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At last my 1.5 metre ASimina has flowered after 6 years. And strange flowers they are,looking primitive as if they are the prototype, Mark I flower.

Time: 13th September 2013 2:24pm

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Linton says...
Yes, the Asimina trilobas are flowering in Melbourne now.

This one is only 10 inches high and it has flowers now in the pictures. But it's grafted whereas the larger trees I have about 5 years old are not grafted and are yet to produce flowers or fruit. So I assume that your tree is also not grafted.

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Time: 14th September 2013 12:03pm

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The Asimina trilobas have many flowers now.

Not only did the small grafted plants flower, but now the non-grafted trees from Cascade also have flowers. There are about 20 flowers on each plant and since they are all flowering at the same time I think it should be good for pollination and hopefully they will set fruit.

I was surprised that the Cascade plants flowered already as I have only had them less than one year.
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Time: 6th October 2013 1:53pm

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Linton says...
The Asimina triloba trees were loaded with flowers which have fully opened like in the picture.

But now they are starting to fall off so I don't think they will set fruit this year.
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Time: 23rd October 2013 2:42pm

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One of the small grafted Asimina trees has produced 2 fruits - see in pictures.

The tree is only about 10 inches high so I find it quite remarkable, whereas the larger seed grown trees have not produced yet.
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Time: 29th December 2013 1:23pm

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Markmelb says...
Hi Linton -
Nice going - I have 7 Asimina seedlings from seed planted in March that are 5inches high so would be interesting to see your plants with a bottle of seasol next to them - will stem be strong enough to support fruit?
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Time: 29th December 2013 2:54pm

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Linton says...
Hi Mark

It will probably take about 7 years for your seedling pants to produce fruit but it should be worth the wait as they are great fruit trees.

I have 2 seed grown trees about 6 years old that started flowering this year but didn't produce fruit although I think they might by next season. They are currently about 2 metres high.

The other small plant is a grafted one which is why it has produced fruit so early. Cheers!

Time: 30th December 2013 8:36am

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Markmelb says...
Thanks for reply Linton - your not far from me in Mount Waverley too - If your grafted one ever needs a prune let me know as have 6 White Sapote types to swap scions in the future -
still like to see a photo with an object next to plant to get an idea of how small it is - cheers Mark

Time: 30th December 2013 10:04am

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Jason says...
You guys do so well with these, I have two 10 year old plants left from over 100 seedlings I originally grew and are both no more than 30cm tall! Both been in the ground 10 years. Extremely difficult to grow for me and I'm not sure why. Ive put in the impossible for unknown reasons basket with palm trees and ensete bananas

Time: 30th December 2013 4:19pm

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Markmelb says...
Your Funny Jason - have to meet you oneday when I go for a surf your way near Crumpets?
Ive had a Raphis Palm in same pot for 10 years from 12in to 5ft (inside very slow grower)
My suggestion is to grow Asimina in a pot - Ill try planting one of mine in ground or 2 together - but rest in pots - they like shade and wind protection I guess - and you have plenty of shade just need to protect from wind or maybe they dont like super salty air???
You didnt say if you saw that Growquest guy growing in large pots 15ft tall - counted my avos on 1 year Lamb Hass 2mt tall in 430mm pot -- 21 Avos - Im happy at $3 each its paid for itself - Cheers

Time: 30th December 2013 5:25pm

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Jason says...
Yeah I saw the Avocados in big pots. I don't know if I could deal with big pots like that. I'd have to water them and I haven't watered anything in the last 8 months. Might get away with not watering for another month yet.

I haven't surfed in 20 years but have spent a lot of time at Crumpets it goes ok as as backup beach when the infamous Blacknose point (couple hundred metres down the beach) isn't quite working. Its the second best break on that sheltered side of Portland though. Most of the good ones are on the other side facing the Southern ocean. Lot colder and more dodgy over there though :). Problem with black nose point is you might wait, 10 or even twenty years between it breaking at its full size. So rare Ive never seen a picture of it online at anywhere near its potential. One day in a storm I surfed it and it was breaking at least 100 meters away from the rocks. Normally you are almost on the rocks..

My garden is upwind and 3km at least from the sea. From the other side its probably 15km from the sea so its moderated and cooled from the ocean but no salt. Pretty sure all my failures are a single nutrient but ive never really been able to identify it. Everything that fails in the garden grows better beside the house and the only difference is a few tons of limestone under the house. So probably if you could up the pH level one full point over the entire place everything would grow. But hey figs grow good enough to not worry that much :).

