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Has anyone had much to do with the Pinkabelle apple tree? i have become very interested in them since seeing them on better homes and gardens and in several magazines.

Are they low chill? Has anyone tasted one? if you have, how do they compare to your regular pinklady apple?

Thanks.



Time: 21st June 2007 8:21pm

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Anonymous says...
On the gardening show they said it is the pink lady apple...on a dwarf stock
...I grow the normal pink lady...my favourite apple and it had it's first fruit after 5 years last year...it is a strong hardy tree.The gardeners on the radio were full of praise for the Pinkabelle and they require the same conditions as the normal pink lady...I hope that helps


Time: 30th June 2007 8:12am

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Peter Allen says...
web searchs say this is pink lady on a dwarf roostock other say it s a pink lady type dwarf apple growing 2m h x 1m wide.
you can graft normal Pinklady or any other apple on dwarf rootstock say M9 and it will stay small , even varieties with T3 vigour should stay under 2.4mtr.
even smaller if you can get hold of some M27.
These will all grow in a pot or will need a stake in very windy exposed sites.
My Blenheim Orange on M9 has not been watered since the day after i planted it and produces 55kg of large apples each year, after 10 years it is still only 2mtr high.
you can learn to graft and get dwarf trees at free grafting workshops in Vic see www.heritagefruits.org for locations
cheers "Peter the Permie"

Time: 30th June 2007 9:15am

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Correy says...
The pinkabelle for best results requires you to grow a granny smith as well. It is for temperate climates so you may be right in gympie.

If you check out Daleys Apple Tree Page. you will find information on the Pinkabelle and also there is a Dwarf Pink Lady. I would say that they are very similar except the Pinkabelle has been trademarked hence it costs $34 instead of just $22.75 for the normal dwarf pink lady.
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Time: 30th June 2007 10:13am

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melissa says...
Yes I have heard the same thing about Lotsa Lemons too.I grow the pink lady and have no Granny Smith but it must have crossed with the crabapple ...because it did fruit which was a surprise as I was off to buy a Granny Smith....and found it was ok without it.

Time: 30th June 2007 11:58am

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Peter Allen says...
dont go and buy a granny smith just for pollination there are hundreds of apples that will pollinate a Pink lady, one othe way is to graft one small branch of granny to the pink lady tree. you only need a small peice of scion wood, a knife and tape. do it between now and end of Aug while its dormant.

Time: 30th June 2007 6:42pm

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melissa says...
Thanks Peter great idea! :^)

Time: 1st July 2007 11:07am

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caitlin says...
will my pinkabelle fruit without another apple tree in the yard?

Time: 2nd July 2007 1:53pm

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Kath says...
I spoke to our supplier of the Pinkabelle apples today and they tell me it will set on its own although they will produce more fruit if they are cross pollinated with either another Pinkabelle or a suitable pollinator, which is any apple that will pollinate a pink lady. I am waiting to hear back on the chill requirements for the Pinkabelle.

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Melissa says...
The gardening program said that Pinkabelle is "pink lady" grafted onto dwarfing rootstock...so would'nt that mean whatever pink lady needs for chill would be the same....my pink lady set fruit in quite a warm situation.Hope that helps :)

Time: 5th July 2007 6:44pm

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Trevor says...
I've got a dwarf Jonathon and Granny Smith, and would love to graft some Pink Lady onto the Jonathon. Where can I buy some cuttings, pls?

Time: 22nd July 2007 9:45pm

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Anonymous says...
Trevor you could come to a Heritage Fruits Group grafting day, a peice of scion will cost $1 with about 86 vars including Pink lady to get there.
see www.petethepermie.com for locations throughout melb from this sunday and all aug all 1-4pm
cheers peter

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Craig Perring says...
Hi all,

My name is Craig Perring and i work for PlantNet, the company that is selling the Pinkabelle apple.
I am sorry that i did not see this post earlier as i could have helped a few people by the sounds of it.
The first point i would like to make is that is a dwarfing tree NOT on a dwarfing rootstock as per other "dwarf varieties". It is fact on 106 rootstock which is considered to be vigourous (some are on Nothern Spie rootstock too).
The apples are full size and are, and taste wise are the same as Pink lady apples. The only difference that we have found is that they crop approximately 2 weeks before a normal Pink Lady. The taste is beautiful (admittedly i am a bit bias as Pink Ladies are my favourite apple). I think the apples are tiny bit bigger too (may need glasses?), although that comes down to my own judgement.
Pinkabelle is partially self fertile, but benefits from cross pollination - i.e. it will set fruit if have one tree, it will set more fruit if you have two and will set an abundance of fruit if you have a cross pollinator. There are many pollinators - most of which come in a dwarf form (i.e grafted on a dwarf stock) such as granny smith, gala varieties, red delicious, crab apple and others - as long as it is flowering at the same time as Pinkabelle. Grannies are being recommended as a good cross simply as they are a longer flowering apple than most and cover early and mid season apples (and even some later fruiting varieties).
Pinkabelle is a temperate apple which equates to chilling hours as about medium chill.
Pinkabelle is different to normal dwarf Pink Lady apples due to its form - as mentioned it is a dwarfing tree not on dwarfing rootstock. It is a spur bearing apple, partially self fertile, fruits approximately 2-3 weeks earlier, been proven in a pot, heavy cropper (once mature and it is being cross pollinated you can expect up to approximately 35-40kg of fruit) - the price tag being heavier does not come down being trademarked. Pinkabelle is PBRed and therefore royalties to the owners of Pinkabelle have to be paid which drives the price up.
I hope this helps with some of your questions and i am happy to answer more if anyone would like more information.
cheers,
Craig Perring
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Time: 30th July 2007 5:38pm

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Anonymous says...
Thanks Craig for that info it does help to get the true information, being a PVR tree we wont do them at our heritage grafting days but I would like to know the Pollination number Ie. F15 as per the " book of apples" so we can help people with Pollinators when they ask, also is it a Diploid.
How tall do you think it will get on MM106.
cheers Pete the permie

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Craig Perring says...
Hi again,

In response to Pete the Permie's comments, please see below:

Pinkabelle is a diploid and any pollinator suitable for Pink Lady will work for Pinkabelle. I do not have access to the "Book of Apples", so i can not comment on the Pollination Number. (see PDF chart attached)

On a MM 106 or Northern Spy rootstock Pinkabelle will get to approximately 2 metres tall. (see attached image of owner/breeders with a 7 year old field grown tree - the tree is planted on a mound, but it bascially stands at 2 mts)

A few extra comments on the difference between Pinkabelle (being a naturally occuring dwarf tree) and other apple varieties grown on dwarfing rootstocks:

Pinkabelle is propagated on strong rootstocks which means it will have have far less problems with pests and disease. The MM series, including Northern Spy are resistant to attacks from woolly aphids and soil pathogens and will tolerate a wider range of soil types than standard trees on dwarf stocks.

Strong stocks have better drought tolerance and require less water and have no need for support.

The spur growth habit of Pinkabelle on a strong rootstock means a robust compact fruitful tree that needs minimal to no pruning - unless you are trying to achieve a specific shape!

As Pete has correctly pointed out - being a PBR protected variety means you can not propagate this variety under PBR laws. For more info on PBR laws you can visit this site:
http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pbr/index.shtml

I hope this helps with some more of the enquiries in this forum. I would be happy to answer any further queries about Pinkabelle, so please do not hesitate to contact me on (02) 9838 1909.

regards,
Craig Perring
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Trevor says...
Thanks, I sourced some Pink Lady cuttings, and will be grafting this weekend. I've got grafting tape, do I need to use grafting wax also, or is a mud mix like on Vasili's garden ok, pls?

Time: 1st August 2007 10:49pm

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ben silver says...
Apples are so forgiving that you can use either or none but more demanding fruit eg persimmons ,I would use wax . There is talk that you can introduce infection to the wound but that may be just talk

Time: 2nd August 2007 9:21am

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Melissa says...
Someone told me that you can grow persimmons from cuttings ...but that can't be right surely....anyone heard of that?

Time: 7th August 2007 1:01pm

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Trevor says...
Thanks, Ben. I just used a cleft graft, a sharp knife, and grafting tape in the end - looks ok. Also got keen and grafted some Tahitian lime cuttings onto a Eureka lemon - it will be interestin to see how this goes too.

Time: 7th August 2007 8:51pm

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bodile says...
Hello, I am interested in your variety show(varieties) of apples! In France, we have no pink lady on sale for paticulier. Nor Cam

Time: 27th October 2007 4:47pm

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Jenny says...
Hi, I Bought male and female pinkabelle plants last winter which have flowered and borne what I think are baby pinkabelles. The fruit does not seem to be developing well and is now falling off. I water everyday. Does anyone know why this is happening? Thanks


Time: 31st October 2007 10:49am

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Kath says...
This is common with young trees as they are not large enough to hold the fruit, they abort the fruit so they can put their energy into growing.

Time: 1st November 2007 5:11am

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Samantha says...
Hi, I'm so glad to have found this thread, and thanks to all for the great info. I bought my pinkabelle last week and it's flowering beautifully. I'm just wondering how long between flower and fruit appearing. Some of the flowers are starting to die off and I'm wondering how long before fruit will appear.

Time: 3rd November 2007 7:42pm

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Bob says...
When is plants plus releasing new trees?

The pinkabelle rocks and we want more !

Bob

Time: 8th January 2008 4:13pm

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Craig Perring says...
HI Bob,

Glad you like the Pinkabelle. The company that released it is PlantNet - the reason i know is because i work for PlantNet!!

We are releasing a new "donut peach" this winter so keep you eyes peeled. I am hoping Plants Plus will stock them as they did with our Pinkabelle.

Take this as a scoop regarding the Donut Peach as we have not made any announcements as yet and will more than likely launch the donut peach in April, as we did with the Pinkabelle last year.

It is a sweet white fleshed donut shaped peach. Very sweet. Only grows to 3m and if you really wanted to you could put it in a pot (would have to be a large pot), although we recommend it goes in the ground, however i am going to put one in large pot myself to see how it goes. It is 100% self pollinating and like Pinkabelle will only be released in limited numbers for the first year. More info to come.....

