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Hello, I am looking for infomation regarding my loquat orchard.
I have just competed the 08 harvest of the orchard and would like to remove some older and less desireable varieties and relocate some of the smaller, more popular and younger trees in their place. I currently have approx 330 trees and want to reduce this number to approx 65.
When would be the best time to transplant the trees that would give me the best success rate?
Do I need to prune beforehand?
I was thinking late March early April 09 with the rains just starting.
Any thoughts you can provide would be helpful. Thanks Tim
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Time: 10th November 2008 4:41pm

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John says...
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Chainsaw the old trees and replace with fresh trees.

I have an orchard full of loquats on Roberts Rd Kelmscott and they do not transplant at all well.

Time: 11th November 2008 12:18pm

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Tim says...
Thanks John, I does seem a bit harsh but that may be the the way I end up.
I am looking into using a mechanical shovel to relocate the younger trees and haven't found anyone that can provide this service yet.

Time: 13th November 2008 10:48am

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John says...
There is an eartmoving mob on ranford St (off brookton Hwy) Kelmscott that can do this. Their name escapes em right now. Have a look after hours for the diggers etc.

Time: 13th November 2008 1:08pm

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Julie says...
My loquat is bearing heavily this year, after practically none last year.

I want to thin the fruit, but it is going to take ages if I pick off individual fruit. Do you think I would get the same result by removing whole clusters? Anyone done this?

Time: 23rd August 2010 7:17pm

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Brad says...
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/loquat.html

i understand "cluster thinning" to mean exactly what you suggest

Time: 23rd August 2010 7:37pm

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John Mc says...
I had the chance to transplant a largish loquat last July. Not the best time to be doing it, now is better. It was move it or lose it, so I took the chance only because it was a grafted var called Champagne. Anyway, it hasn't looked all that great since but I still have some hope that it might survive.
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Time: 23rd August 2010 8:25pm

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Julie says...
Thanks Brad, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Don't know why I haven't thought of it before - would have saved me a lot of time!

Time: 24th August 2010 7:45pm

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kert says...
May I ask where you obtained the Champaign loquat? . I understand they are v. good.

Time: 25th August 2010 8:50am

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John Mc says...
Hey Kert,
I dug this tree up prior to the property owner selling up and moving to town. I'll go talk to him and find out more. He was definate on the var name, that's why I went to the trouble of relocating it.


Time: 25th August 2010 8:12pm

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BJ says...
They shouldn't be too hard to find. There was one in the garden centre around the corner from me on the weekend.

Time: 26th August 2010 10:19am

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kert says...
I've had heaps of trouble finding them.There are two loquats on my wish list, Mizuho and Champagne; both are highly regarded and I 've yet to see them for sale.

Time: 26th August 2010 1:11pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I had a Mizuho back in Victoria which I had to leave behind when I moved here. I bought it through a nursery in Moonee Ponds which was supplied by Birdwood from memory. I managed to layer a seedling tree which bore the most luscious white fruits, so here's hoping it will do well.

Time: 26th August 2010 2:42pm

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kerrt says...
Yes, that sounds right. Birdwood had a lot of "enthusiast" type trees of all descriptions but then it decided to confine itself to commercial varieties. I did see a Mizuho in Perth years ago . It was anursery a fair way out of town run by an eccentric type. He had it in a huge bag and the thing had rooted to the ground . I thought I would have trouble bringing it onto the plane.Still and all there must be a parent tree somewhere near Birdwood.

Time: 27th August 2010 9:02am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Kert do you know if loquats can generally be air layered successfully? My white loquat is still sporting green leaves nearly two years after I severed it from its parent branch but have kept it in its original bag of soil once I potted it up, hoping it will take off. It grew roots into the sphagnum moss within a couple of months, but the farm sold quickly when we moved up so didn't have as long on the tree as I would have liked.
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Time: 27th August 2010 2:22pm

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Brad says...
I believe so. A local nurseryman was saying his lychees and loquats were marcotted and this is confirmed by the table at http://www.crfg.org/tidbits/proptable.html

PS odd that I've referenced the same site twice in a thread I know nothing about personally

Time: 27th August 2010 3:27pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Thanks Brad, that's quite a comprehensive list, will keep it for future reference.
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Time: 27th August 2010 4:26pm

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Brad says...
that's really not how I'd pictured you phil ;)

Time: 27th August 2010 5:14pm

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Jason says...
Give Phil a few more years up there and he will look like this

http://www.nimbinmardigrass.com/2007/images/postcard.jpg

I've actually met that guy at a market in the hills about 10 yers ago, he looked even more outstanding in person :)

Time: 27th August 2010 6:05pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Heheh - bushy beard maybe, the helicopter flies over a bit too regular to be surrounded by all that greenery... this is the real me btw.
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Time: 27th August 2010 6:42pm

