Need some expertise on frowing mangoes from seeds (forum)

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Ok so just for fun i have successfully grown about 8 mango seedlings from 6 seeds. I removed the husk and just planted in soil. These are all the kensington varieties.

My first question would be will these eventually fruit in the future. According to the abc gardening website:

"Trees are generally sold as grafted saplings, although some cultivars, such as Nam Doc Mai and Kensington Pride, can be grown from seed sown after removing the flesh. Seeds are polyembryonic, meaning one seed can produce two to four seedlings. Pinch out the strongest seedlings and retain the smallest. This will produce the best fruit."

So i assume my seedlings would. But what about the second bit about keeping the smallest seedling. I thought the strongest would have a higher chance of producing.

Now some of my seeds have multiple plants coming out of them. How do i separate the seedlings.

Would someone also care to comment on this piece of imformation on Burkes backyard site:

"It is worth growing mangoes from seed as they produce up to eight shoots from each seed, only one of which is different from the parent tree. Remove this one
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Time: 28th January 2012 10:34am

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Brendan says...
Hi chillilover, they will all bear fruit IMHO!
They push grafted trees because they claim the 'rootstock' is stronger etc. Plus to make money.

Time: 28th January 2012 10:48am

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Danny says...
Grafted trees are more popular because they will bear fruit in one year and will always fruit true to type.

Time: 28th January 2012 12:20pm

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chillilover says...
In one year ? Hmmm.

Time: 28th January 2012 2:22pm

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David says...
Mangos come as monoembryonic seed varieties or polyembryonic seed varieties. Monoembryonic types produce one seedling per seed and they are not true to type, so they have to be grafted if you want that variety. Polyembryonic mangos may produce mostly clonal seedlings and also non clonal (generally 1). Typically the strongest seedling is retained as it is likely a clone and true to type. Most of the non-clones are either self polinated or an outcross and not usually more vigorous than the parent. Once the seedlings have produced a few leaves you can divide them up it you want and watch their progress if you want and maybe identify one which is different, which will probably be no good as mangos are very varied in their genetics and you'd have to be very lucky to find something worthwhile. The variation in the vigour of the seedlings which are clones also depends on the amount of the stored energy of the seed that an individual seedling is able to monopolise, so all the difference in vigour you see is not necessarily a genetic difference.
Seedling grown mangos are more vigorous in their early years than a grafted one, so in a cooler climate a seedling is good because the tree can establish itself to a descent size faster than a grafted tree. The benefit of a grafted tree is also that you know you wont be unlucky and get an off type. R2E2 has a reputation for producing a large percentage of off types, but KP are pretty consistent.

Time: 31st January 2012 2:22am

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chillilover says...
Hi David thanks for explaining this to me. I was about to pot them up today but was going to only keep the little one becuase one the sites i listed above said their good.

Anyhow i'll follow your suggestion.

Time: 31st January 2012 6:16am

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db says...
I have self-grown mango seedling tree which is almost 1.5 yrs old. I don't what variety but as I remember that mango was big, bit elongated (so I'm guessing it wasn't R2E2), very sweet n tasty, without any fibers. Anyway, tree is now 3 feet high, growing strong.. It was in same pot for more than a year since it started, then just few months back I put it in ground, but main tap root broke in half when I was removing it from pot (that root actually went in ground from pot holes, so i couldn't remove it properly) but survived and started growing fast. To make room for other plants n considering it will be a huge tree, I decided remove it from ground and put in bigger pot, roots again got damaged, but tree has survived very well n again growing fast.. I don't know if it is polyembryonic or not.. There are 2 main stems, one is bigger and 2nd is smaller but its not attached to main stem, looks like 2 stems came from that seed. Could it be from polyembryonic seed?

Considering it will grow in a pot and its seedling and roots got so much damaged, is it worth keeping it? Can mango seedling tree fruit in a pot?

Time: 21st February 2012 1:29pm

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Db says...
Anyone?

