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Nick T starts with ...
Merry Christmas everyone! Hopefully santa brought you all plenty of fruit trees! :)

Time: 25th December 2012 8:50am

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Jantina says...
Merry Xmas to you too Nick and Gumnut and all the other forumites, may your New Year be fruitful!

Time: 25th December 2012 9:16am

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MaryT says...
Merry Christmas everyone! May all the trees that Santa brings be covered with fruit in the coming year! :)

Time: 25th December 2012 9:27am

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David says...
Merry hot Christmas from Brissie, hope you are all having a good time.

Time: 25th December 2012 3:04pm

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Mike says...
Merry xmas to you also David and Merry Christmas to all my other form chums as well.
I ate too many prawns,too much duck and way too much trifle I might have to veg out on the couch.

Time: 25th December 2012 4:16pm

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David says...
Trifle in Cairns i am impressed, good one Mike. Merry christmas to you especially Mary this year has been a tough one.

Time: 25th December 2012 4:53pm

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MaryT says...
Thanks David; no it's been challenging as always but not tough compared to some. I'm still here! Mike I envy the duck and trifle; yum. It's been rain rain raining here in Sydney and quite cool.

Time: 25th December 2012 6:56pm

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Mike says...
Mary Christmas.I am waiting for the rain still and my place is a dustbowl with little rain for 6 months.The humidity is stifling and temps are 24 to 33/34.The duck was great and so was my mother's trifle Mary.Take care and I hope the future is kind to you.

Time: 25th December 2012 7:14pm

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MaryT says...
Thanks Mike. I ate a HUGE (600g) Kensington Pride today (from Woolies @$2). Had to eat it in two sittings :) It was SWEET.

Time: 25th December 2012 8:11pm

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Mike says...
Mary yesterday was my fruit eating day and I had red panama passionfruit and yellow burmese grapes.I selected the best red passionfruit a year ago and my brother grew it and it produces madly.
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Time: 25th December 2012 8:32pm

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Mike says...
Sorry I meant to show the red flavicarpas.I also had a feed of grimal jaboticabas (Plinia spirito santensis) off my tree and they were good.
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Time: 25th December 2012 8:35pm

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MaryT says...
Lucky you Mike; everyday is Xmas at your place. :)

Time: 25th December 2012 8:45pm

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Mike says...
Not quite Mary but it is good to eat homegrown produce.It is not all high 5's and group hugs in the deep north.

Time: 25th December 2012 9:18pm

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BJ says...
Merry Xmas all. I had my first homegrown Mango Melon today and it was fantastic! Another exploded on the vine so the chooks had a very Merry Xmas also! Plenty of Mangoes, Panama Berries, Black Sapotes and Passionfruit also enlivened the spread.

Hope everyone had a fantastic day!

Time: 25th December 2012 10:21pm

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VF says...
Best wishes to all. Hope you all have had a lovely Christmas.

Great day yesterday - good company, good food, good wine and good weather. Recovery today will be enjoyed too - good rain presently, and a fridge full of leftovers (yay, no cooking). Just chilling....

Hope rain heads your way soon too Mike.

Time: 26th December 2012 6:50am

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amanda says...
Hoep everyone had a great day! We had a ripper and the best ham ever (locally grown)...going to pick our apricots today...they are delicious too! Great bunch of fruit there Mike..are the grimal jaboticabas?
They look amazing!

Time: 26th December 2012 11:20am

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Mike T says...
No Amanda they are yellow burmese grapes.The grimals are species M.spirito santensis or in the local language large leafed jaboticaba.The grimals are reddish black with light fuzz and look alot like big standard sabaras otherwise.

Time: 26th December 2012 11:31am

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ivepeters says...
Hope everyone got what they wanted yesterday.
BJ
how is your purple mangosteen going ?

Time: 26th December 2012 11:32am

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David says...
Merry Christmas BJ , yes how is the mangosteen going.

