acha cha fruit seeds (forum)

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These are now my favourite fruit now grown in nth queensland in burdekin on a large plantation and for sale through harris farm look for them i am going to grow seeds if possible under right conditions see if you can get these they will be really popular taste just like a mangosteen but just a tad zingy
next update is that i have three seedlings of these about 6 inces tall 4 leaves they just grew two more these are very slow but did survive the winter quite well who nos you could grow in nsw, lol!
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Time: 30th January 2010 1:16am

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Violet_Cactus says...
Lucky you, Murray. Here in Victoria we can't grow those delicious fruits. Next time we visit Queensland I will look out for them!

Time: 30th January 2010 10:12pm

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Jess says...
Hi Violet,

There is a asian grocery store in Footscray (Leeds Street) that's currently selling this fruit.
I think it was $13 a kg.


Time: 30th January 2010 10:59pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
Thank you, Jess! :)

I've just Googled and found the exact location: John Alexander Ent. Filipino Sari-Sari Store, 27 Leeds St. Footscray (03) 9687 5229

Time: 31st January 2010 12:58am

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Larissa says...
The acha cha is sold in Sydney for $6 kg. Bought some the other day from Fresh World, Maroubra. As Murray said, tastes like mangosteen. The taste is also a bit like cherry guava. However, there are only 2 little bits of flesh and seeds are huge whereas mangosteen is a bigger fruit and seeds can be smaller. Mangosteen shell/skin can stain like cherries.

Time: 1st February 2010 12:18pm

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Michael says...
You need to have bought Achacha for $10+ a kilo to experience the excellent taste. When they go a bit softer and the back spots starts appearing on the skin they sell for $6 -$ 8 . The fruit is nice apart from the huge seeds.

Time: 1st February 2010 12:50pm

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marilen says...
Achacha 4.50 per kilo as introductory price in Centro Bankstown. The fruitshop near woolworths.
this was the first time i saw this fruit.. and you are right - tastes like mangosteen. yumyum!

Time: 14th February 2010 2:58pm

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amanda says...
I am green! Are they sub tropical or true tropical? Can't wait to see this fruit over here in WA!?

Time: 15th February 2010 9:30pm

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Che says...
Hey Murray did you get any seeds to germinate? If so how. Thanks man.

Time: 28th February 2010 8:25pm

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r says...
looks like they are at least subtropical hardy

Time: 6th March 2010 6:24am

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janice clarke says...
where can i get this wonderful plant. i'm in bundaberg qld. even some seeds would be nice.

Time: 12th March 2010 10:31pm

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Edward says...
In reply to Che's question: I planted four seeds from fruit bought from Harris' and after 4 months I am finally seeing small shoots emerging from all four. So it looks like they do germinate but extremely slowly, and I suspect the growth rate will be equally slow. I wonder how they manage over winter since temperatures can be quite low here though I don't expect frost.

Time: 31st March 2010 8:27pm

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che says...
Hey thanks Edward, 4 months! your a true seedsman, patient and optomistic.
Thanks for the hope.

Time: 9th April 2010 8:00pm

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murray says...
seeds are very hard to germinate i have tried various methods and different ph soils they are still viable one of my very many seeds has split and is slowly growing roots but this is very slow in my greenhouse now hoping to imitate its original environment where it comes from they are green on the inside of the husk around shell which forms when covered with airated moist soil note if seed is left above the soil line it may go mouldy and die

Time: 11th April 2010 10:54am

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Edward says...
Thought people might like to see how my Achacha seedling looks after several months. This is the "largest" of the 4 seedlings and is only about 12 cm tall. The next one is only 4 cm tall and no leaves yet. The other two are barely coming up. So... patience is certainly required for this plant.
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Time: 25th April 2010 3:11pm

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Rev says...
Mine look just like that
they germinate just like mangosteen

evenly and yes about 4 months
all you do is spit the seed into a pot with 30-40% coir and the rest riversand
and put it under a bench where itsll be kept from fully drying out but not too wet

and then you just ignore it till they are ready

lots of seeds are like this
Avo, Coffee, Kola nut and man

Burdekin doesnt get frost really but it does get quite nippy in winter at night. It has a long dry season but humidity stays relatively high in the dry season

Its an alright fruit. nice, if its cheap enough. But itll have to compete in a small market for sharp tasting fruits, and kiwi has that on volume, taste and price.
Id like to see it as a backyard fruit, street tree.
i bought mine at rustys markets, a bag of them for $2

Time: 7th May 2010 6:09pm

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BJ says...
The lenghts that some people go to for fruit is just amazing!



Time: 24th November 2010 3:44pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I ended up with around fifteen plants after planting seeds around nine months ago, have put three into the field already. Roots of the others are coming through the bottom of the supertubes so more going on underground than would appear in relation to the slow leaf development.

Time: 24th November 2010 4:18pm

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BJ says...
would you mind posting a picture of the seedlings? I've got some Garcinia coming up out of compost and I'm pretty sure its these guys...

Time: 24th November 2010 4:30pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Here are the achacha seedlings. The larger leaved one on the left is a different species, seed sent to me from a fellow forum member in Qld.
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Time: 24th November 2010 5:31pm

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John Mc says...
Hey Grant,
The fruits should be hitting the shops any time soon. I missed out last year due to no fruit shop within kooee selling them. I have since found a shop, at a considerable distance from me, and can't wait to try the fruit and get some seeds germinating as well.
Haris Farm Markets sold them last year, so my hopes are on them this year as well.

Time: 16th December 2010 4:49pm

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BJ says...
If you go onto the company website, I think they may deliver. Could be a good option if you need to drive a long way to get them...

Time: 16th December 2010 5:07pm

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Grant says...
Thanks guys.

Time: 17th December 2010 7:33am

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murray says...
acha cha's are growing but slowly!

Time: 10th January 2011 1:24pm

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BJ says...
From the Achacha growers' email:

'During a lull in the rains, picking has been taking place at Palm Creek Plantation. Fruit will be available in parts of Brisbane and Sydney from Monday 24 January. Victoria will be a little later ? probably the first week of February.'

I think I'll have to buy a 4kg box this year as there arent many reliable stockists on the north side of Brisbane.

Time: 20th January 2011 8:09am

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Bucko says...
Achacha's purchased from woolies in brisbane CBD today. They are advertised at $8/kg but I just realised I was charged $12.98/kg. Nevermind they were worth it!!! Cheers, Bucko.

Time: 25th January 2011 3:13pm

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BJ says...
Yes, now available in all major (malls and inner city outlets) of coles and woolies. Picked up a few kgs yesterday from Chermside.

Time: 28th January 2011 11:14am

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rsj says...
Available from the grower today (30/1/11) at the Sydney Chinese New Year market in Belmore Park at Central...$35 for a 5 kilo box, or smaller quantities. He says some Coles will have them.

Time: 30th January 2011 12:10pm

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fruitfly says...
hey all
achacha is sold at Coles, particularly the one in elizabeth st near flinders st station.

Time: 7th February 2011 10:01pm

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fruitfly says...
hey all
achacha is sold at Coles, particularly the one in elizabeth st near flinders st station.

Time: 7th February 2011 10:01pm

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Jim says...
Interesting read

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/11/3136520.htm


Time: 11th February 2011 4:38pm

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fruitist says...
Very disappointed with Achacha. Eat 10 fruits is not even worth eating one Mangosteen. And they are more or less the same price in Brisbane per fruit.

Time: 11th February 2011 5:59pm

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Merilyn says...
Yes, I saw an item in the ABC online news this afternoon Fri 11 Feb,where these fruit trees fared well in Cyclone Yasi (Cat 5) south of Townsville, it would have been cat 3 - 4 winds in this area.

ABC News
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(For more news visit ABC News Online at http://abc.net.au/news/) *New tropical fruit stands up to cyclone*

The shops in Townsville are not really back to normal yet with many lines being unavailable, though there were longans (seeds easily germinated too) in Woolworths Fairfield Waters Townsville yesterday.

I will keep my eyes open for this new fruit.

