My Cherimoya (forum)

Wayne starts with ...
Has suddenly decided to fruit, all by itself.

I had been told that they need to be hand pollinated so I just left it alone to ponder it's future.

So now it's full on pollinating what flowers open each day and it's not that hard. I decided to use a cotton tip to do the job

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropical/msg0701052322783.html

Time: 6th November 2010 7:27am

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allybanana says...
Thats great Wayne what variety do you have, i hope it tastes great, did you notice any visitors to the flowers that might have been doing the job before you started helping.

Time: 6th November 2010 1:54pm

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Wayne says...
I have no idea what variety allybanana, a seedling from Bunnings by memory, and they never stipulate except to say it's a Cherimoya

The visitors could be ants, do you think they would do the job?

Time: 6th November 2010 6:41pm

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allybanana says...
I don

Time: 6th November 2010 10:52pm

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Jason says...
The natural pollinator for Cherimoya are little Beatles but we don't seem to have one that likes them here. I actually moved a little Cherimoya I've been meaning to move for many years today. Very stressing job for both me and the plant since been near some very large trees for lots of years and the ground was thick with large roots, that totally entangled the plant. I don't think I've ever had so much trouble moving a plant and it was only about 2 foot tall :) with a tap root about 2 foot deep also. But I ended up getting it out without to much damage and moved it to a spot I've been saving for it.

The reason I went to this effort is because it's the only Cherimoya I have that has some genetic ability hold it's growing tip year round in my climate. Every other Cherimoya I've ever had here drops it's growing tips in late April so the growing season is very short, so this one is special. I got it from some guy at a market in Northern NSW about 10 years ago :)

Time: 6th November 2010 11:07pm

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Wayne says...
I have at least 26 million ants in my yard and over the trees, from minutes to man eaters, and I use very little pesticide so they safe in numbers.

I don't know if my pollinating technique is working yet.

This tree is deciduous Jason and spends a couple of months a year naked.

Time: 7th November 2010 7:40am

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Jason says...
Yep all my trees drop the leaves where new branches are growing from but I believe in an ideal climate the growing tip on Cherimoya is supposed to stay intact and I only have the one tree that will do that here

Time: 7th November 2010 10:38pm

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Jason says...
My transplanted tree looks ok so far :). I'm feeling brave enough to move another one sometime in the next few days. One of the seedlings from this fruit in the picture.

There's a bit of a story about it. I got really sick during my Cherimoya hunting travels to Mexico and lost tons of weight which took years to recover from, I weighed just under 50 kilos here :S super skinny for someone that's 5 10 and was already thin at 65 kilos 5 months before this. (I was actually at my aunt in laws backyard because I needed to come back to Mexico city from the bush to get better :)) but most impressively this Cherimoya was over 2 kilos!. I had to leave Mexico city for the States to come home since I was half dead before it was ripe so I dug two seeds out of it and came home. Customs flogged all seeds I'd collected over the months at the airport despite being a legal import and labeled etc, they made me cry (and why I couldn't care less for customs dodgy rules to this day) but I had and exact copy of all my seeds still in Mexico and they made it through in the mail (got tested at customs in Sydney and certified as BLACK SAPOTE! (idiots). So I had ONE seed left from this fruit and that's the next tree I'll move (risky)

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Time: 8th November 2010 10:58am

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kert says...
Here's another Customs story (which isn't as flattering as those on TV)--I come back from Hungary with 2 kilos of goose down ;I figure it will be hard to get it past our ever-vigilant quarantine guys;so I check the box that says animal products-- but no one is interested and i am waived through. I mount my goat and head for town.(not really but it could be true)

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Wayne says...
Fantastic looking "BLACK SAPOTE" you have there Jason :-]

Time: 8th November 2010 12:38pm

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allybanana says...
That is so cool Jason (besides the fact you nearly died), you actually went on a cherimoya hunt in South America, were you looking for the holey grail of cool climate cherimoya?

What would happen if someone accidentally swallowed a seed, could it be possible that it could survive the journey?