Time: 26th December 2012 12:19pm

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Jenny says...
Best Wishes to everyone! Lovely day to wind down in the garden after the festivities in Brissie today, drizzle & coolish, Happy Gardening for 2013!

Time: 26th December 2012 12:20pm

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David says...
Hi Jenny merry christmas to you and family .By the way did the black brazillian cherry seeds germinate ok or not, curious let me know

Time: 26th December 2012 12:41pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Best Wishes to you all.

I have just harvested some japoticabas from my tree and some of those is as big as a 50cents or 20 cents. I highly recommend everyone to have a jaboticaba tree in Melbourne. If you give your tree enough water and fertilizer you would have at least 2 crops of beautiful fruits per year in about 2 or 3 year time.


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Time: 26th December 2012 12:48pm

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VF says...
Wow Jujube, they sure are an impressive size! What a lovely treat for Christmas. Which variety are they (in picture they appear smooth)?

Time: 26th December 2012 2:14pm

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John Mc says...
wow, mine is more than 5 years old and over 2m tall and still no sign of any flowers or fruit.

Time: 26th December 2012 2:37pm

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amanda says...
Never heard of them Mike!? What are they like? (b/grapes)..yeah c'mon Jujube - please tell us how you tempted your jaboticaba into fruiting so soon..??!
(were they advanced trees or anything? how much food water and direct sunlight do your get? I am hoping mine make a move soon - they are old enuf now..)

Time: 26th December 2012 5:48pm

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Mike T says...
Welcome to the fruiting jaboticaba club jujube.It is great that tree still produced in a cooler climate.
Amanda,They are Baccaurea ramiflora the same genus as rambai and tampoi.Burmese grapes are called mafai in thailand.

Time: 26th December 2012 5:56pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi VF, Amanda, John, Mike and Jaboticaba tree owners.

I bought my seedling tree from Daleys and early stage of growing, I did nothing until one day I saw some flowers appeared on the tree but no fruit set (I gave it nothing at the time).

I decided to set up a water irrigation and gave it lots of organic Camellia fertilizer + potash in October and April, the tree then took off.

I often get very big fruits every year. Jab tree loves water so much, flowers are on my tree quite often but Melbourne weather is unpredictable so fruit set normally occurs only twice a year in December and March.

BTW, mine is a small type with no name. It has been in a bit of shady corner.

My neighbor 's tree bought at 1 m tall seedling, took 3 years to fruit. She gives her tree lots of water and Dynamic lifter and mulch well.

I think Potash would help if you have advanced trees in your case Amanda and John. Good luck.

Time: 26th December 2012 10:12pm

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BJ says...
ivepeters and david - the purple mangosteen is going alright. still growing, but has a bit of yellowing to new leaves. it looks a bit chlorotic or similar. Perhaps the trace sodium in the baby bath water is hurting it. i'll switch to tank only for a few months now. i'm hoping to push a fair bit of growth this summer if i can get the micronutrients right.

Jujube - my large leaf jaboticaba has recently started fruiting and is fantastic and large. i also have recently tasted white jaboticabas, which are even better than the black and red types when fully ripe. I've recently added seedlings of these and precocious hybrid jaboticabas to my backyard team as they are all so darn yummy!

May your jabs fruit well for many more years!

Time: 26th December 2012 10:42pm

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Jantina says...
BJ does the mango melon really taste a bit like mango?

Time: 26th December 2012 10:48pm

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Mike T says...
Jantina, they look like this and I have described the taste before.BJ may put a different spin on it.
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Time: 26th December 2012 10:53pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi BJ,

wow!, you are very lucky to have tasted the white jab. I hope one day to be able to have that variety in my yard too.

Totally agree with you about the yummy jab. It is one of my favorite fruit.

Good luck to yours.

Happy gardening.

Time: 26th December 2012 10:57pm

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Jantina says...
Thanks Mike but I don't recall reading your description. Could I please have a brief rerun of it?


Hi Lucy, always good to read your posts, I picture your backyard and the lovely visit we had.

