Dekopon in Australia? (forum)

Olga starts with ...
Hi,
Does somebody knows where to buy a dekopon in Australia?

Time: 11th April 2011 9:32pm

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Xiem says...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekopon

Time: 13th April 2011 11:35am

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Olga says...
Tnx Xiem, but I am looking for a dekopon tree.

Time: 14th April 2011 12:02am

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Xiem says...
Sorry Olga I realise you are looking for a tree - I just thought it would help your search if there was an explanation of what a dekopon is. I had never heard of one before.

Time: 14th April 2011 12:30pm

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Olga says...
I see your point , Xiem, but dekopon was introduced to California and Brazil and I was interested if somebody brought it to Australia.

Time: 15th April 2011 4:45am

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pacific fresh says...
you will be able to buy dekopon in australia from late june /july
my company pacific fresh is the only one to have them in australia

Time: 15th April 2011 6:36pm

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shirlza says...
I know Pacific Fresh but would like to buy a tree for personal use. Where can I find one?


Time: 14th August 2011 7:52pm

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krzystoff says...
@shirlza -- clearly there are lots of 'fruits' on this forum...

did you find a source for Dekopon/Sumo (Shiranuhi mandarin Suppl. J.) fruit trees in Australia ??

I guess you could import seeds from an online supplier, but that's not ideal.

Time: 19th August 2011 3:51pm

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mez says...
On the weekend I think I bought a dekopon fruit in sydney (labelled as a kon). The most delicious citrus fruit I have ever had (the look of it was very interesting and put me off a bit). But will definately be buying more when I go back.

Good luck sourcing a tree and growing fruit in australia, looks like the conditions to grow it are difficult but the payoff is fantastic.

thank you very much pacific fruit ;) hope it will be a permanent addition to the fruit markets from now on when peoples awareness of it increases.

Time: 22nd August 2011 9:37am

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Steven says...
Mez, where did you buy the DEKOPON? The seed is nucellar and I'm v. keen to buy one .

Time: 22nd August 2011 10:06am

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mez says...
Well that's what i'm unsure about... this 'kon' looks like the pictures of a dekopon but it's also advertised as being seedless.

Which makes me wonder how did it come about in the first place? I bought this kon from norton street grocers.

Perhaps it isn't even the same breed but everything described about it seems very similar.

Time: 24th August 2011 3:34pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Seedless mandarins varieties are common, most of the modern varieties of the last 20 years+/- are hybrids of two other older mandarin types. Many are only seedless when not grown near other Citrus that can pollinate .I cant think of any variety that looks like Decopon, with the large knob on top.

Time: 24th August 2011 4:41pm

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steve says...
Anyone interested in buying dekopon seed ? There is one per fruit ,so far as I can tell. I'm selling at $2 a seed as I needed to buy them myself at that price.

Time: 25th August 2011 6:37am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Steve can you post a photo of the fruit you are buying ?

Time: 25th August 2011 7:32am

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steve says...
Bought a lot of SUMO mandarin but to my chagrin I've only collected one seed from 3 fruit eaten . I've threatened my kids that if they swallow a seed they'll need to sort through what emerges from their other end.

Time: 25th August 2011 10:20am

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mirandagirly says...
Over the last fews days I have purchased this fruit from a fruit shop in North Sydney (Greenwood Plaza) and another in Ashfield Mall.

I haven't yet found a single seed. The first time I saw this fruit was last year in another fruit shop in Chatswood Chase but I don't know if they have them again this year.

Jakfruit etiquette ... there is a photo of them on Wikipedia if you want to have a look.

Time: 2nd September 2011 12:51pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Yes thanks mg,I knew that Dekopon was in Japan, just wanted to make sure that what steve was buying as Sumo was it for sure. Seems like it is avail here. The only thing that it might look a bit like is a big minneola tangelo on a good day.
So how did you rate it for taste?

Time: 2nd September 2011 2:02pm

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fran says...
After having eaten 14 dekopons at $2 each I found one solitary ,perfectly formed seed. I'm now gingerly trying to germinate the precious seed.

