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I purchased and planted a black passionfruit plant way back in September 2005. The vines now creep onto a trellis measuring 5metres x 2.5metres. It seems quite healthy as the vines have almost covered the entire trellis and the base is approx 6cm in diameter thick. I have been watering twice a week (within water restriction guidelines) and fertilising with cow manure every 3 months. To date, I have only seen TWO passionfruit, and they fell off last year before they got to the size of golf balls. I approached a local nursery and they reckoned that I need to feed it iron sulphate, which I did (only once). I was hoping to get more fruit but having just two in 3 years makes me wonder if I should pull it out. Please tell me if I am doing something wrong. I was told by friends to be patient, but 3 years???

Time: 17th May 2008 2:54pm

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Anonymous says...
You needed iron cilates, but that was not the problem. Pot ash may have helped with the flowering and or buring a sheeps liver. I think you have a plant with a virus in it. These only have 5 years on them so start again. Change the soil first.


Time: 18th May 2008 9:29am

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Dekka says...
Henry, aside from your couple of fruit, does it produce many flowers? If not, then my guess would be that an over supply of Nitrogen is promoting the abundance of leaves (which your vine clearly has) over flower production. You only need Iron if the new leaves begin to turn yellow between the leaf veins. Potash at the end of winter should work but I would definitely lay off the Nitrogen and you'll probably get a bumper crop.

Time: 18th May 2008 11:06am

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Correy says...
Hi Dekka I am in the same boat.

I have two passionfruits one black grafted and another is the panama red grafted.

the panama grafted one gets amazing crops and the black one flowers profusely but never sets fruit.

I am thinking that it is that the plant is rejecting it's own pollen or something because I have tried hand pollinating as well.

I did fertilize it with dynamic lifter which has nitrogen so maybe that was a bad thing. Then again I did it to both.

Time: 18th May 2008 3:14pm

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peter says...
same thing with my nellie kelly black passionfruit.
plenty of flowers but no fruit,
not even with hand pollination.
what is happening now is that the bits that are supposed to have the pollen on them dont have any, they are dry a
bit shinny and smooth.
the panama gold along side it develops
dry powdery pollen throughout the day
that you can wipe off with a brush.


Time: 18th May 2008 4:28pm

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Dekka says...
The most common reasons for passionfruit vines having an abundance of flowers but no fruit are:-
1. Lack of pollinators, i.e, bees.
2. Temperatures too hot or cold during flowering.
3. Long periods of overcast weather during flowering
4. Lack of Boron.

One other reason for a lack of fruit on grafted vines can sometimes be that the vigorous rootstock has sprouted and outgrown the scion without the grower realising.

Time: 18th May 2008 6:54pm

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peter says...
the rootstock has not sprouted on mine.
and there is still the lack of pollen
problem i have seen.

Time: 18th May 2008 9:15pm

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Dekka says...
I did some looking around the net last night and unfortunately the general vibe is that sometimes (and quite mysteriously) passionfruit just won't satifactorily produce fruit. Don Burke's site suggests that you ignore the offending vine and plant a new one as they are only good for 3 to 5 years at most; being careful not to over water.
Another interesting tidbit is that some passionfruit vines will often develop little spots and lumps on the foliage which can appear to be disease. It is, however, a deterent to Heliconine butterflies that lay eggs singly on the plant. When the butterfly sees the spots it apparently assumes that the vine is already covered in eggs and moves elsewhere.

Time: 19th May 2008 11:30am

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Henry says...
Yes, my black passionfruit vine does have lots of flowers, but then the flowers drop off. Dekka recommends potash at the end of winter while anonymous suggest I start all over again. The flowers are so close that if anything, they would have been pollinated. Lots of bees around too. I have been fertilising with bagged cow manure, but to no avail. Doesn't my pic show a healthy passionfruit vine? Help!!!!!!
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Time: 19th May 2008 1:57pm

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aNON says...
Too much nitrogen can be the reason thus extra potash would be good to balance out especially when such luxourious growth.

I like dolomite when a plant has mysetry non fruiting as well.

Time: 19th May 2008 3:23pm

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Andy says...
I have a similar problem with my grafted, black passionfruit. New growth is green but fades to yellowish in a few weeks (see image). It rarely produces flowers and definitely no fruit. It gets plenty of sun and watered regularly (twice a week).I have tried slow-release fertiliser and well as trace elements over the past few months, all to no avail.
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Time: 19th May 2008 7:07pm

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benny says...
have same ploblem not much happening on the fruit side tried it all / /?

Time: 28th October 2008 7:01pm

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James says...
Andy, it is clear from the photo that your rootstock has taken over from the scion, as the Nelly Kelly passionfruit leaf is oval in shape... with the rootstock variety having a trifoliate or palmate shape. It is really important to keep an eye on the plant during the early stages, knocking off all shoots coming from the rootstock, because it will happen without you realising it. If you want fruit you are going to have start again I'm afraid

Time: 13th December 2008 3:18pm

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manda says...
My panama red came with leaves like the ones in Andy's pic... does this mean that the root stock has taken over on mine as well?

Time: 13th December 2008 5:49pm

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Jantina says...
James, my black passionfruit (ungrafted) has leaves on it like Andy has and it also has produced lovely black passionfruit on that growth. Rootstock does have trifoliate leaves, but so does banana passionfruit and my black one certainly has. I think if you look very closely you will see that although they are all trifoliate they are all a bit different. Perhaps the oval leaves are immature because my black one had oval leaves when younger. I might of course be completely wrong but I do have all three and went out to check them before writing this.

Time: 13th December 2008 6:12pm

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Anonymous says...
My Nelly Kelly has trifoliate leaves and they're from the section above the graft point.

Mind you I'm ticked off with mine because it isn't growing so I've put a seedling in a couple of metres away. The Nelly is on notice now- there's only one trellis and it's Who dares Wins...........

Time: 15th December 2008 1:59pm

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Sharon says...
Hi
My Nelly Kelly has tons of fruit , but they turn yellow when they get to about half size. I,ve tried everything I can think off to remedy this problem.They are both grafted plants and we made sure there were no shoots from the root stock remaining as it grew. Has the root stock still taken over? or am I missing something?The plants are 2 years old.

Time: 30th December 2008 8:47pm

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peter says...
are they supposed to be a nelly kelly
black passionfruit or are they perhaps
a nelly kelly panama gold which are yellow.
the root stock would not have taken
over if you have been removing all shoots growing out from below the graft.

Time: 30th December 2008 9:29pm

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Vicki says...
Mine is a Nelly Kelly grafted black passionfruit. The flowers dropped off without fertilizing. I hand fertilized and now have many fruit. The fruit drops off and doesnt seem to be turning purple. If I open the dropped off fruit it is good inside with passionfruit pulp just not as sweet as when they turn black. It is crazy. I think these grafted varieties are not all they are cracked up to be.

Time: 25th January 2009 11:25am

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peter says...
is your trunk below the graft a
purply colour.

Time: 25th January 2009 4:05pm

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Vicki says...
Sort of :)))

Time: 25th January 2009 4:42pm

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Sharon says...
No they were suppose to be Nelly Kelly Black.I`ve opened one and they are red inside and don`t taste like a passion fruit but are sweet.Not very nice all the same and not a lot of pulp. They fall off the vine as they yellow.They have had plenty of water so its not that.I planted two vines at the same time and they are both the same.

Thank you

Time: 25th January 2009 8:22pm

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peter says...
sharon,
can you post a picture of the
leaves and branches.

are your branches a purply colour?

the fruit from the grafting stock that
nelly kelly usually use has bright red
pulp and purple trunks and branches.

Time: 25th January 2009 9:07pm

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Vicki says...
I think my nelly kelly has been mislabelled. I cant find a picture on the internet of nelly kelly pananma gold so cant tell. I found one fruit on the ground quite yellow and it tasted fine. Still they are dropping before they turn a true yellow. I dont mind as long as I know what is happening. The vine is healthy. Just dont self fertilise and dont stay long enough to go yellow. An unruly child to say the least.

Time: 26th January 2009 9:52am

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Dave & Bez says...
Similar situation hereto, Year 1 .. Grafted Black produced 12 fruit Panama Red zero.
Year 2 .. Both Flowered but no fruit.
Year 3 .. G Blk flowers but no fruit.
P Red 2 doz fruit but green skin and bitter taste.
Year 4 .. G Blk plenty flowers but no fruit. P Red 3 doz fruit(photo 31/1/09) green skin white pithy inside & sour taste.
only half dozen bees on the job.
Avg Rainfall 60 mm per mth .. cow manure & plant food twice / yr.
Looks like we shall dig up and try again!


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Time: 1st February 2009 8:54am

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Jantina says...
Personally I have given up on grafted passionfruit ,I think they are way over rated and once the rootstock gets a foothold you can be pulling it up for a year. Now I just grow ungrafted black passionfruit and find it much hardier, gives me good fruit and doesn't have a rootstock that wants to take over the world. You can either buy an ungrafted one (but Nelly Kelly tends to rule at nurseries) or grow one yourself from seed (easy).

Time: 1st February 2009 9:17am

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allan says...
Vicki, Nelly Kelly passion fruit nurseries are located in Dingley Melbourne suburb. They have grafted the Panama red and yellow onto a f root stock. It is sold thru Bunnings as Nelly Kelly Passion fruit - Panama Red or Gold or the Grafted black (their original) So a Nelly Kelly these days do not automatically mean a black passion fruit. They have grafted the Panama type 15 yrs ago.

Time: 1st February 2009 11:00pm

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Joop. says...
My garden is a large balcony(64sqm) and I have 2 Passion fruit plants(grafted)
1 Nelly Kelly-Black
1 Red Passion fruit
They are in pots and I water frequently and fertilize every fortnight,this is the second year now and I haven't seen a flower yet.They get plenty of sun so that can't the problem but get a fair bit of wind.What do I do wrong?
I do appreciate advise.Thanks.

Time: 2nd February 2009 10:17am

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Tak says...
I also am growing 2 Nellie Kelly passionfruit (Black and Gold grafted)

Have not fertilised, apart from some mushroom compost.

I've yet to see a flower after about 15 months. Getting frustrated with these plants and want to rip them out!

Does anyone know if this is normal, or what I should be doing?

Time: 2nd February 2009 10:23am

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peter says...
somebody with one of these panama
red or yellow grafted plants should
take a cutting of the top part and
see if that goes any better.



Time: 2nd February 2009 5:47pm

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Andy says...
To Vicki
Like yours, all the fruit on my mislabeled passionfruit fell to the ground as they started to turn yellowish. I left them in the kitchen and they all turned deep red within a day or two. Tasted great, very sweet, but not much pulp. My mislabeled passionfruit is probably a Panama Red. Still a bit of a mystery why they all fell off, but the fruit tasted great.

Time: 2nd February 2009 8:55pm

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Joop. says...
I read somewhere that if you give Passion fruit to much nitrogen they will not set fruit but won't they flower either?
I have been fertilizing every fortnight with Aquasol whose NPK is 23-4-18
Any comments?
Joop.

