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Is there anyone out there growing Cherry of the Rio Grande in the sunshine Coast region of Queensland, and if so, do you feel they are a worthwhile additiont to the garden and what do they taste like.

Time: 11th January 2010 7:03pm

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HappyEarth says...
Hi Suzanne, ive seen mature trees growing in northern nsw and they are one of the most beautiful small trees ive seen. Ive got two growing at my place in Wollongong and i find them very easy to grow. Never tried the fruits but have heard they are really good.

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Time: 12th January 2010 3:30pm

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Diana says...
Hi Suzanne,

There is a good one of these trees at Mt Coot-tha botanical gardens, in the orchard section (in my edibles under Mt Coot-tha botanical gardens). It has coppiced after being cut back by the look of it. This tree is well suited to south-east Qld. There are several people in the forum highly recommending them for flavour. Mine is healthy, but too young for fruit yet.

Diana

Time: 12th January 2010 9:00pm

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Suzanne says...
Thanks Diana. I will make the effort to have a look at this tree in the gardens. Cheers

Time: 14th January 2010 1:45pm

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Suzanne says...
thanks for your response. How much room would I need do you think. I am on about a 800sqm house block and am getting pretty well to capacity I feel.

Time: 14th January 2010 1:47pm

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Diana says...
Hi Suzanne,

It is a small tree (3-5m) that likes pruning. Mine looks like a shrub, I intend to keep it smaller than head height.

Diana.

PS You have no pictures, plants, name or place name in your my edibles page- it looks like it failed to load anything.
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Time: 14th January 2010 2:18pm

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David says...
Did a trip around the garden this arvo and discovered the cherry of the rio Grande tree only 1.5m tall and 7+ years in the ground has finally setting fruit will have pics if they hold on.Beleive me this was its final year if nothing happened this year. The age of miracles is not over yet.Anyone out there with this plant in there collection I emplore you to be patient. Noticed also that the flowering is more prolific.

Time: 21st September 2013 5:46pm

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Mike says...
Don't cross the Rio Grande.I have a few little ones in the ground that are growing fast and I know that can produce in about 3 years.I am chasing the large fruited improved types but have come up empty so far.

Time: 21st September 2013 7:16pm

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David says...
Hi Mike ,as usual keep me posted.

Time: 21st September 2013 7:19pm

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Mike says...
I have some small Eugenia neonitida, E.pitanga and E.matossi and I'm hoping at least one Eugenia species pulls its weight.

Time: 21st September 2013 8:44pm

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VF says...
How are the Eugenias' defences against Myrtle Rust? I've just had a small outbreak on a Midgen bush, and now am very worried as I have many other potential victims ( eugenias, guavas and culinary myrtle varieties.). :(

Time: 22nd September 2013 6:29am

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David says...
Hi VF, luckily here no sign of rust at all,am vigilant every week on the look out for it, every where I travel on the southside of Brissie I see outbreaks here and there, really bad is rose apple trees ,Jambos.

Time: 22nd September 2013 6:35am

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Mike says...
South and central American species handle rust better than Myrtaceae from Asia. Old world species are na

Time: 22nd September 2013 7:05am

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ivepeters says...
Both my Ceylon Hill Gooseberry, Rhodomyrtus tomentosa, got it something bad last year still recovering.
My Cedar bay and Midgen bushes hardly a speck, their all within metres of each other.


Time: 22nd September 2013 9:55am

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VF says...
Thanks for replies. My Cedar Bay ok at this stage. Ivepeters, have you been using any product in particular to help recovery? I'm also a bit puzzled with the disease - I have 3 Midgens, all within 30-40cm of each other, (and next to Ceylon Hill Gooseberry), but only the middle plant is affected.

Time: 22nd September 2013 8:25pm

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ivepeters says...
Their not as good as they once were, but hopefully with this spring weather some new growth will take over.
Doing the seasol every so often.
At the first sign, which was dramatic, gave everyone a good spray of mancozeb and copper.
There were some specks on the cedar bays but the spray took care of that.
Their all going great.