Time: 10th November 2010 9:01pm

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amanda says...
Kert - I have to ask - what's the buzz with Hungarian goose down?
(as opposed to what you get here)
And - was it compressed like a coco-peat block or something? it would have filled lotsa suitcases otherwise hey ;-)

Time: 10th November 2010 9:24pm

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Jason says...
ally, well I was just in North America :0 in Mexico I didn't go to the South where Cherimoyas are really from. But there's lots of the in Mexico anyway. You can send Cherimoya seeds legally all you want, the problem was I didn't realise that the guys in the airport didn't play by the rules. But yes what I was trying to find was Cherimoyas growing at very high altitudes as far North latitude as I could find them. All the ones I got were inside the Valley of Mexico at 2000-2200 meters which is probably a very similar climate to your place actually, maybe a bit colder in Winter. I was going to accidentally eat quite a few Red Tuna (cactus fruit) which is super yummy but super illegal to import here because of the related prickly pear :! which isn't even much of a big deal anymore itself. Anyway because I had to go to the states first I wasn't able to do that. I would have gone back to Mexico already apart from White Sapotes being currently illegal to import :s and the likely chance I'd get kidnapped and or have my head chopped off if I went there at the moment. So I'm waiting for it to calm down over there or the States to find some excuse to invade it and make some kind of pseudo extension to their empire to find cheap labour to get them out of debt:). (which I will predict to happen next time the republicans are in power :) ) Then I will go there again.

I used to plant all of them at super young ages (just germinated) and had massive losses really, I have only 1 2 3 4, 4 trees left from at least 100 I germinated and the biggest of those one has been under constant and heavy root damage attack from bush rats for a few years and is going backwards. This is because I made an error one day and planted Jerusalem artichokes the favorite food of bush rats and have been having problems with them doing bad things to trees ever since.

Sean from Eastern Victoria actually went to legit Cherimoya land in Peru and Ecuador, and selected himself some seeds from elite fruit. I had seeds from him too but unfortunately I was so worried about finding the right time to grow them I left them too long before I tried to germinate them as I had no luck. But Sean himself still has a couple/few growing from his trip I think?

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allybanana says...
Speaking of starving fruit fanatics, is that fruitarian guy from the Daintree still around. I met him there about 1995 he was riding a bike along the Daintree road with a jackfruit on the back of his bike he stopped and had a chat to my girlfriend and I, as we were hitchhiking. He would have been about 19 years old, lucky to weigh 50 kg had fungus growing on his body. He only ate fruit and he didn

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allybanana says...
A gut full of white sapote seed could be a bit deadly couldnt it?

I can not help but wonder if the intact growing tips on your cherimoya you replanted may have something to do with the smothering by other trees protecting it from frost.

If you here from Sean and he is looking for a good home for a cold climate cherimoya, I am happy to help out.


Time: 10th November 2010 10:05pm

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Jason says...
hehe Ally I wasn't starving I was just full of stomach bugs from living in a mud brick village and drinking from a river that was full of.... stuff? some government guys came and stuck up skull and cross bones all along the river the day I left...... and gave me some pills and said take these right now!, I had no clue what the pills were so I gave them a miss. This was after I already drank from the river heaps, in any case my health went rapidly down hill about 5 hours later :P. It took me from then 2001 till last year to gain that 15 kilos back, I presumed I was full of parasites that whole time and I probably was but in the end I found a doctor that filled me full of drugs for a week and then on his half a suggestion I stopped eating gluten (seems I can't eat that any more, maybe I never could?) and now I'm good, getting fatter by the day :p

I've met quite a few raw foodists over the years but only a couple that are successful at it long term, Matt Monarch and Angela Stokes really were the only two that seemed to be getting it right and in person Angela especially just beams health out of her eyes like no one I've seen in person before, even more than they do on video, you just get the idea that's how everyone should be.

She's quite famous for loosing a huuuge amount of weight when she changed diet and she's stuck at it for years and years

http://gliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/angela-stokes-02.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HESWMoMNcRw&feature=&

Worth look at this video ^

Anyway it's very difficult to hold onto that diet in the modern world so both her and Matt (ended up a couple) and they live in a remote valley in Ecuador now, eating Cherimoyas and Babacos all day no doubt :P


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kert says...
I must say that when i hear about fruitarians or people who proudly proclaim to be"allergic to the 20th Century" or cannot eat gluten etc etc I think there is some need within us to self -flagellate vide monks ,Shiites beating themselves with chains ,Catholics recoiling from original sin. Try self -acceptance and console yourself with the fact that if you do not actively create harms you are well ahead of most.