Time: 2nd September 2011 3:16pm

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Michael says...
Sumo brand, grown in NSW Riverina, available at Woolworths in Victoria for around $4.00 per kg. Haven't found any seeds in my fruit so far!
Found some seeds for sale on Ebay (search for Dekopon) from Singapore. Not sure if they would be allowed through Australian Customs though!
Reading a forum in the US, it seems that under licence agreements, growers are not allowed to on-sell root stock.

Time: 2nd September 2011 4:53pm

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kate says...
Hoping someone could help me, I've been looking for the 3 weeks and I don't seem to be able to find anymore Sumo mandarins anywhere. Does anyone know where in Melbourne I might be able to get them? Must have them!!!!

Time: 9th September 2011 9:40pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Woolworths is supposed to be stocking them. You could call the woolies produce dept head office and ask which stores have them, or contact Pacific Fresh in Leeton, see if they are still shipping them.Just google for their homepage, and get the contact details. The Sumo is new in Oz, may have a short season.

Time: 10th September 2011 7:35am

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krzystoff says...
you can import the seeds, but our fascist quarantine nonsense will cost you $125-150 per shipment, plus you have to agree to the seeds being fumigated or cooked (not sure if this is a problem for the seeds).

http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8867801&intCommodityId=3321&Types=none&WhichQuery=Go+to+full+text&intSearch=1&LogSessionID=0

there are alternative ways to bring such things into the country without going through quarantine -- your imagination and your fear are the only limits!


Time: 16th September 2011 3:00pm

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Nick says...
I think they treat some seeds with phosphine gas O.o

Time: 16th September 2011 11:55pm

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Johnny says...
to my knowledge Pacific Fresh in Leeton hold plant breeders rights (PBR) - no doubt the tree would attract a premium price - would like to know are Pacific Fresh releasing it (trees or seed) to "others" and if so at
what price and what "ongoing" rights are attached to it - I know someone who would love to buy 200 to 300 trees

Time: 21st September 2011 9:59am

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Johnny says...
Dear Steve

You said your selling the seed @ $2 a seed - can you confirm its the Summo citrus and additionally where are you buting your seed from - would love to know as keen to purchase seed or plants

thankyou

Time: 21st September 2011 10:05am

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steve says...
Sad to say I thought I'd find a lot of seed in a case of Sumo . But there was just one and it was a little puny. So have nothing to sell . The mandarins were really good ,though.

Time: 21st September 2011 11:44am

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Michael says...
Our local Woolworths store now says that because there is only 1 Australian supplier, they only get Sumos in every 3 years. They currently stock a Tangelo Mandarin which looks like a Sumo, but is smaller and doesn't taste like one!

Time: 22nd September 2011 6:53pm

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gerry says...
give pacificfresh a call on your enquiry ask for frank 02 69557117


Time: 23rd September 2011 12:07pm

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Johnny says...
Thanks Gerry will do so

Time: 26th September 2011 12:05pm

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lentildude says...
Dekopon, is a cross between mandarine and grapefruit, a tangelo??? I bought a tangelo that looks like the dekopons I have bought and ate in Japan. I think its the same.. just buy tangelos..

Time: 30th September 2011 8:56pm

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John says...
Not so . Tastes are far apart. .Dekopon is a straight out mandarin Tangelo is the cross.

Time: 1st October 2011 8:49am

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lentildude says...
John you are right, just confirmed with my Japanese friend. Yes totally different, I take that last comment back. I bought a tangelo today and it was sour and my friend said totally different - apart from the navel bump in common.
I would really be keen to get a Dekopon tree or seeds in oz. Please let me know next time the fruit appears in a Sydney fruit shop, will definately make the trip.

Time: 1st October 2011 10:52pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Dekopon is (satsuma mandarin X orange)then crossed with another satsuma. Minneola is mandarin X grapefruit.

Time: 2nd October 2011 9:17am

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krzystoff says...
seems like this is a very simple thing to achieve if you have a green thumb:

http://www.gardenguides.com/88475-can-crossbreed-two-different-fruit-plants.html

anyone with a large yard / greenhouse could grow some of these hybrid (sterile) fruiting trees, with a little effort.

Time: 10th October 2011 3:03pm

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lentildude says...
Ill give it a try but problem is the different flowering times.
Can you stoe citrus pollen in a bag in the fridge?

Anyone found dekopon fruit in Sydney fruit shops? Be quicker to get the seed.

