Cyclone Yasi (forum)

Violet_Cactus starts with ...
Here's hoping all the Queensland gardeners get though the coming cyclone okay.
Fingers crossed for you, guys.

Time: 31st January 2011 9:57pm

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allybanana says...
All the best, hang in there.

Time: 31st January 2011 10:26pm

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Jantina says...
I heard on the radio today that it will dump up to a metre of water on an already overloaded QLD. Doesn't bear thinking about. As Violet says, fingers crossed for you guys.

Time: 31st January 2011 10:59pm

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amanda says...
It looks like a big one - take care Wayne, Brendan and anyone affected members. I am not religuous - but will say a little prayer anyway...

Time: 31st January 2011 11:49pm

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Brad says...
if it does a metre, thats double our annual fall! hope it does a bianca on you (drizzle)

Time: 1st February 2011 1:13am

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Brendan says...
Thanks everyone!

Time: 1st February 2011 9:24am

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Wayne says...
Trikus in Tully is right in the firing line.
Stats
The storm is 500k wide with a 100k eye
Cat 4 at the moment, 285kph winds
It is travelling at 30kph so would take 16 hrs to pass a point. Imagin riding out 16hrs of that wind, 1/2 from one direction and 1/2 from to opposite direction.
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65002.shtml



Time: 1st February 2011 11:38am

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Jantina says...
Well I hope Trikus goes somewhere safe.

Time: 1st February 2011 11:57am

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fruitist says...
Been talking to one friend who lives in El Arish. He has to cancel his trip to NZ and will stay put in his neighbours house. Tully and El Arish is about 3 km apart, right in the middle of the eye.

Time: 1st February 2011 5:59pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
That's a scary diagram, Wayne.

Time: 1st February 2011 9:27pm

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Wayne says...
http://www.goes.noaa.gov:80/sohemi/sohemiloops/shirgmscol.html

This is even worse Violet_Cactus

It has now gone to cat 5

Time: 2nd February 2011 7:31am

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BJ says...
Uh-oh, Willis Island met station, which was supposed to get the final readings of wind strength etc, has apparently been destroyed by the cyclone. So, now no one will know what its doing until it hits land.

All the best to everyone up there. I've got a big family between Cooktown and Sarina, so I'm praying for everyones safety.

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:03am

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Jantina says...
I'm not religious either amanda but I'll be saying a prayer with you. It's a toss up which is scarier, the Vic bushfires, the QLD floods or this storm (which is bound to have more floods). Fruitist , your friend needs to get out of there along with everyone else. No property is worth your life.

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:17am

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fruitist says...
My friend was supposed to fly out tomorrow for his 3 week NZ trip with his wife and sister-in-law. The girls have just flied out this morning but I think he is bunkering down. Yesterday, I did urge him to get out of the area or go for his trip. It is too late now. It will take 1 hour to drive out his fruit jungle and all roads are closed in 2 hours due to gale force winds making driving unsafe.

There are many others fruit friends who live around Innisfail. David Chandlee is another one and his property is on the inland side of the highway. MY firend is on the sea ward side about a few km from sea.

The eye of the cyclone is projected to hit around El Arish.

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:55am

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snottiegobble says...
We are thinking of all you folks up there & can only pray that this cyclone gets downgraded like Bianca!

Time: 2nd February 2011 11:06am

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amanda says...
My Mum-in law and 2 bro' in laws live in Cairns and I am very afraid for them....I could cry that they haven't got out of there. This is going to be cyclone Tracey all over again....

Time: 2nd February 2011 12:04pm

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Brad says...
this is gonna hurt. fingers crossed, its not as bad as it looks

Time: 2nd February 2011 12:05pm

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Brad says...
@BJ - Willis went down, but there are others e.g. holmes reef
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ60801/IDQ60801.94289.shtml

you can see a map of measurement stations here
http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/qld-observations-map.shtml



Time: 2nd February 2011 12:40pm

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ringelstrumpf says...
I hope that they all have decent shelters, earth holes, cellars. this is so huge I can't imagine that a usual house withstand this. Qld is beaten so hard! They say that it is worse than Kathrina and Tracy.


Time: 2nd February 2011 1:48pm

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MaryT says...
Cyclones do change directions so I am hoping that this one will blow off shore or lose strength before it hits us. I have lived through many, many typhoons so I can tell you that although it is dangerous, you can get through them safely if you take all precautions and not take risks.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

For those of you who are staying home, do tape up your windows and stay away from the glass if you cannot board them up.



