Espaliered trees (forum)

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Hi,

I am new to fruit tree planting and would love some advice. I would like to grow some trees - orange, mandarin, apple - along my back timber fence and espalier them. Would it make a difference if I chose dwarf trees or not? Also, if I plant them close to the fence and then decide to build a retaining wall would I then be able to fill the wall with soil or not? Or... could I plant in pots and still espalier against the fence?

If anyone has any photos of their trees/garden with espaliered trees I would love to see some if you would like to share!

Time: 9th June 2009 3:55pm

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peter says...
van,
have a look at
www.rarefruit-sa.org.au

hit the espalier tab
go to the bottom of page
and hit espaliered trees tab

Time: 9th June 2009 6:06pm

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amanda says...
Hi van - I was thinking that you could grow in pots and still fill later - maybe get pots that u are prepared to smash tho' and then fill around to what was the top of the pot level..does this make sense?! Getting them out of the pots would be pretty difficult if plant is espaliered?

If you have to leave in pots - what about a pot with no bottom - then the roots could have access to the soil below - making management a bit easier?


Time: 10th June 2009 11:01am

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John I. says...
Hi Van. Amanda's idea is a good one but you may want to consider grow bags instead of pots, so you can simply cut them open.

Time: 10th June 2009 12:11pm

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russ says...
Hi, I am espaliering citrus along my back fence in a 'belgium fence' design. I will post photo's this evening if i have time.

As far as i am aware there is no reason you cannot use dwarf trees. Regarding growing in pots, I grew two trees in pots as a wasn't in a position to remove the shed which stood where they were to be planted. I held off espaliering them until i had planted out and shed was gone.

Time: 10th June 2009 2:52pm

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Van says...
That would be great, thanks for the ideas also.

I found this site, I love the pictures of the work this particular lady has done so I just thought I would share.

http://www.espalierservices.com/


Time: 10th June 2009 6:13pm

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Jason says...
Hi Van, I also have a small backyard and similar to yourself wanted some fruit trees along the fenceline. I started with a Nectazee (Dwarf Nectarine). This I have found to be too slow growing and have since just purchased standard plants and trained them laterally.

Here are some photos of my 2 apple trees. Anna and Golden Dorset. I have just trimmed off anything growing towards or away from the fence and they have settled nicely at fence height. Not necassarily espaliering but i am wieghting down some lateral branches.

In the fruiting photos they are in their third season. A few flowers just after purchasing, a year later a few small apples, and summer just gone a nice crop of small/medium sized apples.

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Time: 24th June 2009 10:23pm

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Jason says...
Macro Close up of flowering from the above apple tree (Last November). Used on occasion as a desktop
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Time: 24th June 2009 10:44pm

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Jimmy says...
Jase wherabouts in perth?

Time: 25th June 2009 12:24pm

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Jason says...
In Canning Vale Jimmy.

Moved here around 5 years ago and have been quite lucky that everything grows very well. Several years in a row of mulch and sheep poo have helped im sure.

Time: 25th June 2009 8:40pm

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Jimmy says...
Cool

Time: 26th June 2009 11:43am

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Eric says...
Can anyone tell me where I can buy tree grow bags in Melbourne?

Time: 8th July 2009 2:02pm

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Dekka says...
For anyone interested in amazing tree shaping ...check out Pooktre.com
(I tried posting the link but wasn't able for some reason.)

Time: 28th July 2009 1:42pm

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Dekka says...
Here's one of my favourite examples.
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Time: 28th July 2009 1:48pm

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amanda says...
Great pic Dekka..it defies imagination and the time and patience to make something like that! A bit like some of the really amazing bonsai that the Japanese do so well...my sister in law (japanese) tells me that the bonsai trees are often handed down thru' the generations..what a special heirloom.

(trying it myself - it's really hard :/

Time: 28th July 2009 9:17pm

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Brad says...
In July I came across this huge espaliered tree in Austria. My memory is like a sieve, but I think we decided it was a pear.