Time: 18th October 2011 8:35pm

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Sumo lover says...
I bought some on the weekend from Tullys Fruit Market on cnr Moorooduc Highway & Wooralla Drive Mt Eliza...absolutely delicious!

Sumo convert

Time: 31st August 2012 3:50pm

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monie74 says...
they are being grown in Leeton or Griffith, one of our clients bought us a big box in to work. they are delicious!

Time: 5th September 2012 9:16pm

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The Crab Shack says...
If anyone out there has trees or seeds to sell please email on atbarnesat2@gmail.com. Would appreciate very much. Tracy

Time: 1st March 2013 2:26pm

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lenn says...
I bought a case of dekopon in order to obtain seeds . After very careful chewing I found 2 seeds ; one has now formed a 200mm plant.

Time: 4th March 2013 2:20pm

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peter 1000 says...
hi lenn
could you describe the fruit and score
it out of 10 for taste.

Time: 4th March 2013 5:35pm

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lenn says...
It rightly has been described as the best tasting mandarin. It is sweet ,juicy very large and almost no white "partitions" between segments. It's also patented.

Time: 4th March 2013 6:21pm

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peter 1000 says...
did those mandarines have a large
lump on the stem end?


Time: 5th March 2013 12:00am

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lenn says...
Yes, it did. The fruit is sometimes sold as Summo; hence the lump.

Time: 5th March 2013 9:08am

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lentildude says...
guys, anybody with a dekopan seed to sell/swap? Really keep to get the real dekopan (or by name Sumo) started this year. Am in the lower bluemountains Sydney.
http://www.foodlibrarian.com/2011/02/sumo-citrus-dekopon-has-finally-arrived.html

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Saugus says...
You can do what I did,,,go to Flemington markets an
D buy a case of Sumo for around 30 dollars Eat case ab
Nd chances are there will be 2 seeds. Plant seed . My seedling is now two years old.

Time: 21st July 2013 4:27pm

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John Mc says...
Has the Sumo/Dekopon been seen in any retail outlets yet, for this season?

Going to follow in Saugus' footsteps, and hopefully get a seed or two.

Can't spare a bud or two, can you Saugus? happy to help with your initial costs.

Time: 7th August 2013 6:54pm

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peter 1000 says...
Hi John
the sumo mandarin is going to be sold
at woolworths stores on your side of the country from about late august onwards.

Time: 7th August 2013 10:22pm

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Brain says...
anyone north of NSW (i.e. Qld) have seen such said sumo mandarin? I'm now curious as to what it taste and look like.

Time: 8th August 2013 9:40am

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John Mc says...
Thanks Peter, are you chasing up any more Cherimoya seeds?

Time: 8th August 2013 9:02pm

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peter 1000 says...
not at this stage, i have 20 or so
seedlings, mostly from the seeds you sent a while back that im going to
graft onto this season.

something that i am looking for at the moment if you ever come accross any
is the violette de bordeaux fig.

Time: 8th August 2013 11:26pm

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John Mc says...
Sumo's arrived today. Bought the maximum amount you can get from Woolies online (36) found three seeds already in first three fruit.
They'll be potted up first thing in the morning. What to do for the next 8 years?

Time: 19th August 2013 7:26pm

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Brain says...
John Mc, you are a very smart man but sadly for slower ones (i.e. myself), Woolies is now out of stock! NOOOOOOO!

Time: 20th August 2013 11:13am

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starling says...
Xiem,

I have tried searching for dekopon trees and have not come up with much. Basically, you can buy the fruit, but not the trees (I cannot even find the trees for sale in the US, or China).

Update: these trees are not for sale on ebay japan (which doesnt surprise me, not a whoooole lot of gardening done in japan).

The are not for sale on the brazilian ebay equivalent site.



Sorry I couldn't be of more help
S

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ivepeters says...
John
what is your opinion on the taste?

Brain
what part of the city are you in ?
So I know to try somewhere else.

Time: 20th August 2013 3:18pm

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Brain says...
I'm in the south side of Brisbane, I tried the same trick, by buying 36 Sumo on Woolies on line and as soon as I add them to cart and sign in, the web site say they are out of stock.