Time: 21st February 2012 8:06pm

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denise. says...
The govt research in Auckland used to have grafted mangos fruiting on small trees in pots the size of buckets.I have a seedling starting to fruit and it is only about 60cms high. It is in the ground. The rootzone is tight so similar to being in a container.It is by a north facing wall.

Time: 21st February 2012 8:47pm

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chillilover says...
Hang in there db. It will fruit. If not true to its parent but still a mango plant will bear mangoes. Lol me trying to convince myself.

Time: 21st February 2012 9:08pm

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Db says...
Ok then, I'll keep it n see when it starts flowering. I just checked it and it's actually 4.5ft high inc rootstock

Time: 21st February 2012 9:16pm

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BJ says...
Db, its likely gonna be huge by the time it fruits. If you've got the space, its worth growing a seedling or two from good fruit, as you shouldn't get a rubbish tree unless you grow seeds of a turpentine or other horrible mango. Do you remember what colour the fruit was? Green, green-yellow, green-red, red, or orange? if you have two seperate stems then you have two plants. You could get both to fruit, producing two different fruits from what will eventually look like the same tree.

Time: 21st February 2012 9:41pm

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db says...
Thanks BJ, I don't remember colour of the fruit, it was actually 2 yrs back, but it was not red and green, most probably it was yellow-orange.. If there are two stems coming out of single seed, then both should produce same type of fruit right? I'm not sure why u mentioned 'two different fruits'.. I'll take some photos tomorrow and post it here so that u can see what I mean..

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db says...
Attaching photo pf my self-grown mango seedling tree.. 2nd photo shows 2 stems coming out of the single seed, you can also see main root in the center..

BJ, are these 2 different plants or same? if they are 2 plants, then will have same type of fruits or can have different?

I don't think it grow huge being in a pot.. Anyway, pics here
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Time: 22nd February 2012 6:57am

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denise. says...
It looks as if the seed was planted the wrong way up and the root curled over. When sowing the root should point downwards, which means that if sown with husk still on then the hairy edge should face downwards. I always take the husk off to be sure of a proper development and to biff any seeds that arent healthy. You have some really healthy looking mango trees.

Time: 22nd February 2012 7:30am

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Db says...
Thanks Denise for the reply, I was also thinking same that seed was planted wrong way up when I saw that root for the first time, husk was not removed that time. But do u think these are 2 different plants being 2 stems from seed? Or it just one plant?

Time: 22nd February 2012 7:53am

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db says...
Anyone? Should I remove smaller stem or is it OK to keep both? (see pics above)

Time: 22nd February 2012 1:54pm

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BJ says...
Keep both. They are happy and healthy growing together. Plus it gives you the option of later grafting one of the sides over to a diferent variety, giving you a strong base for a second variety in the same spot.

Time: 23rd February 2012 10:55am

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db says...
Thanks BJ, I'll keep both then.. I'm not sure if I can do graft though, never tried it, it will be nice experiment :)

Time: 23rd February 2012 11:34am

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uncle kimo says...
I think the trees will be crowded eventually if left in the same pot. A tree from seedling will bear
in 5 to 7 years sometimes longer. A grafted tree will bear in 3 years. The first seedling is often zygotic which means it is fertilized sexually, and is not true to type. The later sprouting seedlings are usually nucellous which means they are asexual and is a clone of the mother plant. Where i come from the tastiest varieties are not true to type so you would want to graft or take the chance that 5-7 years down the road yu get a junk mango.

DB they are two seperate plants

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db says...
Uncle Kimo, thanks for replying.. I realized that when I put that mango plant in ground and again in pot later on, I saw it has only one main tap root, not two for 2 plants. Can they still be two different plants? If yes, does it mean smaller stem plant will be true to type and I should only graft on bigger one?

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uncle kimo says...
If it has one stem it is one plant, but how did it get two stems mango usually grows with one main stem unless it broke. I not to sure on potted mango trees but mango is a big tree so two in one pot will cause the more vigorous treeling to crowd out the smaller one. Grafting will make a smaller tree, not dwaft, but smaller. I graft always because i want to know what i getting and for the most part polyembryonic seeds come from the old varieties that are usually better green and pickled, not as good ripe.

