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Gardening Australia disappoints. Gone is the hard information and in its place is a soft ,fuzzy lifestyle type show. Lots of gorgeous kiddy -winkies and anthropomorphized chookies. Can puppies with bows be far behind?

Time: 8th April 2012 2:00pm

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Xiem says...
I guess the ABC has two aims; to stimulate the inexperienced and to foster those already practised. Perhaps not an easy job. Touching lightly then backing up with hard information on the website is one way to do it. I don't watch enough of GA to judge whether they achieve these objectives.

Time: 8th April 2012 4:20pm

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Mike says...
I think dumbing shows down does not really stimulate the intellect or interest of many viewers including children or the inexperienced.When you scythe through the fluff GA doesn't seem to have much solid at the core with few messages to take away,educational value or scientific merit.Kids and those not familiar with wildlife could watch and enjoy Life On Earth with David Attenborough and take something meaninful away from it.Sound messages about nutrients,species,ecology and horticulture could be dished up in a palatable way.

Time: 8th April 2012 5:49pm

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VF says...
Very much agree with all above comments, but every now and then, gems such as the 'Deep planting' episode(late '10 early '11 ?) occur which turns conventional planting on its head. Has anyone on this forum tried this with seedling fruit trees - seems like a worthwhile experiment?

Time: 8th April 2012 6:38pm

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Jason says...
I found the original Gardening Australia airing of Glowinski's garden from 1999 on a VHS tape the other day, I'm going to upload it to youtube, probably tonight

Time: 8th April 2012 6:56pm

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Mike says...
VF I didn't see that one and yes I should have been more charitable as there are occasional worthwhile segments.I always plant deep when planting on mounds as I expect the mound to be eroded down over time.I wouldn't do for most species on flat ground,especially on clay soil due to the possibility of collar rot.

Time: 8th April 2012 7:02pm

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Xiem says...
It was 25 September 2010 to be exact VF. Gardening Australia still has a fact sheet on the net.


http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s3019307.htm

Time: 8th April 2012 7:08pm

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VF says...
Thanks Xiem - I'll have to look it up again. Mike, I used to live on clay too, so I was a bit chicken, (tight wad really with plant prices,) to try method except for some hardier (and cheaper) natives. I may have to try with some seedlings I'm attempting to propogate.

Time: 8th April 2012 7:22pm

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Glennis says...
I would be happy with a gardening show that just showed how to live sustainably in cities .

Time: 9th April 2012 9:35am

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snottiegobble says...
I see we have criticism sneaking in once more!Please lets not go down that garden path again as there may well be people with "bodily displays" who enjoy & participate in this forum!

Time: 9th April 2012 10:56am

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Glennis says...
If they had a segment on how Jerry Coleby Williams maintains his Bellis garden every week then i would be happy .

Time: 9th April 2012 12:01pm

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john says...
To VF _there was a "MIke" at a Cairns Nursery with a Hungarian accent and he went further than just deep planting seedlings; he deep planted grafted varieties which, eventually, formed roots on the part of the scion that was underground.

Time: 9th April 2012 3:45pm

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Mike says...
That could have been Mike Fabian formerly of Limberlost.I understand that he was an advocate of the nursery graft which is situated at ground level or as low as possible.I have approach grafted two rootsock seedlings togethers together on durians and plan to put a single top on.Epicotyl and hypocotyl grafting can result in scion roots.

Time: 9th April 2012 3:59pm

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VF says...
John, how interesting! I guess that with the grafted varieties, the deep planting may be acting in a similar way as if they were being marcotted and sending out aerial roots?(Maybe) Definitely goes against what we all practice. (BTW I had a chuckle,as I'm of Hungarian background - maybe there's some similar thought processes.)
Mike, that sounds exciting- please keep us posted on your progress.

Time: 9th April 2012 7:42pm

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amanda says...
Deep planting does work with many Aust natives. I have had good results here. I also planted my fruit trees deeper than their original soil level - based on advice for my climate, at the time.

All the trees have survived - but I can't quite see the point? You have a rootstock for a reason, more often than not?

