Which fig variety is best in these three? (forum)

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Glad I found this site, I wasn't aware of Daleys until now..

Last week I bought Brown Turkey and White Adriatic fig variety from local Bunnings. Brown Turkey is already more than one meter in height but no fruits (but looks like it will fruit soon as I can see tiny buds near leafs) but White Adriatic is only 1 feet in height but already got 7-8 young fruits on it. Somewhere here I have read White Adriatic is more tasty but more suitable for cooler climate. That Bunnings store also have Black Genoa variety which seems to be more popular as I read it here now. Can someone tell me which one has best taste among these three? Has anyone successfully grown White Adriatic in Brisbane weather? how does it tastes? I can still return/exchange my purchase in Bunnings, so please help.

What I'm after is any fig variety which tastes great and produces lots of fruits each yr :) I must mention that I'm going grow them in pots due to limited space in my garden...

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Time: 18th January 2012 10:14pm

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Jason says...
White adriatic is famously famous for being a very tasty fig. It took me years to find one but no fruit yet as the tree I finally found had been in a pot for years and was stuffed. I took an air layer of it though and that's doing well, it should be fine in Brisbane

Time: 18th January 2012 11:12pm

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db says...
Thanks a lot Jason for ur reply.. I'll keep White Adriatic then.. What size is ur pot for ur adriatic? I'm thinking to plant it in around 90L size pot, will that be enough to produce fruit?

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MaryT says...
Hi db, I have a White Adriatic and a Black Genoa in pots and they are both fruiting. The Black Genoa is three times more vigorous and has four times the number of fruit. There is some mottling of leaves at the moment and I have to find out what's wrong with them.
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MaryT says...
This is the first time they fruited after they arrived as bare sticks of about 8 inches three years ago.

Pic 1: White Adriatic in 40cm? pot
Pic 2: Fruit on White Adriatic
Pic 3: (Foreground) Fruit on Black Genoa (see leaf)
Pic 4: Another branch on Black Genoa (six ft. tall in 50cm pot)

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MaryT says...
Sorry I didn't answer your question re taste; they are not ripe enough to eat :) I'll let you know if the local wildlife don't get there first.

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MaryT says...
BTW I pruned off a branch of the Black Genoa last winter and stuck it in a pot - it is now a new tree so if you'd like a stick let me know in winter at tngmry at yahoo dot com dot au.

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db says...
Hi MaryT,

Thanks a lot for your reply. So which one will be better in Black Genoa and Brown Turkey? Should I exchange my Brown Turnkey with Black Genoa? My local Bunnings currently have black genoa with couple of fruits on it. I have read brown Turkey will fruit twice a year but I'm not sure how many yearly fruits compared to black Genoa.. Any idea? Also which tastes better?

Thanks again

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MaryT says...
I don't have Brown Turkey so I can't advise you about that, though I heard it's delicious. Why not take a look at what others say in their "Edibles" entries? Click it on the list (top left of page).

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amanda says...
I have been told Black genoa is better than brown turkey. Haven't tasted black genoa. I have a Brown Turkey. I think it's great...but I often find it hard to get the fruit fully moist inside (if that makes sense?) Often the very centre is a bit dry.

I give it heaps of water - so I don't know why this happens.

Anyway - it's prolific and the fruit are very large. The taste is lovely, to me.

Sorry I can't help more re: taste comparison.

I posted a link to an American Fig 'expert' comments in the form here somewhere - and he gave B.turkey the thumbs down...?? If u use the search feature you may be able to find the thread it is in.

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Aaron says...
I bought my White Genoa in Aug 2009 as a stick about 2 feet tall.

For the first year it was in a 90L pot and was transplanted to the ground in Winter 2010. Wasn't much fruits developed as it lacked watering.

But this year, watering has been constant and have been plucking figs everyday to avour after dinner.

It is creamy with a slight pink on the inside while it is greenish yellow on the outside. Still learning when is the right time to harvest!! :)

Definitely taste better than Brown Turkey.

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Jason says...
White Genoa and White Adriatic are different variates. White Genoa is performing well for me so far and tastes pretty good but by all accounts isn't as good as White Adriatic which is why I have ended up with both :). I also have Excel which is another White fig and also pretty good (big upright tree that one).