Time: 22nd September 2013 11:30pm

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ivepeters says...
Forgot to mention.
My Chilean Guava,Ugni molinae, suffered an attack at same time as Ceylon hill, but didn't seem to affected as bad.


Time: 22nd September 2013 11:39pm

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VF says...
Thanks Ivepeters, will try the same with most of my susceptibles (bar Lemon, Aniseed & Cinnamon myrtles - l don't know if fungicides compatible with consumption of leaves).

Time: 23rd September 2013 6:11am

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Don says...
Would anybody around brisbane be able to point me in the right direction as to where I could buy a cherry of the rio grande or buy some seed from somebodys backyard plants. Keen to try it but massive waiting list to get it from daleys. Any info would be much appreciated.

Time: 19th May 2014 9:40pm

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ivepeters says...
Got my couple from forbidden fruits.
http://forbiddenfruitsnursery.com/products/pricelist.htm

Time: 19th May 2014 11:14pm

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Mike Tr says...
They vary a lot in quality depending on the variety and I wonder what the source was for the ones here.I acquired a batch of seeds from a good type and couldn't give away the spare plants because people didn't know them.

Time: 20th May 2014 9:07am

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Don says...
Any chance you would have some left or seed at all mike tr or ivepeters, will pay good money for them, just really struggling to find any body with them growing down here let alone plants for sale.

Time: 20th May 2014 10:00pm

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Don says...
Sent email to forbidden fruits but they havnt got them advertised on their sale list, will wait to see if they reply.

Time: 20th May 2014 10:24pm

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Mike Tr says...
I don't have any seeds or plants in pots now and put 2 in the ground. Recently I was offered some seeds of a round fruiting variety and perhaps should not have turned up my nose at them.

Time: 20th May 2014 11:27pm

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Carl76 says...
Mike T, a Thai store on ebay are selling a large variety type , worth getting ??

Time: 21st May 2014 8:06pm

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Mike Tr says...
I know the one and many of the seeds are from fruits not grown in Thailand. Latin America and the US are where all the good ones are and there are giant types in Mexico and Brazil that I have heard of.
I am sceptical about ebay and the seed company must have suppliers in other parts of the world. I don't know how legit they are.By the way they are not legal to import,

Time: 21st May 2014 8:31pm

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Carl76 says...
Mike , thanks for the comments.

Time: 21st May 2014 8:36pm

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Mike Tr says...
If some good ones fall into my possession in the near future I'll send out an alert.

Time: 21st May 2014 8:38pm

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ivepeters says...
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If you should come across any excess Eugenia neonitida seeds as well.

Time: 21st May 2014 11:16pm

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ivepeters says...
Sorry Don , my two are yet to fruit. Hopefully later this year.

But 2 years might be a tad optimistic.

Time: 21st May 2014 11:17pm

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Mike Tr says...
ip you don't see many of those around. I have quite a few Eugenia species in pots and pitangatuba is one of them. It is unlikely I will get seeds again this year.I planted 3 small ones in the yard in the past few months.

Time: 22nd May 2014 5:25am

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Jenny says...
I have one, happy to share seeds if the bloody thing ever flowers & fruits again, it's got to be at least 6 years & a decent size but gave me NOTHING last season. I'd set my husband on to it to get rid of it but the (3!) fruit I got 2 years ago were lovely.

Time: 22nd May 2014 12:47pm

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ivepeters says...
Things happen when you least expect them to. Was surprised when I found some berries on the ground under by Cedar bay.

Time: 22nd May 2014 2:46pm

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Don says...
Thanks for the help all of you, I will keep looking and let yous know if im succesful! Ivepeters, how would you rate the cedar bay cherry I only discovered them the other day and was wondering how much variation there is among them as far as flavour goes. Another on my to get list I think. These eugenias are an interesting bunch of trees, I have two grumichamas at the moment and they are growing really well in big pots, very attractive plants.

