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Is there any black sapote variety that is sweet? Thanks

Time: 27th May 2015 6:33pm

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Bangkok says...
I never had one myself but if they are not sweet then what's the hype about a black sapote?

Do they have a good taste without being sweet? They also don't taste like chocolate is what i read.

Time: 18th July 2015 2:14am

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Manfred says...
I am saddened that no-one has responded to this earlier- I was waiting for those with more expertise to cover the ground.

I would be surprised if there were any black sapotes which are not sweet, but there is a fair bit of variation in taste from tree to tree. I only have one named variety and a number of seedlings. Some are chocolatier and some are creamier- all are sweet.

I don't pick any until one or two have ripened on the tree.

If yours don't ripen on the tree it may just be too cool in your area for them to develop sweetness.

If you don't let them soften enough, either on the tree, or after picking hard, they taste like a mixture of chocolate and compost. Not recommended.

Time: 19th July 2015 11:17am

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MIke T1 says...
There is only modest variety in taste between varieties and they are not like chocolate mud cake only in appearance being more caroby.None are substantially sweeter than others but should be eaten well ripened to maximize sugars.The 8 or 9 top cultivars vary between 100g and 2 kg when ripe but most are around the 400g mark.Eating them with ice cream,yogurt or cream can improve the taste.

Time: 19th July 2015 12:04pm

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ivepeters says...
Made into an icecream, tasted great.
Less seeds with the better cv's helps, just waiting for mine to ripen now.

Time: 19th July 2015 2:02pm

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sternus1 says...
Adding coco powder to them does make them taste genuinely like chocolate mousse if whipped. There's so much sugar in them you don't really need to add any, either.

Time: 19th July 2015 2:06pm

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Bangkok says...
I see, so grown in Thailand they should be very sweet as well i guess.

I have never seen the fruit but know 1 shop who grows it.



Time: 19th July 2015 8:23pm

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Linton says...
Black Sapotes are in the fruit shops here at the moment but they are still hard, not soft.

Last year I bought some which were soft and quite good to eat. I sent the seeds from them to India where they readily germinated and can be seen growing there in this picture. Therefore they should be easy to grow in Thailand if the climate is similar to south of India.




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Time: 19th July 2015 9:04pm

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sternus1 says...
They are perfectly ripe when the skin begins to turn a metallic colour.

Time: 20th July 2015 7:56am

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Bangkok says...
It's always exciting to grow a fruittree when you have never tasted the fruit before.

Almost all the fruit that i grow now (around 75 tree's) i have never tasted or seen before.

But black sapote is one of those that i want to taste first. I read there are many different black sapote variety's so i hope the Thai grower has the best one (and picks it at the right moment from the tree).

So Starling you consider black sapote better then black jaboticaba ? (since you won't grow jabo's).





Time: 20th July 2015 8:23am

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sternus1 says...
Yes, I definitely consider black sapote superior to jaboticaba, which is so, so overhyped--but you have to give them a chance, and they have to be very ripe to develop a good amount of sugar. You might not immediately like them because they aren't a subacid fruit, and we're just not used to eating purely sweet fruits. I do really recommend adding coco powder to them at first.

Time: 21st July 2015 6:58am

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Thithi says...
Thanks everyone,
Nice to hear that black sapotes are sweet. Since 1 of my persimmon trees probably died, I think bs could be good since the seasons are different. I am worried that bs fruit may not be ripen in Melbourne cold weather.
Does anybody know roughly how long it takes from flowers to ripe fruit?

Time: 21st July 2015 5:03pm

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Grant says...
I Am in Northern NSW and mine take 8-12 months to ripen. It is never without fruit, when i prune something gets sacrificed. Great tree!

Time: 21st July 2015 6:37pm

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Thithi says...
Thanks grant. What varieties are your bs?
I am considering benicker, rick late or maher. Think I will grow only one bs cos I don't want cross polination

Time: 24th July 2015 5:58pm

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Grant says...
Mine is a seedling which had me worried at first but fortunately it has turned out to be a great tree. Fruit in 3 years, taste excellent, very fast growing, no seeds, i cut the top off each year or it would get too big to check and pick fruit.
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Time: 25th July 2015 6:27pm

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Markmelb says...
Grant - nice BS - shame you dont know what CV - trouble with mine here in melb they take a couple years to get to any size to at least consider to ripen? At least they dont go bad on the tree whilst waiting????

Time: 25th July 2015 11:34pm

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Grant says...
Wow, and i thought mine took a long time to ripen!! Mine had no information when i bought it re. CV. But the fruit are not flatish like some and average 600g with some up to 1kg

Time: 26th July 2015 11:17am

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Markmelb says...
They only get to billiard ball size at most but it is way out of it climate needs - because sap must slow down alot thru winter to complete the fruit cycle of growth?
I havnt heard of anyone else around Melb with a consistently fruiting Black Sapote (persimmon)

Time: 26th July 2015 12:20pm

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Thithi says...
Mark, are you still waiting for the fruit to ripen after a couple years?

Time: 30th July 2015 3:23pm

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