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denise says...
Occasionly I get a mango seedling that divides into two at about the soil level.( not polyembryonic) Sometimes it is associated with a flattening of the stem just below the divide. I would be inclined to trim one off if it is exposed to gusts of wind that could cause problems later on as they graft together and are blown apart..

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db says...
Thanks Denise.. I also think that it is one plant only as I saw only one main tap root when I relocated it twice (unless 2nd root was hiding in the soil when I removed it).. Now a days sometimes I think I should just get rid of this tree and get some grafted variety to replace it if I need (thinking of Kawn)..

Time: 1st March 2012 2:25pm

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David says...
db, I think you can just treat it as one plant. Chances are that it is polyembryonic as the most common varieties here are polyembryonic. Both shoots are probably true to type, but its possible one is nuclear and is an off type. So you could keep both until it fruits just to be sure, or you could chop one off. You can leave it in the pot and keep potting it up if you want. I have one tree in a 300 litre potting bag. I think letting the tree branch low down is good as you can more easily prune it to have an open shape without it being overly tall. Mangoes do send a tap root down immediately when they grow, but even if kept in a pot which restricts its growth it will grow a new tap root when put in the ground.

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john says...
Polyembryology is actually the exception rather than the rule . Kensington P aka Bowen is poyembryonic but few others.Also you may have the wrong idea about "nucellar" as nucellar plants are a clone of the parent

Time: 2nd March 2012 9:03am

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Mike says...
Bowens are odd in that that are of subtropical Indian origin yet are polyembryonic like most of the the SE Asian more tropical types.Monoembryonics dominate in the US,handle cold better,are more turpsy and usually are more coloured.Some polys have only one dominant stem with the others hardly growing.
David I agree and you can prune any mango tree tobe under 2.5m if you have it from the start.

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David says...
KpP , R2E2, Honey Gold, , all Polys, probably 80% of mangoes sold in Australia

Time: 4th March 2012 1:57am

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Denise says...
The parts of a polyembryonic mango seed that come true to type of the tree they were picked from are nucellar according to my sources. Correct me if I am wrong.

Time: 4th March 2012 8:12am

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Mike says...
David polys are increasing their 'market share' everywhere even in India,the home of monos.

Time: 4th March 2012 9:26am

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john says...
I'm pretty sure R2E2 is mono.

Time: 4th March 2012 10:51am

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denise says...
I wondered about R2E2 too and looked a bit further on the various websites. one site said that it has at least one monoembryonic parent and itself is sometimes polyembryonic. All dozen or so R2E2 I have opened have been monos except for one slightly poly.

Time: 4th March 2012 2:09pm

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Mike says...
I thought R2E2 is poly bowen seedling from row R two down and row E two along of a bowen mango (KP) farm.This is in spite of having the colour,shape and poorer flavour of a mono.I don't know if polys can have mono offspring.

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Mike says...
I checked it out and indeed it is poly but with a small % of mono seeds.It is a 1982 progeny of kent rather than KP and was found in Bowen in row r2e2 of the mango farm.

Time: 4th March 2012 3:01pm

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David says...
I understand that R2E2 is a Kent progeny. Definitely polyembryonic, I have germinated lots of them. They have a reputation for throwing a lot of off type seedlings though, as well as the odd mono.
Yes I think polys are popular, maybe because we are seeing more south east asian varieties which is the traditional home of polys. The are 3 new Australian bred varieties which are about to be released to the commercial growers and do not have marketing names yet. These are 2 monos and one poly. These are hybrids of Florida Monos and KP.

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David says...
John, you are right, Nuclear are the clones, the non clonal seedling is the zygotic one ( an out cross or self pollinated).