Time: 26th December 2012 11:21pm

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Mike T says...
Jantina they are more like a honeydew in form and texture than rockmelon.The flavour is sweeter and more complex than honeydew however with other fruity overtones in nicely ripe ones.

Time: 26th December 2012 11:37pm

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Jantina says...
Thanks Mike , they sound yum. I've never seen the seed for sale do you know who carries them?

Time: 26th December 2012 11:45pm

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amanda says...
Ta Jujube - interesting info there - can I annoy you for the pH of the soil next to their roots (pretty please? :D ...I am still too nervous with my Jab's perhaps - although - they have had a big feed of pig poo which most of my plants love - except the Lychee also, strangely. They are doing fine and maybe I need to be more patient - it's only been in the last week or so that the Wampee's have finally shot away and the Kwai Muk is budding out...the weather is finally heating up so I guess they are enjoying this (even if I am not ;-)

When I planted my trees here they all got rock dust, dynamic lifter, pig poo and soil solver (kaolin clay) and a rotten-wood soil conditioner (or fine coir) - all worked into the soil/sandy loam before hand.

I am working on a good cross section of nice non-water repellant organic matter also...



Time: 27th December 2012 12:56am

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VF says...
Thanks Jujube (and Amanda) for sharing your secrets to success :) I've had mixed results with feeding Jabs, and shall now try your suggestions.

BJ, how exciting that more species are now in Oz - am pleased for you. Downside is, now I'd like some too, but where would I put them?????? (Just when I thought I'm reasonably satisfied with the mix I have. Hehehe.........)

Time: 27th December 2012 7:12am

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Mike says...
BJ I have one surviving red hybrid jab and one vexator jab.Luckily I have some sprouting seeds of M.trunciflora.If I count the arse-dragging trashy yellow that would be 3 species to join the 3 I have.Cambuca is really a jaboticaba as well so that is another.
Amanda burnt tips on leaves is common with jabs if there are chlorine excesses.

Time: 27th December 2012 7:43am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

I will get the PH kit out and test the soil of my tree later today and let you know.

I think you have done extremely well with your trees considering of being in the new place for less than a year. Keep on good work. You will have plenty of fruits very soon.

One more thing I would like to add is my jab tree has been planted in a higher end of a slightly sloping ground (20cm) and all grass clippings or falling leaves are going toward the tree.

I notice that Mike 's VERY PRODUCTIVE trees are in a much high ground, the same as the ones I have seen in QLD. Perhaps well drainage and acidic soil may be the key in growing these jab trees.

Hi Jantina
It was nice to meet you and welcome you in my garden a couple of years ago. The garden is much of a mess these days. I must work harder.

Time: 27th December 2012 8:02am

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amanda says...
Great - thanks Jujube :) Mike - trees doing much better down here now - only have rain and bore water (no scheme hooked up at all) and it's not salty (just a fair bit of iron)
You are spot on about the chlorine I reckon...I think this may be why so many of the plants are struggling in Perth?...they go just like mine did in the ground and on scheme in Gero...yellow leaves and burnt margins and tips..eventually they hardly grow at all (and the leaves get smaller) and then the leaves start to fall off....it's a long slow death.

I also agree with you about the form of nitrogen they get too. It was good to hear what jujube uses...I haven't seen organic camellia fertiliser b4 - so I must have a look - that was nice to know jujube :)

(ps - I have also grown a rampant watermelon vine to cover up the ground all underneath and around mine - for summer - a natural mulch which should help to keep the soil/root run cooler and provide humudity in our dry heatwaves I hope...)

Time: 27th December 2012 12:16pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

Sorry for the late reply. My PH soil near the roots of the jab tree is 5.6

I use
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$11.48

Take care and good luck.

Lucy.

Time: 29th December 2012 12:45pm

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amanda says...
Thanks heaps Jujube :) Nice pH for Jab's too. Going to check mine shortly - I wonder how long it takes the pH to stabilise for 'newly made' (or: homemade) loam/soil mixes..?

