Abiu's in SE Qld? (forum)

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Hi, just wondering if anyone has had luck growing Abiu in Brisbane/Gold Coast region, in particular GC hinterland? I'm in a frost free area, but it can get cold o/night in winter (the odd 4 degrees). I suppose this plant will be my folly, but I have a very protected area, (between a large water tank and a steep rocky slope,) that seems to retain heat quite well. Any thoughts or suggestions? Cheers.

Time: 2nd April 2012 8:21am

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BJ says...
I'm pretty certain they will be fine there. No problems in Brisbane. Give Tropical Fruit World a call as they are just up the road and I'm sure they grow them on a small commercial basis even.

Time: 2nd April 2012 8:25am

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VF says...
Thanks BJ, good to know. I didn't even think about TFW, and the silly thing is I have pre-paid tickets to take the kids there tommorrow!!! What a dill (me that is)!

Time: 2nd April 2012 12:08pm

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Diana says...
Hi VF,

Mine died of cold in Brisbane a couple of years ago, when we had a couple of nights close to zero. It was about six months old. If it had been more established it might have been OK.

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Time: 2nd April 2012 8:35pm

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David says...
Diana ,youve hit the nail on the head ,down here establishment is better suited to more mature plants able to ward off cold weather and resist the more innclement climate due to lack of tropical heat at certain times of the year.

Time: 2nd April 2012 9:44pm

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VF says...
Thanks Dianna. I think that I'll prob. bag them for a few winters just to be sure even though they're going in the warmest spot I have. (No frost but had a day last winter where max. temp. was 7.8 degrees C - it didn't feel like Qld at all. Took me back to childhood in Melbourne!)

Time: 2nd April 2012 9:49pm

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BJ says...
Yep. Planting the more tropical plants in Spring-Summer is common sense. If you plant them in the dry spell when temps are awrming up before the rain comes, then a bit of sun protection for a few weeks doesnt hurt.

Time: 3rd April 2012 8:55am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Good news on Abiu according to this link:

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/26_16238.htm

Fruiting begins anytime from 2 years onwards for seedlings and grafted trees can flower in the first year.

Time: 3rd April 2012 9:43am

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BJ says...
Yes, mine flowered first year in ground - I assume 2nd from seed. Flowered thrice this past season. Hoping for fruits next flowering.

Time: 3rd April 2012 9:45am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Good luck BJ, Mine had flower mark on a seedling tree but has not been flowering since under my control.

Time: 3rd April 2012 9:53am

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VF says...
Thanks all for advice, I appreciate the chance to tap into all your experience and knowledge. BTW, did go to Trop.FW yesterday which was encouraging and helpful, so I shall persist mindful of tips given above. However, they (TFW) must have magic thumbs and a fantastic micro-climate, as they're even growing Durian and Rambutan with some success.

Time: 4th April 2012 6:39am

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Db says...
Where can we buy grafted trees? One from Daleys are seedling.

Time: 4th April 2012 12:19pm

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BJ says...
You will have to be very patient and ask politiely around the growers in north queensland. Cape Trib might have some next year.

Seedlings are generally pretty good and if you put one in now, it'll likely be fruiting by the time you track down a grafted plant.

Time: 4th April 2012 3:39pm

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Db says...
Good point BJ.. I might go with seedling then if i decide to plant it.. Cheers..

Time: 4th April 2012 3:47pm

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Db says...
I have never seen Abiu fruit in supermarkets near me or Brisbane market in Rocklea. I would love to try this fruit, does anyone know any place (in western Brisbane suburbs) where I can buy the fruit to try?

Time: 5th April 2012 7:21am

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David says...
Not sure if these are available right now in the brissie area

Time: 5th April 2012 8:21am

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Paula-f says...
Turners Garden Centre on Miles Platting Road (just south of Brisbane) had some seedling trees last time I was there.

Time: 5th April 2012 11:03am

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VF says...
I've not seen the fruit sold in Brissie/Gold Coast area, but I just bought some at Tropical Fruit World. Maybe you could contact them and see if they do sell to anyone in Brissie- you might even be able to get some directly sent to you (I think I paid $10.98/kg). Hope that helps.