Time: 4th March 2012 3:22pm

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Beth says...
I'm new to growing mangos. I have seedlings coming up. Most have one stem and a couple have two stems. The more I research the more confused I get...monos and polys, true-to-type, clones, nucellar, R2D2 (just kidding LOL). That's how crazy I'm getting.
I just want to keep it simple. I'm not interested in fast growth or fruiting quickly. I'm not in a hurry. Actually I just want to plant them in the ground when its time, protect them from bugs and elements, and let them grow and see what happens. The one-stemmed plants I assume I can just stick in the ground. But what do I do with the two-stemmed plants? Let it grow as it, or clip one of the stems, or does it matter? I have 13 little pots with a seed in each and plan to put in the ground in a 1/2 acre square lot to border the lot along three sides. Should I keep them all or prepare for separation anxiety with a few of them?
Expert advice needed please. Thank you all in advance for your help.

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Jenny says...
Hi Beth, in my extremely inexpert opinion it probably doesn't matter to the plant itself if you clip or separate or not, it's up to you and the visual effect you want. If only a couple of the trees you plant are twins it may look odd. Not knowing the variety of mango you planted, they are probably two separate seedlings. Maybe you could try carefully separating one of the pairs and see how you go. You may end up with a couple of bonus seedlings. The fruit you may get are a different issue, try reading this forum for more info on that! Hope this helps, others more knowledgeable may also offer an opinion.

As for my query, I also have a mango seedling (pictured) which I grew from an absolutely delicious Calypso mango at Christmas. I realise this will not likely be true to type but this is just for fun. I'm hoping someone out there can advise whether it's worth persisting as the leaves look so terrible and I am positive it's not my fault - there should be nothing wrong with the nutrition! It's in quality mix and I have given it all the usual good stuff - B&B, worm wee even extra trace elements about a month ago. A couple of the older leaves are normal and then the growth after that just went bad as you see. It's growing ok - there is new growth but it all seems to look like there's a deficiency. Or am I being impatient and it will come good?
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Db says...
Just an update regarding my seedling mango tree - yesterday I was surprised to see that my only 2 yr old self-grown SEEDLING mango tree is flowering (flowering bit late as compared to my other 2 grafted varieties which have already set tiny fruits) As I originally posted above in Feb this year, I'm growing it in pot and have not cared much, never fertilized, pot contains just garden soil and not any potting mix. Very happy to see flowers on such young seedling tree, sowtimes even grafted tree can take longer than 2 yrs i think. Hopefully it will set fruit in this season, now wait and watch game begins. I'll post photos once flower grows bigger in few weeks time.

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Mike says...
Db you are pushing back the frontiers and throwing down the gauntlet to what is commonly expected of mango seedlings.

Time: 4th October 2012 8:33am

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Db says...
Mike, I didn't know seedling can start flowering in 2yrs, I thought it will take ages as compared to grafted. Am I missing something?

Time: 4th October 2012 9:30am

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denise1 says...
The main reason for the mango seedling fruiting young, in my opinion is that it is in a pot. It is probably also in a hot place.

Time: 4th October 2012 10:30am

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Db says...
Denise1, you could be right, it is mainly in pot in last 2 yrs (it was in ground for only 2-3 months in late last year but I pulled it back and growing again in pot since then).. and yes it is getting full sun... Anyway, I'm happy to see flowers, hopefully it will set fruit too.. It will be interesting to see how it tastes, I still remember eating that mango from which I used seed for this seedling...

Time: 4th October 2012 10:45am

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denise1 says...
Fertile garden soils can be superior to potting mixes. I have seen it many times. Mangos respond well to it. Even a fertile well-draining clay will favour the mango. Another basic requirement is a dry hot time starting prior to flowering. If there is excess rain or humidity at that time, a good open space for air movement around the tree will allow drying out better and prevent settling of fungus etc. and high natural soil fertility helps. In NZ, I have seen trickle irrigation with good drainage bring great results , though other reports say not to .

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Mike says...
Maybe it is not due to the heat during Briz's winter that stimulated flowering.I have roasted seedlings in the tropical spring and summer without that response.It is genetically precocious but some environmental factor like being rootbound has stimulated even earlier flowering.High nutrient availability prior to flowering can actually promote vegetative growth.