The trunk was right next to the building. Can you plant apples or pears next to buildings or fences safely?
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Time: 25th October 2009 12:03pm

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Julie says...
This is just my personal opinion, but I feel WA gets a bit too hot in summer for espaliered trees, especially near a fence or wall - a lot of reflected heat.

Apart from space saving, I think the espalier system was also intended to expose the fruit to as much sun as possible. Here we have the opposite problem.

I mentioned somewhere else that some local orchardists have started using Surround,a kaolin clay-based spray, to protect fruit from sunburn.

Just my thoughts.

Time: 25th October 2009 6:49pm

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Julie says...
Missed your post Jason - sorry! Yours aren't espaliered directly onto the wall - maybe this makes a difference. They still have some air circulation.

They do look good.

Eric, no-one answered your query. Daleys sell the grow bags.

Time: 25th October 2009 6:56pm

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Diana says...
Hi,

I am a bit confused about whether an apple espalier will work well if it is not dwarfing rootstock. Jason's Golden Dorset does not seem to be a dwarf (?) and looks great. The amazingly successful trees on the SA rare fruit society web page are not dwarf varieties by the look of it. On the other hand the information booklet from woodbridge fruit trees specifically says the technique is not for you if you have big tree rootstock, e.g. a standard Granny Smith.

I have just got a Golden Dorset to espalier, then I noticed after I bought it that it has Granny Smith rootstock (should have checked before!).

Will this work or have I done the wrong thing and I should move it to a more spacious spot?

Thanks very much and happy new year.
Diana.
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Time: 2nd January 2010 11:26am

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Damo says...
Non dwarf trees means more pruning to keep on the chosen espalier path.

Some people like that as they fill the trellis fast eg my espaliered plum is 2m tall in only half its first growing season.

My M26 gala dwarf is only 500mm high in
the same time on the same trellis.

I espalier trees 2 foot from the fence.

Time: 2nd January 2010 11:30am

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Diana says...
Thanks very much, Damo.

That's good to hear. I was thinking of shifting it a bit further from the fence (and putting more edging blocks between it and the fence to prevent the palings rotting- I ran out of blocks last week). I haven't put the trellis up yet either.

Diana.

Time: 2nd January 2010 11:38am

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a says...
Hi Diana, regarding the picture of the tree you just posted. It seems to be planted on a 'small hill'. Did you raise the ground to plant this tree? Was it for better drainage? The loose bricks could hold the hill in and not budge? Thanks!

Time: 2nd January 2010 6:23pm

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Diana says...
Hi a,

Yes, I have clay soil, so I dug in compost and gypsum and put about a quarter of the root ball in a hole below ground level, then made a mound of soil mixed with compost around the rest. The blocks will stop the soil washing away until the roots have grown and stabilized it, and I hope they will slow down the grass.
All of my trees are planted on mounds for drainage, because of the clay. I haven't lost any to root rot so far.

Thanks,
Diana.

Time: 3rd January 2010 6:02pm

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Sam Raslan says...
Do you have espalier with Urika lemon, West Indian lime, Japanese seedless mandarin?
Please let me know what you have in citrus fruit that will span out.
Your recommendations and suggestions will be appreciative. Even if I purchase the trees that are suitable for espalier and I can train them. Can you also indicate pricing and do you deliver to Adelaide.

Regards

Sam Raslan
Phone 0421 333 866


Time: 13th February 2015 3:28pm

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Sam Raslan says...
Do you have espalier with Urika lemon, West Indian lime, Japanese seedless mandarin?
Please let me know what you have in citrus fruit that will span out.
Your recommendations and suggestions will be appreciative. Even if I purchase the trees that are suitable for espalier and I can train them. Can you also indicate pricing and do you deliver to Adelaide.

Regards

Sam Raslan
Phone 0421 333 866


Time: 13th February 2015 3:28pm

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Carl76 says...
Sam
This is the public forum , not the store.
Hit contact on the left side.

Time: 13th February 2015 5:17pm

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