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Carolina Black Rose Grape Vine

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au0rey starts with ...
Hi all,

My Daley's grape vine is growing very very well but I have not seen a single bunch of flowers (whereas I have got neighbours' flowering away). It is in its second summer now and crawling up the pergola...

It also has got lots of side shoots growing along the two main leaders. Is there a need to remove all these side shoots? How can I encourage flowering? Where should the flowers appear? Or am I being too impatient...I dont really know anything about growing grapes but surely would love to pick some of my own hehe...

Thanks!!!
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11th December 2010 11:18am
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Diana says...
Hi AuOrey,

I think it looks healthy but too small to flower, it needs to be growing horizontally along the beam a metre or two more. Flowers grow very soon after the leaves come back in Spring. You need to prune most of the green shoots off when it is dormant, leaving a couple of nodes of this season's shoots and the main stems (the ones with bark). The new spring growth will grow flowers next year. Pruning correctly is the most important thing to get fruit on grapes.
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12th December 2010 11:14pm
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au0rey says...
Diana, thanks! Looks like I will have no grapes to eat this year :(...must be the wrong pruning doggy did to it last autumn...

I will try out the pruning you mentioned in winter. Thanks!
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Diana says...
Thanks, Au0rey.
It would be a good idea to check a diagram of the techniques next winter before you cut anything. I used 'pruning for fruit' by B. Morphett.

Diana.
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santo says...
Here's my carolina blackrose pict. i think you have to let the vine grow outside the canopy, vines like directly face the sky.
i have my vine potted, and let it grow out up to the roof, because i don't have much space.
you can visit my blog anggurindo.wordpress.com to see my grapes. and i have a pps file to show how to train and prune grape based on what i learned and my own experience, though i'm in tropical country, i hope it can help.
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santo says...
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kert says...
Bagus sekali. Tapi Carolina Black Rose biasanya hitam,betul?
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santo says...
Thanks, yes, usually it is dark red, but i used a fruit hormon to make the fruit larger and sweeter, but the hormon somehow blocked the coloring. I read this can happen to some red grapes, so the growers use ethepon to color their red grapes.
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kert says...
Santo, musti banyak fungicide punja,betul? Jangmana paling baik? Mancozeb atau Ziram dan Kupfer ?
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Santo says...
No, I never use fungicide for the last 2 years, or as long as I have these vines. I do experience fungus grew in the lower trunk near the soil 3 times when I accidently gave them fresh pineapples skin for manure, I just get rid of the pineapples skin, peal the fungus with my hand, rub the infected area with crushed fern root - diplazium esculentum and let the trunk get enough sun shine. I read you can use sulphur to cure the fungus. I once used fungicide on my seedlings, and they all just dead-really dead!
I used a Canadian made organik fungicide, I forgot the brand, my seedlings were sensitive or I mixed wrong quantity, but I never want tp use fungicide again. I just peal the infected area, clean it, rub it with crushed fern root and let it dry and get more sunshine. The fern is the one that used to protect orchid and Camila from fungus, it also can be eaten as vegetable, it grows wild here.
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kert says...
I think you misunderstood me . I was asking about fungicide for Downey mildew ,Powdery Mildew, Black Spot and Botrytis, all of which thrive in humid climates like Bali. I expect you are inland at some elevation?
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santo says...
i'm in bali until feb 10th. r u living in bali? where r u if u don't mind me visit u?
i read, we can use baking soda for pm and dm like using it for roses. please search it in sites urself, i once had isabella grape and it has dm, my resolution is to trim the infected leaves. then i didn't satisfy w/ the fruit, so i chopped it off.
sorry i don't have any experience w/ fungicide for pm-dm.
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santo says...
if u r in bali, u can find a book 'bertanam anggur' published by penebar swadaya. it has pages about grape diseases and the insecticides n fungiside u can use to combat them.
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