Attractive Artocarpus ? (forum)

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Several large trees planted at Whyanbeel of this Artocarpus . Leaf shape has matured into this very attractive complex shape . I think it is A. elasticus and supposedly grows into an enormous tree .
Fruitist I would appreciate any thing you could tell me about this sp. Person holding the leaf is Peter Sargent owner of Whyanbeel Arboretum .
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Time: 4th December 2008 2:32pm

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Ellen says...
wow, I loves your garden space Peter Sargent,,,,so much room / spaces to plant more plants . hihihi

Time: 5th December 2008 7:45am

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trikus says...
Peter does do tours of his property for a price and if booked in advance . Information at resorts around Port Douglas . I worked there for 10 year.

Time: 5th December 2008 12:02pm

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From the pinnately lobed leaves, possibilities are Marang (A. odoratissimus) or Pedalai (A. sericicarpus) or Tekalong (A. elasticus). Young tree of A. elasticus usually has 2 or 3 lobes but the pictures show many lobes. From the leaf, I would say 60% Pedalai and 40% Tekalong.

How far is this arboretum from A.Carle's orchard?

Time: 5th December 2008 6:52pm

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trikus says...
Thanks for that , the Arboretum is just past Karnak and before Kingfisher Lane . You are still on the bitumen , Alans is at the end of the road .
I remember the trees having lobed leaves when young , and looking very different to Merang trees nearbye.

Time: 5th December 2008 8:48pm

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Missed visiting the Arboretum. Thought it was AC's place. I remember the road well, having to drive back from the end to Karnak Playhouse to ask for direction. But no one knows AC. So, I drove all the way to the end and via left.

Trina at Feluga has a hugh Pedalai. Don't ask her to take you there. She tore through barb wire, fallen trees and hugh boulders to get to the top of the hill where the tree is. The tree is a giant about 60ft tall.

Time: 6th December 2008 6:42pm

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Alans place is called 'The Botanical ARK' and he does not encourage visitors , you must arrange a visit . Usually only small groups of tourists go and pay for a informative tour and dinner .
Caught up with person who grrew the trees planted at the Arboretum and hope to get some seedlings . Talked to owner of Trinas orchard and will get a taste of Pedali as they are on now . Also asked curator of Flecker re. Pedali and he pointed out tree in the garden and it looks nothing like this leaf , but maybe variation within species ?
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fruitist says...
I have been to AC place with only half hour notice for him. Was lucky for me.

When you see Traina and her orchard's partner P.S., please say hello for me, tell them I am the Chinese guy from Brisbane and Borneo just after Cyclone Larry with another guy from Perth who now lives in Innisfail. And don't forget to take photos of the Pedalai fruit.

We are getting close with ID the leaf and the tree. When you see Trina and PS, show them the picture of Peter Sargent's leaf. They may help you to rule out Pedalai.

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Picture of the leaf has been shown to Peter , and also some experts from America . Fairchild Gardens suggested A.rigidus . Seed came from the Grays collection at the Daintree General Store.
And on talking to the propagator have sourced some great seedlings ... a few Durio dulcis and other rare gems I have never heard of .

Time: 9th December 2008 8:44am

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fruitist says...
A picture of the Pedalai leaves below.

So Peter Solxxxx said the leaf held by Peter Sargent is not Pedalai???

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/patusho25/pedalai.jpg

Please tell me more about the Daintree General Store. You mean they sell seeds and seedlings too??? Is it a store or a nursery? What is the address?



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trikus says...
Maybe its just that Artocarpus have polymorphic foliage . Peter Sargent tried many Pedalai fruits in Kuching a few years ago . Vendor had some leaves and they were very lobed much like the leaf he is pictured holding . BUT , when the curator of the local Botanic Gardens points out a leaf and tells you it is XXX and one of the larger growers in your town does not recognize a leaf .. it makes me wonder . I must visit a local lady who has a published article on Artocarpus , and have a good read . It is now my mission over the next few years to discover and catalog as many of the spp. being grown in Australia .

Made a mistake on the seed source , its actually the old original Cape Tribulation General Store I meant .. They have a large orchard there , and have done fruit tastings for many years.
. Should be easy to find , it was set back from the road . But everything has changed so much over the years up there . Picture is a leaf of a seedling Keledang I got from Trina . Any idea of sp. name for this ?
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Time: 12th December 2008 10:03pm

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Kath says...
Keledang - A. lanceifolius.
See the Rare fruit Review 2009 for a great article, Fruit Fantasies - Add some Artocarpus to your collection.

Time: 13th December 2008 5:39am

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tr says...
Hoped to get my copy at last meeting only a week ago . But it was not up here yet . Look forward to reading that article .

Time: 13th December 2008 8:10am

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fruitist says...
This is a confusing leaf. The front part of the leaf suggests a lobed leaf. The 2 "leaflets" nearest to the stipule suggest it is not a compound leaf such as a possible pinnate leaf.

Question: Is the seedling a Artocarpus genus? The tip of the seedling suggests it is. If it is then a possible Kwai Muk without going to other rare ones?