Time: 11th February 2011 6:00pm

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rebecca says...
I bought some of these yummy fruits for $8 a kilo at Willows Coles. First saw and tried them at Annandale Coles. They must have survived the cyclone (I did!) because I got them 2 days after, and today (a week and a bit later)

Time: 12th February 2011 12:09am

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micarle says...
I got two kg's from Thomas Dux $12.99, in sydney! Although like fruitist said they arn't as nice as the Mangosteen(Not many Fruits are), but a different taste! I really liked the flavour. I now have about 30 large seeds. P.s the fruits has alot of Black dots and blemishes maybe from the Cyclone, but the flesh wasn't Affected

Time: 12th February 2011 8:44am

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fruitist says...
That is expensive, Micarle, but glad that you like the flavour. Last week, I saw some bruised ones on sale at Pick and Pay for $9.90 per kg. Sometimes stores like Coles and Wollies, if you are lucky, you can get not-fresh Rambutans and defrosted Durians at give away prices.



Time: 12th February 2011 8:44pm

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Xiem says...
For those interested, achacha featured on Landline today (Sunday 13 Feb). It can be seen on abc.net.au/iview if you missed it and wanted to watch it.

Time: 13th February 2011 4:50pm

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Brendan says...
And it's repeated on ABC 1 today (Monday 14th Feb) at 11am :-)

Time: 14th February 2011 8:07am

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fruitist says...
Borneo natives call Baccaurea angulata, Wu-Jong. Same flavour as Achacha but the pulp is a few times thicker than Achacha. Notice the seed with the remaining clinging pulp at the top of the picture. Also better looking fruit. Some are quite red.
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Time: 14th February 2011 8:38am

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fruitist says...
U-Wa (Baccaurea mollis). Same flavour and texture as Wu-Jung but the looks are not inviting.
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Time: 14th February 2011 8:40am

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micarle says...
Yep prob was a bit expensive!! But very much enjoyed!!! Mate nice images of the Baccaurea, i have Dulcis and macrocarpa, Do you grow the two species in the pics or are they old photo's?? Would be very interested in some seeds???

Time: 14th February 2011 10:11am

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fruitist says...
You seem to grow some real exotics. No, I don't grow them myself. Next time I am in Borneo, I will send them some seeds to you. I only sent them to Brazil and other collectors around the world. Will be in KL next January defintely and Kuching in next April. But the fruits are in Sibu only so I may extend my trips to Sibu.

Time: 14th February 2011 10:53am

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BJ says...
Fruitist, I would love a seed or two of the angulata if you are able to find and send some back! I've been very much taken by the looks of the fruit since I saw them in an RFR magazine a few years ago.

BTW, those mamon have lots of lovely new leaves and growth shooting now!

Time: 14th February 2011 10:59am

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fruitist says...
Will do so, BJ. Not easy to send to Australia as the pulp is clingy to the seeds. So it is hard to clean the seeds free of pulp. However, when the pulp get dried up, it looks like part of the seed skin. Still, I spent a couple of hours to clean the seeds.

Time: 14th February 2011 11:08am

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fruitist says...
Also long queues at the post office and language problem. I normally gave my envelopes to the post master general who is my friend and he would take care of them. But he has retired 3 years ago. So, I will see how hard to post.

May try to bring them in in-person.

Time: 14th February 2011 11:12am

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micarle says...
Fruitist That would be unreal!!!! I have found that Baccaurea are one of the hardest things to track down!!!

Time: 14th February 2011 1:06pm

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fruitist says...
Those fruits are from wild trees. The fruits are getting scarcer due to loss of trees from erosions and flooding now ocurring frequently there.

Time: 14th February 2011 1:43pm

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micarle says...
Do you have any more Photo's of Baccaurea taken in the wild??? Would love to see some!!

Time: 14th February 2011 3:00pm

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fruitist says...
Haven't seen any real trees yet, only fruits in the markets.

Time: 14th February 2011 3:03pm

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fruitist says...
This Rambai tree is in FNQ. BTW, where did you buy the Baccaurea from? Limberlost? Recently?
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Time: 14th February 2011 3:12pm

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BJ says...
Brilliant fruitist!
I would love just about anything from over there. Any of the Baccaurea (incl. Tampoi and Rambai), Engkala, Isau, and the red and seashore mangosteen are seeds I would love to get my hands on to try. :)

If you need anything from me, just let me know!

Time: 14th February 2011 9:58pm

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fruitist says...
Noted, BJ. BTW, David Chandlee has most of the seeds on sale in the past. But I am not sure atm as he is still hobbling about with his crutches and what state of the trees after cyclone Yasi.

Time: 15th February 2011 8:23am

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BJ says...
The last thing I heard was that he wasnt sending seeds because Larry took out many trees and the survivors werent producing well in the aftermath. Though that was from his blog in 2009. I dont like my chances after Yasi. But if you talk to him and find out that he does still send seed, then I'd be more than happy to pay to get them from him, as it saves the messing about with customs etc.

Back to the achachairu, the growers did say that they were ready to work with the DPI on the Sunshine Coast to try to breed fruit with a better flesh-seed ratio, so that will be a huge step forward. Also, they said that this years crop was a little less sweet than normal as there was too much rain. So perhaps the fruit will perform well out of the tropics, where the rain lavels are usually lower...

Time: 15th February 2011 12:19pm

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fruitist says...
Ok. I didn't know DC has not been selling much seeds after cyclone Larry.

I have a few different Garcinia from Mexico, Florida's Fruit and Spice Park, Bill Whitman's place, etc. I will try to graft them onto my Mundu tree this year.

I was re-reading some emails Antonio Morschbacker (a famous Brazillian collector) sent me back in 2006 re Achachairu and other Garcinia. May be the grower may want to talk to Bryan B in Puurto Rico who is very experienced with Achachairu. But I think BB would charge him for advice.



Time: 15th February 2011 2:20pm

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Nick says...
I just bought one at the Altona Coles for $10 a kilo. After I left I noticed only the lychees had been scanned and when I came back she had no clue what it was :P.

Time: 16th February 2011 8:01pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I got a kilo for half price yesterday. The guy behind the checkout thought they were apricots.....

Time: 17th February 2011 5:03am

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reville Saw says...
well i took some plants to Bali
North bali specifically wher ethe climate is much like Townsville, but more stable

after 6 weeks they are still thriving in ground
Lets hope they establish in local markets in decades to come...

Time: 17th February 2011 12:36pm

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Julie says...
Hey Rev, read the 'tropical fruit trees grown in Melbourne' thread. A lady would like to get in touch with you.

Time: 17th February 2011 7:31pm

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mike says...
Hi I am wanting to germinate a tree from a seed. Does anybody have any suggestions about how to do this please

Cheers


Time: 12th March 2011 6:53pm

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trikus says...
Just be patient , as people have said here it takes a few months , bottom heat may help , they take a very long time to germinate

Time: 13th March 2011 9:52am

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Nelson says...
Hi Guys , Just wondering if anyone could help to advise how to plant the seeds from the achacha fruit.

I bought 2 kilos ($7p/kilo) from the local market & the family has fell in love with this fine delicious fruit.

Any expert advise appreciated!!

Cheers, Nelson

Time: 19th March 2011 2:54pm

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trikus says...
read this thread Nelson , lots of advice

Time: 20th March 2011 9:37am

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xerxes says...
G'day Mates
Please some one tell me how can I add this amazing fruit tree in my backyard collection. In last 2 weeks I did try everything to pIant those seed but non of those ways were successful. I do appreciate any information

Time: 20th March 2011 9:19pm

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John Mc says...
The easiest way is to wait till Daleys have them ready to sell. Look here
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/false-Garcinia-humilis.htm
Put your name down and Daleys will contact you when they are ready.

Otherwise you have to wait more than two weeks for the seed to germinate, more like two months or more. They take around 8 years to start fruiting from seed in ideal tropical conditions. I don t like your chances of getting it to fruit in Melbourne, just like me trying to get a soursop to fruit south of Newcastle, we can always live in hope.

Time: 20th March 2011 10:26pm

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BJ says...
I'm not totally sure, but I dont think Daleys is actually growing the Achachairu. I think they are taking them on consignment from the growers up in the Burdekin. The trees are too large to post, so need to be picked up. Refer to the last newsletter for more details...

Time: 21st March 2011 9:57am

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micarle says...
xerxes, you will need some heat to germinate these seeds in Melbourne, now that its heading towards winter. Just a heat mat under your seedling pots will do.