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John Mc says...
Here s a pic of my recently transplanted Champagne loquat. It didn t like the move at all. I had to remove all the dirt from around the roots because it was totally covered in pennyweed and I wasn t bringing any of that home.
Anyway, all I can do now is keep the seasol up to it including the leaves and see what happens.
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Time: 27th August 2010 9:21pm

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Jason says...
One guy here thought he would be funny and ran outside to throw covers on his tomato's just as the chopper flew over :p. About 4 cars full of cops arrived soon after and gave him a stern talking to once they realised he wasn't doing anything illegal

Time: 27th August 2010 11:20pm

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allybanana says...
Thats great guys i grew up in the scrub with crazy hippy parents i can so relate. By thje way to the two year old thread of buldozing in the loquats why not graft them with somthing else compatable nashi, pear etc. while i am on this thread what is the go with green sapote and mamey sapote they look so much like loquae is this just parallel evolution ie not related but simlar or are they inded related. they are of different familys loquat in Rosaceae and green sapote in Sapotaceae I dont think i would get away with top working/grafting green sapote onto one of my my loquat tree would I?

Time: 28th August 2010 1:10am

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Jason says...
Only when they are babys the shape of the leaves makes them look a bit the same but if you compare adult trees

Mamey I saw in Mexico versus a Loquat.

Re moving big trees, I'd say it would always work out better and faster to prepare seedlings first and then re graft your collection to new trees

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Time: 28th August 2010 3:02am

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Jantina says...
It does look a bit sad John Mc but I would persist with the seasol too. If the limbs aren't actually shrivelled maybe you could try a cutting or grafting a bit onto another loquat.

Time: 28th August 2010 3:10pm

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kert says...
Phil, that picture of you and the loquats ,they look as if they might be Bessel Brown . Are they definitely Champagne?

Time: 28th August 2010 4:12pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
The white ones in the first post I put up are just from a seedling, the lady holding the big bunch is no one I know, just thought the fruit in the pic was quite spectacular. Some of the markets in Japan sell even larger fruit.

Time: 28th August 2010 5:08pm

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BJ says...
Hi Kert,
If you really want a Champagne Loquat, there is definitely one for sale at Nova Gardens in the Gap. You could ring them and see if they will ship, or who their stockist is, and see if they have sent any to anywhere near you...

Time: 28th August 2010 5:53pm

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kert says...
Much appreciated . I will definitely get onto them, BJ.

Time: 29th August 2010 9:52am

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BJ says...
Question for the Loquat growers out there: Which variety is the best for a home garden? (taste, size of tree, easy management, pests etc.)

Time: 31st August 2010 11:09am

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Jason says...
BJ others might not agree but a seedling and then a graft from the best tree local to you. I had some commercial ones grafted on quince and they never do well at least not in cooler areas. But if you make a copy of a local one you at least know it will perform

Time: 31st August 2010 4:40pm

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Rev says...
"One guy here thought he would be funny and ran outside to throw covers on his tomato's just as the chopper flew over :p. About 4 cars full of cops arrived soon after and gave him a stern talking to"

thats my sense of humour. lol
cept i wouldnt take the talking to
youd be well within your rights to tell them to GF.. I dont grow or smoke weed, though im fine with those who do for personal and community, so i fully resent the imposition of helicopters over my house. Bastards wasting taxpayer dollars. Weed subsidizes centrelink in remote areas,it saves the country millions/-go chase white collar crime instead..G.F.C. ring any bells?

what about seedling loquats?
thats all ive ever known. about 3-4 years from seed to fruit with the ones ive grown - SW WA
I hope my grafted Nagasakiwase from Daleys survives down south. Im looking fwd to planting a grove of its seedlings. Too bad about the fly
otherwise its a great difficult zone subtropical tree

Time: 31st August 2010 7:07pm

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BJ says...
Great, i've got a 2yr old seedling in the yard that has shot up from under the neighbor's mock orange and through my fence that i can try grafting on to. I'll have a look locally as they are starting to ripen now. Hopefully i'll beat the fruit flies to them!

Time: 31st August 2010 7:08pm

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BJ says...
Kert, have you called Birdwood to ask about Mizuho? Their retail nursery list says they have it. It is current as of October last year, so not that long ago at all. There may still be some there?

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Nagasaki Wase, Mizuho, Tony 2 & Vin 1 (Western Aust Pearl), Bessel Brown

Time: 1st September 2010 2:46pm

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kert says...
Thanks again. How did you obtain their retail list? Their web site has been down for months ,the retail section ,anyway. I'll give them a ring stat.

Time: 2nd September 2010 8:25am

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Jantina says...
Rev I wouldn't think you'd have any problems growing loquat down south, my Nagasakiwase from Daleys has doubled in size in less than a year and now has 11 fruits on it.

