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Can anybody help with where I can buy 2 or 3 lady finger banana plants in Perth. I've searched long and wide but without success
Time: 19th July 2009 5:05pm
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Jimmy says...
Bunnings believe it or not.
They stock mostly cavendish, but if you look hard you will find lady finger.
I saw them last summer at Cannington.
(they are only stocked in summer).
Time: 20th July 2009 12:35pm
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Mike says...
Cheers Jimmy, I'll keep an eye out
Time: 20th July 2009 3:52pm
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Allison says...
Am looking for banana trees to plant in Brisbane, can anyone help me get my hands on some????
Time: 14th August 2009 9:12pm
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trikus says...
http://www.backyardbananas.com.au/
Time: 15th August 2009 5:16pm
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kim says...
Allison,
If you are still looking for banana plants, please contact me on hakimchiew@hotmail.com
Time: 17th August 2009 8:23pm
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John I. says...
Hi Eddie, I took a picture of my lady finger bananas on the weekend. This is just over a month after the bananas first appeared (first hand appeared Dec 30). I'm beginning to think they may not ripen before the cold weather hits. If that happens they may have to sit on the plant over winter.
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Time: 7th February 2011 10:42am
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John I. says...
Here is a picture of my hand to put the size of the bunch into perspective.
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Time: 7th February 2011 10:44am
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Steven says...
Hi John
Those bananas look good! much better than the plant in your display picture :). is that the same plant?
Do you have you plant protected at all, it looks like its out in the open.
Ive got 3 cavendish banana plants that ive planted in a greenhouse after being outside in pots for about 3 years but ive always wondered how they go planted out in the ground in Melbourne.
Time: 7th February 2011 12:49pm
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John I. says...
Hi Steven,
My plants are all outside. The plant in my display picture was labeled a Dwarf Red Dacca (jury still out on whether or not it is a Red Dacca or dwarf Cavendish). The first winter I built a frame around it and covered it with some Frost cloth. As you can see in the picture it really did help much.
The attached picture shows the same plant just after last Christmas. You can see the flower on the Lady Finger next to it that produced the bananas above.
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Time: 7th February 2011 1:22pm
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Eddie says...
Looks great John was thinking about ur plant over the weekend mine is still growing looking healthy but no flower as yet. Your bananas should ripen soon they look nice good work. Does the leaves stop growing when the flower comes?
Time: 7th February 2011 3:19pm
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John I. says...
Eddie, no there are no more leaves on the stem after the flower emerges. After the fruit is done the stem dies.
Time: 7th February 2011 3:28pm
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John I. says...
I should rephrase that... no new leaves emerge from the stem after the flower has emerged.
Time: 7th February 2011 5:20pm
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Jason says...
And it's interesting to know for those that don't already that the last leaf is different to the others (wider and shorter) once you see that you can see the bulge in the stem of the flower stalk that follows it up. p.s John that's about the most healthy bunch of bananas I've seen from someone in Melbourne/ish
Time: 7th February 2011 5:22pm
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Eddie says...
Just thought il show mine
1st pic: Is my Super Dwarf Banana
2nd pic: Is my main Banana tree had to bend my leaves back cause i have bird netting on top for my other fruit trees.
3rd pic: Is the trunk of my main banana and the pup the main banana's trunk is the one on the left.
4th pic: Side on pic
My banana trees are just over 2years old been looking after them well they both have suckers that are approx 1 year old the mother plants are both approx 1.5m in height (where the leaves emerge from) not sure if i let the suckers grow 2 early from the mother plant.
My plants are dwarf cavendish for those who dont know
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Time: 7th February 2011 8:13pm
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Steven says...
They are nice looking banana plants. Ive heard stories of someone growing banana trees successfully in doncaster but i was never able to verify it.
Its good to know they can grow that well in Melbourne, maybe ill plant one out in the garden.
Ill post some pictures of mine up when i get the chance. they dies back a bit during winter (probably mostly due to neglect) but they have shot back really well now and they look good.