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David_WM says...
As I understand it, winter chilling is a initiator of flowering, so I doubt that hot winters could cause it. I have a lot of seedlings at the moment that I planted at the end of summer in 2010. I did not expect it, but a lot of them are flowering now. I thought that it would be too young for seedlings to be flowering, but it is happening. I have both R2E2 and KP. We have had a fairly chilly winter with quite a few nights below 5 degrees. Daytime temperatures didn't get much above 20 degrees.

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denise1 says...
Thats how mangos are. After knowing heaps about them, they will surprise you and break all their rules. They can bring anything from dissappointment to delight and then surprise again. What is helpful in one case will hinder in another.

Time: 7th October 2012 1:20pm

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David says...
Hi Denise1, you are correct, once on a trip with the family up to Russell i observed a very healthy mango roughly 3m high under perspex at the mainland ferry port, did not observe any anthracnose on leaves either so the dry atmosphere was condusive to its success, you dont by any chance have any photos of mangoes flowering in NZ do you would love to see them as would other members.Thanks David

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Nitz99 says...
It's true, my grafted mango tree has a fruit after one year. Apparently, it's because the tree is taken/grafted from a already matured tree over 3 years.They are more expensive but it's worth it.

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Junem says...
Hi ..I need help w my 1 year old Bowen mango tree.it was doing well but this week all leaves dried and I'm not sure if it is dead..can I still revive? I had two trees bought from this site in similar condition. I'm devastated.

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Brain says...
Scratch the bark a little and if you see green, then yes still alive.

Was it too much fertiliser or too little water?

Anyway, if the die back isnt too severe, you can hope for node breaks and with a bit of tlc, the tree might recover. Good luck.




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Applesky says...
I need help plsssss. My mango seed is sprouting 5 seedlings. Is it safe to separate them individually? Or clip 4 stems? When is the best time to do this?(gulp)
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denise1 says...
What you have is polyembryonic seedlings. They are mostly clones of the parent plant and give an identical fruit. Sometimes one will be just a pollenated seedling which will be a bit different and potentially unreliable. There is conflicting advise on wether the untrue pollenated one is the biggest or the smallest shoot. I guess it depends on the variety. Just chuck away the one smallest or the one biggest.

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denise1 says...
What you have is polyembryonic seedlings. They are mostly clones of the parent plant and give an identical fruit. Sometimes one will be just a pollenated seedling which will be a bit different and potentially unreliable. There is conflicting advise on wether the untrue pollenated one is the biggest or the smallest shoot. I guess it depends on the variety. Just chuck away the one smallest or the one biggest.

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Westy says...
Hello Fellow Mango Growers,
So I planted a polyembryonic mango seed a year ago and now have 3 healthy trees growing from the 1 seed. I put the entire seed (with the 3 seedlings all attached) in a pot. I'm now wondering if I made a mistake here by not separating the 3 seedlings when they were smaller. My biggest tree is nearly a food tall. I now want to separate the 3 trees and transplant them into their own (larger) pots. Is it possible to separate them now that they have been growing together for over a year? I have no idea what the root systems look like and how intertwined everything is. Also, is there a specific time of year that I should transplant them? I live about an hour south of Sydney.
Thanks in advance for your help!! :)

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Markmelb says...
Do it now and they will settle in before it gets cooler - they seperate like a puzzle - take your time and you will see as you go and pot individually into a deep and narrow pot - good luck - do you know what variety you planted?

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Brain says...
As long as they are well hydrated and not exposed to full sun after the operation, you have a good chance, even if you break a bit of roots.

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honda says...
well this summer i had a go at planting a few varieties of mangoes kp 98% success
calypso failed,re2 failed.but i have grown over 2 dozen k/prides just remember whilst it is hot plenty of sun and water.

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honda says...
Westy
I planted mine in September as quick as i could eat the fruit,removing the bean from the husk.it was several weeks before i seen results i used quality seed raising mix in 6 inch pots and like you a majority had multiple plants from the one seed was produced.approximately a week ago i divide them into individual pots and all are good,they were probably not advanced as yours,i think i would do it now early autumn still warm.
good luck.

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farmer says...
What other plant can i graft a mango plant with? I have a mango plant as a rootstock what othe plant can u put on it? Can I get a list please...I jus Wana be creative because I already have to many mango trees.