Time: 2nd September 2010 9:08am

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Mame1 says...
I have two mamey sapote seedlings growing in my apartment.They are just a few days old,they seem to be growing pretty well,and pretty fast,theyre growing faster than i thought a mamey seedling would theyre bigger everyday.

Time: 25th September 2011 2:33am

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BJ says...
Kert, if you are still out there - I've located a supplier of Mizuho and Champagne loquat. He's based on the South side of Brisbane. He had a stall at the BOGI fair over the weekend - and had some huge (6-7ft) Mizuho plants there. He also does the Chandler markets. I'll post a contact when I get home.

Time: 3rd October 2011 3:15pm

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kert says...
Thanks BJ ,still v. interested in acquiring these loquats . Would appreciate a contact phone or address.

Time: 4th October 2011 9:00am

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John Mc says...
Also very interested in contact details , BJ, if you don't mind?
If they're anything like my early supersweet, zero tartness when left to fully ripen on the tree, seedling Nagasakiwase, I would like to try other varieties.
I also have a grafted Nagasakiwasi, bessell brown and unknown seedling with large fruit, all about to ripen up.

Time: 4th October 2011 3:34pm

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BJ says...
just checked the plant tag - contact details:

Bob's Best/Fairchild Organics
0428730233
mcguffin dot bob at gmail dot com

I picked up a Hazzard and Edranol Avo - both of which are getting very hard to come by for such quality fruit.

Time: 4th October 2011 7:28pm

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kert says...
Very much appreciated.

Time: 5th October 2011 9:48am

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petermyersaus says...
A couple of years ago, I tasted a Loquat with (as I recall) brown skin and brown flesh. It was dryish inside rather than juicy.

It was delicious; I would not have known it was a loquat if someone hadn't told me.

Which variety could it have been?

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Time: 12th October 2011 9:52am

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john says...
It was a dehydrated fruit .

Time: 12th October 2011 9:55am

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petermyersaus says...
But which variety would be brown when dehydrated? Brown outside and inside?

Time: 12th October 2011 10:00am

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john says...
Just a guess -Bessel Brown

Time: 12th October 2011 10:34am

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Julie says...
I had no loquate last year - but then I had problems with other fruit too. It was a weird season in WA.

Now my loquat is covered in flowers. Can I thin them out by removing some clusters? Makes more sense to me than waiting tii they form fruit, then thinning. Seems like a waste of energy -for the loquat I mean.

Time: 18th June 2012 8:37pm

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John Mc says...
Julie, I thin the individual immature fruits when they get to a certain size rather than remove whole clusters. Might be more fiddly, but probably preaching to the converted with the benefits of thining fruit.

Time: 18th June 2012 10:55pm

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Julie says...
But that is so time consuming John! And hard on my shoulders - can't hold them up for long.

I did ask some time ago (somewhere in this thread) about thinning whole clusters instead of individual fruits, and Brad put a link that seemed to say that was OK.

Still wondering about the flower clusters.

Time: 19th June 2012 8:03pm

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John Mc says...
The fruit doesn't ripen all at once so it's easy to thin out a few bunches at a time over the month or so. When I've thinned the bunch out I cover it with a large organza bag and then they're safe till they ripen to perfection. Being able to leave the fruit on the tree till perfectly ripe, gives them bragging rights as one of the most beautiful tasting fruits on the planet, IMO. I've kept my tree fairly low so I can reach nearly every bunch from the ground.

Time: 19th June 2012 10:58pm

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Julie says...
Me too John. I cut out the middle (main trunk) when when I planted it, and it has never grown to more that 2 metres tall.

I don't get fruit fly, but the birds go for them. Didn't find the bags stopped birds from eating (or trying to) my peaches last season, so not sure I'll bother. I'll throw over a net curtain.

Time: 20th June 2012 8:15pm

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Dr Fruit says...
Bob at Fairchilds has new ph due to coverage issues 0456711580, has 3 Champagnes in stock as of yesterday due to cancelled order if you can't get them from Daleys, he prefers you try them first as this their forum. {Boo Hiss J}

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Carl76 says...
Wouldn't mind a mizuho.

Time: 20th January 2014 8:48pm

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ivepeters says...
I ran into him at Chandler markets Sunday, he said he had sold out of all grafted mizuho till next year.

Time: 20th January 2014 8:59pm

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yrt says...
Is the Champaign as good as it is made out to be?

Time: 21st January 2014 7:41am

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yrt says...
Dr Fruit , can I consult you on whether 'Fairchilds' is a nursery? I could not find it online.

Time: 21st January 2014 7:46am

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Dr Fruit says...
Fairchilds is indeed a nursery, and have been selling fruit trees for 30 years in S.E. Q. Named for famed fruit explorer David Fairchild they sell @ selected venues. Doesn't have a website as it would force prices up too much and no mail order anyway. as this is another nurseries site I don't want to spruik it any further, It offends one of the forum members but not Daleys{ a highly respected supplier in the industry} apparently

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gimme says...
How does one buy fruit trees from fairchilds?