Time: 23rd May 2014 9:47pm

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ivepeters says...
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Like a cherry in texture, nice not too sweet but it might have been due to the large amount of rain beforehand .
Worth the trouble ie myrtle rust.

Time: 23rd May 2014 9:56pm

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Don says...
Sounds good, I will give it a go.
Cheers

Time: 26th May 2014 6:34pm

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ivepeters says...
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Do you have a yellow grumichama ?

Time: 26th May 2014 8:59pm

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Don says...
No not yet Ive seen them but havnt got one yet! How many Eugenia species are available in Australia especially the east coast side of things?

Time: 28th May 2014 11:39am

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ivepeters says...
A fair few, have a spare yellow 40cms tall if you want one, only difference to black is that they are a yellow fruit.

Time: 28th May 2014 11:53am

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Edward says...
I bought a cherry of the rio grand from Daleys about a year ago. One of the small branches broke so I stuck it in potting mix to see if it would take. Two months later it still appears to be alive. I haven't checked for roots, but it does appear to have struck successfully. Thought this might be of interest to others on this forum who are keen to grow this plant.

Time: 30th May 2014 9:48pm

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Don says...
Finally got my hands on some rio grande cherries, have them available at forbidden fruits nursery thanks Ive! Also got a pitomba while I was there just to add another eugenia to my now growing collection. Would not knock back a yellow grumi if you dont need it Ive. Also anybody looking for black sapote, forbidden fruits has absolutely oodles of them for sale, 6ft tall trees for 5 bucks!! All grafted varieties just didnt have the room or otherwise I would have grabbed a couple.

Time: 31st May 2014 9:02pm

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ivepeters says...
That's great, now comes the wait.
contact me casteoff at optusnet dot com dot au

Time: 2nd June 2014 11:42pm

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Mike Tr says...
My pitomba volunteered its spot for a Eugenia cereja and I finally crossed the Rio Grande. I chopped one out to plant a fancy species of jaboticaba.


Time: 5th June 2014 8:27pm

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ivepeters says...
a elongated cherry, little info on it around.
Fancy jab ,
Mike could you clarify on both.

Time: 5th June 2014 8:48pm

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Mike Tr says...
ip E.cereja is like a broadleaf cherry of rio grande with longer fruit.I did plant E.lutescens,E.dysenterica,E.observa and E.pyriformis as well.
I have a few jaboticabas and planted white, M.coronata, Red hybrid,vexator and will plant trunciflorsa,guaquieba,oblongata and scarlet if space permits.

Time: 5th June 2014 10:34pm

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ivepeters says...
You'll make them fit I bet.
Hopefully in a few short years we'll have a taste comparison from you.

Time: 5th June 2014 11:22pm

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VF says...
E.dysenterica, what an unfortunate name! Cause or cure? Nice selection though Mike, and good score with the Jabo's especially the Red hybrid - will be interesting to see how fast it does fruit.

Time: 6th June 2014 6:11am

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JohnMc1 says...
I sourced some seed of Eugenia Dysenterica cagaita last month. Two seed arrived rotted and the other two have just now germinated. The artificially heated poly house is giving me a taste of Cairns.

Time: 6th June 2014 8:17am

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Don says...
Mike tr, where do you source your eugenias from? You have some very interesting species there, am just starting to learn about them now and trying tofind how many types are in australia. I like the look of cereja but confiused are they the same as rio grande or different as alot of the sites contradict each other. Nice collection anyway!

Time: 6th June 2014 9:10pm

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Don says...
Email sent ive

Time: 6th June 2014 9:42pm

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MaryT says...
Don I was in Canley Vale nursery today and saw that they have a number of Rio Grande in stock.