I haven't seen them in any woolies stores either. :(

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starling says...
Brain,

I just spoke to a seller who says they will be available in nurseries by 2015. So I guess it might bet better just to wait, there will probably be grafted varieties. I can confirm that these trees are not aviailable for purchase in the US or anywhere else, something to do with patent. Only the fruit is available.

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Brain says...
Hi Starling, thanks very much for finding out the info for everyone. I guess we have no choice but to be a little bit patient and wait till 2015. In the mean time, I think I would still like to have a taste on the elusive sumo mandarin. Once again, greatly appreciate your update.

Time: 20th August 2013 4:37pm

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starling says...
No problem brain, I'll generally take any opportunity to delay my Uni responsibilities, haha. Let me know if there's something else you're chasing, I'll see what I can dig up.

cheers
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John Mc says...
Brain, I'm happy to grant your wish, I can send you a couple, I know what it's like when something is out of reach.

Time: 20th August 2013 10:17pm

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JakfruitEttiquette says...
In Australia this variety has been privately imported and grown, so you are unlikely to find trees right now in nurseries. Gardening is popular in Japan, nearly every home has a small neat garden, nearly all vacant land right into Tokyo grows vegetables. Sumo is a made up name in the west, I think Dekopon is even a trademark for these large seedless mandarins. The variety was originally named Shiranui, a cross of Kiyomi tangor X ponkan mandarin.If you try searching on google jp you will get more results, but in Japanese. Sayonara.

Time: 21st August 2013 7:29am

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starling says...
Jakfruit,

Yes, shiranui. I did search for this on ebay JP using chrome translate and babylon, but could only find dried fruit or flavoured confectionery, no trees. It is grown in CF but I could not source any trees of shirinui under that name or the Anglicised "Sumo".

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yry says...
There was an article in the Sydney Morning Herald about "new fruits" a few days ago. Sumo was mentioned and a single grower has the rights in OZ. The article went on to say that one of the major supermarkets will stock it this season.
As well it talked about a new apple that would not discolour when cut---- a boon to mankind ,would you say?

Time: 22nd August 2013 8:21am

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John Mc says...
Yes that single grower is Pacific Fresh in Leeton NSW and the one major retailer is Woolworths.

Time: 22nd August 2013 3:54pm

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yry says...
Anyone in Leeton who has a torch light and a pair of secateurs?

Time: 22nd August 2013 5:20pm

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John Mc says...
I Thought about going there for a holiday.

Time: 22nd August 2013 6:12pm

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lentildude says...
I ordered from Woolies last night, ordered 7 pieces at $1.40 ea. Just arrived.
The first one I cut had 3 seeds in it!
Now just eating a piece of this Sumo as I type this, the taste is wiered, kind of like drinking cheap No frills Orange Drink (not juice). Has that cordial orange tang about it.
Popped these seeds in the fridge, will wait till next month before planting out..

now I need Yuzu seeds.. thats another story..

Time: 22nd August 2013 6:50pm

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Chris says...
With all the hoopla on the radio and in print about it, I decided to go and try these for myself.
At about 350-400g each, not too many per kilo.
I've tasted many citrus, but can't say this is the greatest tasting mandarin, even in the small sample I've tried.
It has a lingering mandarin-orange taste that is not dissimilar to Tang (yuk!)orange drink in flavour.
It peels easily and segments easily, and has little rag. I haven't found any seeds so far. They aren't that juicy nor exceptionally sweet say compared to a fully tree ripened Honey Murcott.
For my palate, the fruit lacks the acidity, which you would expect given the satsuma parentage.



Time: 22nd August 2013 10:10pm

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lentildude says...
agree, they look more interesting than they taste.. kids might like eating them if you can peel away the very thick pith..



Time: 22nd August 2013 10:22pm

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JakfruitEttiquette says...
Dekopon is popular in Japan, but they give a lot of attention to detail in fruit production, only harvest at certain
brix(sugar)levels. That would control the flavor elements of the eaten fruit.
I tried it out of season in Japan, and thought thats nice, but not exceptional?

Time: 23rd August 2013 7:00am

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Brain says...
I kept trying the woolies online site and it kept saying no stock. I'm inclined to believe it's because I'm in QLD and they dont' have it here nor willing to ship it. Hopefully, I will get to sample the Dekopon today, thanks to John Mc's enterprise thinking!