Hey Fruitist, some of my Baccaurea are from seed and a few are from Bot Ark. This is a pic of Macrophylla, its a Marcotted male plant. These plants have to be over wintered inside for protection.
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Time: 21st March 2011 8:43pm

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Nick says...
My achacha seed just germinated! I think it took about 3 weeks or so in my greenhouse planted in some seed-raising mix. See how it goes in my cooler climate.

Time: 24th March 2011 7:30am

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murray says...
Latest update on my cha chairu seedlings is that they are all healthy and some have 6 to 8 leaves i have a couple that just sprouted from last year too! From this years planted seed i planted around 80 seeds with 75% of them just starting to sprout after 4 weeks of love and care making sure to not over water and that the medium dosen't dry out,coconut core works really well with 25%perlite and some good quality seed raising mix ,little spears now with some of them having 2 to 4 spears coming up out of 1 seed which reminds me of lychee seedlings, will be selling these in 1 month from now... murray!
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Time: 25th March 2011 11:05pm

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Nick says...
Youre selling them? I wouldnt mind buying one, the fruit is delicious but I havent seen them in the shops lately.

Time: 7th April 2011 7:41pm

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Nick says...
Heres a few pics of my few month old seedling! It isnt much yet, only a cm or so high "spear" with no leaves but its definetly growing (although VERY slowly :P).
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Time: 30th July 2011 3:28pm

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Mike says...
I am told I can't grow them in Cairns and they prefer a drier cooler sub tropical climate.The burdekin is nearly 500km south of here and surprisingly cool and dry.I bet achacha could grow a long way south of central qld.I think they could be a Reedia and are very different in all respects from asian mangosteens.Just as an aside my mangosteen tree is covered in flower buds and it is 6 months out of season.

Time: 30th July 2011 9:46pm

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BJ says...
Really? Are there many Garcinia/Rheedia that wont grow around Cairns?

They are native to Bolivia, so 16-20o South, Cairns is 16o South.

Time: 31st July 2011 12:56pm

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Mike says...
BJ I think it must the Andes, elevation of the whole country and distance from maritime influence that makes Bolivia so much cooler and drier than expected.It is the only Rheedia I know where the preferred climate is not a Koppen tropical.I bet Brisbane would be ideal for them.

Time: 31st July 2011 4:33pm

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Nick says...
If they can grow in Brisbane, they should be able to grow here! :D Hopefully my 2 seedlings fruit at some time.

Time: 31st July 2011 7:57pm

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BJ says...
Cant hurt to give it a shot nick. They germinate slowly here - up to 8 months - then shoot up those purple spires, then they seem to grow quite quickly for Garcinia (much faster than dulcis or livingstonii, on par with xanthowhatever, madruno and warenii). I'm not expecting fruit in under 6 years, more likely around 8. I'd imagine that would be pushed out further for you in Vic.

Time: 1st August 2011 9:22am

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Nick says...
I understand that they'll take a while but they're already 5 months old and I'm young, so why not! :)

Time: 1st August 2011 6:03pm

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Nick says...
Hi murray I would love one! Here is an updated picture of mine.
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Time: 6th September 2011 8:56pm

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John Mc says...
Most of mine are just starting to emerge after 8 months. A couple are like your's Nick.
Murray, arn't your's a year older? do you have any pics?

Time: 6th September 2011 9:32pm

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Mel says...
I planted 3 seeds from fruit I bought at Coles. I planted the seeds on 14/02/11. I have waited VERY patiently, but today there is one seedling poking its little head up at me. So that's just over 7 months from planting to seedling. I put them in labeled pots in potting mix.

Time: 18th September 2011 8:15pm

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Mango_lady101 says...
Acha chas did have bigger seeds last season due to the excessive amounts of rain they had. The seeds should be smaller this year. You could purchase excellent quality fruit in Sydney for $6.00 an acha cha bag(just under a kg) They should be available again in November 2011

Time: 3rd October 2011 11:15am

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Mango_lady101 says...
It takes ten years begore you get fruit so yes they are slow

Time: 3rd October 2011 11:22am

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BJ says...
I went through Daleys last week and to my surprise there were 2 nice big Achacha trees there in 6lt bags. Must have been left from the last consignment. They look to be 3-4yr old (a bit smaller than the 4yo mangosteen you see in Rusty's), about 2.5 foot tall (apex pruned back) and in a super heavy medium - very heavy sandy loam, but mostly sand. Both looked quite healty, so they have joined my mottley crew. Hopefully, that will knock a few years off my wait for fruit.

Time: 11th November 2011 3:04pm

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Tomas says...
Hi,

I just wanted to chime in about the achachairu. In comparison with my other Garcinia species, achachairu is a fast grower for me. In only 2-3 years it's almost 6 ft fall.

Tomas
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Time: 12th November 2011 1:25pm

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Nick says...
Its achacha season again!! Its shame you have to wait a whole year just to eat them, I can now remember why I'm so addicted to them. If anyone wants some seeds, contact me at niksmaster2008@hotmail.com :)

Time: 16th January 2012 3:15pm

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chillilover says...
Hi Nick is there anything you don't have seeds of. I'd love a few of these please. I've been sending you emaails since the morning.

Time: 16th January 2012 4:16pm

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Nick says...
Sure thing chillilover! I dont expect anything in return but if you have any seeds of the rarer fruits I wouldn't mind a few :)

Time: 16th January 2012 5:22pm

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chillilover says...
Do you have rambutan. My hunt for these are on and i think i know exactly where i'll find seeds. Once i get my hands on you can have them. Currently i have 1 spare curry leaf plant, a few spare coolamondin citrus seedling, lychess still happening and if i do find anything i'll send them your way.

Time: 16th January 2012 5:34pm

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Nick says...
I would love rambutan seeds! I usually depend on Coles fruit for them but they only become available every so ofen and my first (and last!) attempt at germinating one failed. Here's some updated photos of my achacha seedlings.

Time: 16th January 2012 7:10pm

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Nick says...
I would love some rambutan seeds! I usually depend on Coles fruit but they're only available every so often and my last (and first) at germinating one failed. Here's some updated photos of my achacha seedlings. :)

Time: 16th January 2012 7:20pm

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chillilover says...
lol Nick you forgot the photos. Anyways i'll find out on Sunday if i can source some rambutan. BTW i got your seeds today.

Time: 18th January 2012 8:52pm

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Nick says...
Thats good news! I tried to upload the photos but they wouldnt work for some reason, hopefully they'll upload now.

Time: 18th January 2012 10:19pm

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Nick says...
Nope the photos still aren't uploading, it keeps coming up with "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 15872 bytes) in /home/daleysfr/include/forum_create.inc on line 51"??

Time: 18th January 2012 10:29pm

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nick giancola says...
Hi Guys,
My experience has been, here in WA.
rambutan wont germinate.
Lychee 5% will germinate.
Longan approx 20%.

Time: 18th January 2012 10:34pm

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Nick says...
If anyone still wants some achacha seeds, I've got a few left :)

Time: 26th January 2012 6:26pm

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j says...
yes please nick! my email address is jmubaraki@hotmail.com

Time: 26th January 2012 8:55pm

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chillilover says...
Nick save some for me. Still no sign of the one's you posted earlier. Maybe Monday.

Time: 27th January 2012 3:14pm

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Nick says...
Thats unusual, anyway I'll pop by Coles and get some more seeds, at least I have plenty of stamps to send them with! :)

Time: 27th January 2012 3:18pm

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chillilover says...
Hey Nick if ypu are buying the seeds don't worry then. I assume you got my mail.

Time: 27th January 2012 5:39pm

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Mike says...
Nick the plan is to send a parcel Monday and hopefully rambutan seeds will have a good germination rate.R156 yellow usually grows well from seed and the other (R9) also is a better one from seeds.Achachas were $5.99-7.99 at the market today.

Time: 27th January 2012 5:46pm

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Nick says...
$5.99 is a good price compared to the $10 Coles charges.

Time: 27th January 2012 5:48pm

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BJ says...
First few times I got them from Woolies noone knew what they were, so they just put them through at $2.99/kg as oranges (well, they are orange). I grabbed a few kgs. Same thing happened with huge Drangonfruits for 50c each.

Time: 27th January 2012 10:24pm

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amanda says...
What a score BJ!? Personally I can't understand how they can afford self-serve checkouts..?? ;-)

Time: 28th January 2012 2:24am

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chillilover says...
Hi Mike, Would you mind telling me where are you sourcing your rambutan seeds from. I still haven't been able to get my hand on any.