Time: 21st January 2014 10:38am

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Dr Fruit says...
FAIRCHILDS.Look this is Daley's site so once and once only.Text request to 0422039809, this is atext only line, or Chandler Mkts on Sundays.Occasionally other mkts and irregular Sydney runs. Stock is always changing so text and you might save yourself a trip.
I will only reply to fruit tree problems on this forum in future, no sales
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yrt says...
I'm pretty sure that you are not detracting from sales at Daleys. fanning interest in ,say, loquats probably increases the market. Daleys cannot stock everything and do not stock Champaign. Does Bob McGuffin have an interest in Fairchilds?

Time: 21st January 2014 1:07pm

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BJ says...
If Daley's dont stock it then there really isnt any conflict.

Time: 21st January 2014 1:21pm

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yrt says...
Dr. Fruit , please call back ;all is forgiven.

Time: 22nd January 2014 2:08pm

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Carl76 says...
Dr Fruit
Can you list types available and any named varieties.
thanks
Trees that Daleys doesn't have of course.

Time: 22nd January 2014 8:22pm

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Dr Fruit says...
Hi
I have Champagne {only 3 left} and some [4 I think] advanced Vin no 1 in 100 litre bags about 2.4 metres and just about to flower.I have lots of crosses that I have been working on for 2-3 years, one in particular looks very promising if fruit is good I will be selling them at the next B.O.G.I. fair which is in October I think. I would check with Daleys first though.
cheers

Time: 24th January 2014 9:29pm

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Carl76 says...
Dr Fruit
Do you only carry loquats or do you have other varieties ?

Time: 24th January 2014 10:12pm

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phil@tyalgum says...
I was lucky to get a couple of "Vista White" seedlings up which are thriving. I hope they are similar to the parent plant in Orlando, Fl.


Time: 25th January 2014 9:19am

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Tricia says...
We paid over $200 to have a tree "surgeon" move my loquat (Jap Plum). We just built a house and were in the process of moving. We went over to the house 2 days after the tree was moved and it had FELL! We had a different company come and stand it back up. Not knowing exactly how long it was on the ground! All of the leaves turned brown, but did not fall off. That was NOV. Now it is FEB...we scraped the bark and there is green all over the tree but the leaves didn't fall...so this weekend we pulled all of the leaves off and all of the old fruit too. Is there hope for this tree? It used to have so much fruit every year. I am worried about the old girl...she was almost 10 when we moved her...

Time: 18th February 2014 6:52am

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Don C says...
A few years ago I moved an orange tree, it just sat there for months. The leaves got tattier and tattier, some fell off and no new ones grew. I bought and applied some seasol as a last effort. Within a week or two new shoots came out. Could have been coincidence, but I'd recommend giving seasol a try if you haven't already.

Time: 18th February 2014 10:05am

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denise1 says...
Loquats are generally a hardy tree. Having said that, they can sometimes suffer regular bouts of fireblight which they usually recover from. You need to protect it from any negative factors at this point. Be careful not to keep it soaked for too long. The roots need to breath air occaisionaly and prolonged drowning could lill them. On the other hand drying out too much would be bad too. You could drape some frostcloth over it for a while if you think it needs that. If you do need to buy a replacement tree, get a grafted one and it will be fruiting in no time at all.

Time: 18th February 2014 10:13am

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Chris says...
Fireblight you say? Not yet in Australia thankfully.

Time: 18th February 2014 11:43am

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mc1 says...
I would like to buy some cuttings of Champagne or Mizuho varieties if anyone is willing to sell some. Have been looking for grafted trees and contacting numbers to no avail.
Cheers
Marcus


Time: 17th December 2018 12:56pm

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Edward3 says...
I thought it might interest others that I have a Nagasakiwase loquat tree growing in Katoomba and doing very well. I transplanted it from Sydney where its flowers were constantly eaten by moth caterpillars, and of course there was also the fruit fly problem. The tree was 2 meters tall when I moved it, and it showed no transplant shock. It has now given us fruit and it seems Katoomba weather suits it well, even though we get the occasional snow falls.

Time: 10th December 2019 11:54am

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Philstyler says...
Hi Edward3, I am very interested in the process of transplanting a loquat tree - I am going to attempt to move one from my yard into a large container. The tree is approximately 1.5 to 2 meters tall so similar in size to what you have described. What time of year did you move it and do you mind providing some details on the process? I have read varied reports on the difficulty & success rate of transplanting Loquat trees. Unfortunately I don't know the exact type of loquat. Thanks in advance

Time: 29th December 2020 1:57pm

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