Ono and Banana Ken Mango (forum)

M Nash starts with ...
Can anyone tell me about these varieties?
I found a grafted Dwarf Ono and a Banana Ken (Also grafted) My research only finds that the Ono exists. Nothing on the Banana Ken.
I'm wondering how the flavour is rated, Disease resistance etc.
Cheers

Time: 13th June 2010 1:49pm

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trikus says...
Maybe its a banana mango grafted onto Kensington rootstock .

I found the flavour of banana mangos excellent.

Time: 19th June 2010 6:42am

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M Nash says...
Thanks,
Only text I can find on the Ono Is from tropical fruit world, Ono:Small, egg shaped fruit, red skin, heavy cropper, mid season.
The banana Ken (Sic) Is an early season.
So im happy so far. Now to find an ultimate late with a good flavour.
Both are grafted onto Bowen rootstock

Time: 19th June 2010 7:24pm

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lorraine says...
about the 2mangoes listed above
you can buy them both at wandilla garden centre
811 welshpool road wattle grove w.a. ph.08-94539779 open 7 days
the stock has just arrived there .
i have no other information on these ,
as i have just gone on the internet to search info on them but found nothing yet . i'am going to speak to the owner tomorrow ,then i will put info on this site

Time: 20th June 2010 3:31pm

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M Nash says...
Thanks for that Lorraine, That will be great to find out a bit about what I have. Surely The producer would have some detail?
Were the ones you saw in orange plastic pots?

Time: 20th June 2010 5:25pm

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lorraine says...
information on Banana Ken mango.
origan seedling selection near Maroochydore in QLD Dwarf regular bearing in second year from planting . small seed 180 -280 g
banana shape fruit
mostly yello with pink / red blush on fruit
expose to full sun .strong mango flavour , the very best edible banana mango soitable to cool subtropical climate. fruit maturity after Bowen mango

Time: 12th July 2010 1:27pm

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lorraine says...
ONO MANGO,
origin Florida,
semi dwarf , regular bearing 1-2 years.
late maturing , small seed, red colured friut. strong mango flavour.
self pollinating. anthracnose resistant

Time: 12th July 2010 1:31pm

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lorraine says...
sorry about wrong spelling on last information of banana mango ,
yello instead of yellow , also soitable instead of suitable

Time: 12th July 2010 1:38pm

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lorraine says...
yes Nash .
i brought mine in western australia

Time: 12th July 2010 1:40pm

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M Nash says...
Dont know why I didnt catch this reply Lorraine. Thank you for the information.
I should get some fruit next summer as mine are growing quite well. How are yours going?

Time: 9th November 2011 4:26pm

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VF says...
Just bought a Dwarf Banana Mango (Mitre 10 Beaudesert). Descriptions above sound good, does anyone have a fruiting tree? Any pictures? I think this is the only source I could find any info.

Time: 27th November 2013 3:09pm

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Brain says...
hey VF, thanks for the update, looks like I'm going to have to go shopping soon! Did they have many in stock? and any other varieties?

Time: 27th November 2013 3:48pm

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VF says...
Brain, there were 4 left I think. Only other varieties were KP, Palmer (advanced and small pots), and Sensation (small). The Bananas are advanced size, $38.99. Happy shopping! :)



Time: 27th November 2013 4:16pm

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gimme says...
I have some information from birdwood nursery;

Banana Ken (dwarf, small banana shaped fruit, strong mango flavour, the best edible banana mango suited to cool sub tropical climates), Ono (semi dwarf, small seed, red coloured small fruit strong mango flavour) and Osteen ( semi dwarf, low fibre fruit suitable to eat with a spoon, it has a small seed).

Haven't heard anything about disease resistance

Time: 27th November 2013 9:16pm

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VF says...
Thanks Gimme. Now to wait a couple of years and see if it lives up to the description.

