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hi! has anyone got a black sapote to fruit in Adelaide? I bought a seedling from daleys and I hope it was not a waste of money!

Time: 5th September 2013 1:28pm

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starling says...
Depends what you mean by 'waste of money'.

Personally, I think black sapote should come under the moniker 'wishful thinking fruit' as opposed to 'chocolate pudding fruit'.

The reality is, it tastes extremely little like chocolate pudding. Let me clarify:

Lets say you went and bought a chocolate muffin--or a chocolate milk--or a chocolate anything, and it tasted precisely like black sapote.

The reality is, you would subsequently, after having tasted a single morsel, throw that product into the bin, and never buy it again.

Because it would not have remotely met your expectations as to what chocolate tastes like.

If tomorrow nestle brought out a chocolate pudding cup that tasted like black sapote, this would prove to be the company's most unsuccessful venture in its operational history.

Now, no doubt there will be some people (probably those who have spent a huge time investment into keeping BS trees watered etc) who will disagree,and it will be these people who, predictably, reply to this post telling me that I haven't tried the right cultivar/ variety etc. But I've tried a few, and haven't been impressed by any of them. Maybe if you include BS in a chocolate dish with, say, something like real chocolate, it might taste more like real chocolate. but I'm being straight with you.On its own however, It doesn't taste like chocolate very much. At all.

Perhaps when people say BS (think about that abbreviation a little bit, its fitting for the fruit in question) tastes like chocolate what they mean is that it tastes more like chocolate than, say,a concrete bridge. And this is no doubt true.

But it aint' lindt.

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Time: 5th September 2013 1:37pm

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BJ says...
Lindt ain't real chocolate. It's mostly sugar. My so called bernicker has a great taste, like a chocolate adulterant jelly. Not exactly chocolate, but closer to chocolate than a custard apple is to custard, or a sweet sop is to bread pudding...

Time: 5th September 2013 1:42pm

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starling says...
This is exactly my point BJ: A lot of common names for fruits seem to require some serious revision, because in reality they taste very little, indeed absolutely nothing like, the articles to which they refer.

They are, simply, very bad synonyms, or perhaps metaphors (this would make more sense, the connections are often absurdly abstract).

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Time: 5th September 2013 1:50pm

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denise1 says...
A properly ripened choc pudding fruit is great to my taste.It is best with some whipped cream folded in or just fresh cream drizzled on top. There are ways to prepare most foods. For example how many people would ever buy an onion if they were only eaten raw. Could we get back to the subject of wether the black sapote will fruit successfully in Adelaide. Perhaps if you tried the dwarf Maher variety it could fit into a greenhouse structure of some kind. If you have little or no frost it will be easier. Any feedback from someone in Adelaide?

Time: 5th September 2013 3:23pm

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starling says...
Denise,

I understand. I'm not saying chocolate pudding fruit tastes bad (this would be ridiculous, because taste is subjective) I'm just saying that it doesn't taste like chocolate. Or chocolate pudding. I adamantly support your right to eat as much of it as you choose to.

An onion tastes like, well...onion, cooked or raw. Referring to BS as 'chocolate pudding fruit' is an amazingly pretentious third-party reference; it simply doesn't constitute a rational comparison. Because BS is most like chocolate, or chocolate pudding, does not entail that it is very much like either at all. In the spectrum of similarities, the two are greatly separated.

Carob tastes more like chocolate than Black sapote.

For example, if I asked you what shallots taste like, chances are you would reply that these taste like onions.

This would not be drawing a long bow, because in fact both onions and shallots are remarkably similar--nigh identical. In fact, I couldn't even explain the difference. Perhaps one is sweeter and less...peppery, than the other.

I'm saying at no point does BS taste like chocolate with the same intensity as onions taste like shallots. As I said in my original post, I'm sure that BS tastes more like chocolate if you add something to it that makes it taste more like chocolate.
Something like chocolate would do it.

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Time: 5th September 2013 4:37pm

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Jason says...
It tastes like dirt, even real dirt tastes like chocolate if you put enough ice cream on it. Not a fan of fruits that need additives to taste good

Time: 5th September 2013 4:43pm

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ivepeters says...
You said it Jason.
Nothing better than eating it straight from the tree.
I think the name must relate to the colour and consistency of the pulp.
It sure isn't the flavour.

Time: 5th September 2013 5:31pm

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Mike says...
I have eaten plenty of dirt before and black sapote is nothing like it.A dirt smoothie would taste quite different.It doesn't have the skin bitterness of some white sapotes and it is all in the expectations and how you eat a specific fruit.Sapotes can't really be pooled as a particular type of fruit because they come from all different families and can refer to frut as different as matisia and sapodilla.

Time: 5th September 2013 6:58pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
My Maher tree unexpectedly gave me an out of season fruit last week, fully ripe on the tree. They are nice with a little port splashed on the cut surface or a squeeze of lime, but I do feel they are quite chocolatey when made into a smoothie - perhaps it's the vanilla and the egg I add to the mix.

Time: 5th September 2013 7:49pm

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BJ says...
I wouldn't go for a dwarf like Maher, which can still be a monster of a tree. You need a grafted tree with no apical leader. They tend to branch very low and stay close to the ground that way. My 4yo bernicker is only 1.5m high and gives heaps of fruit. Can be kept small for quite a while like this.

Time: 5th September 2013 10:30pm

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vlct says...
Is there a self polinating variety ?
Or all need some form of cross.. thanks

Time: 6th September 2013 8:29am

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BJ says...
all varieties are self pollinating. Only a few seedlings are male, and even those usually swithch to bisex after some period of time.

Time: 6th September 2013 9:22am

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vlct says...
Would ricks late be suitable for adelaide. Flowering closer to spring. Thanks b.j

Time: 6th September 2013 10:03am

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Duck says...
Hi have a Black Sapote tree in my front garden that has fruit on it that Our family has been happily enjoying since the beginning of November my tree came from Daleys and although the cold winter months give the tree a hard time it is now two metres tall and still trying very hard to be a successful tree in Adeiaide . We are on the northern side of Adelaide in the inner suburbs and the tree has full sun and we look after it with organic chicken pellets as the main fertiliser.

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sandy31 says...
Can Black Sapote be grown in Sydney West ? We have frost in winters. Thanks

Time: 26th July 2019 6:30pm

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