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It is a seedling Keledang from Trina .
I have both KwaiMuk and Lakocha and it is nothing like either . I have seen and picked fruits from mature trees of both of these sp. also . I was shown a mature Keledang , but did not get out of the car as I was wedged in from the violent trip up there

Time: 13th December 2008 7:40pm

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trikus says...
Finally tasted a few of these Keledang at the recent 'Feast of the Senses' held in Innisfail last weekend . Very sweet .
The name is Artocarpus anisophyllus .
Opened fruit here and some skin I scavanged from the display .
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Time: 5th April 2010 10:20pm

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amanda says...
Great pics trikus! Interesting species name - i think "aniso" is latin for different shape/size? wonder what it means for this fruit! was it good? did it taste like anything else you have tried (and please don't say chicken...he he!!)

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trikus says...
Very pleasant taste , sweet and soft , did not really taste of anything familiar.
Name suits it as the foliage can be very diferent from young to mature .

Time: 9th April 2010 12:01pm

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amanda says...
Hey trikus - have you ever tasted the Kwai Muk by any chance?
Do they grow it up/over there?

Also - I buy canned Jackfruit here - which I really like in fruit salad - is it even better fresh?
I haven't bought one as they are too massive for just me..can u freeze the flesh?

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trikus says...
Amanda , yes I have eaten a few of these , very nice .. sub-acid .
Imagine a dried apricot soaked in lemon juice mmmmmm yummy.
I have 2 trees planted out and they are doing very well . And there are 2 very large ones up at the arboretum I used to work at .This should have a fair bit of dry tolerance , do you have any ?
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Time: 13th April 2010 12:46pm

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amanda says...
Hi trikus - nice plants - are they your Kwai Muks? Mine looks a little different - I hope I have the right one..!!?
It was planted in Aug09 and has just started to kick up its heels n grow for me.
The rollinia, wampi's and lychee are doing really well - but my longon still sulking. Not very organic - but they responded really well to calcium nitrate and trace elements thru the retic....even the jaboticabas seem happy at last.

I am amazed that any of them even grow here in the wind and heat. I am hoping to dig them all up and take them to Busselton with me...will have to make a microclimate for them there tho.
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trikus says...
I may have my names mixed up , will get back to you . Very similar fruits on very different trees . Yours has much cold tolerance .

Time: 14th April 2010 9:07am

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Amanda, that doesnt look like the kwai muk i have. Not sure what you have there? Mine looks identical to trikus's kwai muk.



Time: 14th April 2010 12:09pm

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amanda says...
Hi HappyEarth/trikus...the more mature leaves are straightening out now...but when it was young they were all lobed liked that. It's an ex-Daleys plant (that's their label) and there was picture label too - but I can't find that yet...

Time: 14th April 2010 12:34pm

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trikus says...
DUH the pictures of the larger fruited larger leafed plant are Lakucha or Artocarpus lakoocha .. a few web sites have also got them mixed up . I just re-read info I had and double checked .
Seems there are a few other closely related species .. Artocarpus dadah common names Dadak , Utu and Selanking that are all very similar .

Amamnda yes your tree should be a Kwaimuk and very cold tolerant . Foliage will become more even as it matures . Mate has a 5 year old tree that is enormous ,, first fruit crop all fell off after extended dry spring. He is pruning of top few meters as it blocks the view from new rear deck .
Here is my small tree a few months after planting . I has grown well is now approx 4m in 3 years from a 1m seedling in a 150mm pot . Another in the back yard in very poor ash based dumpings from the sugar mill is 1m shorter in same time frame . I gave one to next door neighbours hoping for better crosspollination in the future .

Gee there are so many more Artocarpus species to get , real pity there are so few suitable for you poor people who do not live in the wet tropics .
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amanda says...
Yes trikus! it's just like looking at mine. I was inspired by the 2009 Rare Fruit Review to have a go. I hope u or others, manage to collect and distribute as many as possible one day....b4 the forests are turned into furniture!! :-(( they seem to be located in very precarious locations.

It is through the efforts of people like yourself and Mr Sargent that may be the only reason these spp survive one day.

I have developed a bit of an addiction to Jackfruit - so I hope I like these too. The Chempadek (A.integer) might be another one I could try?

I have 4 jaboticabas all in a row - 2 ok, 1 miserable and one powering along...it's weird as they get treated the same...

If u go to these places on holiday - can u bring the seeds back do u think?

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trikus says...
The grooviest granny in the world [ as I call her ] Kerry Macovoy has recently returned from another trip to Borneo . I will have to check what she brought back this time . She has a massive collection . I am pretty certain she got all of the ones David Chandlee brought back . He wrote article on Artocarpus. Another sp. I got from Kerry id A. rigidus or Monkey Jak .. must check as this common name seems to be applied to several species . Foliage loks different to anything I have seen so far .
As for bringing seed back , due to short viability it would be best to organize permits and a mate to plant seeds and send back the moment you have eaten the fruit . Though all fruit written about in article should be still in cultivation here .