Black Genoa is supposed to be better than Brown Turkey I have 2 trees of one of those but I forget which, either way it doesn't ripen in time before Winter here very often. I doesn't seem possible to have a bad fig, just some are better than others :). All mine are in the ground



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db says...
Hi MaryT,

I have sent you an email.

Cheers

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Db says...
Yesterday I picked up our first fig of White Adriatic variety, I was expecting it to be very good in taste, it was good but exactly same like what I normally get from fruit market, it even looked same.. It was no where near to strawberry flavour.. When I google for white adricatic fig pics, I can see totally different figs than mine. I imagine mine is not white Adriatic. Outside became dark blakish brown in colour (like black genoa) when i picked it, it should be yellow in colour when fully ready, isn't it? Is mine not white adriatic? I bought it from Bunnings and that time they had only this white Adriatic plant which I bought and other variety like brown turkey and black genoa they had that time looked different than white adriatic so that time I was sure it must be white adriatic :( :(

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john says...
Be aware that the naming of figs is not consistent. In fact it is downright confused. The same fig is called something else by another grower.

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john says...
I'm a big fan of Preson's Prolific.

Time: 11th April 2012 10:23am

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Db says...
Hmm, i hope it's not the case with Daleys fig plants. I'm going avoid Bunnings from now onwards for any fruit plants.I have read lot of similar stories here.

Still I don't think that mine is black genao ( even fruit looked similar) which is fast grower, mine is not fast growing.

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John I. says...
Db, if the trunck is dark then it is probably black genoa. If the trunk is grey then its probably brown turkey.

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Db says...
Trunk is light brown in colour. its not dark or grey.. Photo is here - http://plant.daleysfruit.com.au/l/help-looks-like-i-made-newbie-mistake-7700.jpeg

Whats White Adriatic's trunk like or any other way to identify it?

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peter says...
a white adriatic has green skin and
dark red flesh, mine tastes exactly like
strawberry jam.

black genoa has dark skin and dark red flesh.



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John I. says...
My guess would be brown turkey. The trunk on my black genao is much darker.

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Db says...
This is the photo of that fig that I picked couple of days back which I expected to be white Adriatic as per Bunnings label, unfortunately it's something else... Looks like its black genoa fig but tree is not fast growing.. Does anyone know what variety I got from these photos, In future I will be adding more fig trees in my collection but I don't want 2 trees of same variety :)
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Db says...
Can anyone guess what variety of fig I got from above photo?

Time: 12th April 2012 7:10am

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john says...
It's a little anemic but it looks like Black Genoa.

Time: 12th April 2012 7:20am

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Dave says...
I would agree with John, it could be many of the darker fruit varieties but if its from bunnies then it would likely be a Black genoa, they also sell Brown turkey but I would expect more 'Brown tones'. The White Adriatic in my orchard has fruit which have just ripened on their 'hegos' crop, the skin is quite light green with some even a yellow hue. They are very delicious and do taste like a melting strawberry! Its not a big tree and tends to have a grey to light coloured bark on most of it. The other variety I tried from my place this year for the first time is the 'St.Dominique Violette', it was super sweet and a lovely texture, fresh it is almost too sweet and with ice-cream it is amazing. The others I like are Excel, Prestons Prolific and Black Adriatic. Actually most figs I've tried I really liked, some are just a bit sweeter than others and juicier . I did have a few bad ones from one tree but i think they had a bad season, they were quite dry and gritty in the centre and the flavour was okay but mealy and I think it was a Genoa but thats not to say it can't be good in right conditions.

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Db says...
Thanks John and Dave for the reply.. I'm really upset with this Bunnings purchase as mine is not White Adriatic as per the label, When I purchased it, that time that Bunnings store had Black Genoa and Brown Turkey plants as well which were all at least 3 times bigger than this 'white adriatic :( Anyway...

I'm going to stick with Daleys for next purchase..

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john says...
Black genoa is not bad ;main trouble is that it can be quite runny and a lot of the fruit does not ripen in the season and just sits there.

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Db says...
I agree John, Black Genoa is not bad, as I said above fruit was tasty.. It's just I expected it to be White Adriatic so I'm bit upset.. I'm growing it in a large pot (90L), so it will be restricted anyway, so no worries..