Time: 30th December 2013 7:08pm

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Markmelb says...
Well your Avos are going so well - is the Ph close to the optimal 5.25? I love figs too - have you seen the Italian Golden Honey Fig? I got a cutting of Golden Fig at Werribee Heritage Grafting Day this year and has struck well - the graft I did to my Black Genoa didnt work but at least cutting growing well - I found the Hints from Growquest excellent esp using Gypsum and zinc - he also has a pretty good irrigation system to his pots too - looks hot where he is in probably the hills of Orange county?
Ie never seen Blacknose that big - have surfed it a couple times as well as crumpets and Murrels but dont like red rocks - very shifty and rippy - nothing like my Favs - Winki and Woolamai - Winki at 5 to 6ft is as memorable as a month in Bali or a week at GLand - id put a pic up but its not a plant - have you tasted SueBell - wilson vernon or reineke yet

Time: 30th December 2013 7:26pm

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Linton says...
Here's some pictures of one of the grafted asiminas.

It's about the same height as the 30cm ruler. Hope this helps.
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Time: 30th December 2013 7:57pm

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PS - I bought a YumYum Fig at Oakleigh Sunday Market which has an interesting history in the Dandenong ranges from an Italian Family selection - has some on it so hope theyre good - also stuck in Red Papaya in 430mm Pot and Golden Fig in 6inch pot
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Jason says...
Mark, yellowrock?. The first time I ever surfed a big boys break was yellow rock on the most horrible choppy messy of onshore winds, really windy day. We just wanted to go in and see it so my mate and I went in, no one else was there. We paddled out for a while.. By the time we sat up we were so far out to see you could barely see the coast! Lol (wasn't that funny) we spent the next couple of hours slowly getting back to safety, was hard work for underpowered teenage arms.

My pH is smack on 5.5 actually. Good guess :). I don't have many figs, well I have a few but not many good ones which ripen early enough.



Time: 31st December 2013 12:22am

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The Red Papaya photo in recent post is a Dwarf so hope it fruits before wint - just an experiment as i got in March and lived inside next to coffee over winter - the YumYum Fig has tiny leaves and was good value for $25 at market - must be at least 4 or 5 years old - Jason - Ive been out at Yellow Rock trying to surf rip bowls and is not fun when u cant keep position - havnt surfed the sharkey left at Murrells but had fun on the Bull Kelp half way to it - got some in my fin - Ive had some fun surfs at 4 to 5 ft at Johanna - boy that campsite gets so packed - had some great rides this time last year with one other - glad all the touros dont surf - Mark

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Jason says...
Mark, I forgot to say. I don't have suebell or Wilson (haven't even seen them in Australia) but I have Vernon and Reinecke. Vista is probably the best sapote I have when you consider tree growth, flavour and cropping all together. Pike is the most productive (too much). Vista is just more balanced and tastes a little better than Pike. Rienecke isn't very productive. Vernon.. Its ok but I really only have it as a pollinator.

Time: 1st January 2014 2:17am

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Markmelb says...
Hi Jason - HNYear
I planted Vernon next to suebell and reinecke from Mr G`s notes would like a Vista but running out of space - Wilson is mentioned in book as viable in Wellington NZ - so maybe ill make it astreet tree? Been Multigrafting an flowering apple in street - put a bit of Ballerina on it and is growing and flowering - wonder how it will go???
Will have to keep in touch when i have to prune suebell as looks better than Rainbow?


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Tommoz says...
Is there any place in NSW that have asimina triloba? Tried Spires Nursery, Canleyvale and Bonnyrigg.

Time: 21st July 2014 6:44pm

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Markmelb says...
Hi Linton - did your grafted Asiminas put on much growth this year - I planted my year old seedlings a couple weeks ago - ;)

Time: 21st July 2014 8:31pm

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Linton says...
Attn: Tommoz
you might be able to get some Asimina Trees sent to you from further afield. I can let you know 2 or 3 places but it depends on how much you are prepared to pay as the cost would be high, both for the tree and the freight.

Hi Mark
Not much growth yet as they have only been in the ground for 1 year and still getting established. I'm told that there's a lot going on underneath with the roots for the first few years and not much to see on top.
Cheers!

Time: 22nd July 2014 4:11am

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Don C says...
Hi Tommoz,
I ordered some seeds from HeddySue as mentioned in this thread "asimina tribola/American pawpaw/ temperate custard apple".
I planted 5 seeds and four came up. The other pot was dug up by something before it had a chance to germinate.
I received instructions on how to sow the seeds with the seeds.
If you can't find a plant and are prepared to grow from seed, HeddySue may be worth contacting to see if she still has seeds.
They are slow growing. I planted in Feb and mine are only about 10cm tall and not at all bulked up. I'm not a very generous carer though, they have to learn to look after themselves.

