it's OK but not exciting. Maybe this weekend I'll hop on a train and go to Flemington. Wonder if they'll have mangoes.

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Jenny says...
Thanks a lot VF email sent. Your description of the King Thai is very tempting!

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VF says...
Got your email Jenny, reply sent.

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Brain says...
VF I'm envious of your success! My tree is slow, I must have picked a growth challenged one. However, hope is eternal. And yes, here's to next mango season. :)

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Tommoz says...
Seeking King Thai (Maha Chanook) plant in NSW or Brisbane area. Thanks

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David says...
Hi Tommoz try Templex nursery at Algester. Run by a lovely couple who know there stuff.Not sure if they post out but are good to pick up from, very healthy trees, aprox,1m high, saw there 2 wks ago. Hope this helps

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ivepeters says...
It seems the marketing push is starting,it looks like a big season starting in NT, with a new name as well.
Mahachanok = King Thai = ' Maha Bliss '

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Ish says...
First fruit from my Dwarf King Thai... still has a few more hanging on the tree. Smaller than anticipated but probably due to tree maturity?

Tree is 3yo, healthy, v hardy (ie survived severe lawn grub attack while still in a pot, drought and all day, full sun exposure at 42 degree temps) and is 2m tall with upright habit (despite my attempts to encourage early branching at 1m, it regrew its central leader and did so when it was good and ready at 1.8m!).

Even for its first attempt, is the tastiest mango I have tried - and I am from QLD, with options.The flesh:seed (prob non-viable) ratio was impressive!
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Markmelb says...
Thats great ish, well done - like to see a pic of your tree? I will be growing mine from next spring in a 38 litre root pruning bag,(see pic with Avo) In these pics the King Thai was very slow to kick new growth as was flushing flowers till end of November and was removing constantly after they were identified as not growth leaves but as you can see it budded just above the graft but still unevenly but will leave as is for now.

After removing centre of the Alphonso it grew 5 perfectly even branches and the Glenn grew 4 perfectly even branches too.
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Ish says...
This is about the best pic I have... you can see the last 2 fruit still ripening. Have heard it called 'rainbow' mango. Maybe this is why? And huge mature leaves! The 4 nice even branches have popped out at 1.8m (and there is almost no sign of where I topped it at 1m); whereas my Glenn branched beautifully at 1m...
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Neptune1 says...
Hi everybody, new to the site, this thread has been great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm looking for a dwarf mango tree and King Thai sounds great. Is it a disease resistant tree when grown around Brisbane?

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Danny333 says...
Any updates on the King Thai / Maha mango trees? Is everyone still having difficulty getting them to branch?

Found these down the market a while ago and thought I’d show them compared to an R2E2. I was impressed by the flavour so I got a tree from Tass1 trees.
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David says...
Was checking out the usual fruit shop at Garden city today and they had Maha Chanok for sale. Will upload pics .The problem with most unknown mango types is local sellers put there own interpretation and name to the mango ,so wrong and confusing.

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Bangkokii says...
It's easy to recognise mahachanaok, it has a very strong scent, very fruity and i smell carrots in it.

No other thai mango has this strong smell.

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Amanda says...
Just to follow up on my King Thai/Mahachanok mango down here in Bunbury in WA: It's turned out to be a star performer - the fruit is large and tastes absolutely superb. The tree is compact and healthy - even in our cooler climate.
It does appear to be a little touchy/sensitive to low boron levels though - so if you have sandy and/or fast draining soils it's a good idea to ensure your fertiliser contains all the micronutrients/trace elements, or you may get small fruits that crack.

Highly recommend this beautiful mango.
(We have a mediterranean climate here - and get the odd very light and brief dusting of frost now and then)


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Bangkokii says...
Are you guys sure that King Thai mango is the mahachanok?

I've seen King mango for sale in Bangkok, Singapore, Penang and those look different than mahachanok in Thailand.

Those were larger, more of a namdocmai shape and not orange but more yellow/green.

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Mango Mike says...
In OZ King Thai Mango was a marketing move by a nursery not Daley's to sell the Ma Ha Chanook mango... They are one & the same in OZ.....