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Interestingly new research seems to indicate that parasitic worms actually assist in the control of many diseases of the 21st century, MS, asthma, ulcerative colitis & Crohn's, multiple allergies - take a look at the link below if you have chronic immune related disorders

http://autoimmunetherapies.com/helminthic-therapy-worm-therapy-index.html

Time: 11th November 2010 11:36am

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kert says...
Geez, Phil. have you disabled your bullshit detector? does the website appear to be a dispassionate ,scientific appraisal?
There is a big leap from the observation that exposure to helminths and other extraneous antigens results in fewer auto immune dieases and the acceptance that "helminth therapy' is efficaceous. What i am saying is that proponents need to produce evidence in the usual manner viz peer-reviewed trials published in reputable journals- just because something is plausible does not mean it is so. Birds do not fly because they are lighter than air.

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Well you should listen to late night live sometime Kert, or download the programme from ABC radio - this guy got run out of the US as the drug companies were after his skin. People can only speak from personal experience. Working in the medical field myself, it is amazing how debilitating autoimmude disorders can be - if I had one it would be a small price to pay for a cure or remission of symptoms.

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amanda says...
Did you know that asthma and dermatitis are practically unheard of in 3rd world countries like India? I reckon that's interesting.
Anyway "Worms for Weight Loss" anyone?? I once heard a rumour that models deliberately not treat their pin worms to help keep thin...don't know if it's true...but I have not been able to look at a supermodel in quite the same way since then...eek.

Time: 11th November 2010 1:25pm

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Jason says...
Phil, because the weather here is either extremely bad or the sun is extremely burning most white people don't/can't get outside much. They've started testing everyone in the area for Vitamin D deficiency, not sure if this was an government idea or the local Doctors?. I didn't get tested myself but pretty much everyone I know did and they all came back under 25 points (the say you need 100+ with under 50 being no good). One friend of mine, she was 16 points, my wife was 19 points, few friends of ours were in the low 20s etc. I was reading up on it and a lot of the temperate latitude diseases seem to be related to this problem.

Anyway in between avoiding sunburn we are going outside more now :). I wear a jumper without a t-shirt to let the light in a bit without burning myself to death, that seems to work. Maybe more of us need to head up your way during Winter to get some of that mild Northern sunlight

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Jason says...
Amanda my wife is from Mexico and when she was a little girl and first got told she had chronic asthma her Doctor told her in these exact words "It's a rich girls disease" :P. Funny enough I haven't noticed her take a puffer since she's been on these vitamin D pills and laying out in the sun, normally she's sucking on it all day every day, she's actually taken up gardening when she's never had any interest in it at all before so that's good :).

The other day she was laying in my garden to get some sun and she said WOAH this has changed and I said, yeah that's what happens when you only see it once every 5 years, maybe now she will appreciate it :P

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes I've noticed in the elderly who don't get much sun that they suffer more from chronic disease and depression - 10 minutes a day is enough to avoid serious effects and boost your D levels.

Time: 11th November 2010 2:29pm

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snottiegobble says...
Jason, its a lot to do with "slip, slop, slap" Instead of getting 15 minutes of healthy Vit.D from the sun when ever pos.now they clog up their pores with all those so called protective creams that can actually cause cancer. It is also important to get sunlight ( not looking at the sun) to the back of your eyes regularly to prevent SADs. The further away from the equator the more susceptable you are unless you make an effort to get sunlight as often as pos. I Know Ive been there & it sucks!!

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kert says...
Jason et al . .. This will sound condescending but no matter; Do you realise how bad you sound talking (and here I assume) well outside your area of expertise ;Vit D measured in "points",people being "run out of town" by drug companies (persecutory delusions) I will not go on .
Would you really hold forth on cherimoya growing ,say, with so little background?

Time: 11th November 2010 3:06pm

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Alison says...
Human history seems to indicate that the closed mind has never taken us anywhere...