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Tommoz says...
Thanks Linton and Don C.

They are slow growing so I do not want to get seeds.

Who have them Linton, besides Yamina in Melbourne?

Time: 22nd July 2014 4:06pm

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Linton says...
Hi Tommoz

Since Yamina have the best cultivars such as Pennsylvania Gold I would have suggested them as the first place to try. They haven't had any stock for the past couple of years but I know they are still growing them and will make them available when ready.

Perrys Fruit in Adelaide had some little grafted ones which produced a couple of fruit for me in the first season last summer while they were still small. They don't list them on their stocklist so you would need to contact them and ask.

The other place that used to have 1.5 metres seed grown trees was Cascade Nursery. They are in the famous apple growing district of Batlow in southern NSW.

http://cascadesnursery.com.au/gallery.php?level=picture&id=257

As I haven't looked for any for over a year I don't know if these places still have them available or not, but worth a try. Cheers.


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BenW says...
Yamina has had a split I believe - there are now Yamina collectors nursery and Yamina rare plants.

I contacted the collectors nursery a few months ago and they hope to have some big enough for sale by the end of 2015. I haven't contacted Yamina Rare plants, who also list them, but was planning to.

I did get one from BAAG for $45 a few weeks ago (about 30cm tall) but that's probably more use to a local. Hopefully my seedlings come up so I will have something to pollinate it :D

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Tommoz says...
BenW, I have been in contact with Cascade Nursery in Batlow near ACT. His are 1.8-2m tall! And a great price at $60. Problem is the location, although he travels the region and is in Canberra at the Farmers' Market on a Saturday.

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BenW says...
That does seem pretty reasonable. Seedlings, I assume, not grafted ones?

Not that it really matters... That doesn't sound postable, and a 900km trip is pushing it :)

Time: 27th July 2014 2:04am

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Linton says...
Some baby Asiminas pictured.

Purchased from Diggers recently.
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Time: 11th December 2014 8:37pm

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Linton says...
The American Pawpaws are having flowers now.

Both the seedling trees from Cascades and the smaller grafted ones have flowers, much more than last year so hoping to get a few fruit to try this season.

I'm worried the birds might get to them first so would like to know if I should net the whole tree rather than just the fruit. The largest tree is about 2 metres high so it should be easy enough. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks.
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ivepeters says...
Nice.
If it's only birds your worried about, net the whole tree. Better safe than sorry.

Time: 16th October 2015 8:18pm

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Tommoz says...
Linton, if only the large one is flowering, then you probably won't get a fruit-set as they are highly self-infertile.

If you have at least 2 genetically distinct asimina flowering, I'd be hand cross-pollinating. Another trick is rotting meat hung on a limb, to attract blowfly pollinators.

I'd say you will only need to net when the fruit are near to getting ripe. Wildlife leave immature fruit alone.

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Linton says...
Just to let you know that all four of my pawpaws are currently flowering simultaneously at present, so it looks like I will get an even bigger crop this summer.

Pictures are of one of the Cascade trees. You also have to remember that each single flower produces a bunch of 3 or 4 fruit so there will be many more fruits produced than there are flowers.
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allybanana says...
Linton they look very impressive I noticed greed flowers and red ones do they start green and go red or are some flowers just different colors. This year I got my first flower after eight years of growth it was green, I bent the flower slightly up to get a better look inside and broke it off, serves me right for fiddling. What varieties do you have by the way, I would be interested in a taste comparison.

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Linton says...
Yes that's right, the flowers start off green when small and then turn red, going to almost black as they shrivel up and the tiny fruit clusters form which they are doing now.

I don't have any named varieties or cultivars, 4 seedling trees and 2 grafted ones from different suppliers which they state originate from trees bearing good quality fruit.

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allybanana says...
Thanks Linton that's interesting about the flowers. I hope they set fruit and taste amazing. I for one would be interested in the outcome.

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Linton says...
To net or not to net?????

The pawpaws are starting to get big and plump so I am wondering if I should bag them or not. There's no problem with fruit fly here, it's just the birds might get them if I don't.

Last year I put net bags on the clusters of fruit but the fruit were not as big as I had hoped. So I would like to know if bagging the fruit impedes the development of the fruit.

I did not net some apricots on my trees which ripened last week and the birds didn't touch them so maybe the pawpaws will escape their notice also. Please advise. Thank you.
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Peter91 says...
Maybe trial netting some this year and leaving others uncovered to see if anything goes for them Linton?

Those are looking great though, really envious as my trees are still only about 60cm or so tall.