Time: 28th January 2012 8:51am

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Mike says...
My 4 trees only flowered for the first time recently and none set.I have had them from quite a few sources recently but the ones I have now are from Rusty's Market. There were 8 or 9 stalls with them yesterday.Excellent quality mobolos and mammeys were there but the marangs and durians on offer were low quality.

Time: 28th January 2012 9:00am

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Mike says...
My 4 trees only flowered for the first time recently and none set.I have had them from quite a few sources recently but the ones I have now are from Rusty's Market. There were 8 or 9 stalls with them yesterday.Excellent quality mobolos and mammeys were there but the marangs and durians on offer were low quality.

Time: 28th January 2012 9:00am

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Mike says...
My 4 trees only flowered for the first time recently and none set.I have had them from quite a few sources recently but the ones I have now are from Rusty's Market. There were 8 or 9 stalls with them yesterday.Excellent quality mobolos and mammeys were there but the marangs and durians on offer were low quality.

Time: 28th January 2012 9:00am

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chillilover says...
Mike any idea how much do they sell the rambutans for. Maybe the /kilo price.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:11am

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David says...
Hi Mike , Thankyou that would be excellent

Time: 28th January 2012 10:24am

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Mike says...
David I am going soon to get those fruit and better wait until they are in hand before I dish any seeds out.Cillilover the rambutans were mostly $6kg with good one more and poor ones less.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:39am

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David says...
Thanks Mike i am a patient man.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:43am

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chillilover says...
Hi Mike i know it's a bit of an ask but do you think maybe you can buy me about a kg and post it to me. I can send you the money via paypal first. Postage would be around $13 for express post 3kg sachtel. If you can that's be great. If not no probs.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:51am

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Mike says...
David I have them and they are huge and look tobe of exceptional quality.I was also given a big luang durian perfectly ripe and some R3 rambos.This fellow is a genuine expert and is considering writing a book on tropicalfruits and the history of their introductions tothis country.
Chilli I am experiencing a little bit of Aussie post fatigue as I have several more parcels to pack and send.They will be around for quite a while yet and I'll try to get onto it in the next few weeks ok.

Time: 28th January 2012 12:40pm

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chillilover says...
No probs Mike. Whenever you ready. Thanks.

Time: 28th January 2012 2:21pm

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David says...
Hi Mike ,I go from being a patient man to an excited man, tell me what do they tatse like, can almost smell them from here , Glad to see you had a productive journey. David .

Time: 28th January 2012 3:25pm

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Mike says...
You prompted me to chop the supposed lesser of the 2 types up and I couldn't eat another bite.It is better than most jackfruit at 3kg,it has no latex,is more aromatic than any jackfruit,almost no rag,bright carrot coloured flesh and a richer more complex taste than jackfruit but equally sweet.It is a real winner and the fellows' malaysian wife commented on how good the 2 varieties are.The should be in yards everywhere.The other should be ripe tomorrow and if it is even better I'llbe surprised.

Time: 28th January 2012 3:46pm

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David says...
Hi Mike, Im glad it lived up to expectations. GET YOUR SEED PLANTED DOUBLE QUICK SMART ,THE SOONER YOU PLANT THE SOONER YOULL BE TASTING AGAIN ,cant wait myself. You lucky dog .Regards David.

Time: 28th January 2012 7:49pm

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Mike says...
I have to eat a whopper of a durian tonight and I'll attack the other fruit tomorrow.Maybe 1.5kg is too much to eat at a sitting again so I might have to freeze it.It could be mon/tues before the other one is ripe really so I'll send a shipload of seeds after that.I should send some to BJ.

Time: 28th January 2012 8:06pm

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David says...
Thanks mike, you must be as full as a gun. Yes Bj would appreciate that to,1.5 kilo is a lot to eat(now let me see how long will it take to get up there to help you).What can i say pig out . David

Time: 28th January 2012 8:11pm

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Mike says...
I fibbed a bit because the section was 1.5kg and maybe half would be flesh.It comes back to haunt you less than jackfruit and combined with durian smell my garage might alarm the neighbours.Pity you weren't here to help me plough through them.I suppose those are just the sacrifices you have to make to get seeds.

Time: 28th January 2012 8:34pm

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David says...
Hi Mike in the famous words of Doris Day,Que Sera Sera what will be will be, yes those are the sacrifices.David.Night off to bed, off to the organic markets early as usual on sunday morn , for the goodies.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:26pm

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Nick says...
5kg box of lychees for 10 bucks or $5 per kg at laverton market! :)

Time: 29th January 2012 3:48pm

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David says...
What variety Nick, Salaithiel, have 100% chicken tongue, ie very small seed ,good variety but a bit pricey.

Time: 29th January 2012 4:26pm

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Nick says...
Im not sure David but the seeds were quite round and plump and the fruit was pretty large too.

Time: 29th January 2012 4:34pm

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David says...
THanks Nick what else do you grow

Time: 29th January 2012 4:53pm

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Nick says...
I have a bosworth 3 lychee, 2 dwarf catui coffees, 2 bowen mangoes, a panama berry, 2 bananas (a dwarf cavendish and a lady finger), a black grumichama, a Clifford carob, a rose apple, a Southern Red papaya, 2 achacha seedlings (more to come hopefully!), a jakfruit seedling, a Kary carambola, a custard apple, a tamarind, an american pawpaw, pepinos, a date seedling, a naranjilla, a oregon graoe, 2 strawberry guavas (yellow and red), an indian guava, a tamarillo, a chilean guava, 5 pineapples, a white sapote seedling and a dragonfruit plus all the common vegies, herbs and fruits :)

Time: 29th January 2012 5:07pm

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Nick says...
Oh, and my salak, duku and purple mangosteen seedlings have just started emerging!

Time: 29th January 2012 5:08pm

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Mike says...
In the mail ETA Wednesday.All those requested are there and I kept putting other stuff in until it hit 500g.Unfortunately many of the extras I'd hoped to include missed the boat.
David type 2 was better,but slightly lower flesh yield,paler orange flesh,but sweeter and the fruits are much larger.It is the best of its type I have ever tried.The plan is to have them on their way on Tuesday,ETA Thursday arv.

Time: 29th January 2012 6:15pm

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David says...
Afternoon Mike ,Muchly thankyou, were they both from the same tree or diff trees, ive noticed the seedling soursop, friuts can vary so much in both seedness and flavour ,from the same tree, quite strange. Glad for you, that you managed to source some good trees, and more importantly you made a good friend in the kind man who gave you access to such good fruit.When and if you talk to him again, please pass on my regards and thank him for me .David

Time: 29th January 2012 6:30pm

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David says...
Roll on Thursday ,i say im going to be on tenderhooks till then. Thanks again Mike.

Time: 29th January 2012 6:31pm

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Mike says...
The first comment was directed at Nick.

They are from very different looking trees and are dramatically dissimilar in their characteristics but the two best I've tried and way better than that trashy imposter cheena.I had to come with gifts in hand and seedlings of the hog plum,Carica monoica,amber jackfruit and some whopping E4 abius to eat lossened the fellows' grip on his prize fruits.The luang durian was delicious as well.

Time: 29th January 2012 6:41pm

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David says...
Sounds like your a born salesman Mike.

Time: 29th January 2012 7:44pm

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dickybeacholdalbion says...
they are native to Bolivia - so should be able to take a bit of cold

garcinia humilis is the real name - strange. couldnt find anything in purdue university about it

Time: 2nd February 2012 11:50am

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dickybeacholdalbion says...
I bought nearly all of the local IGA fruit at $2.50 a kilo - no one knew about the fruit and they couldnt sell them

pigged out very nicely :-) the skin - put through a blender and added to water - allow oto sit over night and then add a little sweetener - is supposed to be a very good hunger suppressant
the skin of the fruit is supposed to be good if rubbed on your own skin sores


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Hi, Bolivia has many types of climate,and achacha or achachairu the native name comes from tropical area, where the average temp is 28C and humidity very high. I have been trying to grow this in Adelaide but have not been successful. I will keep trying though as it is the best fruit I grew up eating and I miss it so much. Last week I found the fruit at the central market in Adelaide and I bought 6 kg and they lasted 2 days as one of my kids loved it from the first time he tried it in Santa Cruz , Bolivia. Thanks

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Ellen says...
So amongst many of its health benefits is a hunger suppressant is it? I'll surely try making drinks out of it now.