Time: 11th November 2010 3:31pm

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Jeff says...
Kert, you are really the centre of your own universe

Time: 11th November 2010 3:34pm

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kert says...
Human history ,Alison, seems to indicate there is "one born every minute".

Time: 11th November 2010 3:44pm

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Jake says...
We need an ioniser on this site to dispel all of Kert's negativity and have a useful discussion for a change.

Time: 11th November 2010 3:53pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Anyway, for those interested in listening to a fascinating interview called "A Hookworm Saved My LIfe" with Phillip Adams, you can hear it on

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2010/2883972.htm

Someone may find it useful.

Time: 11th November 2010 3:58pm

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kert says...
I can see from your reponse,Jake, that you for one, are imbued with a generosity of spirit that I can only hope to emulate. I am in awe of you.

Time: 11th November 2010 4:00pm

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Jake says...
Ah, see now at least you do have one friend...

Time: 11th November 2010 4:06pm

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amanda says...
"Trolling alert" on this thread guys... :)

Time: 11th November 2010 7:12pm

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allybanana says...
I agree with kert, keep the bullshit detector intact. Don

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Jason says...
Kert, I live in a world of almost constant table tennis tournaments so to me everything is measured in points :) I could probably speed in a car in points. I know you like to jump in with a hero sarcastic quote here and there but I'm used to it already, you'll have to try MUCH harder :), and while you are there you should probably also put your glasses on and actually read the posts then you will see I never said anything about any drug company running anyone out of town. I don't know your background but it's obviously limited and full of _toxins_ if you have to resort to useless attention grabbing remarks rather than being happy :D (relax a bit)

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amanda says...
Jason - don't let this guy troll you. It's a sad fact of life that some folk actually do this. I can't quite understand it myself but understand he is taking the piss.

Let it go - or have some of your own fun in return! :))

kert is, as always, trying to make a point that is usually nasty, depressing, sometimes funny, sometimes intelligent even, opinionated, usually politically incorrect, always erudite etc etc.

This forum is full of gardeners - a blissfully easy target audience for his antics. If he had anything worthwhile to say - why is bothering here??
He is a nutter IMHO. :)

And PS - I notice very prompt replies from people I have never seen on the forum b4? eg: Jake (?) and kert replying within minutes of each other??

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a says...
I am sorry if i am wreaking the fun of this thead even more than Amanda

Time: 11th November 2010 9:52pm

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amanda says...
allybanana? I was talking about kert mate - not u.
Also - I thought u were a girl for some reason, actually!? oops. :)

Time: 11th November 2010 10:16pm

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allybanana says...
whoops

Thats a very hetrosexist comment:)



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Dundee says...
Hey - maybe we should have a password-post - I was thinking "Kert Alert" ... it even rhymes.



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allybanana says...
You know adversity brings people closer togeather, standing up for a common value system, for instance look how many people came out of the woodwork to have a bash at kert. People who normaly wouldnt comment, drawn out to stand up for their values and probably for the exitment and a taste of blood. I hope now they feel more part of this cyber community and will comment more in the future and thank kert for the holisticly positive affect he has on bringing this cyber community togeather. I find it scary to post, I assume others do to.

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Dundee says...
yea - kert is the true messiah ally...

Time: 11th November 2010 10:56pm

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allybanana says...
Naw thats Glowinski

Time: 11th November 2010 11:03pm

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snottiegobble says...
Hey a, tell me its the snottygobble persoonas you are referring to ?

Time: 12th November 2010 2:16am

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allybanana says...
That

Time: 12th November 2010 8:19am

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kert says...
I've lots of time on my hands in my current job but even so I cannot respond to you all >Have you noticed the comparative mildness of my language compared with the foam -flecked invective that comes back? . aND THEN ,THIS IS THE GOOD PART You claim the high moral ground .
In point of fact, I bridle at the primive exposition of some but really don't care a lot if you choose to dose yourselves with worms. I'd get a good dinner party anecdote out of it ,anyway.

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Dundee says...
Hey - how is it that multiple members can have zero as their UserID?
Even when they have been on the forum for quite some time?


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allybanana says...
I am glad you are still with us kert, i wish i had skin that thick. By the way, it is a good article the phil posted and it mentioned medical studies were being conducted. Maby turn back the gain on the bullshit detector one notch but not to far. Everyone, I love a bit of a stir it makes things interesting, but please lets not make personal attacks as it takes the joy out of this great forum.