Time: 13th June 2014 5:04pm

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Rio Grande at Canley Vale today

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Time: 13th June 2014 5:40pm

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Carl76 says...
Mike
Got some M.vexator seeds, how best to sprout them.
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Time: 14th June 2014 7:44pm

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Mike Tr says...
Carl just plant them 1cm under potting mix and keep them warm with filtered light. They are the easiest jaboticaba to germinate. Now you'll have to chase the other glamorous species with scarlet, red hybrid, tenella, coronata ad a about 10 others on the hit list.

Time: 14th June 2014 8:26pm

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Carl76 says...
Thanks Mike
Debated whether or not to use GA3.
Haven't heard about scarlet & tenella.
Hope you complete your wish list .

Time: 14th June 2014 8:32pm

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Mike Tr says...
Save your GA3 for red bayberries,morolos and ilamas.

Time: 14th June 2014 10:41pm

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Don says...
Thanks tmary, how big and how much do they want for them? Do they post plants at all as I am in brisbane? My couple I got a couple of weeks ago arent going real flash, might have gone a bit hard on them when repotting as they were pretty rootbound.

Time: 27th June 2014 10:31pm

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Don says...
Miketr, could I ask where I could find eugenia cereja plants for sale? Would like to give them a try. Have been trying to do a bit of research on them since you mentioned them a while back and am keen to try them. If not would I be better joining a tropical fruit club or something along those lines?

Time: 27th June 2014 10:36pm

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Mike Tr says...
Don I have never joined any clubs like that and don't know if you can get many rarities through them.The E.cereja is not as common as cherry of rio grande and I'd be surprised if there are any sellers of them around. Only about 2 to 3% of Eugenias are available in Australia. I had a few seeds of a number of species sent to me as a one off thing.

Time: 28th June 2014 8:07am

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MaryT1 says...
Don I think they were in 20cm pots (?)and selling for $35 each. Some look like they are due for potting up. I don't know if they would send interstate.

Their number is 02 9723 2688.

Time: 28th June 2014 9:32am

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Don says...
Agh too easy mike, didnt think we got too many here.

Time: 28th June 2014 9:50am

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Don says...
Thanks mary will call them and see!

Time: 28th June 2014 9:51am

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Jenny says...
If this is about to flower,in a pot & hardly 30cm tall, I swear I will rip out (or get my husband to anyway) my 6 year 180cm tall one and mulch it! It has only ever given me 3 fruit!
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Don says...
How did you go? Any flowers?

Time: 25th September 2014 1:03pm

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Jenny says...
Hi Don, yes 3! Hopefully they've set. My big one's gone gone gone. How are those seedlings going? My cedar bay cherry is about to flower again. You've really got to be vigilant with that myrtle rust, I keep pinching off & binning affected leaves it's incredible how vulnerable they are. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. The seeds you gave me have not yet come up but that is not unusual I'm sure.

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Don says...
Nice one, ill dig that big one out and give you some bucks for it if you havnt chopped it out already. Littlest cedar bay seed died and big one still same size, no change. The seeds of mine havnt sprouted above soil either, dug some up and some seeds just getting nodules on outside for roots so they are very slow.

Time: 29th September 2014 7:14pm

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Don says...
Just getting sprouts coming up of those seeds i gave you Jenny so hopefully yours should be coming up aswell!

Time: 22nd October 2014 3:45pm

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Jenny says...
yes Don I had a look and you're right, I see one up. Easy to miss. as for the big rio grande cherry it's gone, sorry.

Time: 23rd October 2014 2:40pm

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ivepeters says...
Could anyone comment on why fruit is falling off.
Both mine flowered like crazy, smaller of the two lost all the flowers over time. The taller one same thing but had a couple of dozen fruit forming, now their gradually falling off after turning red.
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Time: 19th October 2015 1:01pm

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mgoul131 says...
Mike Tr Where did you get your E. ceraja? Do you have any seeds to sell?

Time: 19th October 2018 8:30am

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