Down here in Cabramatta it is all time low $3/kg so far.

Time: 15th February 2012 2:03am

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Linton says...
I got a Rheedia about 1 year ago which I've been growing outside in Melbourne without any problems. But I'm confused if this is the same thing as Achacha.

Time: 15th February 2012 2:24am

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AchaGirl says...
Carefull growing the Achacha trees as they are PBR which means you have to have permission from the owners to grow them for the next 25yrs or you can be sued... just a heads up.

Its on the box...

Time: 25th February 2012 4:20pm

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Mike says...
AchaGirl,does it say on the box what the rstrictions are? Usually it relates to commercially selling fruit or selling trees propagated from their fruit.If people independently source seed from overseas or grow them for home use there won't be any litigation,I would think.

Time: 25th February 2012 4:46pm

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Mike says...
I checked the Plant Breeders Rights website and indeed achacha variety AS-E is a registered cultivar in Australia and selling them commercially is prohibited in the absence of an agreement with the rights holder.

Time: 25th February 2012 8:39pm

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BJ says...
Yes. it is a strange situation, as they are not a selection, just a seedling fruit which was already in the country. Also, the name registered is more than likely not the correct scientific name. How could they register, let alone sue someone?

Time: 25th February 2012 8:46pm

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Mike says...
It is just that specific variety that can be registered, irrespective of the species name being correct.The onus would be on the 'owner' of AS-E during the 20 year period to legally pursue those trying to commercially sell that variety,and prove it is that variety.It would be pretty hard if they outcrossed or there were other seeds or varieties in the country.I can't figure if the rights of the name achacha are also registered.It is really a recently concocted common name.

Time: 25th February 2012 9:10pm

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Peter says...
Is this cultivar very different from any of the plants in Bolivia?
I can only sympathize with real breeders who spend buckets of money into the development of their unique cultivar and want to get a good return for the effort and costs...

Time: 26th February 2012 2:17pm

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AchaGirl says...
I don't know the specific or the fine details of the protection they have but it is something to be careful of, especially since they are trying to establish themselves as a commercial farm for this fruit.

As for the name Achacha is an abriviation of Achachryu which is what they are called by the locals in Bolivia.

Time: 26th February 2012 5:02pm

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AchaGirl,the main concern is that PBR could be used for more than the protection of varieties produced in australia and rewarding breeder efforts.If it rewards people just for bringing in superior varieties and negotiating our quarantine system then PBR is not the right name.With our paucity of good varieties in many fruits it could be quite an advantage.

Time: 26th February 2012 5:37pm

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friends with the achacha farm owner says...
Hi Bj
yes we have abbreviated the name but thats just for marketing. It took 11 months negotiating with the Bolivian government to get permission 12 years ago now to be able to grow them here and to my knowledge no one else has the farm owners permission go grow and sell seedlings

Time: 28th February 2012 9:00pm

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BJ says...
I understand what Bruce and the Achacha crew have done. I wouldnt consider selling fruit or seedlings purely out of respect for the efforts they are putting into trying to establish and introduce a good tropical/subtropical fruit into our very boring market, PBR notwithstanding. Certainly not easy, especially when the main retailers are putting out shrivelled old ones to introduce to the public (looking at you Woolworths!). I'm just curious as to how a seedling raised species is granted that status, which I thought was for superior selections of plants that are vegetatively propagated.
My wee plants wouldnt be in the business of bearing anything for a good 6 years anyways, and even then, I like the fruit too much to have a thought of selling them.

Time: 28th February 2012 10:50pm

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Doug says...
I have successfully germinated all 4 seeds from fruit bought 4 months ago. 3 are monoembryonic, but the fourth is polyembryonic, and this seems to be the more advanced in root formation, albeit very slow.

Time: 31st May 2012 3:45pm

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Jenny says...
yes these are mine, I have one polyembryonic out of this lot, and one has a split stem but look at the slow ones on the right, and they were all planted the same time! How does pollination go down the track does anyone know? Do you need a male tree and a female tree? And if so I suppose you can't tell what they are until they actually do flower?
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Time: 31st May 2012 4:36pm

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Jenny says...
Actually just found answer to part of my question
Flowering/Pollination: Small, white flowers can be hermaphroditic, but will often require cross-pollination.

Time: 31st May 2012 6:04pm

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BJ says...
I believe these to be self fertile. There are myths around that all garcinia need x pollination, which is not true - only a few do - Imbe, button mangosteen, seashore mangosteen, maybe one or two others, the rest are happy to grow on their own.

Time: 31st May 2012 7:55pm

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John Mc says...
Madrono self fertile BJ?

Time: 31st May 2012 8:24pm

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David says...
Hi John Mc , mines been in the ground now 7yrs and fruits usually more than once a yr,so yes

Time: 31st May 2012 9:13pm

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John Mc says...
Are they nice tasting fruit David? worth growing?
I got mine as a small seedling at least a couple of years ago and is so far growing well here in a pot in the polyhouse. It has spurts of growth throughout the year.

Time: 1st June 2012 8:13am

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David says...
Tends to be moderate grow up here is now about3.5m high. Fruit is sweet to sub acid in flavour , large seed surrounded by litchi like flesh.Taste is refreshing.

Time: 1st June 2012 5:15pm

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Mike says...
My new russells sweet is yet to get an identification to species level.I will get it a male companion very soon.I have been lucky to get some rare plants lately.
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Time: 3rd June 2012 3:50pm

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David says...
Good on you Mike, a good looking specimen.A magic week maybe.

Time: 10th June 2012 7:03pm

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Mike says...
David,I got another tree from a friend yesterday and I don't know where to put it.
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Time: 10th June 2012 7:06pm

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David says...
Nice looking breadfruit Mike, at the last fruit meeting in April, the fruit mag put out for members showed a tree growing in Thornlands a bayside suberb, healthy looking so poss it might grow here

Time: 10th June 2012 8:23pm

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Mike says...
David I was told this type I took a snap of on the farm last week is good at handling cool weather.
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Time: 10th June 2012 8:29pm

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David says...
Looks like the leaf structure is diff to the one in your backyard Mike am i right if so does this mean then that breadfruit is more adaptable then say ,Marang to cool climes or not so.

Time: 10th June 2012 10:39pm

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Mike says...
David yes there are dozens of types of breafruit spread throughout pacific islands.They vary a good deal in form and more than likely cold tolerance also.Marangs are not quite as variable in form but are also likely to vary in cold tolerance as they are grown to the northern phillipines.I think breadfruit and marang would generally have similar cold tolerances.Getting the right type of each might be the key.

Time: 10th June 2012 11:01pm

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John Mc says...
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David,I got another tree from a friend yesterday and I don't know where to put it."

Mike, I can still see lawn!!

Time: 11th June 2012 11:27am

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David says...
Clearly a man with 20/20 vision John Mc, balls in your court Mike.

Time: 11th June 2012 6:04pm

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MaryT says...
David, is John Mc referring to his own lawn? :)

Time: 11th June 2012 6:08pm

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Mike says...
John Mc thank goodness durians,breadfruit and all the rest stay small.I am in total gridlock now and can only shoehorn so many in.I am looking for volunteers to retire from the backyard team as it is.If the african pride and prolific sapo don't urgently go into a fruiting bonanza they will pay the ultimate price for their defiance.

Time: 11th June 2012 6:15pm

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amanda says...
U could always advertise them Mike? "Free - U remove"..? It would be a shame to waste them.. :-(

Time: 11th June 2012 6:21pm

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Mike says...
Maybe amanda but I have already chopped out dozens.Lately I have followed a rich vein of trees back to the motherlode and I need room.I am a genuine student of fitting trees into small spaces and that is why people call me a real space cadet.

Time: 11th June 2012 6:31pm

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David says...
No Mary, Mikes lawn, the trees in my own small(800sq m) space are all approx 2m apart soooo close yet they seem to thrive with the extra humidity created by being so close.As Dr Smith would say Mike "the pain the pain"

Time: 11th June 2012 7:13pm

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Mike says...
David I don't have enough space to get lost in.The robot is best quoted in these circumstances "Warning brisbane david...Warning".