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Boris Spasky says...
That unusual flavour overtones some describe comes from the Ponkan mandarin (50% Sumo parentage). If ever you have opened canned mandarins from an Asian grocery store this is what they are.


Time: 23rd August 2013 4:16pm

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yry says...
Someone must like them (eg me) as otherwise the retailers could not command the premium price.
Boris,you seem to be scarily knowledgeable about citrus . How come?

Time: 23rd August 2013 6:53pm

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Boris Spasky says...
The retailers can command the price because the supply available domestically is very limited. Still a bit of a novelty factor.
But the main factor for the high price is that the bulk are exported to Japan, where a couple of years ago the large fruit were fetching near $20 EACH!
Woolies is selling a lot of variable smaller fruit that won't sell in Japan.

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John Mc says...
So they didn't arrive Brain? Damn it, looks like they are going to sit in the PO all weekend.

Time: 24th August 2013 4:35pm

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JakfruitEttiquette says...
The Dekopon I saw in Japan were about 100 yen each ( = $1).Some speciality Citrus were $2 each. Overall fruit and vegetables are fairly cheap, ie about $1 for a cucumber,or bunch of spring onions, daikon radish, etc etc, or $1 or $2 per punnet of various mushrooms etc.So cost less than Australia.
Most supermarkets have a very small section for gift fruit, ie "perfect" apples, nashi, box bunch of grapes or cherries, melon etc. These are $10 to $20 each, but really given as gifts.

Time: 25th August 2013 8:09am

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Brain says...
John, yes, I did get them on Friday, thank you so much. (I've been away from the computer all w/e and will send you a separate email when I can locate your email address at home.)

Taste wise, the first one was disappointing, it was rather sour and a bit acidic. You can certainly taste the 'satsuma' lineage. It actually tasted and looked like my okitsu wase, except sumo is bigger of course.

The second one was rather good, sweet but not too over the top. I think it adds weight that they must be picked at the right time.

For my personal taste, I think a good imperial is better tasting than the sumo. It's hard to describe but the satsumas has a distinct taste and I'm not accustomed to it.

I've also found one tiny seed - i.e. 1/3 the size of your average lemon seeds, anyone else can shed light on seed size?

Time: 26th August 2013 10:05am

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John Mc says...
That's a relief Brain, glad you got them before the w/e because I don't think they were all that fresh to start with. If your seed is bulbous it should be viable, I'd get it planted without fail. Sumo's are in all Woolworths stores around me atm, $3.98 per Kilo. The Mrs bought a couple of kilo's yesterday, they appear to be fresher and I found 3 seeds in one fruit.


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JakfruitEttiquette says...
Small Citrus seed could be variant types. In polyembryonic(seed true to type)Citrus vars, small seed may be occasional monoembryonic(variable)seed embryos. In triploid or tetraploid varieties, small seed could be a diploid or even haploid seed. Human sperm and egg are both genetically haploid, human beings are diploid. Citrus plants are commonly dipolid,some varieties are triploid(usually seedless), some tetraploid. Haploid plants are possible.
Off type Citrus usually look like a reshuffle of the parent vars characters, if cross pollination hasn't happened.


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yry says...
I've read that in a fruit that has been in cultivation for a very long time (as citrus has) the undesirable characters have been bred out. Consequently there is little chance that you will get a dud from a seedling

Time: 27th August 2013 9:25am

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Brain says...
i'll give my tiny seed a go ... if by 20 years later, there is a variety called "Highlander" [there can be only one] or "Survivor" [the title holder of sole survivor must outwit outplay and outlast], then you'd know it was a success.

Time: 27th August 2013 2:47pm

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Peterman says...
Hi, Kon fruit is a Dekopon pacific fresh aren't the only one with them

Time: 4th September 2013 9:15pm

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John Mc says...
Who else in Australia have them Peterman?

Time: 5th September 2013 6:54am

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Digsy says...
I would like to buy sumo mandarin seeds.

Time: 24th June 2014 3:43am

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JohnMc1 says...
Digsy, as far as I know, the only way to get a sumo mandarin tree, at this point in time, is to plant the odd seed you may find in the fruit which is usually available in August.

Time: 24th June 2014 2:25pm

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sandy31 says...
Sumo mandarin are available at Town Hall NSW Wollies, for 8AUD /kilo
I ate 4 in lunch and NO seed......:(

Time: 14th August 2014 2:32pm

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symiot says...
Maybe they xray them at the orchard!