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MIke T1 says...
Only other Mangifera and perhaps Bouea.

Time: 12th April 2015 12:01am

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genipapo says...
Hi Mike
Have you received the soursop seeds I sent you abt 3 mos back ? Is the picture you use in the forum a vegetable, Coccinia indica ? Does it reproduce from seed? The broad leaf papayas are 1 1/2 meter tall but not flowered yet.
Carlos Peres da Costa

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MIke T1 says...
Carlos they have just been received now thank you and were packed with the precision of a surgeon.
The last parcel to you was returned.Keledang,pedalai and giant Matisia are coming your way next week amigo.
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genipapo says...
Too bad the parcel was returned. You must have paid a lot sending 500g across the Globe. How can I compensate ?
Mike: did you know that in Goa, India there is a mango variety called Fernandina that you can roast the seed and eat it ?

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MIke T1 says...
Carlos it doesn't count if you didn't receive it.I did not know about that mango.

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Yoda on DMT says...
I take it mine didn't get there either. I have not heard anything from you Carlos and I have not had either package returned. This time I'm going to send you pictures of the receipt. In fact I might start doing this for every intl parcel I send.

I'll try again. Third time's the charm apparently.

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JohnMc1 says...
Hi Carlos, I took it that you didn't received my package either, it was quite a while ago, and I didn't receive a package as well. Your PO needs a bomb under it........ can I say that?

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Yoda on DMT says...
John check your inbox on TFF.

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MIke T1 says...
Carlos yes the vine is more commonly called ivy gourd and it has no seeds.It is cooked and reduces to slime like Okinawa spinach and Malabar spinach.

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genipapo says...
John
Brazilian Post Offices are a serious problem. I bought a book on the Mango last december and asked them to airmail it to me. Can you believe it has not been delivered yet ? Imagine what it would be for us in Brazil without internet ! I thought you received the envelope I mailed to you more than 4 mos back. Should I try again ???

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Yoda on DMT says...
Carlos, I am starling. I am going to try again to send you some things. I am out almost 100 AUD in packages sent and I have not heard word from you or Australia post. I received one package from you which I believe is the first you sent but nothing beyond that.

This time, I am going to send you the receipt.

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JohnMc1 says...
No that's OK Carlos, it's really a hit and miss exercise, hopefully you received my package?

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Ricanstruction says...
My aunt blessed me with a incomparably delicious mango straight from her tree in Puerto Rico and even if just for the memory I planted the seed. I didn't think I could even hope for fruit but after reading this forum Im excited to know it's possible. After looking at many pictures though, I'm a little concerned she may be behind in what her growth progression should be. It's been about 2 1/2 years and I've never seen any of the fuzzy flowering stems develop and the trunk seems much smaller in girth to many of the pictures here. She's in maybe a 5 or 7 gallon pot and has never been exposed to cold. She summers outside in the sun and winters in my warm sunroom. I fertilize about once a month. Any suggestions/advice? Reassurance??? :)
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ivepeters says...
Looks good, about right for the age.
Shouldn't have anything else growing in pot though.

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Db says...
Hi all mango experts,

It has been now 5 yrs since I posted on this forum. My mango tree is still in pot (please see my posts above on this thread on 22nd Feb 2012). I'm planning to transfer it to ground very soon.

Luckily my mango tree is fruiting since last 4 yrs. It is definately 'true to type', I still remember the taste of mango that I ate in 2010 and used that seed to grow this tree. Being in pot I'm not getting many mangoes, just 2 or 3 each season but they are HUGE. Fruit was 1.1KG when it fruited for the first time. This season I already got one fruit (size is 790gms this time as you can see in attached photo) and one more is still on tree.

I need your expertise in identifying this mango type as I have grown it from seed and don't know type. Taste is amazing, fruits is very large as you can see in photo. Fruit has got very firm flesh. It looks like R2E2 but I don't think its R2E2, normally I don't like R2E2 as taste is normally mild to my liking but fruits from my tree has got strong flavour and very sweet like KP but firm flesh even when fully ripe. Seed size is VERY SMALL and VERY THIN. It's vertical seed. I can attach photo of seed that I got last year if it can help you identifying the type, please let me know. As you can see in photo outside fruit colour is yellow with orange blush (sometime red blush but little).