Time: 29th December 2012 5:52pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

I am not sure how long it takes, some experts out there will answer that question for you.

I would just collect some aging pine needles in your local area if you could find and spread a thick layer on top of the soil of the jab tree to lower PH if you have too. Organic matter or falling leaves will work too.




Time: 29th December 2012 9:08pm

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Linton says...
Hi Lucy

Can you telling me which type of Jaboticaba you are growing to get so much fruit?

I have several types, but I find the small leaf variety is the most vigorous for growing in dry sand and I can't give them any water or fertiliser like you suggest.

Time: 4th January 2013 10:07am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Linton,

My jab has no name so obviously it has been a seedling for many years. It is definitely a small leaf type. May I ask why can't you give yours any water or fertilizer ?

Time: 4th January 2013 4:20pm

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Linton says...
Hi Lucy

I must be living on an old sand hill as it's dry white sand which is very hard to wet and doesn't hold water.

It would take me a whole day to water every plant in the garden and by the next day it would be just as dry again so it's not practical to water them all. Have tried all kinds of mulches and wetting agents but still no solution.
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Linton,

I could feel for you having a hard life with those soil. Why don't you put your jab tree in pot. I saw a huge one in pot with lots of fruits in SA. My friend has a few varieties in small pots 20 litre and fruited every year.

Good luck.

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Julie says...
Linton, I'm surprised it's even alive! Have you ever added soil amendments - compost, soil improver etc?

Time: 5th January 2013 10:13pm

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Linton says...
I have 2 yellow ones which I intend to keep in pots. The ones in the ground I will leave there as they are slowly growing bigger.

I'm not sure if Jaboticabas are really suited to Melbourne's conditions because according to the Cape Tribulation tropical website, yes they do have high water requirement, and in cooler climates with light frosts the crops become reduced each year.

http://www.capetrib.com.au/jaboticaba.htm


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Linton says...
Red Jaboticaba Wanted!

Hi Lucy, thinking about your idea of growing Jaboticabas in pots, it seems that the red hybrid type would be more suitable for pots than the normal type owing to it's compact size. The fruit is supposed to be far superior as well.

This is some information I got from another site about Red Jaboticabas:

Here's the advantage..

Dwarf tree...8ft max

Thinner skin, less tanic, very palatable skin unlike the regular sabara

Bears much earlier at 3-5 yrs from seed as opposed to 6-12 for sabara.

Bears many more crops and is almost everbearing. sabara makes 5 crops approx red makes over 10 crops, 4 are heavy.

Easily kept in a pot for decades, as is sabara, but dwarf is better

Finally, the tree is very beautiful and more eye-catching than the regular with
fruits flowers or buds almost always present , unlike the much less actively
fruiting sabara

The problem now is where to get it. I wonder if anyone in Australia is already growing it so I could get some cuttings or seeds. Thanks.
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Time: 7th January 2013 2:05pm

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Mike says...
Linton, they are not officially here and mine is an unofficial specimen that fell into my possession.In the short term you may have to take comfort in sabara,grimal or the yellow.

Time: 7th January 2013 3:09pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Linton,

My friend in Melbourne does have jab trees in pots and he is doing very well. I heard about the red one and it is my dream to get one too.

Mike: you are just so lucky.

Time: 7th January 2013 4:19pm

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Mike says...
M.vexator and M.trunciflora are also the cream of the crop with cambuca the king of the group and really a giant fruiting orange jaboticaba.Luckily at least one specimen of each has come my way also.

Time: 7th January 2013 5:39pm

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VF says...
That's well done Mike! Good to see some new varieties just slipping in quietly... Customs relaxing these days?

Time: 7th January 2013 5:48pm

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Mike says...
Bite your tongue (fingers?) VF I would never put our native species at risk.I also would treat customs laws with all the respect and regard that that agency has shown me.

Time: 7th January 2013 6:17pm

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Time: 7th January 2013 6:33pm

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George Cortazzo says...
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Time: 28th November 2013 3:39pm

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