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Linton says...
I'm sorry but it's too late. The birds already snipped a few off the tree which I found lying on the ground uneaten because they're too green. So I've gone around and bagged all of the bunches of fruit now, not taking any chances!

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Linton says...
The Pawpaw harvest has just finished now and have been eating them nearly every day for the past month.

These are a few from the grafted tree of a large fruiting type, sometimes known as 'Louis' or 'Melbourne'.

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Peter91 says...
What's the taste verdict on the Melbournes? I'm still waiting a few years for mine to fruit sadly.

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Linton says...
What is the size of your grafted tree? These fruit came from a tree that is still less than 1 metre high and it first fruited at about 50cm high 3 years ago. You will need another tree nearby that flowers at the same time for it to make fruit.

The taste of the Melbourne variety is very much the same as the seedling ones I have and both types are very good. It's probably not quite as strong with a more delicate flavour and smooth texture. Reminds me of the egg custard that's in custard tarts but is more flavoursome.

The Melbourne type has a plumper, more rounded fruit and there is a little more pulp in them than the seedling ones so it's marginally better overall. Hope yours will fruit next season.
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Peter91 says...
Mine is probably reaching around 80cm to 1m after the last growth spurt, I have a yamina seedling close by that is maybe 60cm and an even smaller Pennsylvania Gold seedling in the same patch.

I doubt any of mine will cross pollinate for another 3 years or so, I was also considering maybe getting another Melbourne if the fruit is good.

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MarkOConnor1 says...
I have a small amount of budwood from a self-fertile and delicious cultivar of Asimina. Would like to exchange it for budwood/scions of Pennsylvania Gold or other known varieties. Contact me at mark@Australianpoet.com Now would be the right time of year to chipbud or graft.

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HUTTO says...
Linton do you recall what varieties of Asimina triloba you are growing?

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Linton says...
I can’t tell you what varieties they are because the local nurseries just give them names they make up so it doesn’t indicate their parentage. Even the grafted trees I bought were not sold as named varieties are although the nursery did tell me the source of the parent tree. Some of my other trees were grown from seeds which came from self fertile parent trees in Europe having the registered names, Sunflower and Prima 1216. However it might not be legitimate to call the seedlings offspring also Sunflower and Prima although it is cited that Pawpaw seeds grow true to type and I believe that they will also be self fertile like their parents. I also have some of the dwarf types and low chill ones which would probably do well in warmer zones.
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HUTTO says...
Interesting - it is very hard to find named varieties other than from Yamina Rare Plants - varieties like Pennsylvania Gold $150 for a plant.


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HUTTO says...
My seedlings are two years old and they are over 50cm tall Mid North Coast, NSW

Time: 11th April 2022 7:32am

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HUTTO says...
I found I had to buy Asimina triloba seeds on ebay from Heddy Sue, I germinated seeds 2 years ago, onsold some plaqnts and the runts of the litter I retained - they are now over 50cm tall.

I am about to germinate another 20 seeds - my earlier plants are still in large pots.

Time: 11th April 2022 7:38am

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HUTTO says...
Don, Did your plants keep growing in your part of the MNC?

Time: 11th April 2022 7:39am

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MarkOConnor1 says...
Perry's nursery in SA has a self-fertile variety called Melbourne. Possibly a synonym for Sunflower. Good taste.
They tolerate heavy frost but dislike strong wind or poor drainage. Tend to fail on heavy clay. A riverside tree in nature, they don't like heavy clay or stagnant water. Or drought. If you have the right conditions, they fruit generously, and almost everyone likes the taste. Seedlings of good varieties often give good fruit. You need two of those for pollination.

Time: 12th April 2022 1:17am

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Linton says...
Melbourne is just a name made up by Perrys because it came from a tree in Melbourne so it is not the name of a variety. It's highly unlikely that it is Sunflower because the parent tree in Melbourne was grown long before Sunflower was developed.

Time: 12th April 2022 8:44am

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Julie says...
What is the best time to prune Asimina? I have an old tree grown from seed that is far too tall, can't reach the fruit. It's been a bit neglected and I'd like to try and revive it. I'm in WA, getting cooler now after a very hot summer.

Time: 12th April 2022 12:17pm

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DonC says...
Hi Hutto,

Four of my five seeds came up and were planted into the garden. One was moved and subsequently whipper snippered and died. The other three are all surviving still. They have all been neglected and my garden is on a ridge with shallow soil. Soil that you can not push a digging fork any further than 5-10 cm into.
The best of the three has only reached 1m after almost 8 years. I think something other than neglect may be required to get these fruiting.

Time: 14th April 2022 6:29pm

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