Time: 2nd February 2011 2:48pm

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fruitist says...
Not this one. There is only 1 wind system driving this and it hasn't changed its course since it started heading in from its source.

Time: 2nd February 2011 3:43pm

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Brad says...
yeah, this looks like it'll still be a cyclone when it hits mt isa.
track

compare with tracy, Katrina

Time: 2nd February 2011 5:08pm

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BJ says...
Heres hoping that the storm surge isnt too big. I've got mates on Palm who will really be doing it tough if the rise is over only about a metre above high tide...

Time: 2nd February 2011 5:09pm

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Brad says...
its like watching a traffic accident
right now you can compare the size on radar to what larry did. its so many times bigger
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR211.loop.shtml#skip

http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/cyclone/tc_larry/TC_Larry.loop.shtml

Time: 2nd February 2011 5:22pm

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trikus says...
fingers crossed .. bunkered down .. my place is very sturdy , lucky my garden is not that old . cut off most of the leaves from my bananas , and picked another 4 bunches .

Time: 2nd February 2011 8:45pm

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Charles cant spell says...
Yup I am not that squeamish but I feel pretty sick in the stomach for everyone in the line of fire. Goodluck and I seriously hope you survive. For once that doesnt even sound a bit melodramatic.

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:07pm

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Diana says...
Picture of Yasi on a world scale today (!!!).
I really hope you will be OK in the morning trikus and everyone else up there.
Pictures - Click to enlarge

Picture: 1

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:20pm

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Tom says...
We're watching your ABC live news feeds to our national news here with that same sick feeling in our stomachs too, Charles. We know so many of your names now through this forum and have you all in our thoughts. Those of us in Florida, and especially my family in New Orleans, are stuck on the images which have brought back many awful feelings. It's made so much worse when they come at night.

Amanda, I'm sure your family in Cairns will be OK as mine was in N.O.; it's just going to be the toughest thing they'll ever go through for several weeks or months afterward.



Time: 2nd February 2011 10:32pm

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Brad says...
Best of luck trikus. looks like the eye is straight at tully

Time: 2nd February 2011 10:53pm

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Brad says...
Yep tully is in the eye. I've only been in a cat 2 - I cannot imagine this one. The trees will be shredded :(

Daleys permablitz?

Time: 3rd February 2011 1:52am

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Jantina says...
No reported deaths or serious injuries this morning thank goodness, so amanda you can breathe again. Hopefully trikus logs in as soon as he can and lets us know he's ok. What about the rest of you up there? No power of course. The houses and gardens are a different story.

Time: 3rd February 2011 7:25am

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Brendan says...
Hi all, 'we dodged the bullet' here in Mackay, looks like Tully & Innisfail have really copped it.
I received only 56mm of rain last night from Yasi, didn't even lose power. A few coconuts & fronds blown down, my Lamb Hass & Edranol avocado trees need some propping up, apart from that and the rain, it's nearly a normal day :-)

Time: 3rd February 2011 8:52am

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BJ says...
Kert- yes the 'news' this morning has been looking for the dodgy-est fibro shacks and caravans to exaggerate the impact on the fringe where they are stationed. They haven't made it into the core area as yet, which is supposed to actually have damage to real houses. no doubt they will be doing their best to make everyone cry on camera when they do get in there...

Anna and her EMQ team have been rattling off the very worst case scenarios throughout the past month to scare everyone into a state of preparedness, and it looks to have worked.

Time: 3rd February 2011 9:16am

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Brad says...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/03/3128470.htm

Time: 3rd February 2011 9:54am

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John I. says...
Trikus, hope you are ok. Heard Tully was hit quite badly.

Time: 3rd February 2011 9:58am

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Diana says...
You can't 'beat up' a category five cyclone.
It's luck that Cairns or Townsville didn't cop the eye, and good preparedness (excellent building codes and communication) that so far no one has been killed, as far as we know- well done Queensland.
Mission Beach, Tully and Cardwell are not so lucky with most buildings wrecked or seriously damaged (let alone crops and stock). Thank goodness Cardwell was evacuated.

We are lucky that our government doesn't have the callous disregard for people affected by natural disasters of e.g. Pakistan, where the president left the country and was quite flippant about the >1500 deaths and millions who lost everything there in floods last year. I think those people still need aid now.

Time: 3rd February 2011 10:57am

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Jason says...
I hope my dwarf ducasse throws a flower soon it must be so so close. There's no chance for a banana at a decent price down here for the year year unless you DIY

Time: 3rd February 2011 1:53pm

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Brad says...
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying / suggesting Kert. Can you please explain what you (in govt, SES etc) would do differently?

