Grafted white sapote. Where can i get one? (forum)

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Hie all i was wondering where else i can get a grafted white Sapote from. Daleys has been out of stock for a while now and no one else seems to sell a grafted variety and i have been told seedlings take up to 8 years to set fruit and aren't true to the parent tree.

I have tried contacting Daleys but they never give a direct answer! Any one know when they can have them in stock or where else i can get them?

Time: 22nd May 2016 2:23pm

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Markmelb says...
Figbarron -where exactly in Vic are you? Bulleen Art & Garden currently have some but still be prepared for a wait as ivebeen trying for 5+ years and still only getting tiny unfertile fruits. Try getting a Kampong or Suebelle or Vernon as pollinators with something else like Lemon Gold or Pyke.look at my edibles page as my triple planting is going really well and Suebelle is flowering like crazy - vernon has some & zero yet on Reineke but may graft Kampong to a branch next summer.May try grafting lemon gold onto reineke instead - depends on scion material - pencil thick works the best.

Time: 23rd May 2016 8:12am

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Figbarron says...
Im around the frankston area. Wow. i did not think they took that long to flower and produce fruit.So would getting a seedling be not much different from getting a grafted sapote?

Time: 23rd May 2016 5:31pm

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Markmelb says...
A seedling will grow alot taller and wispier than a grafted CV - the seedlings tend to fruit on branch tips so pruning hard not as effective as you will be removing fruiting growth that will hold flowers - but there are a couple CVs that are more compact etc like Kampong and SueBelle.
Ive noted that last two flower along branches or create spurs lower down.
Sometimes grafted CVs are sold during winter at Heritage Grafting days at Werribee and Pettys orchard soon.
Check Werribee Park website.

Time: 24th May 2016 10:00am

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Peter91 says...
Getting a seedling might take even longer to fruit, but at the same time you might get horrible fruits from it too, since it's so variable.

You're honestly best off getting a pollinator like Vernon which also has good fruits, and then choosing another grafted type that sounds good to you.

This all depends on space, but with white sapote's you're generally looking at two trees for pollination, unless you get a Kampong variety that is self fertile. I currently have 8 cv's, so this is my most collected tree.

There was a guy in Melbourne selling heaps of grafted varieties, but he doesn't ship etc so you'd need to collect, I think markmelb would know who i'm speaking of and have his contact.

You could also try contact Perry's fruit and nut nursery here in Adelaide, they might have some grafted varieties. Other than that you need to check daley's every week to see if any are added, multiple varieties were sold over spring/summer on daleys website.

Time: 24th May 2016 7:07pm

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Figbarron says...
Thanks Peter. I managed to buy a grafted variety from Daleys. They now have some in stock and they are going quick!

Time: 26th May 2016 2:50pm

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Peter91 says...
What variety did you get out of interest Figbarron?

Time: 27th May 2016 10:53pm

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Figbarron says...
I got the Lemon Gold Variety. I will buy another variety maybe a golden globe in future

Time: 28th May 2016 9:12pm

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Peter91 says...
The Lemon Gold definitely has a nice taste, although i've never actually got to try a fully matured fruit of it, so I can only imagine it'd get better.

Golden Globe would be a good choice, but if possible i'd also say aim for a Chris variety as an alternative, as apparently the Chris has high quality fruits.

Time: 29th May 2016 5:32pm

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Markmelb says...
FB - I saw Kampong available recently with the Lemon Gold you ordered which isnt self fertile - Kampong is and possibly if I started again would get only these 2. As are primo varieties I feel. Did you know it doesnt cost much more to have 2 plus a megatube sent to Melb and again not much more for 4 plus a megatube in one box - just a few tips for future orders as collecting tends to become addictive.
Your Lemon Gold will definitely have small fruit but nut apple sized pollinated fruits.

Time: 29th May 2016 8:57pm

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Figbarron says...
Thanks for the advice. Daleys said it would benefit from cross pollination but can set fruit by itself. I'll also be hand pollinating as i have gotten good results with other fruiting plants. But i will definitely get a different variety. im not too familiar with varieties and this would be the first i owned the store bought sapotes were not branded as to what cultivar they were taken from. If anyone can make a list of cv's that are most recommended that would be awesome!

Time: 30th May 2016 1:55pm

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Peter91 says...
Out of actual pollinators your only choice really is an Ortega and Vernon, i'd choose a Vernon honestly. And since you got Lemon Gold, a Pollinator is probably something you realistically need to look for now, I know this for fact as I know a guy up in NSW who only has a Lemon Gold and his fruits don't reach full size without one, they taste good but still nowhere near the desired size you'd want.