Time: 11th June 2012 7:36pm

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amanda says...
U are different in more ways than one Mike for sure ;-)

Time: 11th June 2012 7:54pm

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Mike says...
David I saw a big santol today.Maybe you should have one in the yard.
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Time: 11th June 2012 8:12pm

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David says...
Hi Mike , i said the trees were 2m apart that santol trunk looks to be 2m wide, Id have to phone Jenny to fit between my trees at that rate .Ha Ha

Time: 11th June 2012 8:32pm

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Mike says...
Sorry about the ugly model but my friend was on bucket patrol for my fishing trip today.A spanish lime is more modest in dimensions and could fill a gap.
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Time: 11th June 2012 8:39pm

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David says...
Hes wearing a teashirt and thongs for goodness sakes , today we only made 16c, Mike dont do this to me.

Time: 11th June 2012 8:43pm

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Mike says...
David they are his winter thongs and it didn't get above 26c so it was brisk here as well.

Time: 11th June 2012 9:14pm

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David says...
Winter thongs eh , must have missed this new fashion statement, possibly only for FNQ fashionistas.lol

Time: 11th June 2012 9:16pm

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snottiegobble says...
You must live on top of a mountain David, even with our " Bash WA to pieces" weather yesterday it was still 19c

Time: 12th June 2012 1:54am

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amanda says...
True SG...anyone would think only FNQ is warm..?? Lol...we are having nights (and days) that are warmer than Cairns even...?
We wear thongs all thru winter (not all the time tho)
Bet u didn't realise that about WA..? Much nicer than mouldy old FNQ thanks ;-)

Time: 12th June 2012 10:02am

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amanda says...
(ps - is it just me or are others starting to hear angels burst into song whenever they log onto to this Forum these days?
The level of Worship is become intense!? :-D

(just gentle teasing BTW :)

Time: 12th June 2012 11:06am

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amanda says...
Hey Mike - many of the local schools have food garden set ups - to teach children about growing food etc.

As some of your plants are "special" one's - I'd bet these schools (or even the Community Gardens) would be very grateful to take them off your hands - if u are ever up for it.


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Mike says...
Amanda I give away boxes of fruit and fan seeds through the community already.I draw the line at pursuing people and thrusting produce upon them.My niece took lots of seeds from me to her school and quite a few schools around are growing stuff that came from my garden as cuttings or seeds.
Bhut jolokias would be the perfect plant for schools.
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MaryT says...
Haha I'm sure you're joking, Mike, though it's a handsome bush. I'm looking forward to my seedlings looking like that one day, but I may have to keep school children away from them :)

Amanda there is no one more generous than Mike and he's been doing work for the common good for decades. Many of us on this forum are recipients of that generosity which is why we hold him in high esteem but we have not nominated him for sainthood yet; don't worry about any idolising happening here.

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amanda says...
That's lovely :) It just sounded sad to hear about good plants ending up as mulch. Guerilla gardeners might have fun with them instead ;-)

Time: 13th June 2012 9:10am

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nishina says...
I like to know more about achacha fruit tree....can i get one achacha tree in india

Time: 10th August 2012 5:36am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
They are only grown on one plantation here in Australia at present, but some members here can send you seed. They fruit in February/March, remind us then and we can post some to you.

Time: 10th August 2012 9:58am

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I have been told a Garcinia enthusiast that the Australian achachas are one of four types (a subtropical form) of their species which is still undescribed.It is not the best variety and the species is not humilis,laterflore or latifolia and not confined to Bolivia.On the Brazilian side there are also other varieties of this species.In the paticular species group that it belongs in, Lucs mexican garcinia is the elite one and some G.brasiliensis varieties are superior.


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BJ says...
I've also been told some strains of the bumpy lemon garcinia/charichuelo (the real G. madruno) are excellent.

Time: 10th August 2012 2:16pm

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Mike says...
BJ sweet madrono is supposed to be worlds better than standard madrono.As luck would have it a seed of one such plant fell into my possession a couple of days ago.The smooth skinned amazon madrono are also alleged to be of better quality than the standard types.

Time: 10th August 2012 2:34pm

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Lissa says...
Achacha fruit time in the shops again. Outlets can be found on the Achacha website.

I'm wondering how those seedling are going 2yrs down the track? Can you post pics to show us how they are growing?

I've got about 10 seeds planted and would like to have a look at the growth habits for this plant so I can decided where to plant any that come up.

Did people experience much diversity in the growth habit from seed?

Time: 11th February 2013 11:36am

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nickg says...
Its times like this that i wished lived in Queensland. Does anybody here in Perth know if this fruit is avaiable locally?

Time: 12th February 2013 9:13pm

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Mike says...
They are everywhere at the moment.5 bucks a kilo at Rusties and nearly $9/kg at coles.Above are the rusty's ones.
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Time: 12th February 2013 9:50pm

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Mike says...
Not worth the extra for coles ones.
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Time: 12th February 2013 9:51pm

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nickg says...
Mike YOU ARE IN PERTH RIGHT!
Wheres Rusties will be there tomorrow!
I might not like it but HAVE TO TRY!
ps Mike from innaloo?

Time: 12th February 2013 10:24pm

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Mike says...
nickg sorry to disappoint you I am in Cairns.

Time: 12th February 2013 10:36pm

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MaryT says...
Mike from Cairns have you picked up yet another ID? Why did you drop the 'Cairns'? Some strange things are happening on this site. I can no longer see Edibles on the list at top left. Sorry Acha cha folks for the hi jack but they are everywhere in Sydney too.

Time: 13th February 2013 6:56am

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Mike says...
Mary no new ID it just accepted it when I forgot to put location in.It used to tell you to put location I think so access may have loosened up.

Time: 13th February 2013 10:02am

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Jenny says...
my little guys are a year old now and are slow but not as slow as some other garcinias I have. I give them a little B&B with potash & monthly (when I remember) foliar feed + the odd worm wee. I'm wondering whether to plant one in ground now that the extreme hot weather has gone.
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Time: 13th February 2013 10:36am

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Lissa says...
I have done a plant swap with a friend and she's given me two three year old seedlings :)
Also have my own seed planted waiting for them to appear.
Cameras not working this morning but they look the same as Jenny's pic.

Time: 7th March 2013 9:22am

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Rosiebee says...
So I discovered achacha at Woolies ashgrove yesterday. Delicious and vey keen to plant the seeds. I would greatly appreciate propogating advice:
Split seeds or leave whole?
Soak seeds?
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On top of soil or below?
Planting medium - someone posted coir 40% and the rest riversand.
Thanks in advance

Time: 9th March 2013 11:10am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I have had success by planting the seeds fresh and not too deep - only about 0.5 cm of good quality seed raising mix over the top. They are very slow to germinate, you are looking at about six months before they appear. Just plant them on their sides (length ways) and don't overwater as they can rot easily in this weather.

Time: 9th March 2013 12:46pm

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Nick T says...
Hello Rosiebee, you can soak the seeds first or plant the fresh seeds whole (don't dry them out for any longer than a day or two). They only need to be planted about half an inch below the surface of the soil- I've had great success with just normal potting mix. They should germinate within a few months in warm weather, but be patient because they can take longer than that! :)

Time: 9th March 2013 12:54pm

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maxine says...
what's it like being green? Im white :P oh an the fruit is delightful pity there is so little flesh in them though..

