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Ellen starts with ...
Does any one know what this fruits in these pictures are called, and can they be planted in Sydney ?


the flesh taste like ice cream, very sweet, it have a massive single seed inside, very strong scented of lansonnes . The inside of the skin taste very sweet and sour.

1st when i bought it I thought it was loquat, and I was in a hurry, didn't bother to ask the shop owner what it was .
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Time: 12th December 2009 5:19pm

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trikus says...
looks like one of the Garcinias , maybe 'bacupari' G .gardneriana.

Time: 12th December 2009 6:55pm

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Mish says...
Hi Ellen

I agree with Trikus, it looks like a garcinia, try this one...
garcinia livingstonei, imbe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garcinia_livingstonei



Time: 12th December 2009 7:14pm

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Michael says...
Hi Ellen,
I tasted this fruit before and it was very tasty . I tried looking for to purchase this plant to grow before but with no luck. I think the common name for this fruit is the Australian Mangosteen or Achacha. There is a site below that you can get more information on. Also search Achacha in Daley's search for past posts about this fruit.

http://www.achacha.com.au

Time: 12th December 2009 7:34pm

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Ellen says...
Thank yous for the infos guys.



Time: 12th December 2009 10:23pm

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trikus says...
Very good advice from GRIN , many pictures found on google are very dubious . * Images Note: Be advised that their identity may be inaccurate. Proper identification of a plant may require specialized taxonomic knowledge or comparison with properly documented herbarium material.


Time: 12th December 2009 10:43pm

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Ellen says...
Michael

if this is the yellow mangosteen, is this the one Rich meant? when he said that he saw they have it out at the Sydney botanical garden ?

Time: 13th December 2009 9:00am

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HappyEarth says...
Hi Ellen .. No, this is different to the yellow mangosteen at the Sydney Botanical Gardens. As Michael says, this is most likely achacha. I wonder if it could be grown in Sydney? Can you buy these in cabramatta?

Rich
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Time: 13th December 2009 9:25am

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Michael says...
Hi Ellen,
I know what you mean when you have to go back and buy some more. I bought some last year for $10 a kilo at the fruit store at Canly Heights thinking it was a loquat. I had to come back that afternoon to get some more.If you leave it in the fridge for awhile and eat it slightly cold then the taste is divine. I rate this fruit highly up there with the Rambutans and Mangosteens.
The website does not sell the tree but only tells you where to buy the fruit. I will let you know if I ever get my hands on a tree. Maybe we can try germinating the seeds from the fruits purschased ?

Time: 13th December 2009 10:02am

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Ellen says...
Michael

I bought these yesterday at Yung Lee in Cabramatta for $8/kg. I think they have some more in their fridge.

Time: 13th December 2009 10:07am

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Ellen says...
I think it would be best if we buy the tree from a nursery, as we are not up their with our grafting skill Michael, hihihi

as I've read this achacha tree, they either are a female or a male tree, so the one that fruited mostly are grafted one.

I think i'll see if Daleys will have and grab a yellow mangosteen and see .

Time: 13th December 2009 10:12am

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Violet Cactus says...
Here's a link to info about Achacha

http://lifesafeast.com.au/blog/achacha-the-amazonian-fruit-now-grown-in-australia/

Time: 13th December 2009 2:17pm

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Ellen says...
Thanks Violet

the link you've provided also referral to the link provided above by Michael.


Rich

You've got to try it, especially leaving it in the fridge for a while then eating it, as Michael recommended. NICEEEEE :-)

Time: 13th December 2009 4:55pm

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Kanga says...
This is a protected fruit variety so you will need to get a license to grow the fruit - but in any case the trees take about 8 years to mature. They will not fruit in Sydney, they originate from the Amazon rainforest and need similar conditions to grow. So far Australia is the only place outside Bolivia where they are commercially cultivated, so we are really very lucky. The season is relatively short, so buy up now. They freeze well.

Time: 31st January 2010 1:44pm

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trikus says...
protected fruit variety!! Never heard of this . If it has been improved by selective breeding and a PVR registered maybe .I doubt this has been done . Achacha is the common name used in South America , and no claims made on the web site of the Co. selling the fruit , so....

Time: 31st January 2010 8:20pm

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Berto Nogueira says...
This fruit is called Achachairu and it is native to Santa Cruz, Bolivia. It is been cultivated in northeast Brazil also. The botanical name is garcinia laterifolia. I had the pleasure of getting a box with 4 kg of achachairu from the biggest producer of achachairu from Recife, Brazil while visiting Brazil this past January 2010. The fruit is delicious and is been called "The Bolivian Mangosteen". If you want to contact Mr. Romero the producer in Brazil, please send me an email bertonsilva@hotmail.com I am Brazilian and I cultivate rare tropical fruits in south Florida.

Time: 17th February 2010 11:01am

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BJ says...
they didn't have any at the market in town today! My favorite snack! :(

Time: 17th February 2010 2:09pm

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trikus says...
A PVR has been granted for this species .
Seems that some selective breeding has been done in South America . BUT .. does this mean we are not allowed to grow it ??
I doubt it .. usually this means other people are not allowed to sell plants propagated . BUT it would be up to the holder of the PVR to prove that plants are identical to his . A mate spent a fortune on his RED Venus fly trap , only to have several other retailers mass propagate and change name ..

Time: 16th March 2010 5:22pm

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BJ says...
Daley's has them listed as 'in production'.

I kept a few seeds and was going to try raising them, but lost interest after I learnt I'd need a M&F tree...