Time: 7th February 2011 10:57pm
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John I. says...
Thanks Jason, it's good to know I must be doing something right.
Eddie, plants are looking good. But if they are only 1.5 meters (and assuming they are Cool Bananas brand) you may not get fruit until next summer. From what I've read hight is the best indicator of plant maturity and cool bananas web site indicates that the cavendish will grow up to 2.5 meters.
Time: 8th February 2011 1:42pm
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Eddie says...
Hi John they are dwarf cavandish variety got them from a nursery in keysborough it stated that its for cool climates does that mean that they are cool banana brand even if it had dwarf canandish.
Sorry if it seems like a stupid question.
Time: 8th February 2011 6:10pm
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Jason says...
I planted almost every variety cool bananas sell apart from Goldfinger I think. Trust me there's a huuuuge difference in the "cool" in the cool banana's they sell. Some are not cold tolerant at all. Lots of people in Melbourne have had good success with Cavendish, those extra 3c in the city compared to me must make an enormous difference because they grow about nothing.. per year here. But in Melbourne they seem to be booming.
Pretty much only the Ducasse's and Lady Finger grow decently from all the varieties I've tried. I actually planted a Dwarf Ducasse right beside my mums house on the north side for an experiment and it's growing much faster than any I've ever grown out in the paddock
Time: 8th February 2011 8:28pm
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John I. says...
Eddie I was referring to cool bananas brand from Humphries nursery, which are sold through bunnings. You'd expect that they would use tissue culture and that all their dwarf cavendish would be identical. If you got yours somewhere else then they may grow to a different height (possibly smaller).
Time: 8th February 2011 10:20pm
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John I. says...
Jason, have you tried a Blue Java. Mine is growing very fast but I don't know how they will go over winter.
Time: 8th February 2011 10:21pm
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Jason says...
I have tried blue java but it's in a shaded spot (I wanted to see if a banana would grow there) and the result was it didn't grow :). It is still alive though so I could move it, which means it has survived winter as a very small tissue culture plant. I understand it's not a very good tasting banana so I wasn't too worried about what it did or where I planted it
Time: 9th February 2011 12:24pm
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ringelstrumpf says...
Allison, if this is still an interest of you, then you cannot buy banana plants in QLD. You need a special permission which is easy to obtain and then you buy them at special nurseries. But there are thousands of bananas in Brisbane and it is easy to get a sucker somewhere. Just keep you eyes open, sometimes you find them at wastelands or even in parks and you take a sucker.
Time: 9th February 2011 6:44pm
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snottiegobble says...
Had some spare time to waste in Bunnings nursery ( costly exercise) & ended up with a Cavendish after looking at Canarvons which were nearly twice the price. They both claim to fruit in cooler climes?
ringel. do I need 2 trees for pollenation & will they grow in sandy soil?
Time: 10th February 2011 12:41pm
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ringelstrumpf says...
No one tree is enough and they need good soil, best in the chicken run.
Now I have a question to the cool bananas how cold does it get in Melbourne? And do the cool bananas grow or do they fruit?
And the platanos (cooking bananas)?
Time: 14th February 2011 2:23pm
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John I. says...
Hi ringlestrumpf,
If you look at my post above from Feb 7 you will see a picture of my lady finger bananas. It took three years from planting to flowering. It can get to around -3c here in Melbourne during July and August. This burns the leaves but the stem is fine, and growth continues in spring. I haven't tried a plantain, and the bananas I do have are the first I have grown.
Time: 14th February 2011 4:11pm
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ringelstrumpf says...
So nothing for us it get's to minus 5, maybe as a nice inside tree.
Time: 14th February 2011 8:25pm
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Jason says...
Banana's die all the way to the ground at minus 3, minus one takes out all the leaves. Luckily there's heaps of spots around Victoria near the coast that almost never see a temp under zero. Many many days right at zero :) but it doesn't often go under. The cool bananas they sell aren't more cold tolerant than any other banana, they just continue to grow during lower temps than some
Time: 14th February 2011 10:03pm
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John I. says...
