Mangoes in Melbourne: Mission Impossible? (forum)

Jon starts with ...
Just wondering how hard it is to grow mangoes in Melbourne?

I've been looking at the Nam Doc Mai, Glenn and Bowen varieties.

I have a pretty sheltered position between a few other trees and hopefully that would protect it from wind and help it to retain warmth.

So is it impossible to get one that will fruit, or just very hard?

Jon

Time: 23rd February 2009 6:42pm

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Wayne says...
Jon, I would suggest you contact http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/vro/vrosite.nsf/pages/vrohome as I feel they would be best qualified to help you.

Failing that, most mangoes do not like cold weather in extended periods, so give it a go if you wish

Time: 23rd February 2009 7:30pm

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Jason says...
If you are in inner Melbourne and plant it near a North wall I wouldn't bet against you. Melbourne is MUCH warmer overnight than almost anywhere else in the state now and that's what Mangos need. If I lived in the city I'd be disspointed in myself if I couldnt' grow one :), not possible out in the country however

Time: 24th February 2009 5:09am

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Jon says...
How about Camberwell?

Time: 24th February 2009 2:51pm

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Jon says...
Also Wayne, I will email the DPI soon. Thanks everyone for helping.

Time: 24th February 2009 2:53pm

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Wayne says...
I hope you have success Jon, I tried searching for Mangoes for a cool climate but found nothing, however, I found this link and as our Mangoes originated in India this variety could be super special. So ask the DPI about them.
Cheers and good luck
http://www.alphonsomangoes.com/

Time: 24th February 2009 3:28pm

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Wayne says...
My goodness me, I just opened that link and read it properly. We can get the Alphonso mango here, in fact I have a seedling in the back yard that I have just grafted some R2E2 scions on to. It is called Mangifera Indica here and I bought it from Bunnings -- how about that for a coincidence.

Time: 24th February 2009 3:39pm

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Jon says...
So will that species grow in Melbourne, or only Qld and Mackay? Has anyone tasted the Nam Doc Mai?

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Time: 28th February 2009 10:26am

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Wayne says...
Ask the DPI jon

Time: 28th February 2009 3:08pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Wayne, now that the cyclone has passed I have a question for you, are you saying that you can lay your hands on the specific Alphonso variety up in Mackay?

Time: 18th March 2009 10:50am

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Wayne says...
Hi Jantina

I don't know about the cyclone season being finished, the rain has returned today and one could form out to sea by the weekend.

The Alphonso mango is marketed here as Mangifera Indica and I got mine from Bunnings. Do you have a Bunnings store? Daleys sell them as well but the freight might be a bit expensive. Where would your plant stock come from over there?

Time: 18th March 2009 2:53pm

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Jantina says...
We do have a Bunnings store these days Wayne but I would rather get one from Daleys as the quality is so good, unfortunately they have it listed under seeking propagation material.I will just have to wait. Thanks for that info. I sincerely hope you do not get another cyclone!

Time: 18th March 2009 5:31pm

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Dekka says...
Wayne, Is your post suggesting that the name Mangifera indica is the 'Alphonso' variety only? Or are you saying that Bunnings sells Alphonso but labels it merely as Mangifera indica?

Time: 19th March 2009 6:57pm

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Wayne says...
http://www.alphonsomangoes.com/

Read this link Dekka, I bought a "Mangifera Indica" mango from Bunnings and according to this link they are one and the same as I read it.

Time: 20th March 2009 1:37pm

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Dekka says...
Wayne, I meant that "Mangifera indica" refers to just about all commercially grown mangoes, so unless the Bunnings label specifically says 'Alfonso' then then you've misinterpretted the info in your link and you've probably bought a Bowen(K.P).
Try this link if you're interested in Mangoes.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/Morton/Mango_arS.html

Time: 20th March 2009 6:52pm

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Jon says...
Ahah, that's why I was a bit confused about the Alphonso variety.

Time: 21st March 2009 10:15am

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Wayne says...
Well that is confusing Dekka, I am a Bowen-ite and have never heard what you say before.

Time: 21st March 2009 2:25pm

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Firefly says...
Wayne, what are you confused by? All mangoes are in the same genus and species, and just have a different cultivar name, like any other fruit.

Apples, for instance, are all Malus domestica. Granny Smith, Red Delicious etc are all cultivars thereof.



Time: 21st March 2009 4:25pm

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Wayne says...
I just didn't realise that the hundreds of different varieties of mangoes were all known as Mangifera indica

Time: 21st March 2009 7:47pm

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Krasch says...
I'm growing a mango and it's fine.
It's on a north facing brick wall in a large mound.
To me the trick is to mimic it's native conditions - so ensure the soil well drains in winter and water plentifully in summer. Also protect well from frosts.
I'm now growing a bundle from seed - just need to find nam doc Mai mangoes...