Time: 4th February 2009 10:23pm

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Margaret says...
margaret say's Sharon and peter mine is the same. Green fruit then changes to yellow then orange and when you brake open the skin is soft like manderine white color and the pulp is red. The trunk and branches are purple.

Are they safe to eat??? Please advise Peter..

Time: 7th February 2009 11:27pm

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peter says...
margaret,
yes you can eat them.
im planning on eating mine when
they fruit, i dont even know what they
taste like.
let me know what you think of them if
you eat yours.

your root stock has taken over,
you can do a search on blue crown
passionfruit to find a picture of them.


Time: 8th February 2009 4:52pm

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Vicki says...
Hi, thanks all. I have decided mine are panama gold. I hand pollinate and have tons of fruit now. I leave them a day or two after they fall off the vine and they are mostly delicious. The odd one is ordinary. I agree with Janita. I wont buy a grafted variety again. I once had one grow wild over a shed in the backyard of a house we were renovating. I didn't plant it it just grew. It had the best purple passionfruit. I dont look forward to the day I have to pull the plant out. This plant was definitely labelled black grafted. The fruit is good though. Mine was planted over a piece of liver which gave it a really good start in life.

Time: 13th February 2009 2:17pm

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BARRY says...
Ihave two Nellie Kelly vines growing along the fence one has a small tri figure leaf witch had about nine fruit on it the other has a large leaf and has never flowered both have plenty of foliage on them and been fertilised with cow manure and potash my question is why is one flowering and the other is not

Time: 9th March 2009 5:45pm

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John I. says...
Hi Barry. I had the same problem with my Nellie Kelly. Lots of leaves and flowers but no fruit. It turns out that either the graft didn't take or it was pruned off by the nursery. All that was left was the root stock.

Time: 9th March 2009 7:29pm

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shasuz says...
I have a grafted Nellie Kelly which is a year old. It has grown profusely, but not flowers or fruit have appeared. can you give me an explation for this

Time: 15th March 2009 10:02am

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gary says...
after reading this forum i decided i had to act.the problem was the fruit was yellow soft skinned & the pulp was red & didn't taste that good.there was plenty of them even the birds didn't want to attact them.i went down to the vines today i have 3 of them the purple one,panama gold & panama red all side by side.it was panama red that had sent suckers up everywhere.i cut & pulled out all the suckers there is not much of the 3 plants left.i'm happy i did this as in this forum i learnt that passionfruit only 3 to 5 years & since these vines are 2 & 3 years old what have i got to lose.i put potash around them & now i'll sit back & wait to see what happens

Time: 15th March 2009 6:31pm

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Batty says...
Which is the better performer the Nellie Kelly or the Panama varieties ?

Are they both grafted ?

Thanks

Time: 16th March 2009 11:15am

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Leona says...
hi, you can get grafted and seed grown ones in both panamas and black passionfruit...Nelly Kelly is just the growers name, not a type. I prefer those grown from seed as they dont sucker. They do take a little longer to fruit but not that long. I am in Perth and the black passionfruit I have is doing much better than my panamas...its full of fruit at the moment.

Time: 16th March 2009 12:42pm

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Batty says...
Hi Leona, thanks for that do you whether Bunnings have these seeds for purchase ?

Time: 16th March 2009 3:15pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Batty, you can buy a nice big ripe black passion fruit from the greengrocer and leave it in the fruit bowl until it is all dried out and shrivelled and then plant the seeds from it. I have had much, much better performances from good old seed grown black passionfruit than any suckering Nelly Kelly.

Time: 16th March 2009 4:32pm

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allan says...
Bunnings in Melb. sells potted Nelly Kelly grafted passion fruit - 3 varieties. Grafted Black, Grafted Panama Gold and Grafted Panama Red. As Leona stated, Nelly Kelly is a name of a passionfruit nursery in a Melb. suburb Dingley. You can phone them and discuss your problems. I doubt that they sell seeds - never seen themsold in packets.

Time: 16th March 2009 4:43pm

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Batty says...
Thanks guys all good advice. I have a fence line thats just waiting for this plant, but I have been reluctant to grow it due to these suckers coming out. Jantina yours sounds like a plan.

cheers

Time: 16th March 2009 4:58pm

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Diane says...
We have a Panama Gold and a Black Grafted Passion Fruit, they are both fruiting well but they are losing their leaves would this be because of the rain we have been having? they are looking very sad. The are only about 2 years old.

Time: 18th March 2009 3:02pm

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Johnc says...
It appears that we all have similar problems with our passion fruit. i hope a horticulturist or passion fruit "expert" can come on board and give us some answers. Anyone like that out there????

I have a grafted granadilla passion fruit which is very sweet and full of pulp when ripe . I have millons of flowers despite hand pollinating them, very few fruit. The second year had one fruit , 3rd year 2 fruit, but this 4th year had 30...but the fruit had changed and instead of the thin skin before, it is nearly 2 cm thick and the fruit is not as sweet as before but still sweet. Some of the fruit is also splitting from the bottom . This is a sign that it has too much water...so I was told by one of the nurseries I went to. Some of the fruit got deformed half way and drops after a short while.
The vines also started to lose a lot of leaves but the tips are still green. It also started flowering profusely again, but they all dropped after a couple of days.Some of the younger fruit have stopped growing and remained small,while the others are ripening and yellowing.

So does anyone know for sure what is happening to fruit changing the way it did. 2 cm thick skin in that fruit is quite a lot. ...when it is supposed to be thin skinned.

Time: 22nd March 2009 9:09pm

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paulaf says...
I did the same as Jantina.....Just planted a seed, and it has been the most productive, and disease resistant passionfruit I have had. I have just been out and counted over 70 passionfruits on the one vine. And the best thing is they don't sucker.
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Time: 23rd March 2009 9:56am

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trikus says...
Most problems could be people trying to grow this vine in marginal areas . Or growing the wrong species or variety . I cut'n'pasted this from Rare Fruits Australia web site .

Description A new book has been published by Queensland DPI&F to help commercial passionfruit growers produce top quality fruit for consumers. The Passionfruit Problem-solver Field Guide is an 118-page booklet illustrated with 216 colour photographs covering the pests, diseases, disorders and beneficial insects of passionfruit in Australia.

Jeff Daniells and Roger Goebel provided assistance in its development. The booklet is suitable for use in the field being a handy pocket size and printed on tough waterproof paper.

Copies are available from DPI&F

Time: 24th March 2009 8:31am

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au0rey says...
Jantina, I read with interest what u said about buying a passionfruit and getting seeds from there. I have seen nellie kelly passionfruit vines in bunnings but just dont dare to try them since I read about so many problems encountered. So I did buy a few passionfruits yesterday! Two which I have got have some wrinkled skin. Are the seeds supposed to be dried when I cut open the fruit in due time? Btw, do you some pictures of your lovely passionfruit vines which You have grown out from seeds which you mentioned? Do passionfruit vines need a lot of space. I have got an area with good sunlight.

Time: 30th March 2009 3:33pm

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Jantina says...
Hi auOrey, I let the fruit get ripe and wrinkled open them up , clean off the pulp and plant. I have also had plants germinate under the vine from missed fallen fruit so they're pretty easy. Passionfruit when growing well can take up a fair bit of space but you can prune them back to keep them smaller if you don't have much space, as for pictures I'm a computer dud, I can do emails and surf the web but pictures are a bit out of my league ( I'm too scared to even use the digital camera my husband got me).

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au0rey says...
Thanks Jantina!

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jono says...
Hi all. I have read with interest the problems confronting many of the passionfruit growers. I have two vines growing Panama gold and red both purchased from Bunnings.The gold which is alittle over 12months old began fruiting last oct. after 4months the fruit appeared fully developed however was still green in colour with no show of changing to yellow.In frustration i removed one from the vine cut it open only to find the seeds were not fully developed and white in colour. A horticulturist friend of mine said to spray the vine with diluted milk low and behold within a few weeks of spraying the fruit began to ghange colour not yellow but crimson red (so much for panama gold.)I now find my second vine approx 6months old is fruiting as well. Maybe you could try milk on your vine as it seems to have aided in my vines fruiting. I may add that the skin of my fruit is about 5mm thick the pulp a sour sweet taste.The leaves are both trifolate and oval and rootstock has definitely not taken over.

Time: 6th April 2009 8:10am

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Relly says...
Very interesting thread, i have just planted a Big Boppa and a Panama Gold which struggled at first but has now picked up. I hope these vines don't turn out to be duds. i will have to try a few of the tips talked about here.

Time: 7th April 2009 3:57pm

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Tiggerbow says...
Hi all,
I have been reading this forum for a few weeks as I was considering buying a passionfruit vine and wanted all the info i could get.
I went to Bunnings (Maddington, WA) today to get my passionfruit, armed with the info I had picked up on the forum. I was looking for the traditional Nelly Kelly Black/Purple fruit.
I had a really really good look at the vines and I couldn't figure out the grafts, some had multiple shoots coming out of them. I then had a look at the Panama yellow and there was a plant that I could identify the graft propery from.
I think that some of the posts above may be correct, in that the rootstock has ovetaken the graft. This seems to be occuring as early as at the store you buy it from. On some of the plants I couldn't figure out what was graft and what was rootstock. I suggest when purchasing these plants to have a really really good look at them. I ended up with a Panama yellow - hopefully I will have a bumper crop of passionfruit in the future !.

Time: 18th April 2009 6:33pm

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Peter Myers says...
The nurseries in Qld are selling grafted black passionfruits even though they never do any good.

Best to grow from seed - red & yellow types in warm areas, black in cooler areas.

Just plant the seeds from sweet & healthy vines.

Vines need to be replaced every few years as diseases build up, so plant a few seeds each year.

Time: 18th April 2009 8:10pm

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Liyarra says...
Now you have me worried!!! We planted 2 supposedly grafted black vines last year (2008) and all of a sudden in March this year they went beserk and are now holding over 100 fruit. The fruit and plants look quite healthy but are they likely to ripen at this stage of the year?
The fruit is quite large...maybe this is not a black after all???
What is the difference in the taste?
Thanks.

Time: 2nd May 2009 12:53am

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TokyoJ says...
Hi All
Is it normal for older passionfruit leaves to turn yellow during Autumn/Winter?

Time: 2nd May 2009 10:16am

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Peter Myers says...
Liyarra,

Black passionfruits are the kind to grow in Victoria.

If they don't ripen now, they'll ripen later.

If your area is frosty, you might be best to cover the vines with a mesh that lets light through. Bunnings sell one to keep birds off fruit. That might do. Also, you might wrap the stems of the vines with a layer of newspaper (tape it on). This will save them even if the tops die.

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Time: 2nd May 2009 11:09am

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Relly says...
Hi all, i'm having problems with both my panama gold and big boppa, they are being attacked by birds i think? I have not caught them in the act but not even the plastic snake keeps them away. All the new leaves have been pecked at or snapped off the vine. Was hoping for some advice about a spray that tastes bitter to birds.
Thanks in advance.