You could try creating a micro climate for it. If you have a protected area near a masonry wall where it gets plenty of sunlight, that should do it.
Time: 14th February 2011 10:03pm
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Eddie says...
SUPER EXCITED went to check on my dwarf cavandish bananas and a picture tells a thousand words. Thx heaps for everyones input when i 1st started wealth of knowledge i have claimed. Is there anything i need to do now i know (John I) has helped me a fair bit but might follow what you have been doing when yours flowered.
Cheers Eddie
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Time: 17th February 2011 5:17pm
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John I. says...
Congratulations Eddie... That's great news. How tall is your plant?
Time: 17th February 2011 8:18pm
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Eddie says...
Thx John I, where the leaves emerge is approx 1.6 to 1.7 meters including leaves approx another meter i had planted two next to each other and i think that will flower within a month as well cause where the leaves emerge from it is swelling as well and leaves getting bigger
Time: 17th February 2011 8:30pm
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ben says...
i recently transplanted 5 banana trees and they already look like they are struggling. it has been 2 days, given them fish emulsifier and lots of water but all the leaves look like they are dying. Any tips on how to turn these buggers around from the brink of death? thanks
Time: 25th February 2011 12:56am
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trikus says...
not the sort of thing to transplant really .. unless all foliage removed and you are takibng a sucker off .. here it is reccomended that suckers only be planted in the 'dry' lead up to summer .. sep - nov ... beginners who try and plant suckers in the wet are nearly always disspointed with them rotting .. try chopping off all leaves and not watering until new growth starts ... you have probably rotted off all roots by watering to much.
Time: 25th February 2011 8:27am
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snottiegobble says...
Ben it looks like you may have sweated for nothing mate, but bunnings has plenty of kavendish bananas for around $14 or Canarvon for $23.
Time: 25th February 2011 2:04pm
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Jason says...
I've chopped up a clump, separated it all and got most of the parts to grow again, they don't look happy while they are growing more roots but I found so long as each piece has at least one root it'll go, even without roots if it's a nice sized chunk. Might be a different story up in the rainy mouldy tropics but it's pretty easy here. I'm often moving suckers around and they all grow after being droopy for a week or two. Even if the stems die back you usually/always get a new leaf come out eventually one day, even months later
Time: 25th February 2011 3:51pm
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Jess says...
Hey Eddie the way the flower comes out is amazing do you have any other pics at different stages
Time: 27th February 2011 12:50pm
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Eddie says...
Hi Jess i have been taking pictures everyday it seems amazing how it unfolds b4 ur eyes.
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Time: 1st March 2011 9:37pm
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snottiegobble says...
Thats an impressive sight even if there were no bananas to be had at the end of it! Good shots Eddie!
Time: 2nd March 2011 1:06am
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Sally says...
Hi Eddie just been looking on the internet about growing bananas and yours look great what variety are they and it looks very nice how it forms the bananas from the flower. What part of Melbourne are you from?
Time: 2nd March 2011 5:35pm
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Eddie says...
Hi thx for the comments and Sally i live in the South East of Melbourne its worth the wait when it produces just need plenty of food and water in the warmer months and try and protect them in the cooler months with some anti frost netting
Time: 2nd March 2011 7:27pm
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John I. says...
Hi Eddie, nice picks. How many bananas do you have? How many per hand and how many hands? Is this their second or third summer?
Time: 4th March 2011 12:40pm
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Jason says...
You guys in Melbourne are having such good success I think you should have 10 plants in every backyard in the city :). It can be the new Cyclone proof banana capital
Time: 4th March 2011 2:14pm
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Eddie says...
Hi John its the second summer and at the moment there is 5 hands and approx 18 bananas on each hand as per the pictures the first bananas that opened approx 10 days ago seem to be going a light green is this normal the ones i see are dark green the variety is a dwarf cavendish for people that dont know any help would be great.
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Time: 5th March 2011 8:11pm
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trikus says...
should be enough warm weather left to ripen these bunches up , excellent growing and timing Victorian growers ./
Time: 7th March 2011 7:09am
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John I. says...