Time: 16th March 2010 5:35pm

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John Mc says...
Looks like the season has finished. I went to the local Harris Farm market (one of the companies listed on the Achacha web site) with a wiew of trying them out and getting a few seeds. None available till next season. I'll be keeping an eagle eye out for them.

Time: 19th March 2010 6:17pm

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Rev says...
if you growy it from seed then its not covered PBR
in fact im suprised it is covered by PBR
to be so itd have to be a significant discovery different to the standard type for the species
if its not then the PBR can be challenged and overturned

besides if theyve taken it from brasil, and then patented it, thats clearly Biopiracy and shame on them.
if that were the case maybe brasil will sue them.

more likley theyll have trademarked the name. Thats the way to do it.
butthat means little, you just use the original name when selling seeds, fruit or plants, or a new one!


ah so ridiculous. people trying to rule other peoples lives...

its the kind of seed, like a mango, avo or citrus that you will prob find growing out of old compost heaps in a few years

Time: 7th May 2010 6:23pm

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recher says...
the attempt at PVR'ing this species is outrageious and not conforming tothe rules but the bureaycarcy involved in approving is easily scammed.

the fruit is yummy but no more yummy than a lot of fruit sthat never made it big commercially.

in the long run this fruit will not be a big player because it has a lousy seed:flesh ratio



Time: 22nd May 2010 5:01am

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Rev says...
One interesting thing
i now have about 10 plants from seed bought at rustys markets

the interesting thing as that several seeds were polyembryonic and clearly the result of spomictic seed developmnet from the non sexual parts
(segments broke apart)

bastards...
http://pbr.ipaustralia.plantbreeders.gov.au/plant_detail.cfm?AID=2845999

this is all wrong.
there is nothing special about this plant to justify PBR status
its exactly the same fruit as straight out of the Jungle
and same as being sold by O/s nurseries
http://www.montosogardens.com/garcinia_brasiliensis.htm

well at least that gives me confidence to ignore their invalid claim.
come sue me, you will lose.

somebody needs to put a hot stick up those rubber stamp idiots at the PBR register



Time: 22nd June 2010 4:29pm

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Rev says...
heres what some do
some have only one seedling per seed from waht looks like the germ end (sexual?)
others like this clearly have seedlings forming all over


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Time: 24th June 2010 2:38am

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Bucko says...
I'm interested in growing one of the other garcinias; like
livingstonei (African)
forbesii (Kandis)
prainiana (Button)
Are these even available in Australia? Does anybody have any experiance growing them?

Time: 24th June 2010 10:23pm

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trikus-laptop says...
spp you mentioned are in the country
African sp. has been seen by a mate , must check on location .
I am on a mission to source as many as I can .

Time: 25th June 2010 9:19am

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Rev says...
Theres quite a few up here in north qld

Theres a G dulcis at James cook university that fruits
i took home a fruit, ended up throwing it in the worm farm and had the things keep coming up everywhere. silly me i didnt keep any

also a yellow mangosteen
http://www.capetrib.com.au/yellowmangosteen.htm
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/yelmangosteen.htm
in one of the public gardens
they taste ok, sour and sweet - like 'acid drops' lollies

And ive seen G cambodgia? with the unusual winged fruits in mosman

id be keen on Asam Gelugor (Garcinia atroviridis)
http://www.fruitipedia.com/Asam%20gelugor_Garcinia_atroviridis.htm
its in a rendang recipe id like to try


Time: 26th June 2010 3:35am

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recher says...
brisbane too cold for prainiana

rev why do you believe its dulcis at james cook?



Time: 12th July 2010 6:37pm

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Rev says...
due to this
http://www-public.jcu.edu.au/discovernature/plants_t/JCUDEV_013149

you agree? mis'IDs happen everywhere incl unis and bot gardens!

i walk past it often

Time: 14th July 2010 12:50am

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recher says...
here is the email of the guy in charge of PVR for Garcinia humilis.

doug.Waterhouse@ipaustralia.gov.au

His reaction is to put more pressure on me for the facts of my objection than is required of the applicant and get ready for this! To officially object they want me to pay a $100 fee!

I asked do i get a refund if my objection is upheld? I urge all those concerned about PVR for this Garcinia to email the guy.

Also Its not even G. humilis which is on application as humilis is not indigenous to Bolivia.

Time: 14th July 2010 5:24am

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recher says...
The PVR has not been decided. Will be within three months OBJECT NOW

Time: 14th July 2010 5:25am

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trikus says...
Much confusion re names of Garcinias , seems PVR application has used the name G.humilis , but Paul feels it is incorrect .

Time: 28th November 2010 10:21am

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trikus says...
Just had Christmas Dinner for Rare Fruits Australia Cassowary Branch , and a few of the pioneer members turned up . It was great to talk to them about the early collecting trips and what exotic fruits they are growing . One member has a great collection of Garcinia and Rheedia . He likes to keep them separated AS the South American ones are different . He has the real Madrono as pictured on Daleys label and many other ones . Hope we can have a field trip to his property sometime middle of next year

Time: 28th November 2010 6:34pm

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recher says...
the PVR is not g. humilis

I never formally objected. Not becuase of the $100 required to object.

In the end, I realized 1) wrong ID
2)The species does not come true from seed. It is not G. mangostana. It is like all other Garcinias. Seedlings are remarkably close to parents but genetically different.

Therefore there is nothing stopping anyone form growing on seed, selling plants, marketing fruit, etc.

Time: 30th November 2010 4:20am

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OllieGarcinia says...
Hi Rev,

Did you manage to find G. atroviridis (asam gelugor) somewhere in Aussie?

Ollie

Time: 11th November 2016 3:59pm

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