Time: 5th April 2012 8:58pm

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Db says...
Thanks VF, really appreciate. I'll contact them, cheers

Time: 5th April 2012 10:42pm

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During Easter holidays, I visited TFW as it was on our way when we were coming back from our trip.. I bought some Abiu fruits from them (again thanks VF), they looked great when I bought it but some were affected due to fruit piercing moths issue, I found couple of small white moths/worms inside.. But unaffected fruits were lovely, liked its caramel taste, so I decided to grow it from those seed as its very easy to do so.. Planted all seeds immediately after eating fruit as seed viability is only 1-2 days. Looks like first one is germinated now after 10 days, yaaahooooooo, I'm sure all remaining seeds will germinate soon... Seeds are planted in 50-50% mix of compost and potting mix which does not have any fertilizers all all in it. Once seedlings come up properly, do I need to give them Seasol / fertilizers or will it kill it? Any other special care I need to take like sunlight, shade etc? Thanks

Time: 20th April 2012 3:30pm

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Mike says...
Db when you plant it out in summer a little shelter in summer is needed until the plant is established.Only lightly fertlise with mild mixes until it is in the ground but mulch and water it plenty.Fruit fly and fruit sucking moths do not attack them.My nearby valencia cops it from 5 fruit moth species.Because abius vary greatly between varieties do you know what the parent tree was?

Time: 20th April 2012 4:33pm

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John Mc says...
Brisbane??? Pffft this one has grown outside all it's life in a pot just an hours drive north of Sydney. I think it's into the third year. I'm pretty chuffed.
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Time: 20th April 2012 5:25pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi John Mc
Well done. I hope the tree will give you some nice fruits soon.

Time: 20th April 2012 6:07pm

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Mike says...
It seems that nearly all the American tropical fruits can be grown in northern NSW and SEQ unlike some of the Asian equatorials.Abiu is one of the only commonly grown fruit that is confined to equatorial south America in the wild.

Time: 20th April 2012 6:31pm

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John Mc says...
How long does it normally take from flowers to mature fruit? I don't have high expectations so every day they hang on is a bonus.

Time: 20th April 2012 7:12pm

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Mike says...
John Mc it depends on the season but 2 to 4 months from flowering to ripe fruit would be normal for here.A flush of fruit might get ripe over a few weeks.They can flower again while fruit are growing and stray fruit come on from odd light flowering.Only a very small % of flowers set fruit.My z4 didn't have many fruit until its e4 neigbour got big enough to flower well.X-pollination helps alot and yours looks a bit small to carry fruit yet.

Time: 20th April 2012 7:48pm

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Db says...
Mike, I don't know what variety is of the seeds I got, I never knew there different varieties of it.. I bought those fruits in TFW in their retail shop.. That time I also bought sapodilla fruits and I asked him what variety it is and guy said no one at TFW knows it as trees were planted long time back and they did not keep any record.. I guess it could be case with Abiu that I got as well.. But fruits were large size n yummy... As per moths, I saw couple of live white worms in the fruits that were affected.. This online document also says same - http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/26_16127.htm

Time: 20th April 2012 8:21pm

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Mike says...
Db I think the Chay-Prove descriptions could do with some editorial intervention.A bit like paw paws it is possible damaged and over-ripe fruit could be 'attacked' but it is not usual and abiu growers don't need to protect them.I couldn't shoo the othreis and ff from the guavas to abius 1.5m away.
Anyway z4 is spherical and deep yellow with rather white,firmish flesh(rather than translucent flesh) that bruises easily.It could be that type.
Sapodillas are equally variable with flavour,flesh colour,smoothness,size and other characters being variable.Now ff do get into the sapodillas but the moths less so.

Time: 20th April 2012 8:51pm

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Db says...
Mike, u r right. 2 moth affected fruits were surely over-ripe and other 2 were not. All 4 fruits that I bought had deep yellow-golden skin, 3 were spherical but one was perfect round but all had translucent flesh so I'm not sure whether it is z4 or not :)

Time: 20th April 2012 9:07pm

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VF says...
I'm keeping my Abiu in a pot over winter, but am having a lot of problems with ants farming scale and aphids - it seems to be the favoured tree at present. How safe is white oil, as I just about killed my Cumquat a few weeks ago with it? (Have tried killing ants, but new ones come along.)

Time: 3rd May 2012 10:12am

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MaryT says...
VF did you dilute the White Oil or use it neat? Home made white oil is safe and easy. A teaspoon of vegetable oil and a drop of detergent in a spray bottle of water well shaken and away you go.

Time: 3rd May 2012 5:32pm

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VF says...
MaryT, I used a commercial prep. as per instruction (had used it on other citrus plants with no worries.) I think I'll use your "recipe", it sounds safer - I do have a "recipe" from my Mum, but it makes 1/2 litre! My kids would be inheriting it!! Thanks.

Time: 3rd May 2012 7:54pm

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Brendan says...
Hi VF & MaryT, 'pest oil' is more plant friendly than white oil IMO. Must be diluted tho, and not sprayed if the day is hot.

Some good home-made sprays: http://www.annettemcfarlane.com/Doityourself.htm

Time: 4th May 2012 7:45am

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MaryT says...
Thanks Brendan for that link to home made pest control remedies. I like being able to find solutions without having to go to a nursery to buy commercial products as I don't have a car.