Time: 9th May 2009 7:13pm

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amanda says...
I had a lot of trouble with rats eating my passionfruit and vines - i strung up blocks in the vines (i have dogs) and that was the end of that problem!

Time: 10th May 2009 6:19pm

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Brenda says...
Hi, I have two passion fruit Nellie Kellie black in large pots, well drained, they have been doing very well, but one of them is loosing its leaves, they turn completely yellow.

They were bought grafted from Bunnings in January

Time: 12th May 2009 7:07pm

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Leanne says...
Does anyone have a grafted Nelly Kelly passion fruit vine with fruit that is ripening? Mine is about 12 -18 months old and started producing fruit a couple of months ago. They are a nice size and there are about a dozen of them, but they are still bright green and shiny and no sign of ripening. Just wondering if anyone elses are ripening at the moment.

Time: 15th May 2009 10:50pm

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randey says...
hello leanne, i live in perth and yes i have a nelly kelly that stretches over 5 metres along a north/ south fence that has gone ballistic with fruit and is just starting to ripen. there would be approx 100 fruit so far and its still flowering. just be patient. i have noticed that some vines will ripen at different times to others even in the same area. good luck

Time: 16th May 2009 8:58am

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amanda says...
I have same thing - the locals tell me it's our weird season this year. They said to be prepared to lose a lot of them if there is a cold snap. I think I will cry!! My panama red is a joy to behold at present (speaking as a dedicated pass'fruit eater!)

Time: 16th May 2009 11:05am

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amanda says...
PS - my peach n nectarines in full flower for past month now also - bizarre.

Time: 16th May 2009 11:07am

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Julie says...
Hey amanda, you beat me to it! I just noticed today my little Fragar peach is flowering. This long warm spell has thrown eveything out of whack.

I guess I should pull the flowers off, as it won't fruit in winter. I hope it has another go in spring!

Time: 16th May 2009 6:37pm

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marilyn says...
I have a grafted Black Nelly Kelly from Bunnings. It is a year old, beautiful foliage covered with flowers that are dropping. The trunk above the graft is shrinking into sunken dark lines. It think it is a virus and it is the third vine from Bunnings that has died like this. Is there anything I can spray it with to save it or is it doomed.

Time: 17th May 2009 1:42pm

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amanda says...
If it's a virus the plant is doomed I'm afraid. If it dies make sure u bin or burn it and don't plant another vine there again - I wouldn't know for sure but if it's a wilt virus then it's fatal. Try something else see the forum topic "passiflora vareties - peter mentioned the black NK's not so great.

Time: 17th May 2009 7:35pm

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randey says...
hi marilyn, randey here. also a possibility that you have been attacked the deadly nematodes and as amanda suggests dig it out and cremate it and definitely do not grow anything else in that spot

Time: 18th May 2009 8:22pm

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glendawn says...
I have heard about grafting passionfruit. I have tried a lot of different ways, but all have failed. Is there some sort of grafting gel available? or another type of compound I can use to get these grafts to work.

Time: 19th May 2009 10:03pm

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amanda says...
This has some good info for passionfruit growers:

http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5524.htmlite

Time: 23rd May 2009 7:44pm

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kevin says...
amanda, i just tried the website you posted and it said that page was not available. how long since you used it?

Time: 28th May 2009 2:53am

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amanda says...
Hi Kevin try:

www.dpi.qld.gov.au

select "plants" header - u will find it under fruit -> fruit and nuts.

Time: 28th May 2009 9:16am

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charlie says...
this is all really interesting, I have a fantastic passionfruit stretching an entire two fence lines, with loads of flowers and fruit this year, but all of a sudden there are huge patches of yellow leaves that drop off leaving that patch quite bare, i have a problem with green ant nests and at the moment those enormous crickets that i try to wallop but they see me coming and jump, any ideas on this please????

Time: 28th May 2009 2:57pm

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Liyarra says...
Ok. My plants are doing brilliantly and there are over 100 fruit on it. One finally ripened and to my dismay it really doesn't look like a black. Went to the supermarket and bought a black to compare - see photos here (shop "Black" on the left - our passionfruit on the right) Can anyone tell me what this sort is please?? I am being told it HAS to be a black cos none of the others will grow that well in Victoria.....confused and miffed!!! The pulp on our fruit was really orange in color and very sweet so I guess not a total loss. Vine is still flowering and fruit is dark shiny green.
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Time: 28th May 2009 3:50pm

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Liyarra says...
These are the plants and the fruit/flowers

Is it unusual fr them to be still flowering in May in Southern Australia??
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Time: 28th May 2009 4:00pm

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amanda says...
Hi Liyarra, it looks more like a Panama red to me - but Adelaide Peter may know the answer to this one?

It seems we are all having a late flush of passionfruit! ... My Pan.red is the same - I don't know if they will ripen thru' winter - does anyone else?

Time: 28th May 2009 4:05pm

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Liyarra says...
Thanks Amanda.
The fruit looks healthy and the sheer amount on it at the moment is enough to make you drool LOL
Just frustrating that you think you plant one thing and something else comes out of it. We were meticulous about making sure nothing grew out from below the graft and the plant itself looks ok.
Oh well I guess it is an excuse to plant more somewhere else.....can never have too many passionfruit. Maybe I will try growing from a black store bought fruit.
Anyone tell me the best way to do this please??

Time: 28th May 2009 4:13pm

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tecko says...
My 1 year old grafted Panama Red is also fruiting and flowering now (first time). I thought it is a winter fruit, but I think I'm mistaken. When (which month/s) do they normally bear fruit here in Perth?

Time: 28th May 2009 4:21pm

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Julie says...
tecko, you might be having the same problem a few of us have mentioned -flowering out of season. We had such a long spell of dry, warm weather in Perth, a lot of plants seemed to think it was spring!

Maybe not, as I don't know when that variety of passionfruit usually fruits. I'v only grown Nelly Kelly, which fruited in summer.



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Seabee says...
Mad passionfruit! We have 2 grafted Nelly Kelly's and were starting to wonder whether to pull them out after 3 years of no fruit, then lo & behold they are covered in huge green fruit! but we are not far off our first frost and it seems a really strange time to start fruiting. Is this normal for mid NSW?.
They are along the verandah and have some protection from the extremes.
We would appreciate any suggestions.

Time: 5th June 2009 5:53pm

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randey says...
same here guys , my plant has gone ballistic with growth and fruit after i spread blood and bone and sulfate of potash and on occasion fish heads after i had been fishing. mine is planted on a boundary fence within a metre of a brick wall so it is obviously getting enough heat from that but i agree that the poor thing thinks that it is still spring/summer. i only hope that the fruit ripens properly.

Time: 7th June 2009 9:50pm

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amanda says...
And we all wait with bated breath for a mid-winter passionfruit feast... :))

Mine starting to go crinkly..but still green with a slight Pan.red blush..fingers crossed!

Randey - I honestly reckon a masonary wall is the best for passionfruit! and an old-timer told me 2day that further south in the colder areas - a metal-sheet wall (colour-bond etc) - is the duck-guts for these guys.

Time: 7th June 2009 11:32pm

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randey says...
still waiting-waiting-waiting. oh god i might just pick a few and whack them in a paper bag with some green bananas and see what happens. its been known to work for other fruit

Time: 11th June 2009 6:38pm

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amanda says...
Bananas + passionfruit - please tell me happens? I don't reckon the blighters will ripen till spring at least!!?? It's sunnier here so I will be the first to let u know :))) ('specially as I am the northern-most WA member here so far..?)

I tried one of mine yesterday - chokka with pulp etc but yukk! I am going to keep the water up to them and wait patiently (...not)

All these gardeners on the forum n no-one can tell us what's going to happen...???

Time: 11th June 2009 11:37pm

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randey says...
well if its any consolation amanda i picked a hand of plantains yesterday and they were scrummy. so who`s got a crystal ball. well if you can get a bottle of ethylene gas or whatever they use to ripen fruit let us know

Time: 15th June 2009 11:15pm

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amanda says...
Hi Randey - what r u growing down there by the way? Would be interested to compare notes with u.

Time: 16th June 2009 11:43pm

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randey says...
hey amanda, check on the dragon site and see what i have written and give me a call. if you agree,i`ll take photos of all my plants and show you when i get up there. hopefully see you soon

Time: 17th June 2009 7:48am

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amanda says...
Hi Randey - I will try to call u 2nite.

Time: 18th June 2009 3:58pm

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amanda says...
Hooray - my sunshine special p'fruit are nearly ripe!!! Hang in there guys. They changed colour pretty fast and I picked one yesterday, despite the wintery weather we have been having.


Time: 21st June 2009 10:17am

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randey says...
hi amanda, if you called im sorry i missed it. we left perth at about 4;30 am on saturday and got back in last night at 9 pm. i did manage to pick up a couple of passionfruit that have red seeds. i have no idea what these little suckers are, but the plant i got them off was really sickly looking, obviously never been fed or watered before. it may even be a native. any ideas

Time: 22nd June 2009 2:15pm

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amanda says...
Hi Randey - I will still give u a buzz - was a bit hectic here with o/seas rellies visitng. How's this weather...20mm in the gauge yesterday and still more to come!? I put out 100kg's of wetta-soil last nite..if that doesn't get my sub-soil wet then I will give up! ;)

Don't know about the passionfruit - was it from someone u know?

Time: 24th June 2009 9:45am

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Ant'S says...
I have 1 black Nelly Kelly and 1 Panama Gold passionfruit plants 12/18 months old. In summer both produced 2 dz of nice & sweet fruits. Late Feb this year they started flowering like crazy, at present they about 400 fruits , some ripening but not sweet enough, anybody knows why? I feed deluted cow & chicken manure and sodium of potash.
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amanda says...
Hi Ant'S..mine are a bit the same - I have put it down to ripening in the cool weather - the fruit not producing enuf' sugars..? I had 2 of mine 2day and put about a 1/4 teaspoon of (low GI) sugar in the halves..they were good enuf' for me! :) U could try leaving them on the vine longer - until they crinkle maybe.

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randey says...
hi amanda, yes it was from my neices place but she is only renting the house and doesnt know its lineage. it may be a munted version of either passiflora herbertiana ( native passionfruit )or even passiflora mollissima (banana passionfruit). i will plant the seeds and see what comes up. a lot of these sub species do actually grow from seed and fruit

Time: 27th June 2009 2:39pm

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amanda says...
Hi Randey - that passionfruit sounds interesting - is the actual seed red?

Never heard of it myself (but that's not surprising...) I used to eat a lot of Banana pass' when a child but the seeds weren't red and the leaf (as u probly already know) is quite distinctive. I have had the 'stinker' (foedita?) up north and the seeds dark grey (actually not bad fruit..!)

Let us know how u get on with it hey?

PS - my subsoil wet for only the 2nd time in 4yrs... :)))) yippee..!