Time: 14th August 2014 4:56pm

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JohnMc1 says...
The x-ray machine must be broken, I've found 8 seeds in 10 kilo's of fruit so far.

Time: 14th August 2014 7:52pm

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Jenny says...
Found Sumo mandarin at Woollies Sunnybank Hills yesterday, interesting looking things, I bought 4 at $6.98/kg that was about $8. Delicious I must say! Sweet with perfect amount of acid. No seeds yet :-( (I've eaten 2 so far) the F&V manager I was talking to said he had about 3 or 4 in one lucky thing. Might have to get more...

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Chris says...
I would say the fruit I have had this year are a little high in acid then previous years. Either picked early or not 'cured' long enough.
Their peak season has been in August.

Time: 31st July 2015 3:34pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Dekopon finally turned up here at woolies, very nice bit of fruit. Some a little old tasting, some a little more acid which is actually nice. As for seeds, one per fruit in about every 10 fruit, except for the jakpotfruit(sic) with 7 seeds.
I kept those seperate in case its a cross pollinated seed set.

Time: 9th August 2015 10:23am

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frenchie says...
I love the Daleys forum, I just discovered the Dekopon last week thanks to this thread... and by chance found some at my local Woolies yesterday. I have 4 seeds from 5 fruits... But I am a very beginner fruit grower. Anyone care to give a few tips for successful germination? What kind of growing medium?
Thank you!

Time: 23rd August 2015 9:31am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
First thing is dont let Citrus seed dry out. I put them in a damp kitchen paper/napkin inside a zip lock bag, but watch for mould. If you dont know much about seed propagation, I would get a bag of seed raising mix, (not potting mix) to start the seeds. For citrus seed I would use a taller pot, the shape of a milk carton (not a flat punnet).

Time: 23rd August 2015 10:46am

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frenchie says...
Thanks Jakfruit! I have put them in ziplock as per your advice. I'll let you know how I go. I might go and buy more fruits too, give myself more chances!

Time: 23rd August 2015 12:24pm

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frenchie says...
So I planted my seeds as per Jakfruit's advice. 3 of the 4 seeds germinated. @ of them had only one offspring, the 3rd had 2 of equal size. They are all about 5cm tall and quite slow growing. They are under shade cloth - they probably need more light.
Anyone with tips for what to do next? I guess they need to be grafted on some kind of rootstock?
Many thanks :)

Time: 29th November 2015 12:01pm

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lentildude says...
My dekopon seedling is 5 years old now and about a foot high and quite bushy. Yes slow growing so be patient.. You wont be ready to graft for a couple of years yet. I chose not to graft. (anyone have a sudachi to swap)

Time: 30th November 2015 11:44am

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sudachiman says...
im also lower mtns looking for the pon...
any luck?

Time: 25th January 2016 11:50pm

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Carl76 says...
Anyone know what time frame for fruit to be produced from a seed grown sumo ?

Time: 10th May 2017 1:36pm

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JohnMc1 says...
These Sumo's are at a guess 4 to 5 yo. The one on the left is grafted onto P. trifoliata rootstock. Shouldn't be too long before I see flowers. EDIT: Just went through my previous posts, my Sumo's are between 3 and 4 yo. Most of them are 3yo.
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Carl76 says...
Thanks John

Time: 23rd May 2017 9:30am

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Markmelb says...
Really huge thorns on them thar citrus - my seedling lemonade took almost 6 years and is slightly different looking fruit etc to a Pipsqueek Lemonade with fruit soon to ripen first time - be int to compare the two?

Time: 23rd May 2017 9:56am

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Cambalong says...
I found about 20 seeds a couple of years ago (one freakish fruit had fifteen seeds). Most took. One flowered at the end of the first year, and a single Sumo grew. It was only small (perhaps between five and six centimetres across), but had the same taste and texture as a sumo when we picked it a few days ago.
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Try again for the photo
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Bruce J says...
Just found 6 seeds in one fruit--5 in one segment!
Feel like Charlie and the golden ticket.
Now what to do? How do I store them before sowing? Any suggestions welcome.