Can anyone identify this mango type please? Thanks in advance :)
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Brain says...
My guess - Honey Gold, which is half KP, half unknown. The colour looks right also.

Impressed that you have one fruiting from seed, in a pot and in such short periods.

Pls take a pic of the tree in pot and share your tips, so I can take some notes! :)

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Db says...
Thanks Brain, I thought Honey Gold mango is small size like 300gm.. I have yet to eat HG but I have seen them in Woolworths few times and they were small.. Have you seen large size Honey Gold like 1kg? Which varieties (other than R2E2) in Australia give such large fruit?

My mango tree in pot is not in so good condition now as its putting all its energy in fruiting, leaves are bit yellowish.. In early 2016 I had to prune its main branch as it was growing bit weird due to weight of mangos it was carrying, it has come back well now.. Now I'm thinking to transfer it to ground but worrying it will grow very big as it is seedling and I don't have that kind of space, not even for any dwarf variety :( I didn't take any care of this tree in pot as it was never needed.. My grafted variety purchased from Daleys has died in pot.. Roots of this seedling keep going in soil but I keep cutting.. Pot is half filled with soil from my garden, may be that's helping it to survive, don't know.. I'll take photo tomorrow during day time..

Below is photo of the flesh of above mango.. It was so yummy (much better than KP/bowen) that now I have already planted this seed today, one more tree to grow in pot if it germinates :)


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Db says...
Also, forgot to mention that this tree in pot is definately of Polyembryonic type. Yesterday I opened the outer shell of seed, removed inside seed and noticed there were 4-5 seperate segments attached together instead of just one so I'm expecting multiple plants now, I'll see in couple of weeks..

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Brain says...
Actually I have tasted Honey Golds (HGs) as big as R2E2s. The Longan farm near Redcliffe, also grows HGs. My trip there last year, I was able to pick up some big ones. In fact they were all pretty big and some were bigger than R2E2s. And dare I say, a lot tastier.

The farm's HG tree were pruned to about 3 to 4m. So it can be maintained to a 'small' size. Though I think you are right, they could grow upwards of 10m tall.

when HGs first came out, I didn't rate it much. However, the farm ones were super sweet. I think ripening in the tree definitely helps - rather than pick green and then being degreened for sale in supermarkets.

I believe Keitt (American type) is also fairly large but they have a lot more red colour.



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Db says...
Thanks Brain..

I bought few HG from market to taste and flavour was nowhere close to my mango above.. Those HG tasted more like Bowen mango to me.. Mine has intense mango flavour, very smooth flesh, have dark orange colour flesh rather than yellow compared to HG.. Anyway, need to try out more HG.. I would love to try out Longan farm near Redcliffe that you mentioned.. I couldn't find it online, can you please let me know it's address? thanks..

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Brain says...
The longan farm is at
Address: Raynbird Rd & Roberts Rd, Narangba QLD 4504

they have a facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/thelonganfarm/

in fact I just log in and had a look, they had a few Honey Gold pics in their page, well worth a look. There is a pic of 2 happy kids holding Honey Golds. This is how I remembered them, intensely orange - only when very ripe.

I'm still convinced yours look very much like honey gold. However, you may have an even better strain, considering growing from seed. In which case, all the better.



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Liza says...
These are my two Year old Honey Golds growing in pots.
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Db says...
Thanks a lot Brain, I'll visit them one day for sure..

I'm all set in mind to plant my potted tree in ground now considering its awesome quality... i have only one suitable space and thats corner of my land.. i have read mango roots are not that destructive.. is it ok to plant mango tree 10ft away from the corner of the house and in corner of the land? There is no house at the back of my house and there will not any house in future as well behind where I'm thinking to plant this tree. Also there is a roughly 12ft walkway in between my house and neighbours house on the side where mango tree will be planted so hopefuly no issues for neighbour. Does anyone see any issue in putting this large mango tree in ground in this scenario? Thanks

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Brain says...
sorry, don't really have experience in planting onto the ground to comment. However, if you wouldn't mind humouring a suggestion. Have you thought of grafting onto other mango rootstocks/seedlings. That way, you have multiples of the same tree and still be able to keep them all in multiple pots?