Time: 29th November 2013 6:45am

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M Nash says...
Mine are going well. First fruit set that look like they will stick this season. Not a lot mind you but I dont think we are in a heavey mango season.
From memory it was last year all the mangoes around the area went ape. Next year should be a good one for these two mangoes

Nash

Time: 29th November 2013 5:48pm

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Brain says...
So it was a nice sunday arvo drive, and 50 clicks later, fate decided it was not meant to be. M10 Shop closed (by 12 noon)! LOL.


Time: 2nd December 2013 2:12pm

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VF says...
Thanks M Nash, hope you update us about any ripe fruit. Any pic's?

Sorry about your fruitless trip Brain :( If you really want one and it's too tricky to get there, I could help you out if you like?

Time: 4th December 2013 10:36am

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Brain says...
hey VF, thanks for the offer. I am in 2 minds about it, as I do want the dwarf banana mango but don't want to put too much impose on your goodwill.

If you do go to Beaudesert regularly, then sure, otherwise if you have to make a special trip, then I wouldn't feel right to put you through the troubles.

Time: 4th December 2013 2:03pm

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David says...
As always there is an alternative ,Brain don't know where you are in Brissie but Turners nursery at 8mile plains currently have dwarf Bannana mangoes for sale.Cant remember the cost but .

Time: 4th December 2013 5:25pm

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gimme says...
Last time I looked we had NDM, banana ken, osteen, Ono, Irwin, Palmer, sensation, ataulfo and of course Bowen, florigon, r2e2, keow savoey, keitt. No Glenn or Tommy Atkins at the moment.

Expect to pay $40 or more for grafted mango as a lot of them are bought in



Time: 4th December 2013 11:10pm

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Brain says...
hey David, VF, Gimme, my thanks for the help and info. I will give Turners a visit this weekend then :).

(I've also got the email address copied, so that can be removed).

now it's decisions, decisions. lol.

Time: 5th December 2013 11:31am

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VF says...
Brain, I'll be back there next Wednesday, so not a problem. Let me know by then.

Gimme might be able to confirm what varieties are at Turners.

Time: 5th December 2013 10:09pm

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VF says...
Eeek, I removed email addy and the posts have moved around :P

Nice choices Gimme, now I'm wondering if I could possibly squeeze one more tree in.... Good luck Brain! (Offer holds if needed)

Time: 5th December 2013 10:19pm

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David says...
Whats that VF room for one more, sounds like a line from Oliver (MORE).HaHa

Time: 5th December 2013 11:22pm

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VF says...
David, Mango's waaay better than gruel... :)

Time: 6th December 2013 7:53am

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David says...
Love the comebacks ,off to work have a good day VF.

Time: 6th December 2013 8:21am

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Brain says...
I have the same dilemma, I want more! lol.

I think I will settle for Ataulfo instead of ono. But the Rosigold (decendent of ono) sounds interesting ... google wiki.





Time: 6th December 2013 11:20am

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BJ says...
yes, Rosigold is supposed to be the earliest mango and quite good. I hope we do get a few of the new American types.

Time: 6th December 2013 11:39am

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Brain says...
Success! Got myself a Banana Ken and Ataulfo! I picked a very good specimen of the banana ken and the ataulfo was a bit 'skinny' but otherwise ok.

Had to think very hard and to steer myself away from the ono and osteen though.

So thank you for the info and help everyone.

As for Rosigold, BJ, we are counting on you :)lol.

Time: 9th December 2013 11:55am

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MNash1 says...
Hey! great stuff.
At the end of the day, Most Mango tastes good and you just "Love the one your with"

Time: 9th December 2013 7:05pm

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MNash1 says...
Why is there a 1 after my name?
Can a moderator please faaark it off.
There is only one of me,,, Mick Nash.
Not Mick Nash and then Mick Nash1 :)

Time: 9th December 2013 7:10pm

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Brendan says...
Hi MNash, when I had the same problem (someone added a 6 after my name), I logged out of Daleys, ran a program called CCleaner (from ccleaner.com).
After that, I logged in to Daleys with my 'old' email address, and all fixed!
Give it a go.
Don't forget, CCleaner wipes out some log-in info, just re-type it in.