Time: 19th March 2013 5:43pm

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Estar says...
Hello fruities
I am loving this forum about growing our newly discovered Achacha. Can any growers of the seed tell me about the root system, is it fibrous or do they shoot a tap root out. If you have put them in the ground already, has it speeded up their growth ?
Thanks :)

Time: 26th March 2013 2:19pm

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Nick T says...
Hello Estar, from my experience achacha seems to have quite a long tap root with not many lateral or fibrous roots. I repotted one just before Christmas and it's only just starting to grow again, so I think transplanting too many times should be avoided if possible :)

Time: 26th March 2013 5:32pm

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mike 2 says...
to Mike, Cairns Do you know where I could buy a Luang durian? I have several other varieties, but would really like to get Luang, thanks

Time: 1st April 2013 5:09pm

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mike 2 says...
to Mike, Cairns I meant Luang grafted plant--not the fruit, thanks

Time: 1st April 2013 5:12pm

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Mike says...
mike 2 I ate this luang last week and they truely are elite with flesh packed locules.The trees are not for sale anywhere and I had to sell my soul to the devil to get my young tree.Gumpun is another of outstanding quality.I will make some enquiries and see if any young grafted trees are available anywhere in NQ.
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Time: 1st April 2013 6:22pm

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MaryT says...
Mike I always thought the durian is the devil's work. Now I know it's true.:)

Time: 1st April 2013 7:39pm

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Mike 2 says...
Thanks Mike, Great to hear about your good luck with the durian. I can do the grafting if I can use a suitable tree. I have seedlings for approach grafts and would still pay for it or exchange with another variety. I have on hand grafts of D190, Hew 7, Sunan, and can also do Kanyao. By the way, I am at Bloomfield near Cooktown.
Regrds Mike 2

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Estar says...
Hi Nick T
Thanks for your reply. I have planted them in the ground and in pots to make a comparison......just gotta wait another 3 months to see the 1st results !
A long tap root sounds to me that they would be better in the ground so they can get a good deep anchor to make them happy. I am fortunate to have a great sunny and sheltered spot for them so fingers crossed.

Time: 11th April 2013 12:02pm

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Nick T says...
Good luck with that Estar! I always prefer pots personally because my soil's hopelessly sandy, and I have the added advantage of being able to move them where it's warmest. I find that some of the larger tubestock pots are adequate for seedlings with a long taproot.

Time: 11th April 2013 7:48pm

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BELL says...
MARKETS AT MIRIAM VALE, EVERY THIRD SATURDAY OF THE MONTH

Time: 16th May 2013 8:44am

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dada says...
Anyone has Achacha seeds?
Thanks I have some rare Annonas to trade with. Monodora angolensis and more

Time: 28th September 2013 5:17am

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Mike says...
dada it is not achacha season yet for a few months.They are common then.They are really subtropical so need some altitude if you are near the equator. Are you Soren's (Uganda) friend in Cameroon?

Time: 28th September 2013 6:16am

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John Mc says...
Yes February is Achacha season in Aus, I have some seed from last season but I'd doubt if it is still viable.

Time: 28th September 2013 8:25pm

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David says...
Spotted today 300mm high approx Achacha plants for sale Templex nursery Algester for $49.

Time: 19th December 2013 9:11pm

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BJ says...
Fruits are back in the markets now too. Picked up a my from Charlie's today. Not bad, but should get sweeter in the next few weeks.

Time: 19th December 2013 11:01pm

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sternus1 says...
Ok that's it. I'm buying a box. Been tossing it up all day long.

I'm going to have a look into this breeding protection rights thing; my understanding of this albeit superficial is that gene patenting hasn't arrived in Australia yet, though no doubt monsanto will bring it in a wicker basket soon enough considering the ultra neo-liberal recently elected. I bet it would be lawful to sell these under a different title. I do know you could just about count the number of lawyers who deal in patents in Australia on one hand. It is a very lucrative arena of law, particularly internationally.

The cultivar title achacha might be patented but my feeling is it would not be possible to patent garcinia humilus....I doubt this could happen even in the US.








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Mike Tr says...
The plant breeding rights are only over Garcinia humilis and the achachas are an undescribed species. It also only applies in Australia.They are very easy to get from South America and are a permitted species. Who can prove the source of seeds as there are no varieties.They are not the best of the Latin American Garcinias.

Time: 20th December 2013 9:07am

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sternus1 says...
Ok now I'm confused. So whoever owns the PBR in Aus hasn't actually developed their own variety, they've just cultivated the standard G. Humilis and have 'copyrighted' this? I thought that PBR only covered unique varieties?

The US is having, and is going to have more of in the future massive issues over GMO patenting. This happens particularly with corn (Their entire agricultural economy is based around this...it is in everything, and is a subsidised commodity). The last thing you'd expect to find in any sweetened thing in the US is cane sugar, its all high fructose corn syrup, and we aren't too far behind in that regard. There is a situation over there now where farmers can't afford not to grow GMO patent corn, because if they get caught with an incidental stalk in their crop (literally one) big corp will ruin them. I believe the expression for that is 'Take the silver, or get the lead'. It's a very clever albeit evil way of dominating the market.

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Mike Tr says...
The achacha situation is perverse. A variety of this undescribed species was grabbed an agreement was reached with the government and back in OZ it was PBRed.It was not bred or improved and doesn't even appear to be the best of it's species which extends into Brazil.It sure can't compete with say Luc's mexivcan garcinia for size or quality.
I think the intent was to stop people using their seeds to start rival plantations here. The real name is achachairu and some Brazilians are growing better lines.

Time: 20th December 2013 9:38am

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sternus1 says...
Wow. That is insane. No idea how they pulled that off, but I suppose they've placed a fruitless crown on their heads ultimately as they don't have the best going variety anyway.

We should form a syndicate and PBR everything we import, and have it contain a clause whereby anybody can do anything they want with anything apart from PBR it.

Luc is great, I'm sending him some stuff next week actually. I'm hoping those mexican G's aren't super slow growing, but it is probably wishful thinking as I'm yet to encounter a garcina that isn't. I'm planning on keeping a select few in gargantuan pots. How has your germination rate been with these?






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BJ says...
The mexican sp is super duper slow. it makes the achachairu look like a ferari! And yes, tghe PBR is messed up and actually protects nothing, as G humilis doesnt even exist in this form.

Time: 20th December 2013 11:38am

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sternus1 says...
hmmm....so if achacha takes 7 years to fruit as I'm told it does, where does that leave these mexican garcinia? I Hate to think...

How far have yours come along BJ in how many years/months?

Time: 20th December 2013 1:17pm

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ivepeters says...
Got some mexicans mid-april planted them right away, now range from 15cms down to dirt level, most around 7cms. Planted some regular achachas at same time , about same height at this stage.

Time: 20th December 2013 4:07pm

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sternus1 says...
Do you have these growing in a hot house ivepeters? I'd like to know your soil mixture too, I haven't tried many Garcinia from seed. I did get a purple mangosteen to sprout, but it died a sprout unfortunately.

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Mike Tr says...
Mexican garcinias are supposed to speed from a slow start.They probably would not be too different from achachas in the time to first fruiting.

Time: 20th December 2013 5:23pm

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ivepeters says...
Hopefully to get some fruit before retirement.
Did nothing special , usual premium potting mix with top third seed raising mix. Every couple weeks liquid seaweed .
When they get to 30cms will be giving away most.
Rarely kill anything above 30cms.

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David says...
Hi ive would be interested in one of your Mexicans when you think its time for some to find a new home.

Time: 20th December 2013 9:48pm

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ivepeters says...
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Sure, only want to keep two for myself.
If the four still sleeping would get going would have 13 to give away. Mostly all on their second pair of leaves.

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David says...
Thanks for that heres the email address dphuntbris@gmail.com.Thanks again in anticipation.David.

Time: 21st December 2013 7:13am

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sternus1 says...
Ive I'll put my hand up for a Mexican too when they are going, Hopefully I have something I can give you in exchange. Just tell me what you're on the hunt for.

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ivepeters says...
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Sure, but please note I will might be doing a PBR on the species. :)

Time: 21st December 2013 11:01am

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Mike Tr says...
ivepeters in theory as it is an undescribed species it should be a tough gig. Clearly PBR in Australia is a scam and those in charge of the system or making decisions don't have doctorates in taxonomy or plant breeding.

Time: 21st December 2013 11:55am

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sternus1 says...
A friend of mine is studying to work in patent and copyright law, I'll have to have a chat with him about all this. My feeling is that the achacha PBR wouldn't be worth much in the end, and whoever owns the right would never have secured those at all if they had been challenged,and I highly doubt anybody did. I'll be seeing him in January sometime hopefully. I'vepeters my policy is that I don,t trade sell or gift anything if that is stipulated as part of the exchange by the benefactor. I will have my own Mexican seeds but I would like a seedling in case I completely pork the process of germinating them(it's happened before, im not don burke)or they turn out to not be viable. Again, happy to trade something for one if I have anything you want.

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ivepeters says...
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Your more than welcome to one.
Obviously my joke was too left field.
I've got some achachas I was doing as a comparison,your more than welcome to them as well if you want.

That's why I get more seeds than I need as well. I'm not a don either.