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kert says...
Not thick skin ,allybannanna but a clear understanding that the record speaks for itself. Your words condemn you.

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allybanana says...
If have have caused offence I apologise, that was not my intertion, I was just procrastinating from my own work and stirring the pot for entertainment.

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amanda says...
It might be best to leave that pot alone? :) Let's get back to gardening maybe. I too am curious allybanana about how these flowers pollinate.
I haven't spent much time observing my flowers - but I never seen my ants near them - which is interesting as they are not fussy, as a rule.
I am wondering if pollination is happening under the cover of darkness - but I love my sleep too much to go out with a torch to find out ;)
Spring brings a plethora of night time bugs (here at least).


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snottiegobble says...
Thanks for all that info Allybanana . its good to know some people really care about the much less known of the "bush tucker" plants. Next time I am down south & will check out the persoonas for fruit. My username actually evolved from the name of a nice shiraz that is produced locally. When I heard thata native plant had fruit that got its name from something so "off" I was hooked so just changed the spelling a little.
BTW Kert must be either a doctor or more likely a politician because his command of words would confuse most of us & thats the way pollies like it!

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allybanana says...
Dundee, I guess I am 0 because I have never registered, I have never come across a place to register either, I am not against the idea. When I have a working camera I would love to do a, my edibles page as well. I know on other forums you have to register before you can post. And on those forums you have moderators that give you a warning if your rude and then boot you out if you put newbies down. I figured Daleys fruit forum was just a bit more anarchist, "individual freedom, individual responsibility", I think this way it makes it easier for someone new just to post a quick inquiry on gardening without being bogged down in registation. I like it.


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Amanda, I should make it clear, Jason and others have extensive practical experience with cheromoya and observing their flowers. I only have book smarts on Them and experience in testing pollination systems. In fact i dont have a single cheromoya plant.

I just gave away my one potted cherimoya to my friend, as a tree for the new baby present. She got major custard apple cravings during pregnancy so I thought it appropriate.

I realise I overdid the tests needed to see if ants were a valuable pollinator. How about forget the bags, just put an ant barrier like Vaseline on the beginning of a few branches that don

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Hi allybanana, I am with you on the ants though - there is much more to learn about them? I don't think I would have got any white sapote without them. They also loved the lychee flowers - which are in my enclosed shade house. I now have a half doz lychees forming on my 1yr old plant :) It is only my tiny ants that do this job though.

If you logout in the REPLY to this forum and then re-log in with your email address etc - you will get an ID No. (Dundee was actually me ;) - I was curious as to how it all worked and was experimenting - the email I put in was a nonsense one!? weird) No moderator can have it's drawbacks..as you may have seen. I was just trying to avert an inevitable scene by posting a "trolling alert" - I (and maybe others?) have seen it too many times now and it always ends the same with a particular person... :(

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amanda says...
Hey Jason, with regard to the vit D deficiency - is your wife a vegetarian?

Time: 14th November 2010 12:38pm

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allybanana says...

Does this give me a number

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allybanana says...
whoopy i am real

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kert says...
I must apologise for my recent boorish behaviour.

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kert says...
Show yourself,whoever it is . Amanda.

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kert says...
Show yourself,whoever it is . Amanda.

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amanda says...
Jason, are you still there? also Phil - I love your pic of the mushrooms BTW. Are they living on the tree?

Time: 16th November 2010 10:22am

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allybanana says...
Amanda, the ants fascinate me they can be both pest and friend, some farming aphids, some defending the plant dispersing seed or pollinating, I had an inspirational lecturer at Wollongong Uni, Kris French, she was into the mutualistic (benefits each other) relationships between ants and plants. I did field work with her in the Royal National Park and after that I changed my major to include ecology. She was also very informative about how politics has shaped science. In her lectures she explained how competition in biology was also used to Justify competition in economics. Anyone wanting to study biological mutualistic relationships in the fifties sixties and seventies didn

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amanda says...
Ironic words Allybanana - I just watched David Suzuki give his "Legacy" speech on ABC today (Big Ideas?). It actually brought tears to my eyes, to be honest. He talked a lot about eco-nomics and eco-logy also.