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Brain says...
yes MNash, you can have more provided each of the mangos don't know about the other. :)



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VF says...
Good score Brain. I couldn't find Ataulfo in my searches, so I got Osteen which I'm still pleased about. But I'm embarrassed to say, I got a little carried away and bought a Sensation too :P Oh well, at least they're supposed to be attractive.lol

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Brain says...
don't worry VF, I have the same problem. In fact, i have most of the birdwood dwarf range and then some more. At one stage, I was determined to 'collect' them all until I ran out of room. lol.

Anyway, Sensation grows well and seems quite hardy. In fact, it's the only mango with a (single) fruit this year. Not sure about the taste though.

If you are really keen, I would recommend to keep an eye out for Mackay KP and King Thai - which the fruit is reported to be awesome. (and I think BJ really likes the Alison Red KP though).

If you want the Ataulfo, I can pick one up for you :). What I really want is the Alphonso but reportedly, they are cousins, so that will do.

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BJ says...
Daley's currently have Ataulfo on pre-purchase.

Yes, I do like the ARKP. It seems to be a bit hit by mildew in the panicles, but is still holding enough fruit for a good feast despite the stems looking ordinary. Fruit is still very pretty.

My King Thai is a fairly shy bearer. Its pretty vigrous and I dont think it is really a dwarf. I had one really good branch that set heavily and was holding lots of fruit (which I was going to thin at half size), but a bat landed on the branch and the whole thing snapped off. It had double the amount of fruit on it as had the rest of the tree... :(

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sternus1 says...
Very seriously considering pre-ordering an ataulfo, has to be one of the best out there.

Time: 11th December 2013 11:55am

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Brain says...
As Nike would say 'Just do it!' LOL. How can one resists the 'Honey Mango'.

and sorry to hear about your lost of fruit on the king thai. At the very least, take comfort at the fact that mine has not put on any new growth, let alone any flowers or fruit.

As for the others, the great possum one had a good feast on the flower spikes.

Time: 11th December 2013 12:18pm

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VF says...
Hey Brain, thanks for offer but now I know where to get them, I'll pick up one. Hope your one Sensation fruit makes it. :)
I have an ARKP courtesy of BJ (many thanks. No fruit this season, rains a week too late), and KT thanks to David's tip-off last season. (Got to love the helpful folk on this forum!) My KT has odd behaviour this year; had a couple of growth spurts when other mangoes were flowering, but is literally flowering now very late and seems to have several green nubs developing. Hoping I'll have some nice late mangoes . (Have a single Kwan and some NDM that are about egg size now too.)
Sorry to hear about your tree BJ.

Time: 13th December 2013 10:37pm

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Brain says...
yes, i too am grateful for the shopping tips.

Anyway, slightly off topic. I found this site selling Falan mango - I am very tempted to visit them and just to get the seeds and grow my own Falan. According to DPI, they are poly.

http://www.charliesfruitmarket.com.au/all-products/falan-mango-sweet/

They are in Everton, Brisbane.

Of course, I rather buy the tree for 'instant' success. :)

Time: 16th December 2013 11:33am

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BJ says...
Brain,
I have a spare Falan if you want it.
You should also know that they are also known as the 'Thunder mango' because they can split if left on the tree ripe during a storm. I am trying to graft a bit of it onto my KT, but you are welcome to it after that. The goal is to have Kwan and Falan both grafted onto the KT by mid summer

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Markmelb says...
Hi - can anybody help with the cold hardiness of the Palmer Dwarf as Masters in Melb are selling these and Osteen which is a bigger plant and both are Birdwoods with quite high grafts - both i found come from Florida but even there has decent climate changes from North to South so cant find the area they originate from? Theres a Mango in Springvale that has a few fruit on it (not sure of type but could be a Bowen seedling) that is in ground with concrete all around it that I think acts as a huge heat sink - a longan and Guava not far away in similar planting - look forward to replies

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Linton says...
Hi Mark
I don't think the Mangos that Masters are selling are any more cold hardy than any other varieties.

Bunning's and Gardenworld also stock a range of Mangos every Summer but I have bought other plants from them that didn't survive the winter so it doesn't mean they are cold hardy just because the nurseries here are selling them.