I have attached the label, and as i say, take this as a first as no-one has seen this label except us and the printers!

We will be updating our website soon with more information, images and of course stockists.

Little note for Samantha regarding flowering - Fruit should already be visible. Fruit matures around April (ANZAC dayish). If there is no fruit do not stress as all fruit trees when young can take a season or two to fruit. Although partially self fertile Pinkabelle will do better with a cross pollinator (see Daley's website!) and increase the chance of more fruit. We can certainly help Daley's obtain (in Winter) some of the dwarf cross pollinators such as dwarf granny smiths and dwarf crab apples if they are low on stock.

Hope this helps. feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.

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Bob says...
Can you line up some dwarf polinators for WA?

We can't import apple trees.

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Leona says...
I have a Pinkabelle, with flowers...I am hoping my Ballerinas will pollinate it. I have Anna and Dorsett but they are not suitable pollinators apparently.

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Bob says...
Anna and Dorset being low chill early
flowerers, flower too early but otherwise are compatible with pinkabelle.

Mine had fruit in the nursery when I bought it, so have to wait til next year to see if it will fruit.

Time: 5th February 2008 11:55am

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Correy says...
Hi Bob:
1. Regarding "full size tree to pollinate"

There are many dwarf apple trees that will happily pollinate the Pinkabelle. For example Daleys recommends on the pinkabelle web-page the dwarf granny smith because it is known to flower for a long time.

Also up the top of this forum page you are reading there is a pdf attachment from one of Craig's comments dated 1st August 2007 which includes an exhaustive list of pollinators.

2. Regarding being: completely non self fertile

I believe that the marketing is clear that it is partially self fertile. I think it is great that although you won't get as big a crop you can still get some apples perhaps when it is older even without another apple tree in site. I think it is great to inform customers like they have: "Pinkabelle

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Bob says...
Yes, but us poor buggers in WA can't
get the dwarf apples.

Time: 5th February 2008 4:16pm

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Elizabeth says...
Bob, can you get Flemings plants anywhere in Perth? Flemings has a dwarf Gala tree (which I bought a few months ago to go with my Pinkabelle).

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Leona says...
I know what you mean Bob, apart from the Pinkabelle, all I have managed to get hold of, in the way of dwarf apple trees, are the Anna and Dorsett...and they were from Wondawest, which is now closed. I suspect it would cost a fortune to get only one or two trees sent over now because of the spraying etc.

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Bob says...
Apple trees have to spend 2 years in a quarantine glasshouse. Costs about 200
bucks per tree.

I have asked every nursrey in Perth for dwarf trees, Olea in Manjimup, might be doing some next season then it's 2 years
til they are ready to sell ( 1 year for the rootstock and 1 year for the graft to grow). Ohh, yeah you have to buy 25 trees per order miniumum, as they are wholesale only.

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Bob says...
Flemings won;t sell the apples as they are not allowed in. They license the ballerinas to Olea Nsy for growing but they are not very nice to eat I'm told and need lotsa chill.

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Leona says...
Far out Bob, you sure have done your homework LOL. As far as Ballerinas go, I have three (well, now two actually). My Bolero died in this recent hot weather unfortunately but my two Maypoles are doing very well and are currently fruiting...although you are correct, they are not very nice to eat, being crab apples. The Bolero did taste quite nice though. I was worried that I would not get enough chill hours (I live near the coast) but I havent had a problem with them flowering and fruiting.

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Anonymous says...
Bob & Leona,
Wow, Pinkabelle must have gone to a lot of trouble to be available for sale in WA considering most other apples aren't.

WA quarantine officials use this reasoning why they have strict conditions regarding apple tree quarantine:

"... Western Australia is the only region free of both apple scab and codling moth.... One of our inspectors will never forget an orchard owner crying on his shoulder as they watched the orchard go up in flames."
http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/content/pw/q/QFruit_DLsheet.pdf

If you are passionate about this it might be best to contact W.A Quarantine with your concerns or even your local member of parliment to get the laws relaxed for backyard orchardists like yourself.

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Bob says...
They had no probs, as Pinkabelle was invented in WA down Manji way.

It was a sport found in a large pink
lady orchard.

Thus, we actually sent you eastern types the plants.

Time: 6th February 2008 2:27pm

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Correy says...
I would be interested to know the finer details of how the pinkabelle apple tree was developed if you knew?

Time: 6th February 2008 5:39pm

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Bob says...
As far as I know it was not developed but found in an orchard by a smart orchardist who noticed the stunted growth of one particular plant.

Nearly 100 percent of trees are on MM106 so the difference would have been noticeable.

I think the smart bit was recognising it as a bud sport and not a sick tree needing pulling out.

Bob

PS I helped Cripps breed the original pink lady and Sundowner at Stoneville RS.

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Liz says...
We bought 2 pinkabelle apple trees Last year after reading an article in the paper. Cost $40ea. They were just a stick and through summer have flourished. There are 2 apples on 1 tree. Jenny of Sydney 31st October said she bought a male and female. How do you tell that especially when they are a stick and is it imperative that they be male and female when you only have 2 pinkabelles because from what I've read on here, living in Perth I'm going to have buckleys of getting a good pollinator.

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Bob says...
There is no such thing as male and female. Check out woodbridge fruit trees website for a good article on pollination.

I paid $50 each from Waldecks.

Cincture the trunk above the buds to make it into a fluffy stick with more fruiting.

Time: 19th February 2008 12:14pm

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Liz says...
Thanks for that info Bob. Haven't had any luck seeing the pollination article at Woodbridge Fruit Trees website. Is it possible to talk to you by phone since we both live in Perth. If so I'm happy to put my mobile number on here and if you were willing to give me your mobile or private number, you could call me to give me your number and I would call you straight back.
Thanks,

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aNON says...
http://www.woodbridgefruittrees.com.au/resources/Articles/Cross%20Pollination.pdf

Time: 28th February 2008 11:00am

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aNON says...
www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/horticulture/pomes/apples/crabapple-pollinators

Time: 28th February 2008 11:18am

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aNON says...
Hows that LZ?

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Valerie Son says...
I am so excited about this new tree and would appreciate so much some advice.

I grew up in Northern California where I could literally walk out into my backyard and pick any variety of fruit. Maybe its my version of a mid-life, but I am wanting very much to go back to that lifestyle. We are looking at a piece of property where we can grow many trees (zone 7/8-north of Dallas). It has a gradual slope down one side (with a large pond). It also has a very large flatter area on top.

Because pinkabelle's grow so well in this zone, I was wondering if you had any advice on where to plant a small orchard (on slope?). Where to get the best (strongest-most resistant) trees and should I have any concerns planting them alongside (or below) a peach orchard?

Thank you and I am so excited to hear back!!
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aNON says...
This is an aussie site, you would ahve to ask a lot of those questions in the USA.

Time: 29th February 2008 11:51am

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www.davewilson.com is the best site in USA for your needs.

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Stuart says...
Hi,
I've seen that Granny Smith and Crab Apple are suitable pollinators for the Pinkabelle. When and how long does the Crab Apple flower for compared to the Granny Smith? We don't have a lot of room in our garden. I'd like to go with the Crab Apple just for variety but if it's flowering time is a lot less than the Granny Smith I'll probably go with the Granny Smith to maximise fruiting on the Pinkabelle.

Some more questions.
How long would a Pinkabelle usually take to bear fruit?

What's the best climate and planting position for the Pinkabelle? I live in Brisbane.

Time: 11th March 2008 7:47pm

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aNON says...
Pinkabelle can fruit on 1 year tissue but more likely on spurs 2 years or older.

I think Brissy would be too warm but the sellers reckon its a goer there.

Time: 12th March 2008 2:47pm

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Sophie says...
Hi there, I have just bought a pinkabelle apple tree and I am after tips on actually planting the tree. ie, should I put some sort of fertilser in when I plant it and if so what sort etc.

Time: 17th March 2008 2:24pm

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Anonymous says...
hello sophie. first the whole needs to be about a meter square dug to about 2 inches above the root line. the loosen all that area up. deep water it let it soak place the tree in the middle and file in. Resoak the whole and do this every 3 days for 2 weeks. you can put some seasol at the begining. after 2 weeks use a fruit fertizer. never use fertilizer with a fresh planted tree.

Time: 17th March 2008 3:05pm

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I agree, anybody that recomends fert in the hole is nuts, it may work for some but most just burn the fresh roots you were supposed to be helping.

Time: 17th March 2008 3:19pm

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Sophie says...
Thankyou very much, much appreciated it doesnt have any special instructions on the plants tag about planting.

Time: 17th March 2008 3:27pm

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Sophie says...
Also it has been extremly hot here in SA will it be okay if I plant it out in the garden now? We finally have a cool change about to come through now!!!

Time: 17th March 2008 8:45pm

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aNON says...
Get it in ASAP, roots grow better in ground than pot, that way it's settled before winter.

Extra water if hot in a trough around plant.

Time: 18th March 2008 12:52pm

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Sophie says...
Thanks aNON, yeh thats what I figured I planted it out today with your planting instructions. Lets hope we get some apples in the near future!!!

Time: 18th March 2008 7:55pm

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aNON says...
Dudes, great news. Ladybug garden centre has heaps of pinkabelles left in stock, they did not have the flashy promotional signs like Waldecks, so looks like the public was not aware how good they are.

They are on Albany Hwy, Maddington, WA.

They are also $10 cheaper than anybody else!

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Libby says...
I just bought 2 apple trees from Bunnings Auburn in Sydney. They are pink lady n golden delicous n they came from flemings nursery. Unfortunately, when I contacted Flemings, I was told that I need a granny smith or a red fuji for cross pollination. So does anyone know how I can get cuttings to graft them in?

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Liz says...
Libby, As far as I know you just need to get a Granny Smith tree and plant it. I wouldn't think you need to graft. I am no expert, just learnt things on here. Bob is the expert. He'll probably tell you. He is very helpful. I also have a query for anyone who may know. Our 2 pinkabelles are in pots, one is in a bigger pot than the other and consequently is a bit bigger than the other tree but the smaller one has 2 apples on it. We are going to get some half beer barrels to plant them in. Would that be the best and can someone tell me when to transfer them. Do we need to wait till all the leaves are off? We live in Perth. Thankyou to all the people who help out people like me who don't know much about growing fruit trees.

