Olive trees (forum)

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I am trying to decide which of the two olive trees to purchase, Olive Frantoio or Olive Europea. I am finding it difficult to get comparison information so far.

Time: 3rd June 2009 11:12pm

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Jimmy says...
Olea europe is the botanic name

NOT A VARIETY !!

Any way, Kalamata (gratfed) is the best.

Time: 4th June 2009 10:22am

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Speedy says...
Olea europea 'Frantoio'( also known as 'Paragon' I believe) is a popular oil variety.
Doesn't mean to say it cant be used as eating olive, but 'Kalamata' is known as a good table olive if you're after them for eating.
Olive trees can be cutting grown or grafted.

I prefer small cutting grown trees in large tubes/small pots.
Better price and establish better root system than from large plant,
also no need to worry about removing rootstock shoots.

My suggestion to you would be to do web search for cultivar(s) best suited to your climate,
intended use (oil, table or dual purpose) and go from there.
There are lots available.

Time: 4th June 2009 12:30pm

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Jimmy says...
All the books say "kalamata" needs grafting.

Not sure why.

Time: 4th June 2009 5:51pm

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Speedy says...
Hmm, I might have to look into that.
maybe it's a backwards way of saying they dont grow true from seed.
...Or that they've always been grafted over seedlings (or wild trees) since ancient times.

These days most olives are struck as cuttings under intermitent mist with bottom heat and hormone (IBA 2000-3000ppm) dip.

one 'traditional' method for olive cuttings is to use quite large cuttings 2-3yr old wood 2-3cm dia x 30cm long.
Leaves removed , and stored in moist sawdust for a month or so before spring planting into nursery.
Some cultivars of olives are known to be harder to grow from cuttings than other more reliable ones.

maybe 'Kalamata' resisted all traditional attempts at cuttings and so became known to be only produced by grafting.

I'll still check it out though.

Time: 6th June 2009 9:38pm

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stef heinze says...
G'day Speedy, can you yell me if there is any difference between grafted and cutting-grown varieties in time taken to fruit?

Time: 6th June 2009 10:35pm

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Speedy says...
Dont know for sure,
but as both are grown from mature growth, ie. as opposed to Juvenile growth, I cant imagine there'd be much diference.
Although, if you grafted onto a large or mature rootstock,
the tree would bear bigger crops than a cutting grown at the same time because
of the bigger root system pushing the growth.

So, cutting vs. grafted of same size from a pot or bag ...
probably no diference in time to fruit.

Time: 8th June 2009 11:45pm

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Speedy says...
Jimmy,
I did find in a book today that, as you said, "Kalamata' are hard to propagate and have to be grafted."

I have a tree labelled 'Kalamata' and I'm sure it's a cutting grown plant.
It must actually be another variety.

I have seedlings 2yr old now so i'll have to find a confirmed 'Kalamata' tree and get some scion wood to graft.

Time: 10th June 2009 11:55pm

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mike says...
You can grow Kalamatas from cuttings but the success rate is very low,that is why commercial growers prefer grafting.Cheers Mike

Time: 16th June 2009 10:45pm

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Speedy says...
Thanks mike,
that makes more sense to me than just being impossible to grow from cuttings.
I'll just have to wait for it to fruit to tell for sure if it's 'kalamata' or 'jumbo kalamata'

Time: 20th June 2009 1:46pm

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mandy says...
I live in Melbourne, can anyone tell the best time to graft olive tree.

Time: 6th November 2009 9:54pm

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Peter says...
The best time to graft in Melbourne is mid November till jan. good luck

Time: 28th December 2009 7:26am

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mandy says...
Thank you Peter for the olive information

Time: 14th January 2010 9:01pm

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lillyadams790 says...
I think serving olives as an appetizer for your family dinner adds such a nice touch. A friend of mine suggested that I check out http://www.lindsayolives.com They offer a huge selection of many olives and also they suggest so many great recipes.

Time: 30th October 2010 12:54am

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Julie says...
Is this an ad? Sounds like it.

Time: 30th October 2010 9:03pm

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John Mc says...
Yes they only sell the fruit, no trees. The main/whole purpose of this forum is to grow our own.

Time: 30th October 2010 9:58pm

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