In future I plan to add White Adriatic and Preston Prolific, can I get some cuttings of your PP John? :)

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MaryT says...
I have a white adriatic sitting there right now and the fruit I did eat were tasteless compared to the Black Genoa.

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Db says...
MaryT, it may not white adriatic then :)

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MaryT says...
That's it, Db, we can only rely on the nursery's label.
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Db says...
I was just kidding MaryT... yeah I was also relying on that Bunnings label but I was unlucky in this case.. Anyway, whatever variety it is, fruit was good, specially considering first fruit.. I'm sure it will get better n better in next few seasons.. Is yours (White Adriatic) from Daleys or some other nursery?

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MaryT says...
Glad to hear that the fruit was good, Db. Yes, that's all that matters. I'm sure both my figs were from Diggers, mere twigs (think thin pencil) when they arrived but well, after years of waiting they are now both fruiting. The White Adriatic fig is disappointing in that it is tasteless but the black genoa had decent fruit comparable to what you can buy. If I can't figure out a way to improve the flavour of the White it's getting the chop.

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J says...
Dave,
I bought a St.Dominique Violette fig from diggers a couple of years ago. Been pretty disappointed so far. Each year it gets a bunch of fruits that go dark and soft and fall off when I open them they are immature and white inside. I was 3/4 convinced to take it out this year and try something else. Thought it might have been one of the types that need pollination. How long did you have to wait to get fruit? Seems like it might be worth keeping it based on your description.

I've also got an excel and picone (great fig best I've tasted)

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Dave says...
Hey J
My St.Dom is only a young tree also. The first crop it did something similiar and produced small immature fruit. This year i got maybe 8 good sized figs that were nice. I'm fairly sure its self fertile, I would say give it a bit longer, the seasons the last 18 months are a bit tricky for figs anyway. Summer rains at set will make fruit drop. I'd say by year 4 it should be a good producing tree.
Yet to try the Picone...sounds good.
MaryT, thats a shame about your 'White' as this is one of my fave figs...maybe sweeten the soil! Figs generally like a more alkaline soil so dolomite lime or similiar might help, I only add a little compost once a year as they need very little attention after the first 3 years or so.

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MaryT says...
Thanks for the advice, Dave - just picked up this thread again as I am trying to research the Excel. My Black Genoa did well last season so I'm encouraged to get more figs. If the White Adriatic does not produce good fruit again I will give it the chop but I will try dolomite/lime first; I will also repot it to something bigger. I have ordered the picone and waiting for availability.

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MaryT says...
Both White Adriatic and Brown Turkey are producing sweet fruit at the moment. My WA does not change much in colour as it ripens so I have to give it a squeeze to determine its ripeness. My favourite is still the Black Genoa, which is less sweet but more flavoursome.
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ivepeters says...
So what do you think did the trick with the WA ? You were planning on giving it the chop if it didnt improve , Or was just first time fruiter syndrome.

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MaryT says...
First time thing, I think, ivepeters. I did pot it up and gave it a better position but didn't do anything different otherwise. Maybe it heard me when I said I would give it the chop. :)

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ivepeters says...
More than Likely.
We should threaten them more often.
I'll do that with my B.G fig its taken a holiday while the next to it B.T fig is bursting with new figs.
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MaryT says...
Funny how they behave so differently in our gardens. My BG (in pot) was first off the rank, very big and prolific (100g fruit; yum) and its cutting grown offspring is already bigger than it (being in the ground) and fruiting!

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ivepeters says...
As long as they produce enough, they are safe from elimination.

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MaryT says...
After a few days of hot temperature I noticed this morning that the Brown Turkey has pushed out more fruit. Wonder if they would ripen as the cooler temperatures sets in.

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Jason says...
Mary my figs still ripen in May with max temps around 13c and no leaves on the tree. Soon after they are fully dormant

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MaryT says...
Thanks, Jason. That sounds great - figs till May! The Black Genoa also has young fruit on it.

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peter 1000 says...
hi all,
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Keen Fruit Grower says...
Where did you obtain the St Dominique Violet fig, because it is not easy to locate, & the quality of fruit trees from Diggers Club leave a lot to be desired. Such poor stock & badly grafted, one has to ask whether they employ the services of a butcher.