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LZ

Transfer in winter like you would
plant
a bare root tree.

Bash off lots of dirt and replace with new soil. ie almost bare root it again.

Potting mix goes stale after a while, sounds drastic but is the good info.

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Joe says...
I have just purchased a pinkabelle apple tree, I was wanting to know how long it takes before it starts to set fruit as my 3 year old daughter keeps asking me??? I have planted it directly into the ground and I live in melbourne. Please help me!!!!

Time: 16th April 2008 4:37pm

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It will flower in spring and fruit in April (late) or May (early).

Hopefully you have a pollinator nearby.

Time: 16th April 2008 5:12pm

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Joe says...
Hello. I was just wandering if there was any difference between the apple "Delicious" and "Red Delicious" as I have found a "Delicious" tree at my local market. I want to use it as the pollinator to my pinkabelle, will this work??????

Time: 21st April 2008 9:57am

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Also, is it recommended to graft a cutting from a granny smith or a red delicious onto the pinkabelle???? Can anyone suggest any good sites on learning how to graft??? Thanks


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Craig Perring, PlantNet says...
Hi all,

My name is Craig Perring and i am from PlantNet, the company that brings you Pinkabelle.

Sorry about the lack of correspondence of late. I have not been blogging since January, but have not been too concerned as Bob seems to be steering the Pinkabelle ship in the right direction with regard to queries. There is a few questions that I want to answer and few comments to clarify. I have covered most topics listed here, but If i have not addressed your issue it means Bob has already correctly answered it!!

* Wandilla Nursery (4th Feb post by Bob) have got it wrong regarding pollination. Pinkabelle IS partially self fertile, but will benefit from cross pollination. This means if you have one Pinkabelle you get small amounts of fruit i.e. a couple - if you have a cross pollinator (granny smith, crab apple etc) you will get an abundance of fruit compared to if you don't have a cross pollinator. Im not sure what Wandilla are basing their assumptions on. Wandilla should also be telling their clients that most fruit trees will take a few years to set their first crop so not to panic if there is no fruit in the first year. I know many people who have bought Pinkabelle's last year (would have bought a 2 year old tree) and got fruit. On trials conducted, we have averaged 9-10kg of fruit on a three year old trees - this is in an orchard where the NEAREST pollinator (a fuji in this case) is 100 metres away. In other words it is in a low pollination area. Fruit amounts will increase each year as the plant matures. The lady at Wandilla should also note to her customers that being in WA is different to other states as there is a lack of dwarf varieties - only in WA - and at no stage has our marketing even suggested that "Customers have to purchase a full size tree to pollinate Pinkabelle". All we are saying and all our marketing says is that it benefits from cross pollination. What size trees people buy is up to them! I would not call it silly marketing, i would call it unfortunate that WA does not have access to the range if trees we have in the eastern states. Apart from all else i have not had any contact from Wandilla to clarify any questions they may have had regarding Pinkabelle which is disappointing as they are mis-informing their customers.

* With reagrd to pollination check out my post from 1st August 2007. There is a pollination chart there which will show you which apples are available to cross pollinate Pinkabelle's. Pinkabelle is a mid season flowering apple so there is plenty of varieties (many which do come in dwarf form)to choose from - except of course in WA, where there are limited varieties for the home gardener. Always ask your local nursery to order particular plants in for you if they are not on the shelf or you can not source them anywhere else. Many nurseries put their deciduous plant orders in now (and through the earlier months of the year) so if you want a dwarf granny, dwarf crab apple or similar now is the time to mention it to your nursery so they can get one in for you. Winter may be too late as many dwarf forms sell out from the wholesaler early in the peace. I have just checked with one of our nurseries (wholesaler) that he has 7 dwarf apple varieties (Golden delicious, Red Delicious, Red Fuji, Pink Lady all of which have sold out and Jonathon (60 left), Gala (40 left) and Granny Smith (45 left)). So to avoid disappointment get in now and reserve whatever dwarf plants you may want as these plants are becoming more popular and move through the retial nurseries fairly fast. Another good tip is if you are unsure of which pollinator to buy for your area make sure you pop into a nursery at the same time your Pinkabelle is flowering and pick a variety that is flowering at the same time!

* To answer Bob's question YES - we can line up some dwarf pollinators in WA and are in the process of doing so. As you know plants do take time to propagate and grow so it is still some time away but it will happen!! Like all things in the garden, patience is a virtue! As we are able to discuss this more we will certainly post some information about it. One thing for certain for WA gardeners is you will not have to buy 25 trees from Olea Wholesale Nursery as these trees will be made available to the public and should be available in most nurseries - if not all - where Pinkabelle is sold.

* For those interested in how Pinkabelle was dicsovered, Bob was right in saying it was discovered as a sport. For those of you who think i am talking about a game of some sort i will explain what a sport is, with the help of the Royal Horticulural Society www.rhs.org.uk ): "A sport is a spontaneous mutation from the plant that bears it, differing in one or more characteristics. It might have a different flower colour, double instead of single blooms, variegated instead of all-green leaves or a dwarf habit, ...."
If you look at my post at the top of the blog (August 1 2007) you will see a picture of the clever apple orchardists who discovered Pinkabelle (in 1999) as a sport in their orchard. They are based in Donnybrook. The tree they are standing next to is 6 years old in this photo and averages about 20kg of fruit each year.
You may be wondering why it has taken 9 years to get to your garden centre? It is because we have to trial and test the trees to see what characteristics have mutated, such as pollination issues(which i touched on above), size of trees, fruit maturity etcetc. We have to do this so we know what we are talking about when we sell and market our products to retail nurseries, their customers and people on blogs!

* To Stuart in Brissy. We have stated that Pinkabelle will only grow in temperate regions. good examples of this are toowoomba, stanthorpe parts of western Brisbane. Depending where you are located in brissy will depend on the succcess of your Pinkabelle. I would be interested to find out more and to see how it goes. All retail nurseries we have sold Pinkabelle trees to, in what we would consider non temperate regions, we have made sure that they understand that there is a risk that the tree may not fruit for some of their customers depending on where they lived....having said all that. Many people i have spoken too in Brisbane are keen to take the risk and give it a go anyway "to see how it goes"!! With regard to your other questions - you should get fruit any time from the 2nd year. Granny Smiths are good pollinators as their flowering period is longer than most other apples, however it comes down to personal choice as to what you like. In terms of helping Pinkabelle fruit there is probably no difference. Both are very suitable for Pinkabelle pollinators.

* Valerie in the US - Pinkabelle has been sent to the USA and i am 99% certain it has just been release from quarantine over there. The best person to speak to is Lynnell Brandt. He will be able to tell you about the development status at the moment. Contact him through this website: http://www.ewbrandt.com/contact-us.htm
With reagrd to your other questions. Planting on a slope if fine. Planting next to a peach orchard will have no detrimental effect on your apple orchards. Many apple orchardists in Australia grow some sort of stone fruit too. You will limited where you will be able to get your trees from as we have restricted who is allowed to grow Pinkabelle outside of Australia. Lynnell will be able to supply you the best and "strongest-most resistant" trees in the USA, but i dare say that is a few years away as yet as budwood numbers would be very limited at the present time.

I hope this answers all questions. Sorry it is such a long winded post - it wil teach me to not leave it so long next time. Any other questions please feel free to contact me direct on (02) 9838 1909 or continue to run them through this Daley's forum so everybody can learn. Our website www.plantnet.com.au ) is currently being updated with some new information - with pollination being included in that - as it seems an area of confusion for some people who are new to fruit growing. Website should be finalised by mid May with an updated list of stockists.

Cheers,
Craig Perring
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aNON says...
That Craig's a helpful guy.

Bring on the dwarf granny smith pollinator, and I will be absolutley set.

My Pinkabelle trees are absolute ball tearers, they are big thick and bushy.

I am not sure of the rootstock but they
are very vigourous (read helathy) for a
dawrf plant if that makes sense.


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aNON says...
Craig

Here is what gardeners want

Dwarf cherry on gisela 5 or zee stem interstock

Low chill cherry eg Royal Lee % Minnie Royal.

Dwarf Apricot eg genetic dwarf or Pumiselect or pixy rootstock.

Dwarf peaches/nectarines that fruit earlier or later than pixzee/nectazee we want a mini orchard that fruits over an extended period. eg www.davewilson.com vaieties.

I realise a lot aof the above are pateneted to others but ANFIC or bradfords copy whatever Zaiger release within a year or two, so you should be able to do the same or get the wholsale nursery to grow them and you sell them eg Flemings ahave a 50 tree min order.



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Peter the permie says...
Hi this list seems to be going in a circle,if you go back to the start of the thread you will see that any apple can be dwafted by using the right rootstock, most apple in nurseries are on "Granny smith seedling" and have the potential to grow to 6m high x 6 m wide. by putting any variety on say M9 you can keep it to 1.8m and plant them 1 m apart ( a stake or wire is best as it has a small root system) this one is idea for pots, M26 will make it about 2- 2.4 m high and does not need a stake, then MM102 or MM106 give more height and vigour say for espaliers plus are better for multiple grafts on the same tree. the size of fruit is not affected but with smaller trees there is less pruning, easy to net and more variety can be grown in the same space. our Heritage fruits group has 419 apple vars with 620 still avail in Vic. have a go and put a polinator on you Pinkabelle yourself go back to the PDF supplied earlier by Craig out of "all about apples" book and try something different. a piece of scion still only costs $1 at our grafting days in Vic this winter you can find them on www.heritagefruits.org you can also contact Harry from SA rare fruits society they also run grafting days in SA, we will have similar groups in NSW & WA this year and we are about to launch the Heritage Fruits society in Vic late in May check our website for details www.petethepermie.com

I would suggest we probably have 100+ vars to pollinate your Pinkabelle tree.
cheers peter

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aNON says...
Pete

Totall irrelvant comment.