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randey says...
hey amanda, yes the actual seed is red surrounded by red pulp. the fruit itself was pretty small and munted but had enough in it to give me a taste. it seems that it would be pretty sweet given a bit of tlc, and yes i would love to have a "stinker", they are similar to the ones you get in indonesia. yellow skin grey seed pouch and absolutely full of sweet flesh. oh oh better stop i`m starting to drool

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peter says...
randy,
is the fruit from this red fleshed,red seed. hen egg sized, oval, with orange
skin?
the flesh being brilliant red.

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randey says...
hi peter, though the fruit looks severely undersized it is similar in some ways to banana passion and yes the skin is orange and the pulp and seed is red. hope that helps

Time: 30th June 2009 5:21pm

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peter says...
id say it is a passiflora caerulea
which is the one commonly used by
nellie kellie as a rootstock.
also commonly known as the blue crown
passionfruit.
if you google the names you should find
a picture and see if it is the same.

Time: 30th June 2009 6:29pm

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Ant'S says...
Thanks Amanda. I will give them a go.
By the way, in my previous E-Mail comments I mentioned that I feed my plants with
"Sodium of Potash" this is not correct, I feed Phosphate of Potash, (Deluted)

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Julie says...
I think you might mean Sulphate of potash. Phosphate and potash are two different minerals.

Time: 6th July 2009 7:39pm

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Fruity says...
Hi everyone
I have a passionfruit that's been in the ground (in good soil) for two years and though it's still alive it just refuses to grow. I planted it against trellis and behind where I grow great tomatoes, so is it the wrong venue?
Btw in the past, in a different garden, I grew passionfruits that went ballistic!

Time: 9th July 2009 9:55pm

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amanda says...
Hi Fruity...out of curiosity it may b worth gently digging down to the roots of the passionfruit to check that they are healthy...tomatoes are pretty bad for nematodes (and they are in all Aust. soils) maybe the tom's have attracted them to your vine..just a thought?

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Mike says...
Henry,

Your plant lacks potasium, the element of fruit and flowers. Give it a good dose of Yates soluble Flower and Fruit or straight sulpate of potash digging and watering in well
Cheers
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amanda says...
Dekka - I just read your post from long ago about the foliage developing spots etc as a deterrent to Heliconine butterflies (whatever they are?!) - did u see my post about passionfruit virus and the photo?

I will b interested about the diagnosis because the plant seems ok and fruits. It's just not very vigorous - but then that could b my fault..it's a bit out of sight - out of mind...

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Dekka says...
Sorry, Amanda. I can't find your post+pic.

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Here it is Dekka...
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Picture: 1

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peter says...
have a look at the actual growing tips and see if they are healthy
ive noticed on some of mine that havnt been doing so well that the tips are small and deformed or scragly looking.
this may be a sign of a virus.

panama reds must be ripening at far
north qld during winterbecause i just bought some from woolworths which
come from there.

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Dekka says...
I'd say Magnesium deficiency, especially if you observe small leaf positioned at 4 o'clock-ish in your picture. Probably salt related again.
If not, then perhaps a mosaic virus. Do you get any tough woody fruit?

Time: 21st July 2009 7:34pm

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amanda says...
Hey Dekka - sorry - I should have posted 'the story'..I sent a fruit and this leaf down to agriculture dept and they said virus...it's now gone to the Uni for an ID. They said it depends what type as to how bad it will b.

The process is taking forever and I don't want to pull it out yet because essentially I don't see it as a problem (however it may b for an industry - so then of course i would remove it)

The leaves generally cup upwards - it's quite noticable and the growth is just not vigorous for a p'fruit. The fruit was really good! (but not a lot of it as yet) and I didn't think it was woody at all.

I will have to wait 4 the diagnosis - but your post b4 got me thinking i guess - as the speckling really does look like moth eggs etc. Seems p'fruit can acquire a vast range of viral diseases...I am wondering if maybe we over-react to some of them?


I feel a bit embarrassed about the loquat thing - my soil not deficient in Mg at all (nor in the H2O)...

lesson: don't rely on local advice! ;)

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jono says...
haven't sent anything since April when I suggested spraying vines with diluted milk. This does work as it adds a number of elements to the growing vine similiar to sulphate of potash.My vines have still many fruit which are all turning crimson red however to date only two have reached the sweet edible stage. I am sure the weather has caused the fruit to forget when it is supposed to ripen. Can anyone give me a guide as to pruning the vines as spring is just around the corner.

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Dekka says...
Hi, Amanda
I found a site with info that made me think of your soil and water issues.

http://www.home-garden-soil-improvement.com/lime-gypsum.html

Are you certain that your Mg is available Mg?

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amanda says...
Hey Dekka - thanks for that! - had a brief look at site - it explains lots. Will study after kiddy tuck in. Much appreciated.

To be honest - this Ca:Mg thing is all new to me - I have handed the soil test over to an agronomist in Perth who specialises in Horticulture to help me out! (they all broadacre specialists here)

For what it's worth the results were:

Exchangeable Mg% = 15-20%
Exchangeable Na% = 2-5%
Ca:Mg ranges from 3.6 - 6.1 in the 6 samples. (eg ratio 3.6 for A sample)

(No Ca% given/tested)

On the table that is LowIntHigh:

The Mg% cations = Intermediate
The Na% cations = Intermediate
The Ca:Mg ratio = Intermediate
The salt content = Intermediate

And on another table Low-Marginal-Sufficient-High-Excess

And the Chloride is "sufficient"

(whatever that means!?)

Also the water test hardness = 145 mg/L

I will really have to activate some grey matter and think about these :) Do they make any sense to u?



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Ant'S says...
My fruits about 300 /400 still not sweet, for my taste, but apparantly sweet enough for a colony of cockatoos, who discovered them and had a feast a few days ago. They ate or rather destroyed a good 50, without a complaint. So much for sweetness.

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Brendan says...
Hi Ant'S, try giving your passionfruit some Epsom Salts, that will sweeten them up. Put some Gypsum around the vine and mulch heavily. Don't over-water passionfruit.

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Ellen says...
Brendan

where can one get some gypsum for the garden ?

Time: 29th July 2009 1:23am

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Brendan says...
Hi Ellen, bunnings sell it in a 25kg bag here in mackay, or any fertilizer place. I think you can now buy 'liquid gypsum' as well, for quicker results.

Time: 29th July 2009 7:02am

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amanda says...
Hi Brendan/Ellen...shop around too..a 5kg bag gypsum in Bunnings = $11. I get a 25kg bag from a local rural supplier for $20...!! The fine grade (like talc) works faster but the coarse grade lasts longer and thus works for longer period of time.

I find Bunnings really expensive myself - their retic fittings are 3 times the price of our local retic people/shop for eg. Has anyone else noticed this?

Time: 29th July 2009 9:42am

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Ellen says...
Amanda,

It's true Bunnings' prices are getting up there, I noticed it as well, as I was shoppings for materials to set up my mini garden for Espalier it.

2 bolts eyes with washers = $3.35 75mm in length.

1 galvanised post of 100mm x 100mm (2.25m in length) = $42

= Bunnings

1 bolt with washer = #1.30 (local hardware)

1 galvanised post of 100mm x 100mm ( 7.2 m in length) = $37.50 (plus they will cut it to the customer preferred in sizes and drilled holes already in it as your required preference)

= local hardware near by .

and delivery charge is only half the price compared to what Bunnings charged for delivery too .


BTW regarding the powder lime, I just sprinkle it as is around the plant and that's it?



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Julie says...
Given a choice, I never shop at Bunnings. They have put so many small hardware stores out of business, and now it seems (from this post) they are not even cheaper! Yet this has always been their claim.

I would rather go to a small store and get personal service and advice from an experienced person.

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amanda says...
Hi Ellen n Julie,
Yes just sprinkle and water in...
I always support my local guys 2...they even know my name and we stop n chat (which i love 2 do as u may have noticed ;)...) I get great advice and help from them.
And the Bunnings claim that they will "beat the price by 10%" - I tried it once - what a rigmarole! never again.

A tap valve at my local retic = about $3 - the exact same one @ Bunnings $7...why is this with their bulk buying power? It's a sham i reckon.

They have put 3 local nurseries out of business here - so now there is no variety and many inappropriate selections for our area (= fuschias!!??) Ok - enuf whinging from me :)

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Julie says...
They only put small stores out of business when people desert them and shop at Bunnings! It seems people are suckers for advertising.

Time: 30th July 2009 6:30pm

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Liz says...
...Bunnings price comparisons with other places vary... I have found them more expensive on a number of things, but cheaper on others... the main advantage from my point of view is that I can get there when they're open (or if I suddenly realise at 8:30pm on a Tuesday night that I don't have something I need to finish something I'm in the middle of...), and they usually have what I want... nothing to do with advertising, I promise! ;-)

...I agree that it's better to have the little local businesses that are more responsive to local needs/conditions... but I'm afraid that the convenience wins out in the interests of getting things done in my ridiculously busy life!

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amanda says...
Hi Passionfruit growers - this was the verdict from the Ag Dept(on the passionfruit pictured):


Brenda Coutts sent your plant to a University specialist for identification. Your passionfruit was diagnosed with woodiness virus, for which there is no control. There are mild, medium and severe strains of this virus. The disease is worse in cool weather. Plants can sometimes recover with the mild strains, but the severe strain will result in greatly reduced yields and quality.

She claims all passionfruit have viruses. Mine have a poty virus but are doing quite well.

John Burt


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peter says...
hi amanda,
is this vine with the virus the sunshine
special that you have only one of?
just remembered reading a post a while back which said some viruses travel up
the stem and branches in the sap and
you can heavily fertilize the vine
with high levels of phosporous which
makes the growing tips grow quickly
and out run the virus.
you can then take the tips and strike
a cutting which will be virus free.


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amanda says...
Thanks Peter - yes that's the one. I don't think it's too severe at all - I got some nice fruit off it. I think u may b right as the new growth doesn't seem to b speckled - I think I will try it! It's too nice a fruit to let go of just yet.

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peter says...
how would you rate the fruit against
the panama red.

Time: 1st August 2009 8:09pm

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amanda says...
Ummm.. the sunshine has a bit more of the black/purple flavour to it (ie: more character) and I think it would do better (the sunshine) in cooler conditions. It's a bigger fruit and lots of pulp. As far as mine goes I think it's a winner - could b better without the virus - but definitely superior to traditional black/purples.

Unless u have a nice warm spot for a panama then u may want to look closer at this one Peter. It's one of the main commercial varieties and they don't back losers! :)

I am going to get one from Daleys at some stage and give it another go for sure.

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peter says...
im planning on putting a panama in a
glasshouse and will also get two
sunshines, one for the glasshouse and one outside.
daleys havnt got any available at the
moment but hopfully they will by springtime.


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amanda says...
Wow - must b a big glasshouse Peter! I think u will b happy with both selections to b honest..the panama seems to be a prolific bearer wherever I have seen it (in warm climates) but the sunshine is obviously a tough customer..and the fruit is equal at least (I think I mentioned b4 I am a p'fruit addict - so they all taste wonderful to me - especially if I don't have to pay 2 bucks each for them!) Good luck! :)

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randey says...
hi amanda, long time no talk. hey i love the photo, ready to slash and burn huh. will try and get back into the forum soon as i have to reduce my work load.