Time: 3rd February 2011 3:25pm

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krazykangaroo says...
Kert lighten up. It is right for the government to try to get people frightened and out of there because most of them are not going to be able to look after themselves in this sort of situation. Most people have no idea on how to prepare for an emergency.

I think both Gillard and Bligh have done an exceptional job in this situation without the grandstanding that plagues other leaders.

Courage and community spirit - what planet are you from?

Time: 3rd February 2011 4:26pm

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Lachlann says...
Kert, it behoves me to warn you that in these unprecedented times of interpersonal conflict you will be fought on the beaches and in the trenches until you admit total surrender.
The warnings came from the scientists - not the politicians. The warnings from the BOM stated that it was likely to be an event not previously seen in our generation. That warning was scientifically based even though they can only predict, not know the future. For once, the politicans acted in good faith according to what the scientists advised them.The politicians were just doing their jobs, and it is a credit to them that there were no injuries or deaths and that reconstruction will probably be very good, allowing all those citizens to go on living in an environment close to paradise. Politicians rightly inspire us to skepticism, but on this occasion you have overshot the mark. The appropriate response from you would be a recognition that you also are fallible.
If you have a criticism, could it be the way Julia Gillard is a closeted climate change skeptic; who stopped the carbon trading scheme and full mining levy, thus disposing of Kevin Rudd, and has now stopped funding other climate change policies?

Time: 3rd February 2011 5:51pm

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Brad says...
thanks Kert for the clarification.
On 2 counts I disagree. I think the scary adjectives in advance were justified and helped in compelling people to act - if some people tied up their fishing tinny as a result, worth it. I don't know if it was forced, but Cardwell evacuating was a good move. The risk of an eventually unenecessary forced evacuations is lesser evil than not keeping people safe and endangering rescuers (the latter more for bushfire than cyclone).

I haven't watched TV on this, rather the actual weather forecasters, so can't comment on some of the other stuff. Not sure what SES are supposed to have done wrong. But I caught a few minutes of Sunrise this morning and it was sensationalising the excitement and drama. On that kinda thing, I suspect we agree.

mmm something about fruits... byebye bananas
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201102/r712446_5584355.jpg


Time: 3rd February 2011 7:38pm

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Steven says...
Hey everyone.

Its good to read you are all ok!

I was talking about the cyclone to a friend last night while Anna was on TV and he guessed there would be over 300 fatalities last night. Thank God he was wrong. I cant believe how well you all pulled through, if this was in any other country it would have been a million times worse!!

I hope your homes, farms, friends, family etc are ok and my prayers are still with you. Please let us all know how you are.

Steven

P.S. while i love the tropics, I will take my cold winters over your cyclones any day :)

Time: 3rd February 2011 10:51pm

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Jantina says...
Still haven't heard from trikus, but the power is probably out and he probably has more pressing things to attend to than get on a computer.

Time: 3rd February 2011 11:27pm

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MaryT says...
Last post from trikus says he's bunkered down with another four hands of banana in a sturdy house. I think that the internet is down in his area.

Time: 4th February 2011 6:27am

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MaryT says...
I really like the way you all contribute to this forum, Amanda, kert, and everyone, in your own way. I think we can accept and celebrate our differences. kert you are unafraid to voice unpopular opinions but please accept that they are unpopular though personally I think you are exceptional astute in your assessments of most matters despite the manner in which you choose to express them. :) Take it easy.

Time: 4th February 2011 9:51am

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fruitist says...
Have been trying to call my friend and David Chandlee at El Arish since yesterday morning. Initially their phones rang with the ring tone and now since this morning, the standard Telstra voice said "the number your are calling is currently unavailable". I think their lines have been severed by fallen trees as theirs are above ground.

I hope they are okay without injury. David Chandlee has just recovered from a very badly broken leg.


Time: 4th February 2011 10:27am

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Tom says...
It doesn't appear to me that Amanda has ever intimated that she is a finer person than anyone else. But I'll say it; and I'm happy to know her through this forum.

By the way, Amanda, I finally figured out why (I thought that) we don't have Capulin Cherry tees here (Prunus salicifolia - remember?). It's because what we call Strawberry Tree (Muntingia calabura) also shares the name Capulin in areas where lots of people speak Spanish (like here). So the prunus species is sold here more commonly by the name Tropic Cherry or Panama Berry; and those we have in abundance.