Anyway - I did lose my loquat that had it's graft just below soil level - due to stem canker....
Maybe more work needs to be done on this as yet..?

Didn't Mike Fabian have an interest in native frogs too Mike...?

Time: 9th April 2012 7:57pm

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Mike says...
Amanda I think deep planting might be less suitable in this neck of the woods.I don't really know Mike Fabian but have met him once or twice.I know 4 Mikes into frogs but not him and they are one of the wildlife groups I had a bit to do with in the past.Over the years I have met many frog people.

Time: 9th April 2012 8:05pm

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amanda says...
Deep planting is a new-ish concept...in any neck of the woods as yet...? Why not in your area? Acacias are very amenable to this method of planting - clay or not..?

Don't know if I would be rushing out to plant treasured/rare trees this way as yet, though :)

Time: 9th April 2012 8:11pm

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Grant says...
vasili's garden is a much better alternative.

Time: 9th April 2012 8:18pm

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Mike says...
Amanda,root rot is a real problem in the wet half of the year even in well drained areas as the soil can stay wet for so long.Unless you're on nearly pure sand on drier sites Acacias struggle here.There are quite a few in the dry areas but only 1 or 2 very big species in the wet zones.
I have seen many fruit trees die from being planted too deeply or where a well in clay soil has formed.

Time: 9th April 2012 8:27pm

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amanda says...
Generally the idea of "deep" planting natives is to get the rootball as deep as possible...this aids more rapid establishment and helps to prevent drying out of the rootball.

I am not quite understanding why you want/need/advocate to do this with "everyday" Grafted trees?

Is the Graft not there for a purpose?

Time: 9th April 2012 8:32pm

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amanda says...
So you plant deeply, but on mounds? That sounds a bit Irish ;-) Like I would plant on a hill within in a bowl depression for my zone...hmnnn? ;-)

My point, I guess, is that the Jury is still out on deep planting...fads/theories come and go (eg: like crocking in the bottom of pots?) and I am sure the older timers here can remember plenty more...

Wait n see maybe :)



Time: 9th April 2012 8:41pm

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Mike says...
Planting deeply on mounds is not so crazy in rainy areas where the mound will be eroded no matter what you do and mounds drain well.Last month (1400mm) took a bit more soil off my mounded trees in spite of mulch.My citrus would be like stilt root mangroves if shallow planted on mounds.Most fruit trees are shallow rooted for a reason.
Deep planting may be a good strategy for deep rooted, dry area species.

Time: 9th April 2012 9:01pm

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amanda says...
Good point Mike...would living ground covers assist with stabilisation and mopping up extra water..?

You almost need a "skirt" to put around your trees in the wet season hey..? :)

Time: 11th April 2012 4:34pm

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Brendan says...
I remember seeing (on tv), someone planting grafted avocado trees deep so that the graft was actually below the soil line.
They figured if the 'rootstock' died, the budwood/scion would take root and save the tree? :-/ Worked for them.

Time: 12th April 2012 7:23am

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TMary says...
GA just shot a segment here to be shown 23 August for anyone who's interested.

Time: 9th July 2014 4:57pm

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symiot says...
Cool, you mean at your place? What is it about?

Time: 9th July 2014 5:30pm

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TMary says...
Nothing profound I'm afraid:). I guess it's about growing fruit trees in pots with all the challenges of a tiny plot.

Time: 9th July 2014 5:59pm

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Brain says...
Nice one mary, looking forward to see it.

Time: 9th July 2014 7:18pm

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sternus1 says...
Let us all know when it's going to air Mary, I'll definitely be tuning in.

Time: 10th July 2014 8:17am

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MaryT1 says...
I hope you all tune it. My garden was once a car space and no doubt when I am gone, it will revert to a car space. As mentioned, it will be aired 23 August but would be previewed the week before.

Time: 10th July 2014 8:25am

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JohnMc1 says...
That's great MaryT. I have GA on series link so I can go back and watch previous episodes. My fav presenter was Paul Recher, he had some good ideas, esp the episode on truncheons. I have dreams of walking around my plot one day with my phone camera and uploading it to UTube just for fun. I uploaded one short vid of my multi-grafted pear tree. I definitely need to do a few to get the hang of it first, for me, it's not that easy.