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Andrew Britton says...
Hi Craig,

I live on the south coast of NSW and I am currently searching for a dwarf pink lady tree for my small back yard. Can i get one of the pinkabella apples trees as well and will this be a good cross pollinator to the dwarf pink lady. I know very little about this topic but keen to learn. Can you email me directly please.

Cheers

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Elizabeth says...
Andrew,

I've done a fair amount of research lately on this issue so I think I can help.

I'm in Sydney so (too few) chill hours are a factor. However, in Nowra I presume you get colder winters and some frosts?

Pinkabelle I think is a sport (a naturally occuring variation) of a normal Pink Lady tree. It may be a cross-pollinator, but I'm not sure if it would be too close. Pink Lady/Pinkabelle have a variety of appropriate cross pollinators, many of which are available as dwarfs. These include Granny Smith, Gala, Crabapples, Fuji and Lady Williams.

Daleys has dwarf Granny Smith and Pink Lady. You could also try nurseries stocking Flemmings trees - they make dwarf Pink Lady and Gala trees. You can also order many of these dwarf apple trees from Woodbridge Fruit Trees in Tasmania. Flemings and Woodbridge both have website which you can find easily through Google.

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Thanks Elizabeth,

I will Google it up and have a look.

Cheers

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Hi Andrew,

Elizabeth seems to have covered you queries.

All winter stock will be out in the nurseries in the next few weeks and there is planty of places on the South coast where you can get them.

Go to our website - www.plantnet.com.au to find your list of stockists on the south coast.

we have just updated our website to a HTML format as well as flash player as some people were finding it difficult to access it through the flash player...all info is the same but the flash site is much nicer!!!

There are many nurseries who produce and sell dwarf fruit trees, fleming's just seem to grow the most!! JFT Nurseries and GJ Goodman's (Olea Nurseries in WA) are all excellent nurseries who sell through the retailers.

Andrew (or anyone)if you ave any more queries please call me on (02) 9838 1909 as i could not find your email address to respond too.

Cheers,
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aNON says...
I ate my pinkabelle yesterday.

Superb !

Time: 19th May 2008 10:58am

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Leona says...
I hope you only ate the fruit, not the tree aNON lol (just kidding) ;) So, did it taste the same as Pink Lady apples from the shops?

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It was sweeter than the shops given that it was still a bit green.Shop ones
that green are quite tart.

I pulled it off before the caterpillars were sprayed with pyrethrum. They were only 3mm long but a really skeletonised the leaves.

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Brian & Carole says...
We have two pinkabelles in pots. They are about 1350 cms in height, when purchased last year they were just sticks(from Lena Nuseries Wanneroo)one had has produced two apples, one the size of a medium sized Pink Lady the other is still small but growing. The larger apple tasted better than a Pink Lady, crisp and sweet with just the slightest hint of tartness. Two items we would like help with, how close together should the trees be to maximise pollination ? Cincturing the tree to encourage bushiness how and what do you use ?

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I cincture with the blade of a secuteur.

Just push it in until the hard bit is reached, put it about 12mm above the bud
you want to grow.

If your really keen you can do it twice and remove the width of a matchstick of bark.

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Ohh, yeah only go halfway around the trunk or you will ringbark it.

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Mary-Lyn says...
Am I going mad or are they NO large apple trees for sale here in poor old WA? I if anyone knows of a place I can buy apple trees please let me know...I can afford to buy 25at at a time!

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kerri says...
Hi everyone,
Mary-lyn to answer your question you can get the large trees, it all depends on where you are looking, i know that some nurserys around the south west area won't keep them, they say they won't fruit here. Not cold enough. You will have to hunt around or maybe ask for a special order. For those who are interested the pinkabelle apples you can get from bunnings.

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Back again, you could try Olea Nursery they do a whole heap of fruiting trees, Benara might even have them.

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aNON says...
Bunnings Albany Hwy Cannington have 12 pinkabelle trees. They are mostly pretty lopsided in growth from being too crowded in the nursery. ...good one Olea. But at 40 bucks each they are cheep!

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aNON says...
Tass 1 trees in Upper Swan has lots of big trees as does Bunnings Melville.

Saw a nice fruitung apple yesterday in Belmont.

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Pinkabelle stockists

Time: 3rd June 2008 11:26am

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Craig Perring says...
Hi all,

Glad to see that people are answering the questions as they happen. You are certianly making my job easier.

I spoke to Wandilla Nursery the other day and wanted to clarify a few comments.

I had a bit of a rant on the 21st April, about Wandilla Nursery and the mis-representation of our marketing of Pinkabelle and of mis-information that they had been passing on their clients. Speaking to Caroline at Wandilla she explained to me that Wandilla Nursery did not have any trees to sell last year (they do this year) and was worried that Bob had passed on information that was incorrect or not from them. She said she certainly had not spoken to anyone about the marketing of Pinkabelle let alone had a string of complaints, simply because she had none to sell. She said she was also baffled by the comments and could not recall any of her staff saying anything along those lines to her or any customers.

I would like to apologise to Caroline at Wandilla about posting comments before clarifying and double checking with them about what was or wasn't said.

Bob, I am not saying i don't belive you but i was wondering if can you give me a call (or email: craigperring@plantnet.com.au) to clarify some of those earlier comments just say i can set the record straight with the right person about some of the specifications about Pinkabelle. We like to right info to get out the public about all our products and where we can speak to anyone who may have concerns about them.

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Cheeck out our website for stockists and product info: www.plantnet.com.au



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PS Bunnings Maddington WA, have better shaped trees than Cannington.

Time: 3rd June 2008 5:19pm

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Itdepends says...
"As Pete has correctly pointed out - being a PBR protected variety means you can not propagate this variety under PBR laws. For more info on PBR laws you can visit this site:
http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pbr/index.shtml "

I went and had a look at the website and noted the following.

"Exceptions to the breeder's right are the use of the variety privately and for non-commercial purposes, for experimental purposes, and for breeding other plant varieties. A variety can be used for these purposes irrespective of the existence of Plant Breeder's Rights."

Doesn't that mean that home gardeners can graft/propogate a PBR variety as long as it's for private use?

Time: 7th June 2008 7:23pm

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Anonymous says...
Wandilla must have 200 trees but they are 5 bucks dearer than bunnings, but are potted not bare rooted.

Time: 10th June 2008 1:01pm

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Anonymous says...
Bought my third pinkabelle today, this one is for pot growing to see if it can be done !

Time: 11th June 2008 3:59pm

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sakeena says...
hi i waas just qwondering when my pinkabelle apple tree will bear fruit and also if i buy a red delicious apple tree will they both pollinate eachother.
thanks, sakeena.

Time: 15th June 2008 1:42pm

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sakeena says...
also i bropught it just a month ago

Time: 15th June 2008 1:42pm

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lynne says...
Hi,Can anyone tell me when pinkabelles will be available in sydney.Went to nursery at Wentworthville and Bunnings at Minchinbury (syd ) and told not aavailable yet.(don't want to miss out ).

Time: 15th June 2008 7:30pm

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Craig Perring says...
Hi Sakeena and Lynne,

Pinkabelle's bear fruit around ANZAC day, and yes a red delicious will be OK as a pollinator.

Lynne trees are starting to get their treees. Bunning's NSW has been very slow to order but are coming through. if you go to your store and they are not there yet just ask them to order them in for you. Also check out our website www.plantnet.com.au for further stockists in your area.

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sakeena says...
hi was also just wondering if the tropical pple fruit tree will pollinate eachother with the pinkabelle

Time: 16th June 2008 1:33pm

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Anonymous says...
Hi

I work at Tim Eva's Nursery in Gidgegannup (1448 Toodyay Rd) and we stock a variety of apple trees including the Pinkabelle and Ballerina apples. hope that helps.



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Anonymous says...
So do Ballerina apples definitely pollinate Pinkabelle apples?

Time: 16th June 2008 2:25pm

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Yes, Tim Eva is a nice guy and the apples will pollinate.

Time: 16th June 2008 2:41pm

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Anonymous says...
hi i was also wondering how many apples the pinkabelle apple produce without the second tree for pollination

Time: 16th June 2008 6:13pm

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Anonymous says...
just by itself
without a pollinator

Time: 16th June 2008 6:14pm

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Anonymous says...
i also i heard that after planting the tree it takes a year to start bearing its first fruit, that is the pinkabelle

Time: 16th June 2008 7:34pm

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Anonymous says...
yeah.

Time: 17th June 2008 11:07am

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Anonymous says...
hi, this is to craig perring, someone told me that my pinklabelle apple tree wont fruit where i live which is in the golcoast. she said that it wont fruit if the weather isnt cold enough here. what should i do.

Time: 18th June 2008 9:57am

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Anonymous says...
move to a colder spot

Time: 18th June 2008 9:11pm

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Anonymous says...
thanks good one
but i really need help


Time: 19th June 2008 10:37am

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Anonymous says...
put ice around roots.

Time: 19th June 2008 11:04am

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for how long


Time: 19th June 2008 3:58pm

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600 hours

Time: 19th June 2008 4:01pm

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With the Pinkabelle on the Gold Coast, try to place it under the shade of another tree during winter as this lowers the overall air temperature around the tree.

Time: 19th June 2008 7:03pm

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lynne says...
Hi,went to Bunnings to pick up my pinkabelles today and came home with an angel peach as well,my question to Craig Perring is whats the best way to plant angel peach in large pot or inground(if inground in corner of backyard where it gets mainly morning sun).Any advice would be appreciated.
cheers lynne.

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Anonymous says...
check out www.davewilson.com and they have all the info youse need.

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B says...
Just wondering if there is any update on the availability of dwarf cross pollinator apple trees in WA. Is the only option currently to have two pinkabelle apple trees?

Time: 23rd June 2008 1:45pm

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Anonymous says...
None to my knowledge, you can get ballerina crab apple to cross pollinate.

I will have M27 plants next summer for sale.

Time: 23rd June 2008 2:18pm

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Anonymous says...
2 pinkabelles are the same as 1 after all they were grafted from the same source tree.!

Time: 23rd June 2008 2:19pm

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Anonymous says...
you mean because it has been grafted by its own tree it doesnt need a pollinator

Time: 23rd June 2008 8:44pm

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No, not at all.