Thanks to good ol' Julia F. Morton (Fruits of Warm Climates) and the keen folks at the U of Florida for helping me on this one.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/jamaica_cherry.html

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Time: 4th February 2011 12:02pm

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John I. says...
MaryT, I think you give kert to much credit. It's easy to hide behind a computer screen posting inflammatory and derogatory remarks. This kind of person is so common on the internet that there is even a term used to describe them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Time: 4th February 2011 12:30pm

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Brad says...
and this conversation adds to the forum how?

Time: 4th February 2011 1:04pm

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Tom says...
Since the topic is cyclones, though, I have a question about the naming protocol for storms down there. Wasn't Yasi the second named storm, just on the heels of the first (which name started with an"A", eh?)? Up here the naming convention will have the second storm begin with "B", third with"C", etc. So a storm starting with "Y" could occur only near the end of a very active season. How does it go down there?


Time: 4th February 2011 1:40pm

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John I. says...
Sorry Brad, your absolutely right. I've never been caught in a natural disaster like Yasi (or the king lake bushfires). It's hard to image having not only means for your livelihood wiped out, but also having to rebuild your home and continue on. I saw a picture in the paper today showing what looked like three hillbillies sitting around in a half destroyed house drinking a beer. I had to smile... life goes on.

Time: 4th February 2011 1:41pm

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amanda says...
Hi Tom - I think it's a boy and then girl naming thing..?

Time: 4th February 2011 1:47pm

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John I. says...
Hi Tom, here's link that may partially answer your question. Not sure where Yasi came from though.

http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/about/names.shtml


Time: 4th February 2011 1:54pm

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John I. says...
According to answers.com, cyclone Yasi was named in Fiji, and the name is Fijian for Sandalwood, which is a plant that grows in Fiji and flowers this time of year during the wet season.

Time: 4th February 2011 1:58pm

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snottiegobble says...
Tom, I often wondered about the names myself & if they originate from the meteorological body that recognises them as a potential cyclone/hurricane. Say for instance Fiji where Yasi formed
because YASI certainly isnt typical of Australian names.

Time: 4th February 2011 2:02pm

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Tom says...
Thanks much, John! Turns out the rules for names are the same for the Australian region as for the North Atlantic/Caribbean region according to your link. It may appear out of sequence when a storm from a diiferent region crosses into yours. Must be a late season name from another region (and not a top hemisphere region since they spin the other way up here.)

Time: 4th February 2011 2:08pm

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John I. says...
Tom, if they spin the other way up there I wonder what happens when then cross the equator??? Just fizzle out I guess.

Time: 4th February 2011 2:17pm

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Tom says...
John, I was just thwinking the same thing. They mustn't be able to cross without getting snuffed.

Time: 4th February 2011 2:27pm

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Tom says...
Actually,I wasn't "thwinking" (dadblasted tiny keyboard!)

Time: 4th February 2011 2:30pm

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fruitist says...
According to physics, cyclones can't form about 300km on either side of the Equator. Won't go into Coriolis Force, etc. But one hurricane did form in late 2001 just north of Borneo.

Time: 4th February 2011 3:15pm

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snottiegobble says...
Fruitist are you saying that there is a band of 600km round the earth that is totally safe from cyclone activity?

Time: 4th February 2011 4:16pm

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Wayne says...
"Fruitist are you saying that there is a band of 600km round the earth that is totally safe from cyclone activity?"

Quiet intriging isn't it snottiegobble, no, I don't think that is what Fruitist is saying. I think you need to do some research to understand.

ps - Let me know how you get on :-]

Time: 4th February 2011 5:39pm

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fruitist says...
Snot, theoretically, the coriolis force is very very weak around equator so cyclone/hurricane/typhoon is not supposed to be able to form. But on very very rare occasions, cyclone do form around equator. This is due to local conditions. See this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Vamei

I believe there would be other cyclones occurred around equator in distant past but not recorded.



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For those interested in cyclone naming protocol...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_tropical_cyclone_names#Western_North_Pacific


Time: 4th February 2011 8:46pm

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BJ says...
Thanks for bringing back one of the many forgotten lessons from Uni. Here's the direct link to how the coriolis effect works on storms, and toilets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Meteorology

Time: 4th February 2011 8:47pm

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fruitist says...
The page mentioned by BJ may not explained well about some misconceptions made popular by some books and TV about how toilets and bathtubs drains. The amount of water is too small for Coriolis Force to have any effect. So the water vortex can spin either direction whether in northern or southern hemisphere.