Eddie, not sure if the bananas turning light green is normal, but they still look healthy. Maybe its just the cold overcast weather we have been having? From what I have read the main thing to watch out for is not to over fertilise as it can burn the bananas.
Great effort getting your bananas to fruit in its second summer. My lady finger fruited in its third summer, and my read dacca planted around the same time still hasn't produced a flower yet. Here's the latest picture of my Lady Finger. The bottom bananas are around 3.5 to 4 inches long.
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Time: 7th March 2011 9:49am
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Eddie says...
Hi John they are looking nice mate hopefully they will ripen soon good to know about the fertilise issue i am giving it 1 watering can with seasol every week and watering when required so i think that should be enough for the time being.
Time: 7th March 2011 7:54pm
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Eddie says...
Just a question my bananas are doing well on the hand that is opening up at the moment you can see in the pictures that the fruit is very small if any just beginning to give just the little flowers does this mean its at the end of the fruiting cycle and if so how long should i leave the stork after the last bunch of bananas and do i just cut the main flower off and will it heal properly sorry about all the questions just want to do it properly.
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trikus says...
Jason in Portland , Java Blue are one of the best tasting bananas around imho
though these things are pretty personal ,
some people like cavendish !
Time: 12th March 2011 9:17am
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Brendan says...
Hi Eddie,
photo 1 is still making banana 'hands', don't cut 'bell' off yet :-)
Time: 12th March 2011 9:28am
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John I. says...
Hi Eddie, when your sure it has finished producing fruit cut the bell off leaving about 20cm of stem. Best cut on a slight angle so any rain will just drip off. When you cut it will start dripping sap that will stain your cloths so be careful. The cut will start to heel after a couple days. If you want to trim the bottom hands just snap them off by hand.
Time: 12th March 2011 8:07pm
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Lachlann says...
I like to leave the bell on. It continues to flower, producing male flowers, which smell nice and feed the honey-eaters. I still get good fruit, though I suspect commercially somone must have found some advantage in cutting them off..... maybe like those poor sheep and bull's -----.
Time: 12th March 2011 9:51pm
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snottiegobble says...
You mean wethers & steers with high voices Lachlann?
Thanks for all the info & photos folks, my cavendish has only been in the ground a month & there is a pup already. Suppose it has to be cut off?
Time: 14th March 2011 1:14am
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Eddie says...
Hi Snottiegobble i have a dwarf cavendish and left the 1st pup on it i thought after a while that it would be sucking energy from the mother plant but after 2 summer as mentioned it flowered but i always cleared the other pups that were emerging. Goodluck and enjoy
Time: 14th March 2011 1:21am
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Brendan says...
Hi SG,
I'd leave the sucker, wait 'till it grows a bit, then plant it out. Don't worry, more suckers will appear :-)
Time: 14th March 2011 8:23am
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Just moved to a new property and found a banana tree with many bananas on it. Then I realised they were lady fingers. The fruit on one of the bunches looked quite large so my husband cut it down and we hang it in the shade although it gets plenty of light. Can anyone tell me if I've done the right thing in my pursuits of ripening the bananas? and if not....what should I do?
Time: 15th March 2011 11:54am
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John Mc says...
If they've lost that squarish look about them and are round and plump, you're going to get sick of bananas over the next 2 to 3 weeks. Even if the bottom ones are small they still taste ok after they turn yellow.
Time: 15th March 2011 2:52pm
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Lilli says...
Thanks John. Am I hanging them in the right place? Under an awning..no direct sun, however lots of light? and how long do they take to ripen?
Time: 17th March 2011 8:49am
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trikus says...
If you cut some fruit off the bunch and put them in a plastic bag with a ripe banana , this will speed up the ripening process .. ethylene gas given off the ripe fruit does this . It usually takes about 2-3 days . If the whole bunch ripens at once many fruits can get wasted , and hard to remove from bunch without breaking skin . Having the bunch hanging up makes it easy to 'de-hand' a very difficult process that calls for an extremely sharp knife . I usually use a good pair of sharp secateurs or a serrated knife .