Time: 10th July 2014 11:49am

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MaryT1 says...
Maybe you can tape it for me then JohnMc1; it's pretty low tech here and I don't have the facility or know how. I saw your video on youtube; it's amazing. GA should do a segment about it.

Time: 10th July 2014 1:28pm

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symiot says...
There is something refreshing about someone not knowing how to record a TV program in today's world. I'm actually somewhat envious Mary..well done. I sometimes wish we had less technology, particularly with kids and social media.

Time: 10th July 2014 5:24pm

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MaryT1 says...
symiot I am one of the last people to get a digital TV (what a shock to realise there were so many channels out there). If I have the right gear I'm sure I can learn to record a TV program but so far I only have the 15" TV :)

Time: 10th July 2014 5:35pm

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JohnMc1 says...
Thank you for the compliments MaryT but I wouldn't get too excited, there's a lot of room for improvement. GA keeps all their episodes online so you can go back and watch previous shows. I can't guarantee anything, but I'll see if I can record the ep and copy it onto a usb stick, so all you have to do is plug it into your new digital tv and watch.

Time: 10th July 2014 8:04pm

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TMary says...
Thanks John, please don't bother if it's available online. I just hope my family and friends can see it from overseas.

Time: 10th July 2014 9:14pm

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sternus1 says...
What brand of TV do you havd Mary? Not all USB drives/ external hard drives will work with all TV's, and might require reformatting or firmware updates/registration.

Time: 11th July 2014 5:42am

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jakfruit etiquette says...
How many of the Dr Paul Recher episodes are available there JohnMc1 ?? All ??
Too bad they didnt keep him on the show!!

Time: 11th July 2014 8:52am

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Jason says...
Paul was the best presenter on TV ever!. Imagine if he was the host. Maybe on SBS it would have been possible.

Time: 11th July 2014 3:47pm

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Brain says...
I think the best bet is to post your segment on youtube, then its almost fail proof.


Time: 13th July 2014 11:42am

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symiot says...
Mary did you give Costa a pear, ginger & pecan nut cake at your place? ;)

https://twitter.com/gardeningaus/status/488943136014483456
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Picture: 1

Time: 15th July 2014 11:34pm

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MaryT1 says...
Oh gees that is too scary, symiot. Yes, I did. :)

Time: 16th July 2014 6:06am

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sternus1 says...
Mary has your episode aired yet? I can download it on the ABC site.

Costa sure does have a mighty beard.

Time: 16th July 2014 7:38am

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MaryT1 says...
Costa is genuine; no airs or pretences. Truly interested in plants and the planet and building communities. He gives his time freely to many.

The producer Albert Koomen promised me a DVD so I won't need a recording after all.

Time: 16th July 2014 8:18am

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sternus1 says...
Good to see you back on the boards symiot ;)

Costa's beard is Zeus-like in its impressiveness.

Time: 16th July 2014 9:02am

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MaryT1 says...
The figs are bare right now, symiot. Not sure what you'll see - it might be over in a minute, or two or three...

Time: 16th July 2014 12:56pm

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sternus1 says...
You're super cute Mary, I forgot to add that :D

Time: 16th July 2014 1:27pm

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Jason says...
Rule number one in life is never trust a man without a beard. Costa must be the most honest guy on the planet.

Time: 16th July 2014 3:00pm

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sternus1 says...
There's never been a better time to post this: Compulsory viewing everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnarFSj_U

Time: 16th July 2014 3:14pm

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Julie says...
Err, that was different! Thanks!

Time: 16th July 2014 6:55pm

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Diego says...
Very amusing.

Time: 16th July 2014 7:37pm

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Jason says...
I believe this was voted song of the year in Australia last year or so. Made the final couple at least. Gillette hate these guys now that no one shaves anyone. They are hero's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkLH4uZ73M

Time: 16th July 2014 7:59pm

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