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Db says...
Yes I'm already going to try grafting on my potted Kwan mango tree I purchased from Daleys.. I couldnt do it till now because its not in good shape at the moment, growing only on one side of the trunk.. will surely graft in coming spring..

Seed from my above mango is already germinated now so yeah and its polyembryonic so going to be true to type.. i noticed multiple tap roots coming out of the seed.. now seed is planted in the pot..

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eokg says...
Hi Mango Experts,

Can someone please identify my mango tree that was planted from a seed about 2-3 years ago?

Thank you in advance.
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Mango Mike says...
Looks like a Kensington Pride or relation of that variety..... Mike

Time: 30th January 2018 5:23pm

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Fruitylicious1 says...
Hi eokg

Can you please tell us if your mango seeds are monoembryonic or polyembryonic. At least we can eliminate almost half of the varieties by doing so. It's easy to tell. If you remove the husk, monos are single seeds while polys are segmented.

I have downloaded a picture of both mono and poly mango seeds. Left is mono and right is poly for easy I.D.

Can you please also describe to us in your own words the ripe skin color of your mango including average size and weight and where did you get your seeds. If its supermarket bought then there will be only few candidates left. There are hundreds of mango varieties so any information from you will greatly help us to identify your unnamed mango tree. It might be even a hybrid. My first suspicion is a KP aka 'Bowen' or its derivatives.

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eokg says...
Hi Fruitylicious1,

Thank you for your advice.

Wife was given a mango by a friend 3 years ago and she liked the mango and planted it from its seed. The origin of the mango is unknown (whether grown by the friend or bought from the supermarket).

The seed looked monoembryonic when the husk was prised open.

The unripen mango skin is kind of slight reddish green and then turns yellowish orange when ripe.

The average size of mango is like one man sized hand (not as large as those R2E2).

I tasted a small portion of a good part of a fallen off mango that went rotten and it tasted sweet.

I will try to upload more pictures later.

Many thanks once again.

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Fruitylicious1 says...
Hi Eokg

The mango that comes closest to your description of color and seed characteristic is the Calypso (B74) mango.
First of all its monoembryonic as you described the seeds when you opened it up. I went to the supermarket and personally had a good look at all the mangoes there.

The color matched your narrative; yellow-orange skin and about medium size and with yellow orange flesh. Though Kengsington Pride has almost the same color but, its a polyembryonic so it failed in that regard.

So your tree is not true to type its not a Calypso anymore because it came from a fertilized mono seed but, it is safe to say that it retained at least 50% each of the characteristics of its parents.

You can even name your new mango variety and apply for a PBR for it. Who knows it may even become the next big thing in mangoes like the 'Honey Gold' the new darling of ripe Australian mangoes after the Bowen mango.

As Always....Happy Gardening :-)

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Romana says...
My mango is approx.5 months old. It has 3 &quote;e;e;trees&quote;e;e; growing; the smallest is maybe 1 month old. Does anyone knows why first two are not very &quote;e;e;high&quote;e;e; grown comparing to third the youngest one?
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greeneyes54 says...
I am growing two shoots from a Champagne mango 9Honey, etc.) I accidentally broke off one other shoot.
I expect one will be a clone, one will be a fertilized 'off' tree.
The only way to know is to hope they both
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Farouk says...
I grew 2 mangos from seed, 1 Pearl & 1 honey gold mango from seed in Summer 2017, I planted both of them in ground spring 2018, both flowering right now just under 2 years from seed can't believe it, I might leave 1 mango on each to taste if I can get them to pollinate. Although I've had interesting things from seed flower early such as my pink flower Macadamia 5 year old seedling flowered this year, 5 year old jabuticaba seedling flowered prolifically, seedling chestnut flowered from 6 months!

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