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David01 says...
Hi Bangkokii ,

According to rare fruit club in WA King Thai is Mahachanok. See attached the link for more info.
My King Thai has a long stem when compares to other mango trees. Will find out when it has fruits next year. Cheers

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Amanda says...
These links describe the Thai Mahachanok as yellow-orange with a pink blush. This is what my King Thai mango looks exactly like also. Very strong perfume too...
Also called Rainbow mango here (Aust)

https://www.mangozz.com/maha-chanok/

https://tousgarden.com.au/variety/

&quote;Rainbow mangoes, botanically classified as Mangifera indica, are fruits of a flowering plant and members of the Anacardiaceae family along with cashews and sumac. Also known as Mahachanok and Maha Chinook, Rainbow mangoes are a hybrid variety created from the Thai nang klang wan and the sunset mango cultivars. The Rainbow mango was named after Thai King Bhumipol’s book, Mahajanaka, which is a symbol of sustainability, awareness, and spirit of the country. &quote;




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Mango Mike says...
I do have both the King Thai from the Commercial nursery & the Ma Ha Chanook from the Aust/Qld gene pool.... Both have fruited & both are the same Mango as per figure 2 in Danny333 photo.... In usa they class it as a top tier mango...

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Bangkokii says...
Well all i can say is that in Malaysia/Singapore a King Thai mango does NOT look like a mahachanok.

And King mango in Thailand is also another one than mahachanok.

Lately we can buy the new taiwanese mango varieties, huge ones.

Those are nice but namdocmai still beats them all.

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Markmelb says...
BK - can you put some photos together here of all these mangos as you get them - not from stock internet pics - market pics also welcome - thanks :)

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Linton says...
The local fruit shop here has just got in some of the new Taiwan mangos you mentioned. The shape is like very big nam docs but the price is $30/ kg. Therefore it would cost about $20 for 1 mango so I didn't buy one to try. In any case, I have found that imported mangos are never as good as the locally grown ones from up north that are more fresh.

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Bangkokii says...
Mark if i make pictures on a local market the retailprice will get doubled/tripled because i'll look like a tourist. I speak Thai to them to get the local price.

But in Singapore/Malaysia they just show the price without scamming.

I just ate a jakrapat mango (yu-wen in taiwan) from 1 kg, it's a nice one.

Yesterday i had a red pearl (mook daeng in thai) mango, it has more sour notes and a little off-taste as well.
Those are 600-700 grams each.

I'm after the ping gua wen mango now, it's an apple shaped mango but the vendor only would give it if i bought a whole tree from him.

These new mango's are on markets at the outskirts of BKK, far away from here and it's 38-39 celcius now so i won't go there soon.

That King mango is on the or-tor-kor market in Chatuchak district...next to the weekend market (other side of the road). Mahachanok is on many local markets and supermarkets now.

My favorit is still the green namdocmai but even locals have never heard that name, even old men selling them don't know, also not in thai language. very frustrating but hey it ís what it is..the green namdocmai looks the same as the gold one but has more green colors among yellows.
And if i want a not overly sweet mango i buy the naa-chang (elephant tooth) mango from which i have a tree growing but all the fruit dropped because they grew very crooked like a banana and started rotting in the curve. Maybe it's just too hot for that tree here next to the concrete road in 39 celcius full sun.

If i have new varieties at home i will make a pic.

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Amanda says...
I am pretty confident that I have a mahachonok..if it turns out not to be a &quote;King Thai&quote; mango it won't kill me to be honest :)
It's still an amazing mango with a flavour to die for and I love mine.

(plus: there is a &quote;King mango&quote; in/around Singapore - it seems...not the same as &quote;King Thai&quote; ...
I have no doubt that the mahachanok was named after the King of Thailand...having been there when their King died.)

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Amanda says...
Just picking our fruits now. Lovely timing too - as the commercial season has finished here now and they are not in the shops anymore.

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David01 says...
Hi Amanda,

You King Thai size is very large and looks awesome. How old is your mango tree and what is your min temp in June-August when you said cooler climate?. I have one but may take a year or two to have fruit. Cheers

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Amanda says...
Hi David - it's probably easiest if I link you to the BOM statistics I think (see below) and you can compare them to your averages where you are? Lately it's been around 5C overnight and lovely sunny days - about 20C...no rain yet so still having to use reticulation.
The tree has a nice winter-sunny spot. It's 5years old/in ground now and about 4m tall - but grows a bit wide also as it has a bit of an odd growing habit.
(the bottles/containers contain water - they are just to weight the branches down to slowly bend them more horizontally)


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Bangkokii says...
Amanda you have mahachanoks...

Linton i paid 50 baht for a 1.1 kg red elephant tooth mango and it was superb.

It's not as sweet as namdocmai but that's perfect for me.

red elephant tooth is better than yu-wen imo.

I grow yellow elephant tooth mango's myself but they were very curved and started rotting in the curve...so i have nothing this season from my tree.

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Amanda says...
Thanks for confirming that for me Bangkokii.
It's a stunning mango and we should celebrate it - and share it.