Time: 9th August 2009 4:17pm

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amanda says...
Hi Randey! Yup...the cutter is my "therapy". It's a u beaut honda 4 stroke..my only serious garden toy.. :( It's flat out here getting everything ready for summer too... going to get hubby on the end of the wheelbarrow n shift 20 cubic m of wood chip....groan... catch u soon!

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Jimmy says...
I just got myself a SEP sickle bar mower.

That would do a good job up there.

www.sep.it

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amanda says...
Jimmy - I am green!...I can't see a spot to put a stubby tho' !!?? Gotta have a drink holder mate! :)

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Jimmy says...
I'm too fat for that, walk behind and get skinny...well that's the theory anyway.

I have the supersmart model, with sickle, rotary hoe, potato plough, moulboard plough and dual wheels for traction.



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Jimmy says...
PS The rideon is at Mum's place, she is too old to push a mower.

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Anne says...
Hi Amanda, When you say you tied up blocks in the vines to keep the possums away what do you mean by blocks? Pardon my ignorance.
Anne

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amanda says...
Hi Anne - some of the rat/mouse baits come in a block with a hole in the middle (eg Talon) so u can tie or nail them up out of reach. Not for possums...(don't have them here and they are protected anyway I think?)

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ant's says...
Thanks Brendan, Sorry been a bit too busy with work, will give them a go.
However, they are getting slightly sweeter and eatable. Now my plants (2) are dropping a lot of leaves, while at the same time a lot of new vegetation (Shoots) coming from the branches.
Have a nice day,Ant's


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mike says...
you guys have not tasted good passion fruit until you taste the rare fruit from Ruby Glow Passion. oh my God. it is awesome. we got lucky last year and had only one. talk about tasty treasure.

Time: 30th August 2009 11:09am

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Jantina says...
Hi Mike, can you tell me what sort of conditions Ruby Glow needs? Thanks.

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culebra says...
Do we have Ruby Glow Passionfruit in Aus?
i had not heard of it til now.

is this it?:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/53806/

if so i am already in love with the flower. its really something.

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mike says...
hi Jantina. the same growing conditions that would have for any plant. south facing location (in your case north facing) and rich loamy soil. I have the purple passion planted across from hoping for cross pollination for the past few years without any luck.

yes culebra that's it. the pics don't do the flower justice. the fragrance is absolutely intoxicating. it worth planting just for the showy bloom. Its mid summer in Southern California and the vine is already in bloom. these pics I took last year
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Picture: 2
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Picture: 4

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Jantina says...
Thanks Mike that looks wonderful. Ok over to Peter in Adelaide, what can you tell us Peter, can we get this in Oz and will it grow down south? Thanks.

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culebra says...
I'd definitely consider planting one of these for the flowers alone!
they're amazing.
Thanks for sharing the photos Mike.

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peter says...
hi jantina,
yes you can get these in oz, or at least something almost identical, but im pretty sure its the same thing,
heaps of strong smelling flowers.
ive had one for a while now in my glass
house but nearly lost it last year during the heat wave.
i had it outside before that and it was flowering but was only young at the time
guess where i got it from.
hows the panama berry going?

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Jantina says...
Hi Peter, you're not going to say Bunnings surely! Has yours fruited? The Panama berry thought it was a tad cold here and decided to drop it's leaves but under the bark it's still nice and green so it will probably sprout again soon. Going to put it somewhere warmer next winter so it keeps fruiting, I like having a little snack as I go by.

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peter says...
hi again,
i think the pamama berries do drop their
leaves from time to time when its cold
so it will come back.
no the passi didnt come from bunnings.
any one else want to have a guess?

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peter says...
no mine hasnt fruited yet, i tryed
hand pollinating dozens of flowers
last year before the heat wave but
with no fruit set.
hoping for better luck this year.

Time: 31st August 2009 8:15pm

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Jantina says...
Peter did you import the seed?

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Jantina says...
Hey Peter while I'm picking your brains do you know where I can get P incarnata? Thanks

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amanda says...
I obtained seed of this passionfruit from a local nursery/pet store...I couldn't get it to grow tho' n now they don't have it. I bet u got it from a supermarket peter?

Time: 31st August 2009 9:06pm

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peter says...
jantina
i have imported passi seeds before but
not of this kind.
havnt seen p. incanata any where but will keep my eyes open for it.

amanda
was purchased as a plant but not from
a supermarket.

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Toby says...
Where did you guys get your panama berries from? I've been looking for about a year or more and can't find them anywhere.

Time: 1st September 2009 2:24pm

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amanda says...
Daleys of course!? (to Toby n Peter..?)

Time: 1st September 2009 4:58pm

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peter says...
hi amanda,
yep daleys, i actually mentioned it to
you a while back on another passi thread.

Time: 1st September 2009 8:16pm

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Toby says...
Yeah, they've been "seeking propogation material" for panama berries for a long time now. I haven't seen them available, maybe I've just timed it badly.

Time: 1st September 2009 9:19pm

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amanda says...
Good one Peter! so much to grow n so little time/space! I tried to get Panama berry too Toby - u need to click on the "E-mail me when available" thingo....they did become avail at one stage but I was too slow as there were only 3 from memory..good luck! :)

Time: 2nd September 2009 11:07am

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Jantina says...
HI Peter , I admit to being confused. Are you saying you got your plant from Daleys? I thought Amanda said Daleys in response to the Panama berry question.

Time: 2nd September 2009 7:48pm

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peter says...
hi jantina,
amanda said to toby and peter so i asumed she was saying that id got the plant from daleys.
which is in fact correct.
they have some listed as being in stock at the moment but having second thoughts about your colder climate i think it may struggle unless you have a warm spot for it or your could cover it with clear plastic over winter.

Time: 2nd September 2009 9:52pm

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Jantina says...
Thanks Peter, I looked at Daleys yesterday and could not see any listed as Ruby Glow. Could you tell me what it is listed as please. Yes I can give it a warm spot and /or cover it in winter. Thanks.

Time: 3rd September 2009 10:03am

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peter says...
hi jantina,
the one i am refering to is the sweet
lilliko which is also refered to as
passiflora alata and the fragrant
granadilla. technically it is not a ruby
glow bit if you do a search on ruby glow
it is said that the ruby glow is commonly refered to as passiflora alata.
the leaves, stems, and flowers are exactly the same as well as having an
extremly strong scent hence the name
fragrant granadilla.




Time: 3rd September 2009 6:28pm

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Jantina says...
Thankyou Peter,I'm taking action.

Time: 3rd September 2009 7:22pm

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amanda says...
Hi Jantina n Peter - here is a pic of the seed packet (they call it an alata) if it's any help. I don't know if the supplier still exists - I will google n see.

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Time: 6th September 2009 9:53am

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Jantina says...
Many thanks Amanda.

Time: 6th September 2009 11:19am

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Toby says...
Hi Amanda - re the panama berry - Daley's had at least 1 today and I was so excited as I managed to add it to my order - only to get the message "WA quarantine won't allow these" or something.

I contacted Daley's pleading for them to hold it for me while I asked quarantine if it was possible to import but Kath contacted me and said they don't send them to WA. So it's back to the drawing board for me, and the panama berry has sold now anyway. :(

Time: 8th September 2009 11:13am

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amanda says...
Hi Toby ... WA Quarantine is becoming very tiresome isn't it?? I understand the need for it but there are so many things they DO allow that are just as bad....but then WA has always been regarded as a Nanny state..? Cape gooseberries are already here...so why ban them? People who want to buy panama berries are possibly mature gardeners that wouldn't let it get out of control anyway...who wants a rampant weed?
I think it sucks personally. :(

Time: 8th September 2009 7:55pm

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Jimmy says...
what's the botanic name?

Time: 9th September 2009 1:16pm

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Jantina says...
If you are referring to the Panama berry it's Muntingia calabura I think.

Time: 9th September 2009 11:25pm

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au0rey says...
Do earwigs feed on passionfruit leaves? The tender young leaves on mine were eaten and I have some slugs and earwigs in the garden but havent found any on the plant though.

Time: 17th October 2009 9:51pm

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Wayne says...
Hello Igor
Wow! you certainly are on the other side of the world. If we can get through customs I'm sure we can help you.

I note your address is merryrogerATmail.ru, we would say @ not AT, just confirm that to atfieldwayne@hotmail.com

Time: 23rd October 2009 11:51am

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Karen & Paul says...
Phil I would love one of these passionfruit, the flower is spectacular. What is the fruit like? Do you know where I could get one around here? We are in Pottsville, not far from you :-)

Time: 24th October 2009 10:00am

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M Nash says...
Me too??
I'm at Terranora

Time: 24th October 2009 12:58pm

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Phil says...
I have a number of seedlings coming up - will see if they do ok and you're welcome to some.

Time: 24th October 2009 2:41pm

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Karen & Paul says...
Oooh sounds good Phil thanks. Let us know how they go :-) wahholdings@dodo.com.au

Time: 25th October 2009 7:33pm

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Armin says...
Phil, I wish you best of luck in growing the p.antioquiensis. After 5 years of trying it has me beat! I really don't like your chances in Murwillumbah/Northern NSW.
Of well over 100 plants which I have germinated from seed not one even reached half way to maturity. About the largest I could get them to grow is as per the plants in the back row of the photo.
p.antioquiensis really does live up to its reputation of being the most tempramental passiflora to grow!
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Time: 8th November 2009 12:03am

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Jantina says...
Hi Armin, any idea why your plants haven't thrived?

Time: 8th November 2009 9:32am

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Armin says...
Hi Jantina,
I have learned so much about growing p.atioquiensis over the past 5 years of research and in which time I have unsucessfully tried to grow it.
It comes down to it being a very, very sensitive/temperamental plant to grow. It hasn't adapted very well from the growing conditions where it originates in the cool, overcast, mountainous regions of south America.
It germinates very easily from seed and it is very easy to grow healthy seedlings. The problem is when it gets to a few feet tall this is when it will often die very quicky and for no apparent reason. One minute it is thriving and healthy and virtually the next minute it is dead. It also is very susceptible to dieing from virus's. If you are growing it you need to make sure the soil is absolutely sterile. It has an extremely sensitive root system. I killed one entire batch once by accident since I transplanted the seedlings into black plastic pots. They were growing well but one day they were in too much direct sunlight and the heat of the black plastic pots heating up in the sun caused the soil to warm up enough to kill every single plant.
Since it originates from areas with cool mountain air it hates humidity. This is why in my opinion Phil will have trouble growing it in Murwillumbah. It would be great if he could prove me wrong! My seed originally came from NZ, USA and UK.
The photos below are of what the very healthy plants look like (right) and of a sick plant on its way to heaven.
I grow many exotic varieties of passifloras and the reason I wanted to grow p.antioquiensis in particular is because it undoubtedly is the most deliciously flavoursome of all of the edible passionfruit species.
If any Tasmanians are reading this I think it would grow very well in Tassie.
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Jantina says...
Thanks for the extensive reply Armin, that explains why it grows well in NZ.