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Keen Fruit Grower says...
These two varieties are the usual stock standard figs grown in Australia, & many other varieties are often passed off under these names as well. There are man varieties to which one can choose from. In terms of suppliers I would recommend very highly Yalca Fruits which do grow & supply trees that can grow in your climate http://www.yalcafruittrees.com.au/).

Most fig trees should grow in your area & they can be trained to grow & remain in a pot for years. In actual fact I have an heirloom variety that my great grandfather saved from his farm in Turkey before escaping as a refugee to Greece (the farm was destroyed in the 1923 genocides). Subsequently my father got clearance to bring it out here to Australia from Greece.

It does not have a name as such, but it is a tree which under warm conditions bears two crops a year. The fruit is very large and light green with a soft edible skin which is just as sweet as the inside of the fruit. The inside of the fruit is a dark red which is very moist oozing with syrup.

It tolerates many soil conditions, but seems to do best in a hot dry climate growing amongst rocks with very little soil. In Australia it grows best in WA, SA & Mildura, but it can grow virtually anywhere in Australia.

It is a tough & vigorous tree, but it can be trained to grow in a pot, but the fruits borne from it will be smaller. But if grown in the ground it bears such large fruits that one in itself is a meal on its own right.

Traditionally we have eaten this fruit fresh or made jam from it, but one can also preserve it like those figs in jars that you see in Greek & Turkish shops.

In colder climates, the tree will only be able to bear fruit once, will require plenty of sun (as do most figs require). The one drawback of this tree, is that if the temperature is not constant, but erratic, the skin of the fruit forms too thickly or thinly. If the latter occurs, then it will split under heavy rains, but still remain in fair condition & edible still.

In Melbourne's case (unlike Brisbane where it would probably grow better), if the summer is too cold in its erratic behaviour the skin becomes thicker, whereas a hot summer produces a thinner skin.

In any case I nickname this variety "Evmeneia" which means good favour & good will, since it has survived catastrophe & continued to endeavour to feed people after so many centuries of cultivation. I can at least trace the history of this tree through some 5 generations of my family. And if I am to believe a late Anzac, was the exact same variety fed to them from trees in Gallipoli which have now been removed.

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BJ says...
KFG, I'd love to try a cutting of your fig sometime. It has such a fantastic story and name and sounds delicious!

After all this fig talk I've been convinced to grow them in pots here and have now got Conadria, White Adriatic, Black Genoa, Brown Turkey, Picone, Preston's Prolific and Williams no 5. I'm definitely after Panache next, if it even exists in this country...

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Anonymous says...
Keen Fruit Grower:
It is not the only variety of fig that I have in my possession, but it is one that I know is very tough. My uncle George grows the tree in an area of brick, concrete & mortar in a 2sq m hole at his inner city terrace. And it has borne well under heat and cold, & produces better fruit than my own which are cared for, while at 90 he just gives the tree water & nothing else. I also raise other unique fruits such as Skopelos & Sicilian honey plums.

But as for sending on a cutting or sapling to you, I'm not sure what the rules are regarding plant material between Victoria & Queensland, or what is the best way to send you plant material. In any case if I can learn I will prepare some for the coming winter to send out.

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BJ says...
Hi KFG, there are no restrictions on sending fig material netween eastern states. Only certain fruit trees are not allowed to be moved, and mostly just not from north to south...

Time: 6th September 2013 9:41pm

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LilianT says...
Keen Fruit Grower, is there any chance of getting a cutting or sapling from your heirloom fig? It sounds great. I'm in Melbourne too.

Time: 9th September 2013 2:48pm

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ivepeters says...
Keen Fruit Grower
Would you be able to post photos of leaves and fruit of the Evmeneia fig, when the time is right.

thanks.

Time: 15th September 2013 11:45pm

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Salsta says...
I'd also love a sapling from your Evnemeia fig if you're able and willing to grow one, Keen Fruit Grower.

I also love the idea of the tree your great grandfather rescued becoming more widespread throughout Victoria. I'm sure he'd be proud.

If you are able, let me know and I'll be happy to pay postage. I'm in Gippsland so I could come to Melbourne to collect if if you'd prefer.