Think of it as ripping your arm off
and cloning it on to another person.

It's still your arm genetically.

Thus, it can not be classed as a pollinator as it is not genetically different.

Luckily the pinkabelle is partially self fertile, so 1 tree will be OK-ish.

I had a flower come in late Feb where I cinctured the trunk, it could ahve only been pollinated by itself, and had all 5 seeds in the fruit, indicating succesful pollination.

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B says...
Thanks - i will wait and get an M27 pollinator then.... i have only just bought my tree so i wouldn't expect a lot of fruit in the first year anyway. Do you mean summer 2008 or 2009?

Time: 24th June 2008 12:43pm

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Anonymous says...
2009, 100 bucks each.

Time: 25th June 2008 10:33am

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B says...
anyone in perth got a granny smith cutting i can graft onto my pinkabelle in the meantime?

Time: 25th June 2008 11:53am

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Anonymous says...
That would result in a full size branch.

Remeber in the Pinkabelle, it't the top that is dwarfing not the bottom.

Time: 25th June 2008 11:59am

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B says...
BUGGER!

Time: 25th June 2008 12:17pm

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Anonymous says...
how many fruit will the tree produce without a pollinator

Time: 26th June 2008 2:18pm

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John says...
Not much less, but a higher chance of mishapen fruit due to non pollinated seeds being inside to keep the hormones ticking as they should.

Time: 27th June 2008 10:34am

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Elena says...
I have a small garden and no experience with apple tree.I would like to bay two
Pinkabelle.
could somebody give me some advice how I could prepare the soil, what kind of organic compost I should use? and how far apart I should plant them ?

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. says...
I read Craig Perring's post (dated 3rd June'08) with interest.

I have been to Wandilla a few times. It positioned itself as a nursery specialising in fruit trees.
The staff there seems nice enough at greeting customers initially, and they offer rather general 'common sense' advice on gardening and fruit trees.
However, they are virtually 'clueless' if you try to obtain more specific info regarding the variety / specific varieties of the fruit trees that they are selling.
The information given could vary or change from day to day, and from one staff to another - very confusing if you are a novice.
It almost seems like they don't know the products that they are selling, and asked the customer to "check websites in the internet" for more information.
Well, customers who could access and check websites for specific info don't really need to ask/approach them for advice and help, do they ?

So now, I only go there to see what is currently in stock when I happen to pass by, and purchase my trees from other nurseries that offer more helpful advice (and better after sales services).

This is not to discredit anyone person or the nursery and I am only putting my own experience in words.
In a way, I think I understand what Bob and aNON were trying to say.
And for the readers' info, I do NOT know either Bob or aNON personally except I read their posts in this forum.

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John says...
Yeah, I asked about pots for trees and they could not say what potting mix to use, they sell some, but actually said to go elsewhere and buy "fruit tree" potting mix. Have searched and not found any, so use Yates Professional premium and have been very happy with it.

They are very dear but you can usually get what you want there. The lady told me they sell 8000 bare root trees each year, and judging by the mail orders from the country near the tills that would be about right.

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Cate says...
I would like to purchase a dwarf apple; however, my problem is that I live in FNQLD Townsville. I was initially excited that the "Pinkerbelle" may have been Ok as it has a low chill requirement, but after having read earlier posts here, I see it has only been recommended as far north as Brisbane. Townsville winter tends to hover around 16 - 20 degrees at night (an absolute out of the ordinary temp might go as low as 6 degrees but this is unusual). Day time temps hover around 20 - 23 degrees approx. In recent years the wet has not been starting until Jan and going into Mar.
Any suggestions....

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John says...
Need about 5 hours under 7 degrees.

Time: 21st July 2008 1:42pm

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Anonymous says...
Apples will not grow in Townsville I'm pretty sure but who needs apples when you have Jackfruit and mangoes and Durian. Tastebuds need re-alignment and adjustment and everything will taste better than a boring old apple.

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Cate says...
Durian smells pretty bad.
Thanks for the advice John.
I currently grow vanilla, coffee, tahitian limes, miracle fruit, an array of chillies and herbs, strawberries, grumichama, jaboticaba, wampee, peanut butter tree, pomegranite, 3 varieties of passion fruit, sweetie kiwi fruit, banana, coco nut, a goji (not doing so well),rosella, asparagus, dragon fruit, olive, joppa, blueberry, capsicum,and a few other strange things like the leafy plant that tastes like mushroom and the tropical spinach. They are my edibles. Not all have fruited as yet, but all are growing quite well with the newest being at least 12 months old now. My latest interest is trying to get hold of a cocoa bean tree. I hear there is a plantation in the table lands and they have grown north of Ingham (just up the road)quite successfully. I always have a new interest, but I am originally from down south on the river in SA and crave the foods I grew up with like apples, peaches and pears, but don't want to live in such a cold climate. As you can see, I'll give anything a go and so far, I have not had too many casualties!
My fingers are still crossed though that they all produce. PS we live on a block less than 500m2. I love my garden!


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Liz says...
We bought our 2 pinkabelles about a year ago or whenever they became available in Perth. Have them in pots as we were led to believe that these trees are ideal to be grown in a pot. We don't have any other apple trees. One pinkabelle got 2 apples I guess around Christmas and a good few weeks ago we picked the apples. They were very small but I knew pinkabelles are small. These apples are nothing like a Pink Lady which we thought they are supposed to be like a miniature version of a pink lady. They were more like the old jonathon variety or a sundowner. They were quite dark in colour, not pink like a pink lady. I am sure we don't have pinkabelle trees. It seems our apples were ready at the wrong time for a pinkabelle. If they aren't pinkabelle trees I will be very disappointed considering what we paid.

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Jody says...
What a very interesting read, I am new to Fruit Trees and need a little advise please!
I purchased a pinkabelle yesterday and after reading the information here, I went on a search for another miniature form for pollination. This proved to be quite a task, and then after becoming quite frustrated, I purchased a Fleming's Ballerina "Polka" I'm hoping someone can tell me what the chances of these pollinating each other will be.
Thanks so much
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Anonymous says...
Yes it will.

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Kitty says...
Hi, Very interesting read & now I am unsure if I wasted my money or not??
Could I please have some advice it would be much appreciated as this is my very first garden & first time at trying to grow anything! Complete Novice!!

I just bought 2 pinkabelles from bunnings, If I am reading right did I just waste my money as we are North of Perth & I don't think it gets cold enough here? Also if they did have a chance we also purchased 2 half wine barrells to plant them in will they be alright in these pots if so where abouts should I plant them (full sun, winter sun, part shade away from coastal winds etc) & how far apart & using what potting mix. I also purchased an Eureka Lemon, Tahitian Lime & imperial Mandarin also to put in Wine Barrells if anyone had any advice on these as well it would be most helpful (or a recomendation of a good gardening book :))
Thanks so much
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John says...
give it a go.

Time: 4th August 2008 11:46am

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kate says...
I have a Pinkabell in a pot. It has been doing well for almost a year now & has just begun coming into flower again. I did'nt get any fruit on it last year, as expected, but I also have a dwarf Granny Smith & a regular Pink Lady , also dwarf. I believe the Pinkabelle is exactly the same as the Pink Lady apples in taste, but they don't need other apple trees to pollinate. I hope mine fruit this year...for once, they're all coming into blossum together...nothing like a fresh apple , just picked...yum

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Jenny says...
I bought two pinkabelles over a year ago. There were flowers on both but all but one fell off. I think the cause was strong winds. I ended up with one delicious tasting apple. I called it my $100.00 apple. Both pots have flowers at the moment which I move as soon as it gets windy. I'm hoping for more than one apple this season!

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Mark says...
I've got a Pinkabelle as well as a Golden Dorset and a "Tropical Apple" variety in large pots. I didn't think the other two varieties would cross-pollinate with the Pinkabelle, but because its supposed to be partly self-pollinating, I thought I'd give it a go and see what happens. The Tropical one flowered first, followed by the Golden Dorset, followed by the Pinkabelle, with the flowering times overlapping.

I only got them earlier this year so I'm not sure if we'll get any fruit just yet or even at all in this climate, so we'll wait and see!

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alison says...
is it too late to get a pinkabelle now for planting. i went to bunnings yesterday and they are out of stock and said they won't get any more now. are there any other nurseries in this area that received stock?

Time: 6th October 2008 10:10am

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Chris says...
Mark,

sounds like the Golden Dorsett should be OK to pollinate the Pinkabelle then which is good news because I've got a Golden Dorsett and Anna which are both established and just put in a pinkabelle very recently. I will be interested to hear if your pinkabelle bears many apples.

Time: 9th October 2008 10:11pm

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Gavin says...
Hi all,

Glad I found this forum and I hope I am posting on the right one.

I have purchased my first Pinkabelle tree a couple of weeks ago and it must love my location as I have lots of flowers on it already.

However, I have to admit to being a somewhat naive gardener and not knowing a great deal about plants etc.

I have noticed that there are little tiny things moving along the flowers. They light coloured things only about 1-2mm long. You'd hardly know they were there but upon closer inspection you can see that there are a few of them.

Is that wrong? I'm guessing that I don't want them there so can anyone suggest what I should do to keep the plant under some sort of pest control, naturally preferably.

Also, someone suggested that I need to put a white net over it. Is that right?

Is there any good links that someone might have for me to read about how to grow an apple tree successfully?

Many thanks everyone!
Gavin.

Time: 12th October 2008 3:01pm

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Mark says...
Gavin,

If I had to guess, I would say they're probably aphids of some sort.

If so, some eco-oil or similar can be mixed with water and sprayed on the tree, especially the new growth.

Hope this helps.


Time: 12th October 2008 5:06pm

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Karry says...
Hi am looking for Blueberries but have been told not to get the rabbit eye varieties.

We are looking for the smaller growing varieties can anyone tell us where their is some stock of non rabbit eye blueberry varieties in Perth Metro Area please? ta :o)

We would not want them to grow more than a meter in height and want to plant them between our citrus.

Suggestions and advice welcomed.

Our Kei Apples we bought are growing but still no thorns, we are looking forward to our first crop next year.