Time: 8th November 2009 3:22pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hey thanks for the warning - will try and keep them out of the sun. Am in the mountains behind Murwillumbah so maybe the cooler conditions will help. Fingers crossed.
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Time: 8th November 2009 6:53pm

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amanda says...
Hi Armin - thanks for the info! I have two banana passionfruit vines and one of them hs recently dropped all of it's leaves due to the hot easterly winds - it's very sad. The other one is a bit more sheltered and thus hanging in a bit better.

I doubt they will make it thru' our summer. It doesn't make any difference if I give them more water.
I am amazed they are considered a weed in some parts - as I find them very touchy!
The other passionfruits are thriving (panamas and blacks) in the sme positions. The difference in the leaves between the species really tells the story - the banana pass' leaves are so much softer and more fragile - indicating a need for the kind of climate you have mentioned maybe?

Time: 13th November 2009 10:51am

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HappyEarth says...
Im not so sure that they are a weed ... at least not around sydney. The passionfruit that is very weedy is what is called blue passionfruit (not sure the botanical name) and looks different to banana passionfruit. It is generally the passionfruit used to graft other varieties onto it. It suckers very badly and is almost impossible to get rid off once established - even with poison. I see it coming up in our local bush regularly.

I grow the regular black passionfruit from seed and it fruits well!

Rich
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Time: 14th November 2009 7:08am

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Dekka says...
There's an awful lot of evidence that Banana Passionfruit is very nasty given the right conditions.

http://www.weeds.org.au/cgi-bin/weedident.cgi?tpl=plant.tpl&state=&s=&ibra=all&card=E04

http://www.weeds.asn.au/weeds/txts/psnfruit.html

http://www.au.gardenweb.com/forums/load/nzgard/msg0303212428974.html




Time: 14th November 2009 7:43am

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Brendan says...
Hi All,
For what it's worth, I'm fairly sure the Banana Passionfruit IS classed as a weed here in Queensland.

I grow a yellow one, I think it's called Tropical Yellow. It's one of the best passionfruits I've tasted. Sweet as. (probably because I feed it epsom salts :-)

Time: 14th November 2009 8:07am

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amanda says...
Hi Brendan - where did you get the seed for yours? Maybe I need one tat is more suited to a warmer climate. Mine are just plants I picked up at Bunnings - they are "home brand" :)

Time: 14th November 2009 10:43am

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Armin says...
Hi Amanda,
I am surprised you can'y grow the common old banana passionfruit. It sure does grow as easy as a weed. I found two in the edge of the garden this afternoon which had germinated from seeds (from fallen fruit last season) growing in loose mulch.
They require so little care and grow like a rampant vine up any structure near by.
It is amazing that the common banana passionfruit (p.molissima) and the red banana passionfruit (p. antioquiensis) have almost identical looking leaves and are very closely related yet they are such different plants in their behaviour in the one grows like a weed and the other is so tempramental and virtually impossible to grow unless it has ideal conditions.

Time: 14th November 2009 9:57pm

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Armin says...
Yes the blue passionflower (p. caerulea) is a very vigorous plant which is why it is used as a rootstock for common grafted varieties such as Nellie Kellie etc.
The runners come up from everywhere and it is very hard to get rid of once well established.

Time: 14th November 2009 10:01pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
PS - BTW, the fruit in the photo are from P. antioquiensis. They are grown as a food crop in Madeira

Time: 14th November 2009 11:23pm

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
I got the Tropical Yellow passionfruit seeds from my brother, God knows where he got them from. I think I have some seeds if you want some. I'll have to check, as their 'use-by' date could be up too, I'll get back to you here:-)

To help stop spam, just disguise your email address, and somehow put it at the bottom of your answer. eg, amandaathotmaildotcomdotau :-), or, if you don't want to do that, here's mine: bahiggoatmackaydotnetdotau. (My name is brendan higgins)

Time: 15th November 2009 8:18am

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amanda says...
Thanks Brendan - I would love to try them! Here is a pic of mine - as u might be able to see - it's trying to grow over to the shady, sheltered side that has the acacia tree behind it and the branches on the right (exposed) have dropped all their leaves. It has a light pink flower.
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Time: 15th November 2009 11:04am

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Gee I like your passionfruit trellis, way to go! What type and what does your fruit taste like?

Yep, I've found some Tropical Yellow passionfruit seeds. I might send some to Wayne (in Mky) too.

Just go back to my post yesterday and use the info on the bottom line. It's my email addy. Send me an email with your postal addy, and I will send you the goods. Don't think there's an easier way, is there?

Time: 16th November 2009 6:23am

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amanda says...
Ok Brendan - I send u an e-mail 2day. The trellis is actually the windbreak for my orchard! Bit wild here. Mine are only 6 months so no fruit yet - have got some flowers now tho'. They are "home brand" Bunnings vines - so no name :-(

Time: 16th November 2009 10:14am

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Have not received any email yet:-(. Did you send one?

Check my addy again:-)

Looks like there's two 'Brendans' now on this forum. I see you asked the other one about squishing some bugs, that wasn't me hey:-)

Time: 18th November 2009 7:43am

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Marcel says...
It seems a lot of folks are having trouble with their grafted Nellie Kellys.

I planted one about 10 years ago and althought the fruitstock died the rootstock is still running amok under my pergola. This particular rootstock is basically uncontrollable by pruning because it suckers from roots.

To check whether your rootstock has taken over compare the flowers to a known healthy purple vine that fruits well. I think you'll find the Nellie flowers considerably more colorful.

If you bought a grafted it's quite possible that you only bought a rootstock anyway as I've seen several seedlings in the local Bun...gs that had a healthy rootstock but the fruitstock was all but dead. On one the fruitstock had fallen out and you could see the old graft v plainly.

Now I only ever grow ungrafted. I feel it's much safer if you have room for a couple in case one is a dud.

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gary says...
hi all the last post i put up was on march 15.i had suckers everywhere,fruit was soft & a reddish colour even the birds didn't like them.so as i said i went down a pulled out all suckers i made sure there no foliage from the ground up to 60cm.there was not much left of the plants but this year they have come back covered in flower and some fruit all over with no sign of that soft reddish fruit.its all looking good maybe i'll have to net them to keep the birds from getting them.i'll let you's know what happenings soon. But just in case it all goes pear shape my wife has bought me a NON GRAFTED passionfruit plant for $6.

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k - hey let us know how you get on.
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Karen & Paul says...
Hi all you great passionfruit growers :-) Prior to the big move into our new house I read this post avidly as we considered transplanting three vines to the new garden. We ended up bringing one with us and it was so happy for about a week. Once it went in the ground it slowly starting drooping and now it looks very sad. I do hold hope however as the stem is still strong and green and the other day after a night of heavy rain I noticed one leaf was standing up and dancing :-)
So my questions - I recall someone listing a nice little recipe of nutrients for a passionfruit in transplant shock but cannot find that listing now, any clues? Also our site is heavy clay. We dug a rather large hole and added homemade compost for her but I have noticed a lot of mention of gypsum here, should I feed her some and how?
We seriously have so much work to do to even start the gardens that I'm not sure why I am so obsessed with this little battler, I guess I just want to have at least one edible up and running to say it's all been worth it hehehe. Thanks in advance

Time: 23rd December 2009 9:39pm

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amanda says...
My passionfruits have started flowering - so Perth-ites should see action soon! I am harvesting my black grafted nellie kellies now (vine planted this winter) The seedling Pan red and Sunshine special off n running and the grafted Pan red n golds still at the starting gate.

Karen - I transplanted a 1yr old grafted black nellie this winter and it has grown fine (but no flowers - which I expected) - give it some Seaweed tonic and gypsum. Gypsum comes as either a fine or coarse powder or as a liquid. I have recently converted to the liquid and will swear by it. You just follow the instructions on the packet. It migt be best to lay off any fert's until it picks up again. Liquid seaweed will be enough for now. Give it some shade if gets hot too.

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Karen & Paul says...
Thanks Amanda, we did rig up a little shade for her as it is so blazing hot right now. I will make it a bit better today and give her a little feed of your recommendations.
Have a great Christmas over there in the West, all the best ;-)

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Diana says...
Hi Karen,

I think passionfruits generally do transplant well. I did the same as you a couple of years ago, and moved 2 panama passionfruits that were a year old to a new house, also with clay soil. They were transplanted as one metre stems with quite a large root ball and a few leaves in January. They lost those leaves, but started growing well with new leaves a few months later, and never looked back. I treated them the same as a new planting (planted them with compost dug in, on a liver covered with some clay for them to send roots to, watered in with seaweed).

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Karen & Paul says...
Oh the liver thing! I forgot about that :-( Oh well will see how we go without it. Yes I am feeling confident. Thanks for the pep talk :-) Have a great happy and safe Christmas

Time: 24th December 2009 8:10am

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Diana says...
Thanks Karen,

No worries, most people do not do strange things like planting liver in the back yard, and they are fine without it!

Diana.

Time: 24th December 2009 8:17am

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au0rey says...
Hi Diana...I am totally blown away by the edibles you have and they are doing so great! I made a few comments/questions about your passionfruit, carolina black rose, lemongrass and sweet potato...can you reply them? Thanks!

Time: 24th December 2009 10:17am

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Ileana says...
Not Sure I agree with James' comment at all . I have two new grafted plants, one black one panama red. They are oval at the base but exactly as picture at the growing tip. So as long as they are not growing under the graft mark it will be the grafter variety.

Time: 28th December 2009 7:08pm

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Diana says...
Hi Au0rey,

Thanks very much. I have had no problems with this grape, except the puppy chewing it intially so we had to put wire around the stem for a while. I gave it a narrow trellis to climb up, attached to the patio support post, then trained two stems on either side along horizontal pieces of wood attached to the patio posts, with the side shoots going horizontally outwards onto a couple of wires (like a clothesline out from the patio roof). When it was dormant, I cut it right back to the main upright stem and a metre or so of the four main leaders (two on each side). It has fruited on these sections this year. It is two years old. Grapes need severe pruning back nearly to the main stem (the one with brown flaky bark not green stem) in the first dormant period, apparently.

I am in Brisbane, which seems to be a perfect climate for rampant sweet potatoes and lemongrass. I don't think they would get so large in Melbourne. Sweet potatoes might die back if you have frost (we have no frost at the back of the house, and maybe 3 or 4 days of light frost at the front). I have heard that you can eat the shoots. The chooks really like them. Sweet potatoes are great to grow under trees, they do the digging and mulchig for you if you give them time.

West Indian lemongrass gets bigger than East Indian, and I think it would be a bit smaller in Victoria. I think East Indian doesn't flower. I only prune it from the bottom for mulch, because I am using it as a screen.

Good luck with your grape. If the adult leaves are normal, perhaps it isn't such a problem?

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au0rey says...
Thanks Diana! Really appreciate your help!