Time: 11th August 2017 7:36pm

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ivepeters says...
Normally you would keep it moist, if drys out dead, but considering the current warm weather, I would plant them out now.

Time: 15th August 2017 6:32pm

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JohnMc1 says...
There we go, my first sumo flowers followed by my first sumo fruit. That didn't take long! The grafted and seedling trees came into fruition simultaneously. Still in pots.
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ivepeters says...
Hope they grow big.
Just potted up my two into 40cm pots, so I'm a year off.
Interested if they turn out true.

Time: 16th October 2017 11:47am

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George says...
Nice! My 5 yo Sumo is 3 foot high and bush and never had flowers!

Time: 16th October 2017 7:14pm

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mc1 says...
Has anyone managed to find a nursery to buy a plant from (which sells to the public)?
Or is anyone willing to sell some budwood?
Also keen on some Ponkan, Setoka and Buntan Pomelo budwood (even if from seed).


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jakfruit etiquette says...
Dekopon is probably locked up as a PVR/Private var.
here is some info about Mato Buntan
https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forumsearch/?PHPSESSID=u91fpogr7kg6r74teppdei6p04&q=mato+buntan&cx=015759813901905237747%3Aeusvkysv9cy&cof=FORID%3A9

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mc1 says...
Actually, I found Dekopon being sold by a nursery in Mildura but when i enquired they said they don't sell to the public. :(
https://www.victoriancitrusfarms.com.au/our-products/available-tree-list/

Also, i asked an ebay seller if they have dekopon, and they said they have some that will be available next year, but they are charging a whopping 500 per tree due to &quote;unprecedented demand&quote; and are only selling within their state (not ours). If it is indeed a private variety i wonder if they have the rights to be selling these plants...


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brad16 says...
Apologies if this has already been suggested, but has anyone asked Daleys to buy them in?

If a group of you get together and confirm a minimum order, I'm sure Daleys wouldn't mind doing some business.

The only problems would be price and numbers. Daleys wouldn't want to be stuck with 100 trees at $100 retail each that they can't sell, but see what the numbers are and if that is an avenue to Dekopons.

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Bangkokii says...
John did you get fruit from the tree?

The vendor of my grafted dekapon had a tree in a pot bearing large fruit but they were still green. Don't know if they ever turn orange in Thailand.

Since i put my tree in full sun all day it grows fast.

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Any PVR fruit var could also be tied up with grower/packer contracts, ie if you grow that var, you must sell the fruit back to the PVR owners fruit seller.
That may be why they wont sell trees to the public, who dont sign the contracts.
Some PVR stonefruit growers near Swanhill Vic, had to pull out their trees after they refused to market the fruit to the designated fruit packer.


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Caleb (Staff) says...
Hey everyone, I have been researching this for you. This is what I have found so far.

&quote;Dekapon is subject to no-propagation agreements in Australia so it can’t be distributed as budwood of the variety that is currently being grown. However recently it has been imported as a publicly available selection of Shiranui which should be out of quarantine late next year, so available to nurseries in 2020, all going well.&quote;

We found this out from some people in the know on this variety, we will keep an eye out and if we can source it we'll add it to the website.

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Bangkokii says...
My dekapon has 2 fruits now. It's about 130 cm tall and growing in a large pot in Bangkok.
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Bangkokii says...
I don't get it why some dekopons have a smooth skin and others a very bumpy one.

Are they all the same fruit?

Here this guy has smooth ones, i'll also post a pic of mine with bumpy skin.
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jakfruit etiquette says...
Yes, in Australia the Sumo, Dekopon fruit in the same store are fairly variable, ie no neck to full neck, oval to flat round.

Time: 4th October 2019 10:21am

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Bangkokii says...
oh i see, i already wondered why some were round and others had the neck.

So they are all the same, great.

My tree is so happy with it's 3 fruit that it decided to bloom again.
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Bangkokii says...
A local vendor here has dekopon tree's with only the round ones and other tree's only have the ones with a nipple.

So i guess they are different strains of dekopon.

I'll grow both strains to see which one tastes the best.

They can both fruit as small tree's from 60 cm tall.

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Karmicguide1 says...
Any update on this? I'm still keen to get one. If it's not too much trouble, on a flying dragon rootstock hehe

Time: 18th August 2020 6:30pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
The Sumo is a protected imported cultivar of Dekopon aka Shiranui.
I see that Shiranui is going to be released as a public variety, still could be a few years away.