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amanda says...
Great info trikus... there is no reason why many of these plants can't be brought here for preservation, until their countries of origin are no longer third world. I am sure they would love to have them back one day.

If I ever get to these places I would love to get out and collect seed to send to QLD folk. I loved foraging for bush food when camped out over the top end (and most of that is NOT yummy!!?)

All the best with your catalogue of spp. Good on u!

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trikus says...
I did a walk through Whyanbeel Arboretum while there celebrating the owners 50th birthday. I did this with the person who collected and propagated the seeds of the trees . There are several planted and most are doing well , they have set a few small fruits that dropped early , so heres hoping for a good crop next year .
Got some sprouted seeds of a superior Chempadek and also,a few seedlings of Chempajak a cross with Jakfruit .

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amanda says...
Trikus - your posts are so interesting and inspiring! U seem to grow something just for the love of it maybe? Rather than expecting a "perfect crop"/fruit or whatever...?
I must admit I am envious - not having the same environment I can't "do" the tropical fruits etc. But I really enjoy "challenging" almost any spp I can find, to grow here in Gero'. Eg; Would u believe that the humble geranium hates it here - but my lychee tree is going great guns?? I have loads of wierd examples like that.

Let us know how your Chempadek's go won't u.

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I must admit to growing several purely decorative trees . A few Sarraca species .
A native Maniltoa lenticellata and an Amherstia nobilis , as well as several thousand decorative aroids and bromeliads .
But eventually many will be grown epiphytically and will be entertainment high in the canopy while picking and pollinating fruit . Here are a few broms and a pendant orchid on a Star Apple branch about roof height .
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amanda says...
Nice photo Trikus! Very aesthetic looking arrangement I reckon. Your tree looks lovely n healthy too :-)

Time: 13th May 2010 9:50pm

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trikus says...
These are Artocarpus anisophyllus seedlings . Very different foliage to all the other artocarpus seedlings I have grown .
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amanda says...
Where did u get the seed trikus? Lovely healthy seedlings - u are good are this! Is there a common name for this fruit?
It's a bummer we have to wait so long to see the fruit! ;-)

Time: 30th July 2010 4:01pm

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trikus says...
Amanda these are keledang seedlings , you pointed out the meaning of the name to me a few posts up .

Time: 31st July 2010 8:50am

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amanda says...
Kath has called them: Keledang - A. lanceifolius (post above - 2008)? ("lance-like" foliage maybe?)
Are artocarpus a bit variable? or are they still being identified/classified?

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micarle says...
Artocarpus nitida?? any pics??? Taste?

Time: 10th December 2010 3:50pm

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trikus says...
Another obscure sp. think correct spelling is Artocarpus nitidus , Fruit similar to Lakoocha , Fruit World seems to have/had it .

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micarle says...
I have some seeds coming up at the moment!!!

Time: 11th December 2010 1:29pm

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big kev says...
Do Marang,s need to be cross pollinated ? as I have one that is bearing fruit, however they are dropping off after a couple of weeks after fruit set.My tree is over 25 yrs old, about 4mtrs high.

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trikus says...
An extra tree for cross pollination might be helpfull kev. Don't they just smell divine ? Even more stinky than Durian .
looks like great fruit set on both Lakoochas . Pulling down the top of one that was getting a bit to high .. will lop off top and prune both after picking fruit . Very pleased with growth of this sp.

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trikus says...
Pic of lobed leaf Kwaimuk seedling halfway thru this thread .


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VF says...
Found it, thanks. Good reading in these posts too.

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trikuslaptop1 says...
Fruit set on Mendi , tree that has attractive complex leaf pictured on first pic in this thread .
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MIke T1 says...
Mmmmm I am after seeds of mendi.I have tried A.hirsutus and A.rigidis lately and they are good being on par with pedalai and keledang. I planted seeds of A . nanchuanensis and have only one that sprouted.The anjili (hirsutus) reaches70m so is the biggest tree in the genus.

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Mike Tr says...
A.hirsutus looks a lot like monkey jack but has spines not marang style knobs
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trikuslaptop1 says...
Mike , get in touch with Peter Sargent , fruit will be dropping very soon . I have a rigidus from Kerrie Mcavoy.


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Ive got a pot full of A. nanchuanensis and one of A. chama next to each other. Unfortunately I didn't label them, so I'm not sure what's what at this stage! If anyone has a source for A. hirsutus, I'd be happy to pay, as they sound likely cold tolerant and tasty - a good mix.

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MIke T1 says...
Those fruit are on the road and the seeds will winging overseas in a few days.

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MIke T1 says...
I will just have to console myself with other fruit until they arrive.

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It is what is inside that counts.
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trikuslaptop1 says...
Local expert David Chandlee and Trina with fresh cut Breadnut leaves for photoshoot .

Also 8 Artocarpus spp displayed here .
Jakfruit , Mendi , Lakoocha , Kwaimuk , Pedali , Marang , Chempadek & Keledang
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