Time: 30th December 2009 12:02pm

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amanda says...
Hi au0rey, here's one of my passionfrit vines that I don't feed anything but manure, woodchip etc. It gets lots of water (but I have sandy-loam) and some worm wee. That's about it. I have just given it potash to make the lazy sod flower! :-)))
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Time: 3rd January 2010 2:32am

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
Try giving your passionfruit vine a spray of Condys. Put a pinch (no more) of Condys in 9 litres of water, a 'good' wetting agent (eg Spreadmax), and spray your vine twice a week. That will speed up the flowering :-)

Time: 3rd January 2010 8:23am

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amanda says...
Cheers Brendan! It carried a massive crop right thru' winter as it flowered in our weird autumn last year...of course I couldn't prune it in spring then!
It's got loads of new growth and is making those funny little non-flower leaf bracts at the leaf-stem junctions and has produced about 4 flowers and then stopped. With all this hot weather we are having I was sure it would have geared up by now? It's a Panama red seedling - when do they flower over there?
Maybe I am just too impatient!? ;-)

Time: 3rd January 2010 11:55am

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Brendan says...
Hi amanda,
My 'pruned back' Panama Red has ~ 10 BIG fruit on now, and it's still flowering. They don't look like ripening though? They're just getting bigger :-)

I was always led to believe that fruit matures earlier here in the tropics, compared to southern areas?

Give it the Condys brew, you will be pleasantly surprised :-)

Time: 4th January 2010 8:16am

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amanda says...
Ah I am jealous Brendan!! The climate is not very "southern" here Brendan. You would be surprised to know that u can grow mangoes etc in many parts of Perth and then cherries in winter! Geraldton is in the Mid West and has a very long hot growing season and mild, sunny winter - no frost at all. A bit similar to Brisbane maybe a bit hotter.

Time: 4th January 2010 11:15am

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Jess says...
Hey guys, been scanning the forum after a clue on how to get my plants to grow.

i have a nelly kelly black grafted passionfruit which seems to be stunted in growth. Its only a few months old but its just not growing. The leaves are all very soft and small and tend to curl. Neither this plant nor my panama gold plant have grown tendrils - although the panama seems to be pretty healthy and is getting taller & taller.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Time: 4th January 2010 2:55pm

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Brad says...
My newly bought Nelly Kelly is extremely vigorous - as soon as the tendrils grab something it shoots up. I'm not sure what would cause a lack of tendrils. A random guess would be that if the first tendrils had nothing to grab, maybe it stops putting out tendrils?

Its not a huge expense to replace if yours is only young. Just double check to see if there's anything you can control that is causing the lack of growth. without a photo or more information, its hard to say

Time: 4th January 2010 5:18pm

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Brad says...
Another thought Jess as I build mine a wire to climb - is yours perhaps climbing something that gets very hot - e.g. a metal trellis in the sun? I could imagine that making it hard for the vine to get hold and climb

Time: 5th January 2010 1:04pm

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Jess says...
Thanks for your help.

It is a wire trellis but dont think this is the problem. the plants have had very minimal contact with the trellis as this stage - the tendrils have just never got further than about half a centimetre long - they just look like little spines on the stem.
I've since dug both the plants out - i read somewhere that the symptons may be a sign of nutrient deficiency. The soil they were in hadn't been conditioned at all and grass was starting to grow over the area in which they were planted. I guess the grass could be starving them as well?? Have put them in container for now with some chook poo & have added some lime, mulch & chook poo to the soil where i intend to replant them (it was pretty clayey).

I'll let you know how i fair.

Time: 6th January 2010 3:04pm

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amanda says...
Hi Jess get some soft material or such and tie them lightly to the trellis next time. I have to do this cos' of the wind for mine - once they get bigger they don't need it as much.

No tendrils is weird - can u post a photo? Maybe it's just not warm enuf' yet? They go mental (here) once the hot weather arrives.

Time: 7th January 2010 12:09pm

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Jess says...
We had about 2 weeks of 35 - 40oC temps before chrissy but it's much cooler now & getting alot of rain.

I'm pretty convinced its a nutrients deficiency as the new 3 pronged leaves on the black passi. are kind of deformed - like it has 2 normal prongs and then kind of a screwed up bump for the 3rd prong. Leaves on the yellow passi. are all oval besides a couple of new ones which seem pretty good.

If thats not the problem then i'm stumped.

I'll post a photo tonight.

Could the grass have been causing problems?



Time: 7th January 2010 1:03pm

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amanda says...
Hi Jess - grass is pretty greedy stuff - but let's look at the pic first - passionfruit get viruses also and this could be the problem - but it's really hard to tell without seeing it.
Passionfruit woodiness virus can be a cause of malformed leaves - look closely for any yellow speckling or mottling on the leaves. The fruit (when it comes) may also be mostly pith - but it depends on the severity. I have a sunshine special with this and it produces a smaller crop but of good fruit - so I have left it in.
Hopefully this isn't your problem.

Time: 7th January 2010 7:23pm

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Jess says...
Having problems with transferring the pics onto the p.c. but i would probably agree with your prognosis. there are a few leaves at the base that are yellowing and tend to be a bit spotty - leaves at the top are ok - just small and deformed. i've just bought a new plant that already has tendrils - the difference in the two plants is massive so pretty sure it has a virus.

Time: 10th January 2010 3:26pm

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amanda says...
Hi Jess. Bummer! Well look at it this way - for the price of a new plant it's worth replacing it - you could persist with the possibly infected one and it would grow - but it will never be a good producer. That's going to waste your time, effort and water.
Most passionfruit viruses are spread by grafting efforts and sap suckers (from what I have googled) so hopefully your new one safe. I think I have the same problem with one of my black grafted nellie kellies too. I am waiting for a fruit to diagnose.

Time: 11th January 2010 10:39am

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Jess says...
Yeh - am going to give the sick one a couple more weeks in its new environment just to see if anything improves but if i dont see some kind of improvement it might have to go to passionfruit heaven :(

Thanks for your help :)

Time: 11th January 2010 1:22pm

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Stephen says...
Im another victim of the the great passion fruit switch purchased from bunnings just doubled checked the label it says Black and mine looks the same as Liyarra post 28/5/2009.

This is the third year . Last year i was picking fruit in October its first fruiting which seemed strange to me.
This year they are just turning deep red some early drops are bitter but full of pulp still good in a fruit salad tho.

I have 5 plants all up 3 others are getting a whipping from tree rats "possiums "

My 5th looks unhealthy see picture
Can someone shed some light on what might be wrong its in a north aspect.
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Time: 31st January 2010 3:24pm

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Lee says...
Hi there.. please help!!
we have planted a panama red. It has taken off and now full of fruit. The problem is the fruit are saying green, then turning yellow shriveling and rotting then falling off the vine???? Thankyou.

Time: 27th February 2010 9:06am

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amanda says...
Hi Lee - got more info? How old is your vine, your soil type, watering frequency? etc
If it's full of fruit and a young vine - it may not be able to "support" all the fruit. Make sure the soil is moist for at least a meter radius out from the trunk. Give it a feed of seasol, cow or sheep poo and some trace elements now. It's about all u can do at this stage.
Is the actual vine healthy? Does any of the fruit have puncture marks?

Time: 27th February 2010 11:09am

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Jason says...
Went outside to look at the passionfruit vine yesterday and saw some flowers on the way.

Time: 27th February 2010 11:15pm

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amanda says...
Hey jason - out of interest - does your vine run north to south - or east to west?
What kind is it and how old?

I am really interested in this info...thanks!

Time: 27th February 2010 11:20pm

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Jason says...
Its in a large pot and growing up the side of a patio. Its prob 1 year old now (approx).

Its out the back and gets the afternoon sun. so facing west, if that helps.

Flowers are fantastic looking, almost fake.
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Jason says...
Sorry missed a bit, Nellie Kelly from Bunnings as a smallish pot, around $8
Looking at photos, must have been around Jan 2009. (so just over a year old)



Time: 28th February 2010 10:15pm

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amanda says...
Thanks Jason, I was just wondering if vines would be better running from north to south - as they would get morning and afternoon sun (bit hard in the suburbs I know)

Traditionally people seem to face them north (so they run east to west) which means they get less sun.
In a cooler climate I was thinking this could make a lot of difference to flowering etc.

As it's hotter up here - my vines started flowering some time ago. I have noticed a huge increase in flowers with the heatwave...they really like their heat and sun (panamas) but even the blacks are flowering again.

I am really interested in passionfruit as people seem to have some problems with them. Wouldn't it be great if vine orientation sorted most of them out..!?
I will keep researching ;-)

Time: 1st March 2010 10:03am

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Jason says...
...or with the success your having up there, we can send you our passionfuit vines and you can send us back boxes of fruit.

Time: 1st March 2010 10:40am

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amanda says...
Oh Jason... I wouldn't be able to part with the fruit! I rarely give away these and my spuds...they are just too good ;-)
I adore p'fruit and at $2 each in shop - it is my gardening mission to grow them well - hence my zeal!?

Time: 1st March 2010 10:44am

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amanda says...
Passionfruit heatwave response....thought some might be interested in this. The fruit formed during and after our heatwave (one week of 40+ temps and
These two fruit are sequential on the stem (one b4 and one after the heatwave) I was away for 4 days this weekend and they didn't get water. All seven vines have done this. I hope it helps someone.
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Time: 9th March 2010 7:36pm

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Tiggerbow says...
Hi All,
I have a passionfruit vine which is about 1 year old. It has grown very well, the trunk is getting thicker and the leaves lush and green. I was not expecting any flowers or fruit this year, but last night I found 2 open flowers and 2 closed flowers. I am pretty sure that this is the wrong time of the year for the vine to be flowering. I think it is because of the massive amount of rain we had on Monday and the humidity we have had every since. Does anyone think these flowers may turn into fruit?
Thanks !

Time: 26th March 2010 5:15pm

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Araich says...
March is the right time me thinks. Mine is still flowering and setting fruit.

Time: 26th March 2010 7:41pm

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amanda says...
Tiggerbow - Mine started flowering (again) after the rain too! Last year this vine flowered very late and carried the fruit thru' winter - with the majority ripening in spring (it's first year). Just up to the bees now...

Time: 27th March 2010 11:28am

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amanda says...
PS Tiggerbow....I picked this 2day! I couldn't wait for it to drop! It was superb....(same vine above - panama red seedling) good luck with yours!
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Time: 27th March 2010 2:48pm

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Tiggerbow says...
Thanks Amanda and Araich.
It is good news ! I just hope my flowers turn into fruit.
Tiggerbow

Time: 27th March 2010 8:30pm

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Keffufal says...
I have a passionfruit which I grew from seed and for long time it didn't even flower, finally now it has a lot of flowers but no fruit despite trying hand-pollination. The leaves and vines are growing like crazy up the trees, so I will have a go and try one (or more) of the 13 solutions I found have on this page! What I was wondering was whether I should just let the vine ramble wherever it wants, or would it be better to trim it back and make it more compact? I am ok with the birds getting some of the higher fruits that I can't reach as long as I get some of the lower fruits! Cheers Keffufal

Time: 23rd April 2010 4:03pm

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allan says...
I planted a banana and a big boppa yellow passion fruit in Nov 09 - bought them from Bunnings. Both vines doing very well - and started flowering this week.
The banana variety has an all pink flower and the big boppa yellow has a dark purple/white flower - heaps of them.
Flowering in late April - is that normal ?? It is now late April and getting cold. We do get frost in early spring. I had to pull out a Panama red and a Panama gold that I planted in late Jan 09 bcos the frost in aug/sept just about destroyed the young shoots and leaves. Like all seasonal fruits - I thought they would flower in early spring and not late autumn.
Any one has any previous experience with these varieties. All comments and advice - most welcome.