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J says...
I grew a kensignton pride for two years in the ground in the dandenong ranges. It survived the winters but any new growth from the summer would die off in winter, so effectively it remained the same size all the time. Removed it and put a cumquat in its spot.

I'm having a go with a nam doc mango in a pot, i'll be moving it under cover come late autumn and move it out in the open in late spring. Based on what I've read, mango trees in pots do better in melbourne and even fruit.

Time: 18th January 2014 10:54pm

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Krasch says...
Afternoon J,

Where did you get your Nam Doc?
I am having a hell of a time trying to source one of these - seed or tree, I don't care!

Cheers

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Time: 20th January 2014 3:25pm

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Markmelb says...
Krasch - you should find plenty of Nam Doc Fruit in Springvale shops - get one quite ripe not the green for salad - I got a Nam Doc Mai grafted plant from Daleys just before Xmas - Included some pics of
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Chantzis says...
I have a potted mango that I grew from a Kensigton Pride pip about 5 or 6 years ago. It was outside for about 4 years initially - how it survived winters, a small pot, and neglect from others failing to water it when I was away, I'll never know. Growth for the first few years was very slow, and it clearly suffered from cold temperatures. As it became more established, its growth appeared to accelerate. Twice it was re-potted and regularly mulched and composted. I moved it indoors to my parent's house when I was forced to leave my rental property last winter, and the warmer temperature over the cold months made a big difference. With good existing growth, frequent misting of the foliage (emulating a humid environment) and a northerly aspect in the living room, the tree seemed to grow exponentially. It flowered a couple of months later, forming hundreds of baby mangoes. They began to drop, until I feared it would lose them all, until it finally kept two. The tree was moved outside to a sunny protected position a couple of months later once overnight temperatures got up to a good temp (late December it must have been). They remained on the tree for abirger month or two (fruit were approximately 4 months on the tree) until I realised that despite still being green on the outside, they were in fact quite ripe. They were delicious! Deep golden yellow flesh, and a flavour very reminiscent of Kensington Pride fruit.
My uncle has an established Kensington Pride tree planted in front of a sheltered, northerly wall in Coburg. It must be ten years old or more - he gets dozens of amazing, huge fruit every year. I'm planning to plant my tree in the ground soon, although fear my position isn't as ideal as I'd like. I did find the tree to be a beautiful indoor plant (although it took up a lot of space in the end!) and now have two more year-old plants and several just sprouted pips coming up - I'm enjoying giving them away and giving people the same melbourne mango passion that has gripped me! Pictured: the tree a few days ago, in the spot it will be likely planted shortly. Note the huge banana tree back left!
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Markmelb says...
My first Grafted KP fruit fell into hand today - was starting to colour and felt a bit softer than the other 7 large ones hanging still - Its so cool getting a late crop when Mexican Artulfo are coming in to supply die hard Mango Lovers.
Note my first has a Nose - LOL

Chantzis -- can you put up some pics of your Uncles KP?
Edit - if you plant next to a large concrete driveway you will gain heat at night from it - ive seen a Mango down the road from me fruiting ok like this.
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Chantzis says...
Hi Markmelb - here are two shots of my uncle's tree, taken about 10 days ago. Closeups showing fruit - notice the strange one near the centre of frame, siamese twins. The fruit are on average larger than KPs that you find in store over summer in Melbourne.

The tree was bought as a KP and the fruit certainly have a similar flavour (although sweeter and fresher as you would expect of any home grown produce). The bed the tree is planted in is by a north-facing brick wall but also has some concrete and bluestone paving around it. There is a lot of thermal mass to hold heat. I'll get a photo showing the whole tree and its microclimate next time I'm there. The colour on the ripe fruit varies - some fruit are very ripe while still completely green on the outside, others take on a beautiful pink blush (often resembling badly sunburned human sun!) while still not being completely ripe.

My guess is that commercially transported mangoes are picked before they ripen, this may partially explain the difference in colour from tree-ripened fruit. I haven't been to NT or QLD and seen ripe fruit on the tree before.



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Markmelb says...
Chantzis - your Uncles has great colour already - tree ripened is definitely the best - some Artulfos from Mexico now in shops are blander compared to those locally grown up North called TP3 or something like that or dragons tooth because they are picked early for shipping here. Theres a Longan and a mango i also have seen growing thru a hole in concrete fruiting ok - so the thermal mass works for them.