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Pauline says...
My pinkabelle tree bought in the winter seems to be doing well. I did wonder around with a cotton but for the first lot of flowers that opened, but then went away for a couple of weeks. It looks like a few of the ones I cotton budded have pollinated and are fattening up, although the ones I didn't have or are falling off. So, maybe helping the tree along is the way to go (if you have no life like me).

Now I know you shouldn't really let your tree grow any fruit in the first year or two so it's energy into growing roots and branches, but I don't think I am going to be able to stop myself.
Does anyone have any advice on how many would be too many apples to leave to grow on a new tree?

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Anonymous says...
My pinkabelle is covered in flowers.

Time: 20th October 2008 12:07pm

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terri says...
I have read that apple trees require cold winters and mild summers. Toodyay gets very cold in winter but very hot in summer (approx 5C hotter than perth), not uncommon to get many days of 40C plus. Could I expect apples (or pears for that matter), to grow ok in that type of climate? Also, can anyone tell me how many of the Pinkabelle trees would be needed to get the same amount of fruit that would grow on 1 x Pink Lady apple tree? (roughly).

Time: 30th October 2008 11:08pm

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John says...
Terri

They will grow Ok, if you can keep up the water during summer.

Ihave 2 trees and they will yield about 100 fruits bewteen them in their second year, work oout your requirements from that.

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Time: 31st October 2008 10:21am

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Anonymous says...
all of my flowers fell off, not very self fertile obviously.

Time: 8th November 2008 10:02pm

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Elizabeth says...
Anon., if your Pinkabelle was new this year it is very normal for young trees to flower but not set fruit as they are putting their energy into growing branches. My Pinkabelle bore only one apple its first year, this year it looks to have set a good dozen or so and I expect it to further improve again next season (though mine has several other apples to cross pollinate with too).

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Anonymous says...
nah, second year monster plants,


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Pauline says...
Mine is in it's first year and after careful polination with a cotton bud I have a fair few baby apples growing, I even had to take some off, it is just a baby tree after all. :)

Time: 10th November 2008 6:08pm

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John says...
My lateste pinkabelle (the third) was transplanted from the 12" pot I was holding it into a 20" pot for permanent.

Bugger all root growth, i'm thinking some
seasol will be needed.!

Time: 12th November 2008 9:42am

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Anonymous says...
wandilla will have frsh stocks in december.

Time: 27th November 2008 9:19am

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Anonymous says...
Wandilla got their stocks, they look to be Bunnings returns that were not sold.

ie they are still flowering which is a sign of lack of chill, and I would not expect this in stuff straight up from Manjimup. As Olea is the licensed grower.

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Gavin says...
Hi Mark,

Thanks for getting back to me. I must have incorrect settings on this forum because I only got an email yesterday!

Unfortunately the flowers died off and no apples for this season.

Thanks for the information. I can't really see any little insects there now but i will get some eco-oil in preparation for a return.

Thanks,
Gavin.

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Gavin says...
Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone can advise me. I'm using recycled water from laundry and showers on my lawn and also on my Pinkabelle. Does anyone know if I shouldn't be watering it with recycled water? It doesn't appear to be hating it but I did read somewhere that I shouldn't use recycled water on ground vegetables and I didn't know if that was a general rule.

Thanks all,
Gavin.

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peter says...
if using laundry water on plants you
need to use a certain type of
detergent that doesnt have phoshates
and other certain things in them.
there are 3 or 4 differant ones but i
dont know their names.

Time: 8th December 2008 5:54pm

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Jantina says...
Planet Ark has some garden safe laundry powders.The supermarkets carry them, they are not expensive. The warnings about recycled water and vegetables is more about human health,e.g. E Coli being in the recycled water and then being splashed on vegetables which somebody might eat without washing it thoroughly and so get sick. Or say someone was a carrier of Hep. A,their shower water could spread Hep. A via unwashed vegetables that had been watered with water they had showered in.The chances of this actually happening are not very high, but these days health officials have to cover all bases or someone is likely to sue them.

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John says...
Apple trees have a high phosphorus requirement, so I would not worry a lot about using the fancy pants powders.

They are mainly aimed at not polluting waterways with phosphorous and casuing blue green algae blooms.

Time: 9th December 2008 9:57am

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Pauline says...
Not to mention the build up of detergents changing the pH of your soil over time. Of course this would depend on what you had already as to if this would be a problem.

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david says...
when is the best time to plant the pinkabelle tree

Time: 26th December 2008 6:46pm

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Anonymous says...
Any time if its in ab bag. winter if bare rooted.

Time: 27th December 2008 9:07am

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Pauline says...
Mine is doing great.
I will be suprised if the apples take until anzac day to be ready, they seem to be getting big so quick.

Time: 27th December 2008 8:30pm

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John says...
Check the background colour out, it should loose nearly all traces of green and seeds should be brown, otherwise a bit too tart !

Time: 30th December 2008 2:28pm

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Donna says...
Hi
We have had a pinkabelle tree growing in a pot in the backyard in full sun for about 6 mths. There are at least 3 small apples growing on it but two have a sticky substance on them and one has some very small brown spots, also some of the leaves have been partially eaten. Also should the trunk and brances have small whiteish spots on them? Please help.
Thanks Donna

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John says...
Sounds like apple scab combined with pear slugs.

Time: 2nd January 2009 11:33am

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RolFlor a says...
The pinkabelle is sold by daleysfruit.
http://daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/apple.htm
Pictures - Click to enlarge

Picture: 1

Time: 6th January 2009 5:11pm

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Clare says...
Hi Craig,
I need some very basic advice on how to care for my pinkabelle. Should it be in full sun? It very hot here in the summer. (Today was 41 degrees). Or should it have partial shade. Does it tolerate frost, because we always have some in the winter. Does it like to be well watered? For example, moist not wet, or dry to touch.
With thanks,
Clare

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Anonymous says...
craig dont live here man/

Time: 10th January 2009 7:59am

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Rob Hart says...
Hey Guys,

just picked up a couple of pinkabelle apple trees after reading this thread
and planted them with heaps of sheep/cow poo and water. Should i be expecting any yield this year? and around what time of year is harvest time?

Cheers rob.

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Pauline says...
If it doesn't have apples on it already you have missed the boat for this year. They have their blossom in spring.

I read somewhere that you harvest at about anzac day, but mine seem like they will be giant by then.

Time: 11th January 2009 11:29pm

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Rob Hart says...
Hello Pauline,

thank you very much for the reply!
i'll be looking foward to see some pics of your tree and apples from it

Speak soon
Rob.

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Craig Perring - PlantNet says...
Hello all - plenty of posts that have come in over time with many people offering advice which is good. I notice there is many questions that people are directed at me and i would suggest that you email me directly to get a quicker response!! Although I do try and get on here every couple of months and try and answer as many questions as possible sometimes it difficult to get to them all at once. My email address is craigperring@plantnet.com.au or phone me on (02) 9838 1909

Happy new year to all...

PS For those in Western Australia we will have every variety of apple you could dream of in a dwarf range by 2011 (i know it sounds like a long time away but it will come quick!)

I look forward to receiveing your call and emails.

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Phil says...
Don;t bother I emailed and never got a reply twice.

Time: 27th January 2009 1:56pm

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louise says...
1: my pinkie is one long stick should i cut the top off for side grouth?
2: my flowers all dropped off i think i need a polinator i found a dwalf polka and bolero apple no dwalf granny smiths will they do?
i have it in a big black pot will it get too hot?
thanks for your help

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BigBOB says...
Lou

Cincture above the buds to get side shoots.

Not uncommon to fall off early in life,
dwarf granny comming in 2010. Ballerina
are good for poll esp the crab.

Yes, i use terracotta plastic from Wandila.

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PlantNet says...
Hi Lousie,

1: There is no need to prune your Pinkabelle. They tend to grow up before growing out. They will branch (see example picture on this blog). Remeber they only get to about a metre wide andare spur bearing. Be patient and it will grow to an ice shape. they have a avery nice natural shape.

2. Pinkabelle is partially self fertile btu benefits from cross pollination. Dwarf grannies do work however they are not available in WA at present. We are hoping to have some in 2010-2011. As Bob has staed Crab apples - any type are good pollinators.

Quick one to Phil - sorry mate i have nto recieved any emails from you? (got one from Damo) but nothing from you at all i am sorry - unless it has gone into my spam which i do check but things can easily be overlooked in there! please try and email me again as i would like to be able to answer your question - double check the email address you are sending to is right: craigperring@plantnet.com.au
If not give me a call on (02) 9838 1909 and i can answer any questions you need answering. Again sorry for not receiving you email but some things weird things happen in cyberspace!!

Cheers,
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louise says...
thanks, I will just keep on singing too it and looking forward to the day of apple pie :)

Time: 16th February 2009 5:07pm

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Pauline says...
Well my 6 apples had been doing great on my tree which I bought in the winter. Unfortunetly 4 of them seemed to have started cooking in the heatwave and have bruised areas, and now possums have been chomping on one of the two good ones left. So now I have one apple which may make it.

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Jantina says...
Good luck Pauline, don't give up. We grow more than we need and by the time the birds, possums and rats have had a go there's a bit left for us. It's trench warfare out there.

Time: 18th February 2009 8:13pm

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Pauline says...
OK, really odd thing now, my pinkabelle is covered in blossom which is just opening. A week before autumn!

I am assuming this is not normal???
It still has 4 apples on it.

Time: 21st February 2009 8:38pm

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Jimmy says...
Its a sign of not enough chill, those buds remained dormant until now.

Time: 22nd February 2009 2:12pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Pauline, every so often apple trees in particular do this, but the fruit never comes to anything. I'm sure there is a scientific explanation for it but I don't know what it is. Enjoy your blossom.

Time: 22nd February 2009 2:15pm

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Jon says...
Thinking about getting a Pinkabelle, Dwarf Jonathan and Dwarf Granny Smith.

Will these flower at the same times and pollinate each other?

Thank-you,

Jon

Time: 26th February 2009 7:22pm

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Jimmy says...
Yeah, this is actually the ideal combination.

Time: 28th February 2009 1:30pm

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Jon says...
I bought a Pinkabelle today and it was much taller than I expected. I am impressed, considering the price.