I was lucky enough to be able to score this tree about 5yrs ago - but I have never seen it available in nurseries over here since (unlike Nam Doc Mai)

I am pretty certain that I got some kind of lucky plant from Dawsons - that somehow bypassed Plant Breeder Rights, back then - and I want to share this mango with everyone on the West Coast.
I think it's wonderful that the Thai people named this mango after their King. Totally appropriate - it's going to be a very famous mango - make no mistake.

Nam Doc Mai - move over - there is a better fruit on the scene.








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Amanda says...
I think where the confusion is coming in with this is that the Mahachanok was given the name &quote;King Thai&quote; in Australia. As discussed in other groups - it's about marketing a name.
This is the plant label that came with my Mahachanok, for eg.
Personally I prefer to call it by it's Thai name as it's less confusing and that is it's proper name?
There was some kind of attempt to trademark the name/plant at one stage and also the name Rainbow manngo. But I don't think it was successful - but it's curious that there have been no plants in the nurseries for the past 5yrs - given that it would be a highly sought after selection?
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Bangkokii says...
Amanda in the Thai climate the namdocmai is a better mango...hence we rarely see mahachanok around here but it might go for export a lot.

For namdocmai the green one is better than the golden one but it has issues with splitting when almost ripe.

For me the best mango of the world is the elephant tooth..the yellow one is the best, after that the red one. But those are close to namdocmai, they are all winners.

For your climate the maha might be the best, i dunnow.

If you have too many sweet mango's try making icecream...1 kg sweet mango, 1 kg passionfruit, 250-500 gram yoghurt, pinch of salt and blend it before throwing in the icecreammaker. I don;t blend the passionfruit though, just blend the rest and let the icecreammaker blend it so the pits don't get crushed.

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David01 says...
Hi Amanda
Based on the BOM statistics your mean min temp for the period of June to August is about 2C higher than Essendon Vic where I am living. But the lowest temp during July August is still the same at around -2C. I was wondering how your King Thai cope with -2C? Note: My King Thai is growing in the greenhouse. Cheers


Time: 12th May 2019 10:17pm

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Amanda says...
Hi David and Bangkokii....I have a slightly warmer microclimate than Bunbury city (I am 15km north on the Leschennault inlet) so it has not reached -2C here - not in the 7yrs we have been here anyway.
I think zero is about the lowest so far.
If we do get frost it's not serious because it's brief and only in the early hours of the morning - just before sunrise. I have a lot of big trees here - so this helps ward of frost also...this is what our place look like....
It gets really warm and humid in here in summer - as it's so sheltered.

Bangkokki - is interesting how flavours can be different like that - it's called &quote;terrior&quote; - and I find mangoes do taste different when grown in different soils and different climates.
My favourite West Aussie Kensington Prides - for flavour etc - are grown in Carnarvon (good clay loams) and Harvey also good clay loams - but a much cooler climate. The Harvey area get's frosts and is inland from me. They are the last/latest mangoes to come on to the market here - and they are worth waiting for.
I won't even buy the K.Prides grown in the Northern Territory - they are bland and pretty yukk, in comparison.

The ice-cream sounds divine thanks!
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Time: 13th May 2019 11:47am

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Amanda says...
Tou's garden in the NT are still trying to get some kind of rights over the Mahachanok (?King Thai) variety though?
I am not surprised - but I have actually tasted their fruit and I will say that ours, grown in a more southern climate - are even better?
NT mangoes don't taste great - not compared to QLD and WA...so imagine how good these will taste when grown further south?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2016-07-12/mango-farm-planting-40000-extra-maha-bliss-trees/7558378

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Time: 14th May 2019 10:35pm

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Markmelb says...
Amanda they are only copyrighting the name maha Bliss which is pretty dumb name anyway not the CV itself as theirs isnt distinctly different from King Thai unless they grew this from seed?

Time: 15th May 2019 11:06am

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Bangkokii says...
Well the mahachanok tastes much better than the r2e2 which is for sale here in supermarkets. I know a guy who planted hundreds of those in thailand, i don't understand it though.

We also have clay a lot here but that's fine for mango. Very heavy clay.

Mostly the maha's i see here are orange and sometimes can have the pink blush.
They all have the same smell though, easy to recognise because only maha's smell like that and soo strong.

If there are maha's in a supermarket they are as easy to find as durian.

The r2e2's in our supermarkets are from Oz, but i don't think we'll see aussie maha's there any time.

Time: 15th May 2019 11:51pm

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Bangkokii says...
Here are the mango's in Tops supermarket Bangkok.

1au$=22 baht.

On top are r2e2 and the orange ones are mahachanok.

The red ones are called tubtim mango, never heard of that before.

The large green ones don't have a name (they have to make it up i guess)

On the local markets there are heaps of mango's right now, namdocmai for 30 baht a kg....so i wonder who'll buy them in Tops.


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