Time: 25th April 2010 9:34pm

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Armin says...
Alan your banana passionfruit (p.mollissima)should do well in Melboure since it is a cold climate variety.
The big big boppa sounds like it is p.flavicarpa (from your flower description) so you will have a real challenge getting fruit to mature in Melbourne since it is a real tropical variety.

Time: 25th April 2010 11:55pm

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allan says...
Thanks Amin, my main concern is whether it is the correct time/season for it to for flower. Rather odd for a plant to flower this time of the year. Thanks

Time: 26th April 2010 6:01pm

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amanda says...
Hi Allan - all my passionfruit vines are flowering happily - and so is my peach tree.... crazy juxtaposition but there u go. My panama red fully flowered in late autumn last yr and carried the green fruit thru till spring and then they ripened.
Don't worry - maybe we have mucking around so much with the breeding and selection of our plants they don't know what is normal anymore...or maybe it's the weather ;-)

I have 5 different varieties. Panamas are probably marginal for your climate. Better to go with "purples" - see if u can get a Sunshine Special also.

Time: 30th April 2010 11:14pm

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allan says...
Thanks Amanda. I am not hopeful that my passionfruit will hold its fruit thru the cold Melb winter. At least now I know that it is flowering out of season (and heaps of it too). Now I will just hope that when spring comes - it will bear flowers. This odd time flowering is too good to be true. Well my apricot and plum tress will flower in spring and most has lost all its leaves. Good luck to your peaches. My neighbour has a Nellie Kelly black - heaps of fruit but I find them too sour/tarty - even when plucked late and left to shrivel up. That is why I try to plant a different variety. It has thrived so far but whether it can withstand the cold winter is another matter. Time will tell. I got two fuyu persimmon trees - full of beautiful ripe fruits at the moment - about ten years old and a few hundred fruits. Thanks.

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amanda says...
Hi again Allan, passionfruit fruit on new growth so if u trim up your vine in spring u should get flowers again :)

Time: 1st May 2010 8:10pm

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allan says...
Thanks Amanda, I will trim the vines in late august

Time: 2nd May 2010 6:23pm

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Saftag says...
Hi All
I have a Daley's Misty Gem that is growing like mad and flowering ATM. Does anyone think it will fruit? I'd be amazed coz it's only been in the ground for a couple of months. Its sister is progressing slowly but surely as are the red and yellow panamas but this one has grown like wild fire. It's hit the head of it's 6ft trellis and keeps spreading branches? all over the place. I don't really want to cut it back (although I think it needs it) coz I want to see what fruit I get.

Time: 11th May 2010 1:18pm

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peter says...
hi saftag,
passionfriut fruit on new growth so i
would leave it until spring then
cut it back.

if you are in adelaide would you be interested in selling/swapping
some cuttings of the misty gem.

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Christina says...
My purple passionfruit vine, purchased at the local market 5 years ago, is still going strong and doing wonderfully.
It didn't produce many fruit over summer but now,late in Autumn,is laden with dozens and dozens of large, green healthy fruit.
My concern is that this late in the season, with the cooler weather and less warm sunlight,the fruit may not ripen.
Can anyone tell me whether this late crop is likely to ripen or will it sadly remain green?
We get cool winters here but no frost.

Thanks.

Time: 18th May 2010 12:42pm

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ruffwood says...
Food, food and more food. They are voracious feeders. If you can bury some bone dust or some such about 2 ft down and about 2 ft from the stem of your plant. It will go crazy. I met someone who buried their cat ( no offense intended here ) near their passion fruit vine unintentionally and the damn thing has produced 100s of fruit. Also, bees, put lots of flowers around the vine, I planted nasturtiums coz they are hardy, cheap and edible and the bees love em. More bees = more fruit.

Time: 26th May 2010 12:40pm

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John Mc says...
Hey Christina,
With the cooler weather comming on they probably won't ripen now but they will stay on the vine and ripen when it warms up again.

Time: 26th May 2010 6:16pm

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Christina says...
Thanks for the replies.

I have noticed that a few otherwise healthy green fruit are now dropping off - any way of preventing this?

Hope the rest don't follow suit as it would be such a waste!
The vine tends to yellow and lose a lot of its leaves in winter also.

Thanks.

Time: 27th May 2010 2:23pm

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Rhys says...
I'm in much the same situation as you Christina. Except in my case, i only bought the plant in November, and wasn't expecting it to flower until next spring, but it really took off and covered it's trellis, and then put some flowers out in about March, and nice, green fruit soon followed, and there are probably close to 50 on the vine. I have had two ripen so far, and quite a few others are turning purple, but i think it is slowing down due to the cold weather so it will be interesting to see what happens over winter. I'll try and remember to post back with progress, and i'd be interested to hear how you go as well.

Time: 27th May 2010 5:58pm

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amanda says...
Hi Christina, it has cooled right down here at night and my vines are dropping most of the newly formed fruit (only) - the large green fruit are fine and the odd one may ripen thru winter then rest in spring.

The fruit that are dropping - are they the small new one's? Are they sort of wrinkly?
If it's the big one's then ruffwoods suggestion the go - give it some food - something liquid will work fast and then something slow release. I just gave mine some miracle grow and a half barrow load of pig manure as it is loaded - both with fruit and leaves. It takes a lot for a plant to sustain such vigorous growth.
I have cut back on the water a bit too now - but check the top soil - as they have very shallow surface feeder roots - they shouldn't dry out.

Time: 28th May 2010 9:47am

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Christina says...
Hi Ryhs,

Interesting to hear about your passionfruit vine and how it's going because you're just down the road from me!
Wow! Yours really has taken off in a very short time - I wouldn't have expected flowers or fruit till next season either!

Mine is a Norfolk Black, growing along our east-facing back fence. It really doesn't get full sun, as we back onto the national park with tall trees overhanging,as well as a ridgeline, so the vine is in shade for at least some of the day.

As you would know, we've had about 10 days of almost non-stop rain and cloudy days where we haven't seen the sun much at all!

With the lack of sun and warmth,all the fruit are really green with not a hint of ripening.5 months is a long time for them to last like this on the vine!

Anyway, let me know how yours go and if they last the winter.

Time: 28th May 2010 12:23pm

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Christina says...
Hi Amanda,

Thanks for the info. I will try feeding my vine with some liquid Thrive and then some cow manure. Or is chicken poo better?
I guess blood and bone would be fine as well?

No, the couple of fruit that have fallen off so far are large,fully formed ,green and smooth - no wrinkles at all.

We have had an awful lot of rain and some of the leaves are yellowing and falling off. I've noticed that the vine does tend to die back a fair bit in winter.

We have many many bees in our garden as there is a wild beehive in the gumtree hollow in the national park just over the fence.

Time: 28th May 2010 12:34pm

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amanda says...
Hi Christina, all of those fine. Maybe the vine has had too much water..? They don't like soggy feet. U can get a cheap moisture probe from Bunnings for $10 - they work quite well. I use them a lot for my vines.

My panama red held a big crop thru winter last yr (we don't get frost either) and they ripened in spring.

I have lost the odd normal looking fruit too, lately. I know the vine is not wanting for anything - so I have put it down to the sudden cold at night. My vines are in full sun until late afternoon. I also give my vines trace elements every month or so. Good luck...! If it decides to drop them there probably isn't much more u can do that I can think of :-(

Time: 30th May 2010 11:46am

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Richard says...
Hi Amanda, looking at your pic you must be the Amanda who won the Daleys gardening contest. I loved the pics and all the varieties you're growing. Well done! Can you tell me if passionfruit are supposed to lose all their leaves in Winter? I've been picking some Panama Red through Autumn but now it's losing all its leaves although I have a lot of good size green fruit still hanging on it.
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Time: 31st May 2010 10:34am

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amanda says...
Hi Richard - no I don't think that's normal - passionfruit are not deciduous. They may loose a few leaves and look a bit yellow n sad over a cool winter - but shouldn't drop them all. It's strange that your fruit is staying on (so far).

Have u done anything to it lately? eg: a lot of chemical fertiliser? Turned off the retic for winter?

Has this happened to it before? Pan reds are not the best choice for cool climates - where are u? Can u post a pic of the leaves for us to look at? Are they normal looking? Have you checked for collar rot and sub soil sogginess? Is it grafted? Sorry about all the questions - but this is like detective work sometimes!? :-)

Thanks for the encouragement BTW. I got a prize for my edibles page - not my garden though. My garden doesn't look as great as some of the others, but my conditions are not great either and I am chuffed that it's come this far at least!?

At the least the wind and salinity keeps my trees smallish for easy picking etc, tho' .. :-))))

Time: 31st May 2010 9:29pm

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Richard says...
Hi Amanda,

Thanks for all the questions! lol Yeah, had a Pan Red before and same thing happened. I'm in Belrose (Outer Northern Sydney suburb) It is grafted but you may be onto something with the sogginess. My place is on the low end of a sloping street and I cop a lot of moisture because the topsiol is very thin on a clay base. So that might be it.

Anyway I'll try and get a pic in the next few days and post it as well. Thanks again!

Cheers
Richard

Time: 1st June 2010 10:45am

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Richard says...
Hi Amanda,

Here are some 'happy snaps" of my unhappy passionfruit. Sad little thing really! What do you reckon, doc?

Cheers
Richard
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Time: 3rd June 2010 10:07am

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amanda says...
Hi Richard, I am going to answer you in Passion Fruit PART 2 - I am having trouble loading the page as the topic is too long for me on dial up.

Time: 3rd June 2010 7:00pm

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linda says...
I have two vines doing nothing and a friend said all you need to do is have your husband urinate on it once a day and that reminded me that my old dad used to do that and his vine was always loaded with big full fruit.So sent hubby to do his thing 3 weeks ago and hello my vines are loaded with flowers .Will be interesting to see if they set with the fruit .
cheers Linda

Time: 12th June 2010 10:40am

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Rhys says...
Said i'd post back with an update, so here goes...the fruit that set in autumn, are slowly but surely ripening. I don't have any previous experience to compare it to, but i reckon they are ripening more slowly than they would if it was warmer. The fruit have tasted great, apart from two which i think blew off the vine before they were ready. They seem to have quite a thick pith, and i'm not sure if this is because of the cold, the particular variety, or some other reason, but it hasn't affected taste so i'm not too bothered by it. I have now had over 1kg of fruit, and if you want to follow its progress you can do so here:

http://myfolia.com/plantings/145021-black-passionfruit-passiflora-edulis

Time: 13th June 2010 8:32pm

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