Time: 19th August 2020 10:02am

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Karmicguide1 says...
So seeds from sumo are the only way. Do they grow true? I went through ten and got two seeds haha.

Time: 21st August 2020 7:37am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Its reported that the seed of Sumo aka Dekopon aka Shiranui. are polyembryonic, meaning true or clonal from seed. Usually you should get a few seedlings from each seed and they should look identical. Its still possible to get off types from polyembryonic seed. The original parents are Satsuma mandarin var X orange x ponkan mandarin, so any off types could still be interesting.

Time: 21st August 2020 8:40am

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dgsmigliani1 says...
It's that time of year again... I buy up a heap of sumo mandarins and begin my search for seeds. It's been several years now and still i haven't come across any.

I'm sending out a request, if anyone out there has any seeds they wish to send me? Thank you!

Time: 4th September 2021 7:14pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
I have been buying them and juicing them for my Kids, great juice but no seed this season so far.
Anyone thought of getting a fruity picking job ??
This was posted locally a few weeks ago.


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Time: 6th September 2021 8:37pm

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Edward3 says...
I googled "Sumo Woolworths" and found a couple of nearby stores which have them for sale. So I bought 10 of them. The first one I tasted was indeed delicious and, what's more, it had 1 seed! But the next 3 fruits were not as tasty and had no seeds. A bit disappointing. I read on the net that they may need to be left on the shelf to ripen further, so I'll see. Has anyone else also found some variability in the taste?

Time: 6th September 2021 9:34pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Has anyone else also found some variability in the taste?
Yes they start getting quite tired as the season goes on.
Not sure I would leave them on the shelf, I think they are already after ripened after picking.
At least that is the process in Japan.

Time: 7th September 2021 8:00pm

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JohnMc1 says...
One of my trees produced around a doz fruit this year. They are very sweet even picked early. Fruit was very close to original, being sweet, easy peel, large and seedless. Here's an early pic taken in April.
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Time: 9th September 2021 7:57pm

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Edward3 says...
John, were these fruits off your grafted Sumo or from the seedling?

Time: 10th September 2021 4:30pm

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jakfruit etiquette says...
John Mc says...
Sumo's arrived today. Bought the maximum amount you can get from Woolies online (36) found three seeds already in first three fruit.
They'll be potted up first thing in the morning. What to do for the next 8 years?

Hi John, I see that was in 2013...You were pretty close with the 8 year wait...

Time: 10th September 2021 10:16pm

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Marmot1 says...
@JohnMc1

I guess we are all happy to get/buy budwoods from you.


Time: 11th September 2021 8:50am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
Any seed in these John ?? Are you starting the 8 to 9 year process again to see what the next generation is ??

Time: 14th September 2021 6:45pm

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mc01 says...
I would be keen on some budwood if you sell as well

Time: 17th September 2021 12:39am

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Marmot1 says...
Any updates?

Time: 14th February 2022 10:52am

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LukeN says...
Hi John,

I'm also looking for seeds or budwood.

thanks,
Luke

Time: 15th April 2022 5:40pm

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Oz_Figs says...
I have a couple of 50cm seed grown plants for sale.
Sava_cu At hotmail. Com

Time: 25th April 2022 3:33pm

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Julius.Z says...
Just saw this thread today, just noticed it's been more than 10 yrs of this thread. Those pioneers who had collected & grown seeds at least 8+ yrs, are so respectful.

Anyway, I believe my Sumo/Dekopon plants grafted are 100% true to type, and the attached photos tell the story. One noticeable difference between grafted Sumo with seedlings in this thread, is grafted ones don't have long thorns.

Budwood/scion won't be available, grafted plants maybe available in the future...
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Time: 3rd April 2023 9:14pm

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LukeN says...
Julius, put me on your list - I want one. lukenuttall at gmail.com.

Time: 4th April 2023 11:45am

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Jelliss says...
I may have found a place in Perth which sells the Dekopon tree under a 'sumo' mandarin brand. He said this is the first year of propagation and has 100 at $50 per tree.

I'm picking one up tomorrow and guess time will tell.

Time: 7th April 2023 9:18pm

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