Time: 17th December 2013 9:14pm

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bill g says...
Hi KFG,that was a magnificent story and sounds as if Evnemeia is a magnificent fig.Unfortunatly I don't think I am allowed to have it sent to W.A.however you did mention it grows well here,so do you possibly know anyone who has it here that might be willing to share.i would be more than willing to pay.my mouth waters at the thought of it.thanks ps Happy New Year fig lovers

Time: 2nd January 2014 2:06pm

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ivepeters says...
Keen Fruit Grower

Would you be able to post photos of leaves and fruit of the Evmeneia fig.

Would definitely like a cutting or two if possible, will pay costs.

thanks

Time: 28th May 2014 11:46am

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sternus1 says...
I'll have some more things for you soon Ive, check your Inbox.

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Time: 28th May 2014 4:23pm

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Meandu says...
Keen fruit grower,

If possible I would also like a cutting of your special tree -evmeneia

I'd be happy to pay for it, I live in Melbourne as well

Thank you in advance

Time: 23rd July 2014 3:49pm

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Mike says...
KFG... I would also love to have a couple of cuttings of the Evmeneia... Will pay for costs etc. to Brisbane

Time: 23rd July 2014 7:28pm

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Silver Lady says...
I think you're fig tree sounds amazing, apart from the wonderful story behind it the fruit just sounds delicious, have you managed to take some cuttings? I would be most interested to purchase one from you.
I live in Long Beach NSW so I would think the climate would be slightly kinder to the tree than that in Melbourne, I would probably grow it in the ground unless you think a pot is better?

Time: 13th October 2014 3:31pm

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giannibrisbane says...
Hi guys, what a great thread!

Figs are my all time favourite fruit and I only recently started looking into growing them as I found out they do well in pots - yay for me! Currently renting an apartment with 2 large balconies, one of which gets direct sunlight pretty much all day.

I was wondering if anyone from Brisbane might be willing to give sell me any cuttings this coming winter? I'm not picky regarding which variety as I'd like to try growing a few. Definitely willing to pay.

Otherwise just wondering whereabouts would be the best place to purchase some young fig plants? I understand db mentioned Bunnings somewhere in Brisbane - do most stock fig varieties? Which Bunnings did you purchase from?

Any information whereabouts in Brisbane would be very appreciated. Very keen to start growing and can't wait for the first harvest :)

Time: 31st December 2014 3:57pm

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Grant says...
My 4 YO Blk Genoa is seriously cropping with hundereds of fruit, its just suffering a little with some fungal on leaves. Any organic suggestions?
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Time: 3rd January 2015 10:01pm

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Grant says...
Too many figs to eat fresh, so trying out some fig jam. Anyone have a good fresh fig recipie?
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Time: 13th January 2015 9:37am

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sternus1 says...
Don't make jam with them. They're better dried.

Time: 13th January 2015 2:46pm

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Carl76 says...
Nothing better than fresh ripe figs.

Time: 13th January 2015 5:24pm

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Waterfall says...
All my figs shrivelled up and dropped off, its only about 1m tall but there was only 5 figs. Was it most likely not enough water?

Time: 13th January 2015 7:20pm

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sternus1 says...
More likely too much water. They like being pot bound in slightly moist alkaline soil, total opposite to tropicals.

Time: 13th January 2015 11:16pm

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Gardum says...
I have also only just started growing figs since my first cuttings back in August and had my first fruit a couple weeks ago from what was supposed to be a White Adriatic but after reading through here I now know it wasn't as the fruit was Brownish coloured outside with pink flesh ,probably the nicest Fig I had ever tasted.

Time: 19th February 2015 11:06pm

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Paul Green says...
Hi Keen Fruit Grower
A few days ago I came across your post about the heritage Greek fig 'Evmeneia'.
I am very interested in the history of your fig. I am wondering if you were still keen to share a cutting? I am happy to pay post.
Further to this, with your permission, I am a teacher of horticulture and I could make sure this fig and its story is preserved on my campus for years to come.

Time: 20th September 2017 11:07am

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BuiQuy says...
I'm from VietNam. I would like to plant Fig at my farm but i dont know where to buy it. I can buy at Daleysfruit but do you have anyway to ship Fig tree to me at vietnam ?
Thank you so much,

If someboday have idea help me please support. Tks alot
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Time: 17th November 2017 12:42am

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Bbbradm1 says...
Keenfruitgrower


do you take and grow cuttings of this heritage fig from your grandparents?

Cheers

Brad

Time: 15th October 2018 9:27am

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