Time: 4th May 2012 7:56am

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Brendan says...
No probs MaryT, btw, molasses spray (from above link), helps to deter grasshoppers, as I think that's what's been eating your cinnamon plant?

Time: 4th May 2012 8:04am

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MaryT says...
Thanks, Brendan. Is the idea to give the grasshoppers dental caries with the molasses? :)

Time: 4th May 2012 8:28am

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VF says...
Thanks for the tip Brendan!

Time: 4th May 2012 6:49pm

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Does anyone in Brisbane have an Abiu they are interested in trading? I'm looking for one to pair with my existing tree.

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Carl76 says...
Z4 in production at Daley's, maybe should wait a bit.

Time: 22nd December 2014 8:21am

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Thanks Carl,
Must've just appeared over the weekend as it wasn't there last week when I looked! Exciting!

Time: 22nd December 2014 9:44am

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The poster formerly known as... says...
Ah, it's just a z4 seedling...

Time: 22nd December 2014 9:47am

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Jenny says...
I have a little seedling from a TFW fruit from last year if you're interested?

Time: 22nd December 2014 9:51am

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MIke T1 says...
My z4 and E4 abius are fattening now with some z4 going ripe.

Time: 22nd December 2014 3:44pm

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ivepeters says...
Mike.
If you have a couple seeds of each spare , in the future, keep me in mind.
thanks.

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sternus1 says...
Got you covered Ive. Email me.

Time: 22nd December 2014 9:12pm

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JohnMc1 says...
Likewise, I'd be keen to get some Abiu's going again, Lost my last big one last winter. The Abiu and Santol don't over winter here all that well. My big polyhouse should be finished before winter.

Time: 23rd December 2014 6:51pm

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sternus1 says...
I'm open to trade for some z4 seedlings.

Ive gets a freebie because I'm in the red with him.

Time: 23rd December 2014 6:56pm

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Yeah John, last winter was a shocker for Abiu it seems. Mine was taken back to a stump. It has shot back and I'm trying to get it to put on mass niw that can harden off before winter. It had flowered for years without any set, so hopefully the new seedlings will help pollinate it. I had direct sown 6 z4 and e4 seeds but only two survived the winter and are still looking dodgy, so here's to hoping. The lesson learned is not to direct sow the seeds...

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JohnMc1 says...
Mine grew well in a soilless mix gro-bag. At this latitude they have to stay in a pot. The seedling I bought from Daley's flowered early in it's life cycle, ~3 years from when I bought it.

Time: 24th December 2014 7:47am

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sternus1 says...
what do you mean 'directly sewn', Bruce? I find that they are one of the easiest things to germinate. I really don't do anything other than put them in seed raising mix and douse with water. A week later the sprouts are showing through.

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Sow the seeds straight into a preferred planting hole.

Time: 24th December 2014 2:14pm

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Pre-prepared, not prepared. Damn predictive text.

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sternus1 says...
You must have good soil to be able to do that.

The only thing I could ever grow in the anaerobic crap I'm on by planting that way would be a fossil.

Time: 24th December 2014 3:24pm

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Have had good results direct sowing some garcinias. I put a fair bit of work into the soil here, but we do have a few feet of decent clay loam before heavy clay and clay deco kick in. On the other side of the hills ( Samford way) the non valley spots can be pretty brutal pure deco rubbish and the only real option is planting on swale.

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sternus1 says...
Dayboro is like that too in certain places, in others there is beautiful soil.

I'm digging (albeit slowly) two large swales on a descending clay slope at the moment. They're 15 feet long by 5 feet wide, I don't have an excavator and have to dig them by hand. I've learned to flood them and let the water sit there for 24 hours or so to soften the clay, otherwise It's a lot of work for little reward. If the frontier spirit is on me I might even get out there in the rain and do a bit. In the end they should be 1m 1/2 deep, backfilled with good quality soil.I'm using the dug up clay to build mounds on the front face of the trenches, the idea being that they act as stops and will hopefully act to trap water / minimise nutrient runoff, and into these the plan is to plant some kind of hardy, perennial flowers that will help to attract pollinators. Haven't decided what those will be yet.

Got the idea from rice paddy farming (the way the chinese traditionally built semi-circular beds down hillslopes).


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Anthony says...
Just wondering if anyone has Abiu seeds for sale at the moment? I thought I’d give them a shot in the Lockyer Valley. We get a couple of light frost each year but the achacha seeds I planted last year are doing well, so maybe Abiu will do alright.
Thanks, Anthony.

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Judoman says...
John mc how is your abiu going, did it ever fruit?

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