I have often wondered what variety is the Mango tree in Heatherton Road opposite Waltzing Matilda Hotel as it is the only one around here that I have ever see with fruit, could be you're right about the concrete around it.

I thought about getting some of the grafted Mangos from Police Road but they don't state which variety they are growing. I only know that they seem to survive in pots in that nursery all year round. Cheers!

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Brain says...
hey BJ, I will take up your offer but i will pay you some money for the falan tree, as I probably wouldn't have something that you don't have, lol. So let me know when your grafts are done :).

As for cold weather growing, according to Wiki, Palmer is originated from Miami (fairly south) and Osteen is from Brevard County/Merritt island Florida (mid). Both are reported to be from Haden mango - which was introduced and grown on south florida when mango was introduced to the US. So I dare say both are fairly tropical. But if I had to pick one, I'd experiment with Osteen.

I have read on here that some members had some success growing KP in melb.

if you grow it in pot and move it indoors during the coldest days in the melb winter, it can work also.





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BJ says...
The Californians have recently developed a range of much more cold hardy mangoes. So maybe within a decade mangoes will be a common feature in Melbourne...

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sternus1 says...
How well do mangoes actually grow in pots? They have an enormous root system...is it worth it in terms of fruit production?

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Markmelb says...
I had a KP grafted in a 400mm pot for a few years after buying when I moved planted in ground nd took off well - I had agi pipes a meter away for drainage and it grew well for a few years and produced a normal sized mango but seemed to deteriorate so I put in a 500mm pot and had another mango 2 years ago (well i think I did well for Melbourne)anyway fruit all fell last year but upon investigation my Agi pipes were blocked with clay so i used a drain snake to get it running again and the Bacon near it on the improve again - yes Linton thats the mango ive seen too but could be a Bowen seedling.
Maybe that concrete everywhere principle works for police rd as its covered in it and my back yard is same so it does work like a heat sink - Im waiting for a Nam Doc Mai at moment - would love to find a spot in ground for it - eg I had a temp difference of minus 2.5 on my car out front but my Avocado area was plus 1.5c with the double brick wall behind it - what I need to do is maintain my drainage from garden - thanks for everyones input - will put some pics up soon of the Palmer mango and how my Lamb Hass in ground is going on my Markmelb area - also the biggest Lamb Hass is 28mm x 23mm at present with 20 Avos on 2mt plant in 430mm pot - going much better thn my year older Bacon with only about 4 growing set Avos - will update later - nice Sub Trop weather for next 4 days

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Brain says...
surprisingly, mango does well in pots, KP does especially very well in pots. Mine are all grown in pots and I've seen pictures where 6 yr old KP flowered and fruited in your standard 10cm black pots.

They do have a tap root and can be trim/broken off without too much harm to the tree and the rest of the roots are the fiberous types, which causes no problem in pots.

The only catch is, you can't let the potting mix go too dry for too long. KP seems to be able to tolerate the dry a bit better and thus copes better but definitely consistant (deep) watering (and let it dry a little bit - you don't want root rot) is needed to simulate natural growing conditions.

As for productivity, it's never as good as in the ground. But a 2mx1m tall tree (Mackay KP) in a 40cm size pot produced about 5 mangos in one season, they were on the smaller size but perhaps I should have done some thinning. I suspect once I got the tree to fan out to a nice hedge/dome shape, it would produce more.

all in all, I just want a handful of my own mangos a year and not having to worry about begging ppl to take bags and bags of backyard mangos. It fits in with the latest motto, 'do more for less'. LOL.

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Linton says...
Could BJ please tell me if it's possible to get seeds of the cold hardy mangoes from California mentioned above.

Do you know who is the grower - it would be great to be able to grow them down here. Thanks.

Time: 29th December 2013 8:13pm

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Jason says...
From what I've read about the natural range in India there should be Mangos in the wild that can grow in Melbourne like conditions. Only a matter of going up the mountain to get seed.

Time: 29th December 2013 9:06pm

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Ross Boulton says...
Ono is originally from Hawaii, introduced to Florida

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