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Mike Tr says...
ivepeters thank you for your 'card' it is much appreciated but more than you needed to do. I do have a few species that may be of interest that I will get to you before too long.

Time: 23rd December 2013 2:36pm

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sternus1 says...
Ivepeters if you like figs I may have something you'll want in exchange for that mexican G. Nobody else around has this variety.

my address is: L J O 84 @ Hushmail dot com

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Hey phil if you read this how did your achacha seedlings go in tyalgum last winter? I am thinking of planting a few out this spring in that area of nsw...

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Tom says...
Hi gimme if you are after some seedlings I have plenty to spare, on the goldcoast if that's not too far!

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gimme says...
Thanks Tom I planted seeds a couple of months ago and they are some are starting to come up after recent rain but they look very delicate and hope they make it through winter. How big are your seedlings? Maybee we could do a trade. I also have one tree I bought off daleys which I potted up and is a strong size now, I'm hoping to plant out in nnsw but keen to see whAt phil says about how they winter

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Markmelb says...
Can you truly believe a nursery here in Melb was selling Achacha seedlings - Ive put some seeds in a pot but i wouldnt buy a plant to see it cark it over winter here in Victoria - unless you have a 26c heated glasshouse

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Tom says...
Hi gimme my seedlings are just starting to put on their second lot of leaves have way too many, but maybe yours are just as big?
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gimme says...
Nah mine have only just shot up, they are coming up at different times and I'll have over a hundred if they all germinate (i sowed seed from 5kg box of fruit) maybee I don't need more after all :P

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ivepeters says...
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Would you like a couple of the Luc Mexicans ?

Time: 9th April 2014 8:28pm

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Ayie says...
Does anybody knows if this plant is available now in nursery around Brisbane area? thanks.

Time: 9th April 2014 9:49pm

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gimme says...
You could try Templex nursery in Algester, apparently they had some last year?

Ivepeters I don't know much about them, what's the botanical name? I'd like to try something new

Time: 9th April 2014 11:36pm

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ivepeters says...
Mexican garcinia sp is what I know them as.
Larger and better tasting than the achacha.


Time: 9th April 2014 11:44pm

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Mike Tr says...
Achacha is an undescribed species (not G.humilis) as is Luc's Mexican Garcinia.

Time: 10th April 2014 7:57am

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Mel7 says...
ivepeters, I'd love a Mexican too please if that's possible. I'd be very happy to do a plant swap, it's how I obtain and share most things. Where are you located? I'm in Brisbane North. Will give you a list of things I have via email if you like. blackhole1001 @ hotmail.com Cheers!

Time: 28th April 2014 10:47am

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Lissa says...
All my Achacha seedlings died :( The one planted out in the garden, and the three in pots. All being carefully nurtured but they seemed to fail during a recent bout of hot weather.
Van Veen Organics is selling Achacha seedlings. Can't see how to add a link in here but if you google you will find. Josh is at Elimbah, about half an hour north of Brisbane.
http://vanveenorganics.com/

Time: 30th April 2014 4:56am

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BJ says...
Lissa and Mel, let me know if you still need seedlings. I have a few spares. Its important to cover all your garcinias (except Imbe) until they are a few feet tall, then they will be happy.

Im in Keperra

Time: 30th April 2014 11:09am

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sternus1 says...
There is no advantage to growing achacha in full sun. You can grow them in total shade and they'll do much better anyway. Keep them on your patio/vernadah until they become too big for the space or the pot.

Time: 30th April 2014 5:21pm

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Lissa says...
BJ, thank you for the offer of seedling/s. I would love to take you up on it and try again with the Achacharu.

By cover - do you mean actual shade conditions? I see sternus1 has said much the same thing. I could keep it in a big pot.

Not sure how to message personal details here, but I need an address to collect and organise a time that suits you BJ.

I can't see how to contact you quietly so see no option but to post my mobile number here 0414 445 581. I could call around this weekend sometime if that suited you.

Time: 17th May 2014 6:58am

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Mel7 says...
Yes please BJ. I'm northside too, Warner. I don't need Achachas, my seeds sprouted well, but anything else interesting would be great.

Time: 17th May 2014 10:17am

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BJ says...
By shade I mean a temporary shade structure. A four poster with a bit of shade cloth on top will do fine. I'm best contacted by email, didge underscore 2001 at hotmail dot com

Time: 17th May 2014 2:39pm

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sternus1 says...
Grow it in a pot.

A big pot.

It will grow more slowly in the ground. Get it to advanced stage in the pot, then plant out.

Time: 18th May 2014 2:39pm

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sternus1 says...
Mel, you live very close to me.

I have spares of lot of things that you might want and will die unless taken.

Some things will be free, some will incur a little charge.

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Time: 18th May 2014 2:41pm

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Adelaide82 says...
Does any1 still have any seedlings of either Achacha, or Luc Mexican Garcinia?? Has any1 had success with these???

Many Thanks,

Chris

Time: 14th December 2014 12:31am

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Al says...
What is the best pruning practice for achachas, as I have a three foot tree that has multiple, vine-like branches. I just put it in the ground and have it staked to keep it in some order.
My feeling is to leave it do its thing and wait until next year to consider shaping it. Anybody got any pointers?

Time: 15th December 2014 8:18pm

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Al says...
What is the best pruning practice for achachas, as I have a three foot tree that has multiple, vine-like branches. I just put it in the ground and have it staked to keep it in some order.
My feeling is to leave it do its thing and wait until next year to consider shaping it. Anybody got any pointers?

Time: 15th December 2014 8:18pm

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Waterfall says...
I tried some of these today for the first time, I wanted to try them before growing a plant. Anyway I thought they were delicious with the only downside being the lack of flesh. I'd say you get about the same amount of flesh as a lychee even though the achacha is about 3x the size.

A couple of them only had 2 seeds so there was a decent amount of flesh.

Time: 8th February 2015 4:55pm

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sternus1 says...
Achachairu are crap compared to Luc's Garcinia. You should investigate these before wasting money on achachairu.

Time: 8th February 2015 5:02pm

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Waterfall says...
Well that's good to know, I'm waiting on Bruce to send me one of those so maybe that will do me as I'm really running out of space now.

Time: 8th February 2015 5:09pm

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sternus1 says...
I'd try for two and skip achacha altogether really.

Luc's g will fruit in total shade.

Time: 8th February 2015 5:12pm

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Waterfall says...
What is it that is superior about Luc's g? is it the taste or is there more flesh or both?

Time: 8th February 2015 7:37pm

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The poster formerly known as... says...
I really like achachairu so I am hoping the Mex is a real winner. The achacha I've had this year have all been single seeded and great seed to flesh ratio. If you get the really fat ones, you get lots of seeds and little flesh. Joel, I've finally got your parcel ready to go. If you take good care of them then extra leaves they put out should be as big as the entire plant. My inn ground ones have finally started to get a move on, at just under a foot tall, while a friend out bayside has two trees from the same batch at 5ft already.

Time: 8th February 2015 7:45pm

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A.C says...
If youve got some Garcinia seeds.Whatever variety .Thank you
crbgn@yahoo.com.au

Time: 8th February 2015 8:18pm

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Waterfall says...
I ate some more of these today from the Asian fruit markets. Honestly they are a delicious fruit, I wish they contained more flesh but they are still well worth growing, I could just eat them by the bucket full.

Time: 13th February 2015 8:39pm

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sternus1 says...
Maybe you should try growing mangosteen too.

Time: 13th February 2015 9:19pm

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Waterfall says...
They won't grow south of Cairns from what I hear.

Time: 13th February 2015 10:14pm

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MIke T1 says...
They grow south of Cairns not north as they prefer a cooler and dryer climate than their congenors.They are marginal in my area and would prefer somewhere like Brisbane.

Time: 14th February 2015 8:27am

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Waterfall says...
Mike are you talking about Achacha or Mangosteen?

Time: 14th February 2015 11:51am

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MIke T1 says...
Sorry missed it there and thought it was achachairu being talked about.90% of the mangosteen trees in Australia are between Babinda and Cardwell.

Time: 14th February 2015 12:04pm

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Chris says...
For all you achacha devotees:

http://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/news/agriculture/general/news/bruces-bolivian-trek-bears-fruit/2723748.aspx

Time: 17th February 2015 10:01pm

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