Jon

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Freddy says...
Awesome

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Jimbob says...
when are pink bella's ready in Poith?

Time: 19th March 2009 3:17pm

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david says...
how much direct sunlight should the pinkabelle receive during the day thanks for you help.david

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Jimmy says...
Without being stupid, lots.

ie the more the betetr as sun makes flower buds.

Time: 9th April 2009 6:06pm

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louise says...
well i chopped the top off and now i am said but for some funny reason it maid it flower at the top ?? and in march?? oh well its done now!! happy gardening

Time: 14th April 2009 11:50pm

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Liz says...
Hi - can anyone tell me how many hours chill Pinkabelles and Granny Smiths need to fruit? ...best information I've found has been "medium chill" and "temperate" - has anyone successfully got a decent amount of fruit on the Perth flats (aka Perth Coastal Plain for people who didn't grow up in the hills...) ;-)

According to the Ag Dept, we get ~290-350 hours on the flats, compared to ~440-680 in the hills, so it makes a bit of difference...
http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/content/HORT/FN/CP/POMEFRUITS/Winter_Chilling_Farmnote.pdf

I bought a Pinkabelle from Bunnings a little while back, with the intention of getting a Granny to fertilise it, but if they're not going to fruit, I guess I'd be better off putting something else in the space!

Thanks! :-)

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Tibor says...
my mum grows one good in the kelmscott foothills.

Time: 20th April 2009 9:07pm

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Pip says...
Hi all

when you have the Pinkabelle and a pollinator, do you need to hand pollinate??? Or do they naturally pollinate each other?

Silly question but I want to be sure.

Thanks.

Time: 21st April 2009 11:57am

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Jimmy says...
The bees do it for you as long as weather sunny.

Time: 21st April 2009 3:06pm

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Pauline says...
I hand polinated mine as I read so many people complain that they didn't get any fruit. I only got my tree last winter and had 8 apples forming. I removed two so it wouldn't use up too much of the trees strengh in it's first year. I possum ate another one earlier in the year and one cooked in the heatwave. I ate one a couple of weeks ago (it was lovely) and had to pick the last two off a couple of days ago as a possum ate another one!

I will hand polinate next year too. :)

Time: 25th April 2009 6:40pm

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melly says...
I bought a pinkabelle last year from bunnings, I am right on the beach and salt and wind are usually a problem with lots of plants, but my pinkabelle is going very well, it is in a large pot. It is pretty much a stick with leaves but has 12 apples on it. I think a couple are nearly ready but not sure how to tell. It is still flowering though and there is fruit at all stages. Should I take the smaller fruit off so it can concentrate it's energy on the others or on growing? Should it still be flowering?
Also if I wanted to plant it when would be the ideal time. I am really enjoying this tree and was so excited when it fruited. I only have 1 apple tree and have been looking for a dwarf granny smith, but maybe someone has another aplpe close by or else it self pollinated pretty well

Time: 8th May 2009 6:24pm

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amanda says...
I have a Pink lady (same diff) and was told I needed another low chill for better pollination (Fuygi..whatever!) my fuygi had lots of fruit this year (at 2yrs old) the pink lady - none. Take out the "king" apple (one in the centre) of a group helps to get better fruit, however you should not let any of your trees bear fruit in their first 2 yrs - it's at the expense of the plant (frame and roots) think of pregnancy!! Be brave and lose the fruit bar maybe one and your tree will be better for it!(we live on the coast of WA too) They are ready when you can slighty twist them and the stem breaks. Take them inside for further ripening.

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melly says...
thanks I will bite the bullet and remove the fruit, some look nearly ready anyway. Is your fuygi a dwarf? If so where did you get it beacause I am looking for a dwarf pollinater. Thanks



Time: 11th May 2009 3:19pm

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amanda says...
melly - no, neither of mine dwarfs (but grafted) have no idea 'bout rootstock either - most producers don't bother with this slightly important bit of info! very frustrating. Sorry i can't help - we get buggar all up here.

Time: 14th May 2009 8:23pm

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jacelyn says...
Hi everyone, wondering if someone can help me - I am new to gardening and recently bought a Pinkabelle for my east balcony (it's in a very large pot). I guess my first question is will it be ok to stay where it only gets direct sun until midday? Secondly, I noticed today some little holes on some of the leaves. I've included pictures of both the front and the back of one of them. Is this normal (it was blowing a gale a few nights back and I don't know what wind damage woud look like) or is it some kind of disease? Any kind of help would be much appreciated! Thanks
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Time: 17th May 2009 5:42pm

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Jimmy says...
Looks like wind damage, the only othe rthing is pear n cherry slugs but they more skelontonise than hollow out.

Got apples on it in scabs?

Time: 19th May 2009 1:02pm

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Lisa says...
Not sure either as I have this on my stella cherry, apples, mulberry as well. It only appeared after a few windy days last week. I am thinking wind damage also??

Time: 19th May 2009 1:37pm

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jacelyn says...
Thanks guys - I guess I'll assume it's wind damage until someone says otherwise! No apples yet Jimmy - I've only had it 2 weeks and it's my first fruit tree so fingers crossed I manage to keep it alive long enough to find out if it will fruit!

Time: 19th May 2009 4:14pm

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amanda says...
I have problems with this on my apples too - also on my loquat and most of my stone fruit - by the end of summer (the hot easterlies will do this). The new growth that comes in the cooler weather is always fine. The leaf colour is healthy looking, but as you got the plant recently - it may need time to toughen up a bit. Nursery plants are often well cared for and/or kept under shade cloth.

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Liz says...
Our 2 Pinkabelle trees have quite a bit of fruit on but we won't get to eat any as some pest got to the trees. The apples got quite sticky and some of them have gone soft and mushy but that could be from getting burnt. Whatever the bug is it get right into the apple. Our first year we got 2 small apples on one of the trees but they weren't anything like a pink lady and this year both trees have a decent amount of fruit, some smallish apples and some are very big. I still don't think our trees are Pinkabelle somehow. At the moment I wish I hadn't wasted the money on buying them. Does anyone know what bug causes the stickiness?

Time: 26th May 2009 12:14am

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Jimmy says...
fruit fly? or soem other piecing bug, the sticky is a reaction to puncturing.

Time: 29th May 2009 3:14pm

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Liz says...
Thanks Jimmy, I didn't think it was fruit fly as hadn't seen any but something was going on with the leaves as well and I think some little bug was eating the leaves. I'm a hopeless gardener. Hopefully one day we'll get some decent apples that we can eat but what I'm now concerned about is, if our trees aren't really Pinkabelle then they shouldn't be in pots. I bought those trees believing them to be Pinkabelle as we don't have anywhere to plant apple trees in the garden.

Time: 1st June 2009 12:51pm

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Van says...
I'd like to purchase one of these, however I would like to have it in a pot, can anyone steer me in the right direction regarding ideal pot size and best method.
Thanks!

Time: 11th June 2009 10:48pm

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Jimmy says...
I do it, yates sella 50 litre pot.

Its tuscan style in square or round.

Very sexy.

Time: 12th June 2009 11:17am

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Van says...
I have seen those online but I think the 500mm is for the top and not the base. What size does the pot need to be at the bottom? I have been told about 45cm but am struggling to find a plastic one of that diameter at the bottom. Is anything smaller going to be no good?

Time: 14th June 2009 6:17pm

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Jimmy says...
I use the pots above in round version for all my trees in pots approx 20 and they all grow good

apples, citrus peach, necto, cherries etc.

Time: 15th June 2009 2:37pm

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Jimmy says...
My apples are finally ripe kelmscott WA mid July 2009.
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Time: 22nd June 2009 12:42pm

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Jimmy says...
D'oh, wrong one.
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Time: 22nd June 2009 2:27pm

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Liz says...
Hi - if you're after big, UV-resistant plant pots, check out http://www.gardencityplastics.com/advanced.htm - they have up to 250 litre, 840mm diameter pots. (I think the 580mm dia ones I bought a while back were ~$35 each - I got a note about a price increase of ~5% recently, but they'd still be WAY cheaper than what I could find elsewhere.) I've planted six blueberry plants in them - nice and sturdy, and come in a few colours.
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Jason says...
Wow, just around the corner from me in Canning Vale. Im just off Nicholson Road

Time: 14th July 2009 12:15am

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Helen says...
I saw some bare rooted fruit trees in wantirna market for $10 per tree with lot of apple type to choose from.

Time: 20th July 2009 4:15pm

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martin says...
I have a similiar problem to previous author and am mystified as to the cause. My local nursery did not have any answers. I do not feel hot winds are the answer.
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Time: 22nd July 2009 2:14pm

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Peter the permie says...
Hi Helen , you get what you pay for , these will be on seedling rootstocks and can grow 6m high & 6m wide whats the cost of a chainsaw to prune them in the future.
look for heritage apples on dwaft rootstocks only every need secators, plus they have other qualities like fruiting in 2-4 years not 7-10 like the ones you saw.
the Heritage fruits society has a couple of hundred vars to buy at the grafting days for no more than $18
see www,petethepermie.com for more info


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Jimmy says...
Looks like classic pear slug.

Time: 23rd July 2009 12:51pm

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jacelyn says...
Hi Jimmy - your apples look amazing!! My pinkabelle is losing its leaves - they look like they're progressively 'drying' out and falling off. The soil feels moist so I wouldn't have thought it was dehydrated...

I bought a dwarf granny/red fuji for cross pollination this weekend which only has 1 tiny leaf on it - I had thought then perhaps it was normal for the pinkabelle to drop leaves being winter, but now seeing your pics, perhaps not?

I'm scared I might have killed my tree already!

Time: 27th July 2009 12:14pm

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Jimmy says...
They burn the leaves off the new plants to make them salebale and neat looking, plus they were grown in Donnybrook with all that cold for Tass 1.

Time: 27th July 2009 4:47pm

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jacelyn says...
Thanks for the info! Well at least I know that the Tass1 tree is still alive hahaha - so is it then ok for the Pinkabelle to have very few leaves as well (they have been falling off since May)?