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Tonight I finally cleared up my long-held doubts about how an aeroplane can fly. I studied aerodynamic etc and designed a commercial catamaran in 1975 called TOPCAT (sold by Mcquen stores in Melbourne) using the aerofoil lifting principle for the hulls. Same concept used by Ben Lexen for his famous winged keel designed in early 1980s. But everytime I sat inside an aeroplane and looked at the size and weight, I knew it was not the aerodynamic theories that I learned that could explain how the lift was produced. In fact I frequently asked this question to my IT colleagues at the university that I worked for 25 years, not expecting them to provide answers to clear my doubts.

Tonight I finally found the answers I am looking for....it is all in this page

http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2008/04/18/myth-5-how-do-airplanes-fly/



Time: 4th February 2011 9:40pm

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snottiegobble says...
Thats all interesting stuff guys, Thanks!
All I can say Fruitist is: the World Met.Org must have a hell of a lot of meetings:)
Back to biological plant forms.
All of my vines that climb by twirling up supports seem to do it anti-clockwise so I presume they would go clockwise in the Northern hemisphere.
Would I be correct?

Time: 5th February 2011 2:20am

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fruitist says...
Many theories abound; I like to think that it is to do with whether the plant is a left hander or right hander. Some researchers already theorised that it has to do with plant molecules and not due to the movement of the sun with respect to the position of the vine. May be the molecules got trained by the local wind motion across the vine which causes the vine tip to twirl in a clockwise or the other direction before the vine tip is long enough to latch onto a support. Also, may be to do with genetic inheritance from their parents. May be to do with love when they want to entwine with their next door neighbours and live happily ever after.

Time: 5th February 2011 8:11am

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Tom says...
Snottiegobble,
Your last post sent me out to our back yard to see how our vines twirl. I was hoping to find them all twirling clockwise as a small measure of keeping the planet in balance somehow if all the twirling vines of the south do it counterclockwise, but no such luck. The balance must be maintained by southern vines twirling clockwise somewhere other than your yard, eh? Ours go both ways, including within the same species (4 passionfruits, 1 mandevilla, 3 wisterias, and a bunch of stringbeans observed).

Time: 5th February 2011 9:58am

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Jason says...
Funny because all mine go in the same way, even funnier is that they are all clockwise :! how strange. Beans, Kiwi and Wisteria

Time: 5th February 2011 6:00pm

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trikus says...
lost a few large fruit trees and nearly all canopy , leaves still dieing
struggling to clean up and shift debris ..
El Arish exchange back running fruityist ,,batteries go flat fast andn track cleared to exchange to change
will report back

Time: 9th February 2011 7:46am

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MaryT says...
Good to hear from you trikus! Take care

Time: 9th February 2011 8:48am

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Jantina says...
So pleased to hear you are ok trikus! What I saw on the tv was utterly terrifying.

Time: 9th February 2011 12:28pm

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fruitist says...
Good to hear your are ok, trikus. You are right: the telephone exchange battery went flat after a few hours but now is running okay.

I just talked to David Chandlee. He is okay. No damage to his house, only solar planel got blown down and broke some steps. The solar panel is okay and back up again. He has seen some durain trees got knocked down. He is still on crutches and hasn't been out to see all parts of his forest. The path to his place was cleared by SES. During the cyclone, he hided under his bed (double bunks) listening to his DVD on his computer. His house got strengthened after cyclone Larry and I helped to erect his solar panel steel post.

My friend's place suffered some minor damages. The path to his house was also cleared by SES but path to his car was not.



Time: 10th February 2011 8:09pm

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trikus says...
first thing I did was check all fruit trees , lopped off top of this mamay and staked back up , it looks great a week later ... no tree will be alloowed to get over 4m in future
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Time: 11th February 2011 1:23pm

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fruitist says...
trikus, why 4m? I thought foliage shape of the tree and root system will determine if the tree can withstand cyclonic winds.

Durian trees are usually top heavy and shallow roots. The ones I have in Borneo which have been growing for over 80 years have roots running on the soil surface.

Time: 11th February 2011 3:40pm

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trikus says...
4m easy height to harvest .. I feel unsafe up high on ladder .. my durian was 8m and is now at 30 dgerees , already chopped off 3m .. will look at it over next week and trim some more

Time: 11th February 2011 9:32pm

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scott says...
Our Yasi experience.

http://nqheliconias.blogspot.com/

Time: 12th February 2011 12:17pm

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snottiegobble says...
Scott, thank you, your family & friends for an amazing insight into your lives during Yasi`s visit!

Time: 12th February 2011 4:13pm

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