Time: 17th March 2011 9:09am
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Eddie says...
This is a pic i took yesterday about 3 hands are producing tiny bananas does this mean that they the male flowers have started and if i leave them a few hands on can i still eat them.
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Time: 27th March 2011 9:05pm
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Brendan says...
Hi Eddie,
I don't go along with the 'male flowers' bit, they're all female flowers (on the bunch) to me. (trikus will know).
I wouldn't remove the 'bell' yet, but yes, you can eat the contents, fried in butter with salt & pepper, or in a stir-fry :-)
Time: 28th March 2011 8:45am
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trikus says...
Eddie , I always wait until a few cms of stem with no hands appear so as to get a hand hold on the bunch when removing .
Have heard that the best bell for eating is on a Ducasse .. Luke Nguyen gave an interesting recipe . First time I saw it mentioned was in Charmain Solomon's Complete Asian cookbook in the Burmese section [ I think }
Time: 28th March 2011 9:09am
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Eddie says...
Thx again i will take some photos in the next few weeks and get an update what to do cant stress enough the appreciation
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Time: 28th March 2011 10:27pm
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John I. says...
Here's my Lady Finger bananas 3 months after the first hand appeared (30th Dec 2010). Looks like they may need to sit on the plant over winter.
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Time: 30th March 2011 12:51pm
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Eddie says...
They look great John hope they will ripen b4 winter for you i think mine will be ready by mid spring going by how long yours have taken to grow waiting in anticipation is half the fun as well.
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Time: 30th March 2011 2:38pm
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trikus says...
John , they look to be filling out nicely .
Cut a few fruit off the top hand and force ripen them to see how they taste .
Time: 30th March 2011 8:05pm
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Brendan says...
Another way of forcing bananas to ripen, is place about 4 bananas in a plastic (or paper) bag with an apple, and leave for 4 to 5 days till ripe. Seems to make them sweeter.
Time: 31st March 2011 6:30am
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John I. says...
Trikus, everything I've read say's to wait until the flower tips on the bananas dry up so that they rub off easily before picking. Mine aren't at that stage yet. Are you suggesting it might be better to pick them early than to let them ripen over winter?
Time: 31st March 2011 9:57am
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trikus says...
John , it cant hurt to pick just a few to see how they taste . Some bunches i picked before Yasi were very immature and still eventually ripened .
Time: 31st March 2011 11:07am
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John I. says...
Thanks Trikus. I guess I was hoping for that home grown, fresh, tree ripened experience. I suppose it cant hurt to try a few now though... you've talked me into it. :0)
Time: 31st March 2011 11:19am
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trikus says...
Many growers up here insist that bunches must be picked before they start ripening .
Suppose for commercial growers you could not send ripe fruit to market . as it would be rotten before getting there .
Some types will split if left to hang on for to long [ maybe to much rain also does this ]
You will not regret picking a few fruits early . Think of it as practice , and spreading the crop out . Keep an eye on the bunch , you never know when a rouge flock of cockatoos may decide to attack it .. many other birds seem to be attracted as well .
Time: 1st April 2011 2:55pm
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Brendan says...
trikus,
There used to be a shed in Mackay called 'Mackay Banana Ripeners'. They wouldn't let me in for a look, as they said it was too dangerous!? I think they used a gas to force ripen bananas?
I don't think it's there anymore, but I'll check.
What gas do they use?
Time: 2nd April 2011 9:02am
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trikus says...
Brendan , its only ethylene gas afaik .
And should not be to harmfull to humans ... ooops WRONG !! GOOGLE FOUND THIS .
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ethylene oxide itself is a very hazardous substance: at room temperature it is a flammable, carcinogenic, mutagenic, irritating, and anaesthetic gas with a misleadingly pleasant aroma.
So no wonder they would not let you in !
Ripening fryuits give off small amounts of this gas , and out in the open it should not be harmfull .. its present in pbm thats parts per billion I think ..