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Linton says...
Are these flowers?

I've been growing a couple of cold hardy variety of mangos from seed and now they've got these things that look like flowers coming out of the top. Could you please advise if they are flowers or not and if they should be removed. These mango plants are almost exactly 2 years old since started from seed so it seems a bit fast for them to be flowering, what do you think? Thank you.
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denise1 says...
It does happen occasionally that they flower so young. Perhaps they are a polyembryonic variety and give you a dwarf tree. I would cut the flowers off as the plant is too young to carry fruit..

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Waterfall says...
Yes they are flowers, if you remove them too soon then it may just flower again in my experience.

Time: 9th November 2017 9:12am

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Fruitylicious1 says...
They looked like new shoots to me. The plants seems like trying to put up new multi branches at the apex of the trees. I might be wrong. In a few more days you will definitely know if they are indeed new growth or unexpected early christmas present for you in the form of flowers and later fruits if everything goes your way. If they turn out to be flowers it would be prudent to snip them of (i know its a bit painful)for them to gain more vegetative growth so they can better support their precious jewels later on. By the way are they Gomera-1 mangoes? Where did you procure them?
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Brain says...
looks like the beginning of flower spikes I'd keep them and see if you can get a fruit to set. It's nice to see a tiny mango and knowing what the future holds.

KPs are known to have mango flower from seed as early as 3 years. So it's possible.

so what seed (variety) did you grow?

Time: 9th November 2017 12:26pm

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Linton says...
Thanks for your comments. Waterfall is right about snipping them off too early as they just make new flowers again so I'll wait a bit longer.

They are the cold hardy Gomera Mangoes from the Canary Islands that I'm growing. The seeds were planted in October 2015 so its exactly 2 years since they first sprouted.Cheers!

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Gerry4 says...
Sorry for the bad quality photos. Small Mango tree at the Sri Shiva Vishnu Hindu temple in Carrum Downs, had a few small green mangoes on it, not sure what variety. This has motivated me to try :)
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Chantzis says...
Transplanted a 2 year old mango yesterday, grown from a pip from my uncle's large established KP. It was still in original soil and pot from planting (tiny amount of soil) and has three main trunks. I left all three (a fourth died off) as it has been an indoor plant and a beautiful one at that. Indoors in a larger pot now and might plant it outside in a year.
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Markmelb says...
Take another pic from front closer up - be careful or security could get you? Could be a Bowen but if you can also take pic of trunk to see if there's a graft somewhere - then it could be a Kensington Pride or another 5 different types - take shade away over summer too - ok in winter if there's any possible frost but at Carrum Downs not likely.

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Fruitylicious1 says...
Hi Gerry

Go for it as long as you cloister them from the cold winter wind and frost and from the sizzling hot summer sun like the pics you have uploaded you will experience success in Melbourne. Even better if you can situate the tree in a northerly aspect close to the house or similar structure for additional warmth.

Happy gardening :-)

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Gerry4 says...
Hey guys,

Thanks. Still new to this stuff. Points noted. Those trees I posted photo's of aren't mine, just my motivation :) Don't think the page is letting me view your photos mark?

Happy Gardening :)

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David01 says...
Hi Markmelb,
How many fruits does your KP produce yearly? Do you keep your KP pot under cover during winter?

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Markmelb says...
Its got 5 this year and is about average - sometimes more or less - its not frost protected at all anymore but sits by a tall double brick wall and get good wind protection too - is only in a 500mm pot - rootbound but still growing fine with good new growth half way down
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David01 says...
Hi Markmelb,
I would expect a16 year old KP will produce a couple of dozen fruits but not ave 5. Is that because of Melb weather or pot size or combination? How about your Avocado? Are they very productive? If they grow in ground and in larger pot?

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Markmelb says...
No - handles weather fine - only holds what it wants - it dropped 3 - dont really want to pot into 100lt bag as yet as is happy and fits into its spot fine.

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MelbFruit says...
I just purchased a young mango tree this Spring, with little hope of fruit. I let it flower because I didn't have the heart to chop it, and surprisingly I got a couple of fruit! I think I'll leave it on there until the end of Autumn or whenever it falls off. It's called Carabao, got it off of facebook. Was actually looking for a KP :l Also, anybody familiar with Pearl mangoes? I bought a tree, but debating whether it is worth keeping (Is the fruit any good? Does it grow in Melb weather?).
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MelbFruit says...
3 months later, my first Melbourne-grown mango!! This is such a surprise as I only bought the Carabao this year, and it is a relatively small plant. I have added a Vietnamese and a KP mango to my collection, so I can't wait to see how I go next year!
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