Kampong as myself and Mark said is self fertile, so generally best to get if you're looking for a single tree, or maybe as a pollinator, fruits are reportedly good too.

CV's that i've generally heard have top quality fruit that I know are in Australia are Chris, Vista and Wilson.

Then there's the unique varieties out there that apparently have orange skin/flesh etc like Reinecke Commercial, Mac's Golden etc, but i've never seen/heard much about these two so I can't recommend them if you don't have the space, i've got both but it's the waiting game till they fruit to find out.

There's no real reason to delve into further varieties unless you're actually going to commit to the space past having 3 tree's or keeping them in pots.

Time: 31st May 2016 9:50pm

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Markmelb says...
FB - the ones on Daleys site that say pollination beneficial dont actually bear pollen till 5 to 10 years old and then its a maybe - ive seen pollen on my SueBelle this year - first time ive ever seen pollen on one so far and is very yellow and visible too - I am currently pollinating my pike and hawaii supreme with this to see what happens - the only ones daleys doesnt have is SueBelle - Rainbow - Vista and Daddow which would maybe grow too large.

SueBelle and Kampong are known as ever bearers so can hold fruit and flower all year long a bit like mature lemon tree -- so you need at least one of these or an Ortega too possibly?
Ill leave up to you but one WS is like having one plum tree unless its a cotton candy plum 9very tasty) If you got kampong as a single tree you would be fine.

Heres a Pic of SueBelle flowering and you can see the pollen on some flowers quite yellow
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Time: 31st May 2016 9:51pm

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Figbarron says...
My Lemon Gold arrived on Monday. Glad i fastways. Auspost has been really bad lately, lots of delayed parcels. I have been told that one White sapote is enough to get fruit from, that why i bought a single one. I wanted a kampong and an ortega but i was too slow. i got the notification of their availability and by the time i got home an hour and a half later, they were sold out! In the picture it has a very obvious looking bud and lots of smaller ones along the trunk as well, is it branching or trying to flower? i know the latter seems a bit far fetched as its quite young.
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Time: 1st June 2016 9:27pm

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Figbarron says...
Markmelb i saw your reviews on the Nam Doc Mai mango and dwarf palmer and the other mangoes. How are they going so far? which type of mango do you recommend for growing in melbourne?

Thanks

Time: 2nd June 2016 4:52pm

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Markmelb says...
FB - you have to be very quick lately for WS - the guy at grafting days does occasionally have Kampong - I think i explained quite well the Mangoes i have getting thru winter in my locale without protection on the Mango threads.

BTW - They are branch buds but could have flowers on scion wood - but sometimes wont flower again properly for a few more years - nothing is instant when it comes to growing sub tropicals in Melbourne.


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Figbarron says...
True. Thanks for your help. I bought an 18 month old Bowen/Kensington pride mango off ebay. I'll have to keep a close eye on the mangoes. I'll try to get either an Irwin or King Thai. which ever comes first!

Time: 13th June 2016 2:04pm

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Linton says...
The dwarf white sapote needed repotting as it was growing more vigorously than expected. When I tried to move the pot it was stuck to the ground due to a thick taproot that had grown through the bottom of the pot and into the ground. Jiggling the pot around the taproot finally snapped. Do you think this will affect the plants growth or perfomance?

Now it is pictured in a larger pot which I assumed would be sufficient for a dwarf variety but was not aware that White Sapotes had such a big strong taproot. Do you think it will be ok in this pot? Most of my ws plants do well and fruit in their pots and they are not even compact types so I thought that this one should be most suitable. Thank you.
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Julie says...
Too late now, but it's best to stand any pot on slabs or bricks to prevent roots growing into the ground. I learned this the hard way!

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jakfruit etiquette says...
If the root is out of the pot, the plant is feeding from the soil, not only the pot.
I just did the same as you with a Citrus ( related to White Sapote ) in a glasshouse.
The water in the pot couldn't sustain the top growth, so it sagged quickly and dropped leaves.
At this time of year it is cool, your tree might not be too active. If it didnt go backwards immediately it should be ok, and might be able to grow roots in the new pot to catch up to where it was.
If you plan to keep it in a pot, snapping the taproot shouldn't matter. Some other trees are very sensitive to this, or any taproot disturbance.
In general you should also trim up any cracks or uneven breaks in the broken taproot to allow it to heal evenly.

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