Time: 2nd April 2011 12:39pm
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snottiegobble says...
Hell, Ill be planting more bananas after that info!!
Time: 2nd April 2011 1:06pm
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John Mc says...
I ws a bit surprised by the ethylene subject, so I did a bit of digging.
Commercial ripening rooms use "catalytic generators", to make ethylene gas, from a liquid supply of ethanol. Typically, a gassing level of 500 ppm to 2,000 ppm is used, for 24 to 48 hours
It's also a plant hormone.
Ethylene is oxidized to produce ethylene oxide, a key raw material in the production of surfactants and detergents. Not the variant used in fruit ripening.
There's many chemical variants of Ethylene
Alkylation- which is part of the polystyrene making process
Halogenation- which makes PVC plastics.
There's a whole lot more,
Major industrial reactions of ethylene include in order of scale: 1) polymerization, 2) oxidation, 3) halogenation and hydrohalogenation, 4) alkylation, 5) hydration, 6) oligomerization, and 7) hydroformylation
Time: 2nd April 2011 3:49pm
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trikus says...
A small ripening room at a farm I used to get my fruit from was a 20' shipping container with a gas bottle feeding into it.
Time: 2nd April 2011 5:04pm
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Wayne says...
They certainly have come a long way from the carbide ripening room, add water and close the door quickly
Time: 2nd April 2011 7:06pm
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John I. says...
I picked a couple bananas last weekend and placed them in a plastic bag with a couple of apples. They are very small still but they ripened ok.
The texture was good. The flavour was subtle with a slight apple taste. No starchy after taste.
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Time: 9th April 2011 8:48am
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Brendan says...
Hi John,
Next time try 5 or 6 bananas with 1 apple :-)
Time: 10th April 2011 8:12am
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John I. says...
Brendan, not sure if you're implying that the apple aftertaste is the result of the high apple to banana ratio but I'll give it a shot.
Time: 11th April 2011 5:10pm
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sophie Tajouri - Network says...
Hi, I have 6 or 7 fully grown banana trees in my backyard that I want to get rid off, the are lady fingers bananas and a lot of them.
I also have a fully grown palm tree and mango trees.
Time: 12th May 2011 12:44pm
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sophie says...
Hi, I have 6 or 7 fully grown banana trees in my backyard that I want to get rid off, the are lady fingers bananas and a lot of them.
I also have a fully grown palm tree and mango trees.
Time: 12th May 2011 12:45pm
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sophie says...
Hi, I have 6 or 7 fully grown banana trees in my backyard that I want to get rid off, the are lady fingers bananas and a lot of them.
I also have a fully grown palm tree and mango trees.
Time: 12th May 2011 12:45pm
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Soori says...
Where are you, I can help with banana (ladies finger) mean I need the plants, if in Perth.
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Time: 12th May 2011 1:39pm
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sophie says...
Hi, I have 6 or 7 fully grown banana trees in my backyard that I want to get rid off, the are lady fingers bananas and a lot of them.
I also have a fully grown palm tree and mango trees.
Time: 12th May 2011 4:21pm
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snottiegobble says...
Sophie, is there a chance youre going bananas?? :)
Time: 12th May 2011 10:28pm
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trikus says...
WORST POSSIBLE TIME TO dig up suckers as not as much growth in colder weather . Best time [ DPI ] early spring before the wet .
CAn be difficult to remove a stand/stool of bananas . D5 is great , or a tablespoon of kero into each eye after hacking of trunk .
Just had a look at my patches . saw another 2 bunches coming . and small bunch of Bluggoe filling out nicely . Blue Java stand looking a bit sorry ,best looking is Ducasse towering over all other stands with a masive bunch over 6m up. .
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Time: 13th May 2011 5:59am
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amanda says...
Lol - all that green hurts my eyes! Nice looking plants trikus (as usual!)
Time: 13th May 2011 8:56am
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sammy says...
Hi, good info',how do I grow banna plant,cool climate?
Time: 23rd May 2011 1:54pm
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