Inspiring person, amazing speech. Would recommend it to anyone interested in the big picture - and yes - even ants are a part of this :)


PS - here is the link if anyone interested:

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2010/11/16/3066634.htm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes the mushrooms all sprang up from the bottom of the pot, not sure if they came out of the tree trunk through naturual decay. I don't know what species they are but they were nice while they lasted. Hoping for another show with the warm wet weather.
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Wayne says...
"but they were nice while they lasted"

To eat or look at Phil--- you are a gamer person than I if you did eat them

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Yes I enjoyed them purely for their decorative value!

Time: 3rd December 2010 7:06pm

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amanda says...
Well it's a really nice pic Phil! They are not harming your tree though are they?

Time: 3rd December 2010 7:30pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Thanks. They don't seem to be, the stump beneath was pretty much dead anyway.

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amanda says...
Ah - well watch out if there is any kind of blue staining from them Phil..they may be 'happy' mushies?? :)

If that tree is still alive and u want to keep it - maybe those mushies not too good perhaps? Up to u - but there is a great website where all these amazing people will help to ID it 4 u? I can give a link if u need.

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Sean says...
Hi guys
I did collect a lot of of Cherimoya seeds from around the Andes area but unfortunately where I live at the moment is just that bit too cold for them and I have had no success with the at all. My brother has got a few of them to grow well but mine seem to all get root rot every winter. I still have a few seeds but they are about 6 years old now and from what Jason said they are too old to germinate now. Bit of a pity but you cant win them all:(

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allybanana says...
Life is like that Sean, lucky you gave some to your brother. It realy emphasises the advantage of sharing rare plant finds. I would still be tempted to wrap the seeds in moist tissue for a few weeks in a rather vain hope they might sprout.

How is your brother going with them, does he treasure them more for having the only success of your pilgrimage and taunt you with it, when you visit him.



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allybanana says...
Sean if you dont want the old dry seeds i am happy to give germination a go I have read they can last a few years dry (not six though) i will happly send a self adressed padded envelope allydalton.sculpture@gmail.com Also what are the selections like you gave to your bro, they would be fruiting any year now. If they are a more cold tolerant strain i am sure there are many including mysealf who would love to try grafting them or growing some from seed. I can swap asimina seedlings they dont mind wet feet and cold.

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JohnMc1 says...
A few Annonas growing nicely.

5. African Pride (atemoya)
4. Fina de Jete (cherimoya)
3. Late Gold (atemoya)
2. Seedling Cherimoya fruiting for the first time.
1. Tropic Sun (atemoya)

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Mike Tr says...
They are looking good John.I hope you line them up and have an Annona pageant. Good cherimoya and good atemoya in a taste competition would be an eye opener. I wonder which would be the favourite.
I planted out some Annona seedlings lately that are doing alright.
2 varieties of bullocks heart-sarteneja and kimber
2 varieties of soursop-lisa and Tanzanian
3 ilama trees from seeds of 3 mixed varieties- red genova,green genova and rosie perez.
I gave away some morolo,A.spragei and other obscure species.

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JohnMc1 says...
Yes, also have a nice Forbidden Fruits cherimoya fruiting well but no pics. Mike, Did you send me some A. Diversifolia seed a couple of years ago? It's going great here, I've read some nice things about them.
I was wondering how that TS on Cherimoya rootstock is going? I kinda figured out they use Squamosa for the tropics and Cherimoya for everywhere else? My TS on Cherimoya is going gangbusters, a bit light on fruit but early times. Oh, A. Cacans is doing well, as well, the next few months is going to test their cold hardiness. Diversifolia, Cacans and a variety of Squamosa from Java are still in pots and may stay that way.


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Mike Tr says...
It is all coming back to me now John.Cacans are especially diversifolia are pretty tropical but are supposed to be great to eat.The giant sugar apple and giant soursop have aroused my curiosity on the Annona front lately. We have been at the shallow end of the gene pool in Australia with Annonas.

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JohnMc1 says...
I planted Sofia and White at the same time as above. Large trees, few flowers, no fruit.
I wonder if Diversifolia and Cacans will graft onto Cherimoya? I'll have plenty of scionwood of both next Autumn.

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Markmelb says...
Hi john -
I got a Daleys Sofia b4 xmas and as a tiny plant fresh from nursery produced about 4 flowers and put on 40cm growth in a couple branches - now put in a more protected spot as in a 430mm pot still - cooler winds making older leaves yellow off - was hoping was more precocious than your experience?
Love to hear from any other Sofia owners? Mark

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JohnMc1 says...
Bad light, this is my Sofia. didn't get around to pruning it last year, so it's a bit lanky.
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Markmelb says...
John - it looks ok - in spring will u cut back 1/3 and take off a few leaves on each branch end to encourage flowers?
My pinks and Paxtons Prolific seem hardier leaves than my sofia but I guess early day in acclimatising to Victoria

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JohnMc1 says...
When I prune Annona's, I cut back to within 200mm, 8 inches from the main scaffold branches. This African Pride might give you a better idea on pruning, has a stronger backbone.
All varieties lose their leaves briefly in spring.

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Markmelb says...
thanks for the tips - what age were yours when they held fruit? Have you tasted a sofia cherimoya yet?

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Only tried Forbidden Fruits variety, definitely worth growing is the only way I can describe the taste. I'll have some Fina de jete this year, there's a dozen fruit hanging on, but the White and Sofia have been disappointing, nothing, despite hand pollinating some of their rare flowers. I'll be giving them some potash late winter.

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allybanana says...
My sophie is blasting along about 90cm growth this year and still has vigerouse growth tips. I only managed to successfully hand pollinate one fruit this year and am waiting to taste my first cherimoya. This year i gave it heaps of sea weed and dinofert and then covered that with a thick layer of mulch. It gets good sun and lots of water.

The two forbidden fruit cherimoya i got in spring started slow but are now growing strong.

I also gave a Forbidden Fruit Cherimoya to a friend last spring who got three fruit set with no hand pollination and no other cherimoya around, the tree is about 60cm high. Because the tree is young he picked off two fruit and left one. This variety appears to be as great at setting fruit as Chester claims.

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Most of the Forbidden Fruits flowers were setting during the drought so only a few hung on, the tree should be loaded at this time of the year.
They self pollinate extremely well.
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allybanana says...
My two Forbidden fruits Cheimoya also set fruit without pollination in Eden. They started setting fruit December and are still setting fruits now. I have noticed that the stigma(female) is sill sticky when the pollen and anthers (male) fall. Some of the anthers stick to the stigma without any inerferance from me. Interestingly this does not happen on my Sophia Cherimoya that does not self pollinate on my property.

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peter30001 says...
same with me, i was happy to see 4 little fruits on my ff cheramoya
that have self polinated. it is in
a large pot so i am going to take it inside gfor the winter.

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Markmelb says...
Is the Forbidden Fruits Cherimoya grafted?
I guess it must be and how old is it now?
My Paxton has 2 selfies annd is only just finshed its 2nd summer.
The Sternus Giant Cherimoya seeds have germinated - 5 out of 10 seeds so hoping they progress well - would be interested in any FF bits when you prune as have a few Sophia seedlings to graft? Could swap some Paxton or Pinks in return?

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peter30001 says...
yes they are grafted.
mine are about 1 1/2 years.
i can send you some scion come
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JohnMc1 says...
I tried my hand at green grafting FF onto cherimoya this summer with very good results and the mature FF cherimoya tree is absolutely loaded this year.
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Markmelb says...
Both pics look great John - were all the FF self pollinated? Cant wait to give this a go come spring :)

Had a couple White Sapote successes with Chris on Wilson and Lemon Gold on Irving still to push but very alive.

Also Vista and Hawaii Supreme on seedlings and Suebelle and LG on an older HS not setting anything and a bit of Vista up high on an older seedling still to push but green.

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JohnMc1 says...
Yes, this variety is self pollinating and fruits over a long period. It is carrying fist size fruit down to still flowering.
You won't be disappointed with your White Sapotes, one of my favourite fruits.

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Markmelb says...
peter30001 adelaide

Getting in touch before you prune your FF Cherimoya - I havnt pruned my Paxton Prolific yet - mbarcus23 at gmail

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