Time: 27th July 2009 5:10pm

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Trevor says...
I know it's late, but can anyone provide me with a few Gravenstein cuttings for grafting - I had some arranged, but it fell through. Any help will be much appreciated - and I can provide some Pink Lady if anyone is interested.

Time: 27th July 2009 10:14pm

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Warren D. says...
It's Autumn people! Apples should start yellowing just after harvest then drop off. That means give them a good dose of trace element fertilizer which will help with bud strength for the next season. By the way as Pink Lady is trade marked I wouldn't be grafting without a license for each tree.

Time: 28th July 2009 4:13pm

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Jimmy says...
Ahhh, you hillbillies with all the chill make me laugh.

Ps Just call it Cripps Pink and your OK.

Time: 30th July 2009 3:14pm

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Itdepends says...
As long as its for private use there's no law against propogating it (selling the plants though would be a definite no no)

Time: 30th July 2009 9:54pm

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Trevor says...
Agreed, strictly private use of cuttings only. (And my apple "orchard" consists of one dwarf Granny Smith and one dwarf Jonathon/Pink Lady - don't think I'm much of a threat to commercial growers!)

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Peter the permie says...
Hi trevour contact Peter at Heritage fruit society we have gravenstein and 400 other apples you can graft with. call 0418 665 880
sunday 2/8 we will be at Petty's templestowe with all scion at the grafting day 1-4pm

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Craig says...
Hi all,

Quick update to let you know we are still here but very busy with our Winter stock. We are getting an "early spring" which proves difficult for bare root trees! Most questions have been answered in the forum by the regulars so thanks to all who provide info. If you have any specific questions please do not hesitate to contact me on (02) 9838 1909....regarding the discussions about leaves - they should be falling off and if they haven't i would suggest you pull them off so the plant shuts down. With Spring around the corner i would be doing this sooner rather than later as they will be sure to grow back rather quickly.

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Time: 3rd August 2009 10:12am

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Jimmy says...
My plant in Perth is sprouting fresh growth after deloiation in may.

Time: 4th August 2009 12:11pm

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Jimmy says...
Craig

Whats next from youse guys?

I own mutliples of all your products except the angel peach which is not very sexy to my mind.

I want more !!!

Time: 4th August 2009 12:16pm

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Craig says...
Hi Jimmy sounds like you may be hitting Spring early too...Sydney is having lovely weather albeit a bit early for my liking! Would like to see winter finish off properly.

Angel peaches are nice! Very sweet. We have a sub tropical version (this one is yellow fleshed) that will be available in Perth around October.

Without giving away all of our trade secrets, we do have some new fruit trees coming out in October / November (in fact WA will be the only state to stock them so early), which will be a new variety of Plumcot (plum x apricot) and also a new medium chill (450hrs) apricot. Limited stocks will be released this October / November so keep an ear to the ground.... our website may be the best to hear first hand what is happenening www.plantnet.com.au

We also have some exciting news that will make Western Australian gardeners pleased - especially apple lovers.....but you will have to wait until next year before we can get into that.

I am available anytime to chat on (02) 9838 1909 or email me direct with any questions - info@plantnet.com.au

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Jimmy says...
Thanx Craig, berry helpful.

Time: 10th August 2009 3:23pm

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Tiggerbow says...
Hi Craig,
I am preparing to buy a Angel Peach when it is released in October. Can't wait for that one : o )
Glad there are some positives to being in WA for a change !
Very naughty for teasing us with your tid bit of info re the apples.
I will await more info !

Thanks !

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Jimmy says...
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Time: 10th August 2009 4:22pm

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Jimmy says...
Angel Peaches are in stockt today at Bunnings, dawsons etc.

The other stuff is later.

Time: 10th August 2009 4:24pm

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Tiggerbow says...
Hiya Jimmy,
Is this the subtropical Angel Peach?.
I am in Perth and it is fairly warm here. My Dwarf Peach does well but I think I'd be better off with a subtropical Angel rather that the 'original' one.

Cheers
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Marie says...
Hi Craig,

I live in Western Australia and I have planted a few dwarf fruit trees. I was wondering if the chill factor here is low enough for the pinkabelle apples. Would it also be cool enough for the granny smith. The area where I would like to plant them is quite narrow, would this be o.k?

Time: 13th August 2009 2:18pm

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Jimmy says...
Anywhere from perth south should be OK.

Hills obviously a lot better.

Time: 13th August 2009 2:38pm

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Craig from PlantNet says...
Morning all,

Yes apple news is good for WA. Just have to be patient. Don't forget there are already columnar apples in WA that are suitable pollinators for Pinkaballe.

Subtropical Angel Peach will not be avialble until Octoberish - the way the weather is it may even be earlier.

Had plenty of reports that Pinkabelle is fruiting like mad (with cross pollinations) in Rockingham and Freemantle! which suggests to me that Perth will be fine for chill. Like Jimmy said hills are better....planting on the Southern side of the house can alsways help with chill as it tends to be a bit cooler there for obvious reasons. Pinkabelle is a temperate apple not a high chill one.

Marie - narrow gaps are fine. Trees are dwarf (as you know) Pinkabelle will only grow approximately 1m wide so that is what you will need to work off with reagrds to space. Dwarf grannies can tend to be a bit wider but can be kept to a desired size fairly easily if they are on a dwarf rootstock - again the columnar apples could also help. Narrow spot - does this mena less light?

A little trick (and something i did last year as i did not have a pollinator) for those who want to wait for a dwarf tree but want something to cross pollinate their Pinkabelle's this Spring - Go and buy / find (ask neighbours?) some apple blossom and place in a vase (admitedlly i used a pint glass!) underneath your trees and let the bees do their thing...you can also get a small brush and hand pollinate. Cheating i know but gets the job done.

Hope this helps.



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Jimmy says...
Dawsons are selling M26 granny smiths for $39.95 ex Olea Nsy, Lots of stock.

Time: 17th August 2009 11:51am

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Pauline says...
Thanks Craig. What do you recommend for pruning of a young pinkabelle?

Time: 18th August 2009 9:30pm

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sylvia says...
Have read through this entire thread! Great info, thanks everyone! Am moving near Orange, NSW, where there is plenty of chill for apples, (a huge industry around there) but if Pinkabelle is a temperate apple, could it be too cold? It snows lightly on my place sometimes.

Also, I'd like to plant apples to harvest for the longest possible time as part of a permaculture setup.

Three questions - can anyone recommend other apple varieties with great taste, keeping qualities and/or hardiness?

What kind of protection from birds works best? I was thinking of a permanent frame of star spikes and PVC tubes to support netting when needed.

Is it possible to find Bramley apples in Australia? I have fond memories of baked Bramley apples, stuffed with sultanas, butter and a little cinnamon from my time living in England. The best taste!

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Craig from PlantNet says...
Hi all,

Pauline - you should not have to prune Pinkabelle - call me to discuss if you like as t may be easier to talk to you in person - (02) 9838 1909.

Sylvia - Orange is fine to grow Pinkabelle. We have trees in Bathurst where we have many varieties of all fruit trees - low chill, temperate and high chill.the Pinkabelle fruits very well there.

Birds is a tough one - many different thoughts on this maybe one for googling? I use nets but am only talking a few trees. There is one product that i have heard of that is humane and appears to work (although i have never used it) is called D-Ter. you can enquire about it on (02) 9589 0703.

We can source many apples through our nursery network - maybe best to tell me exactly what you are looking once you have worked it out and I can make some enquiries..this website has some variety adn seasonal info: http://www.oneadaysuperfood.com.au/apple_facts/apple_varieties_and_seasonality_information/

call me if you would like to discuss further.
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Time: 24th August 2009 9:28am

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Pauline says...
Thanks Craig.

Sylvia, I have seen a few English people looking for Bramley apples, and it seems you can't get them in Oz. You have me craving bramley apple pies now damn you! :D

Time: 24th August 2009 6:35pm

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Jimmy says...
TASS 1 trees sell them on dwarf rootstock.

Time: 25th August 2009 10:59am

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Loz says...
Craig, I need help.

Last year I purchased 4 pinkabelle trees. I have planted them into deep and wide limestone pots. They are positioned in full sun and the pots are on pavers.

They are slowly dying. I gave them plenty of water in the summer and the rain is keeping them watered at the moment but im worried I've done/doing something wrong.

The leaves are turning dark and are now falling off. :( HELP!!!

Time: 27th August 2009 2:14pm

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jacelyn says...
Hi Loz

Mine has done the same thing.. I think from what I've read here, they're meant to shut down over winter - Craig said:

"regarding the discussions about leaves - they should be falling off and if they haven't i would suggest you pull them off so the plant shuts down. With Spring around the corner i would be doing this sooner rather than later as they will be sure to grow back rather quickly."

I hope that's right cos I pulled all the leaves off mine (they seemed to be dying off anyway)! I'm really looking forward to spring so I can see whether my pinkabelle is still alive or not hahaha

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amanda says...
Hi Loz n jacelyn - i have cut n pasted this from "pink lady pollination" topic:

Jimmy says...
Ther are two schools of thought, the first is to pull off in autumn to allow the buds to get the max chill.

the other is to pull off in spring (like now) and then the tree will bud up and bloom within 3 weeks.

I have tried both and there seems to be no diff yet,


In Jimmys edibles page he says he used to work at a fruit tree research station - so the advice is sound...I keep forgetting to do my apple trees tho'!! I hope I am not too late :-/

Time: 28th August 2009 7:03pm

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Marie says...
Thank you Craig, much appreciated. Do you know where in Perth I can buy the columnar apples? The narrow space doesn't mean less shade, they will still be in full sun.

Time: 10th September 2009 9:00am

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Marie says...
Does anybody know if there is a dwarf plum available on the market? I live in Western Australia and have planted a number of dwarf trees and would dearly love to be able to find a dwarf plum. Perhaps Craig from plantnet may know?

Time: 10th September 2009 9:06am

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Jantina says...
Hi Marie,my favourite plum Narabeen makes a small (here anyway) spreading tree with large red plums. It's a midseason variety and needs a Santa Rosa, Mariposa or Salad variety to pollinate.I do not know however if you can get them over in W.A.

Time: 10th September 2009 9:36am

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Jimmy says...
No dwarfs, but we can get all those varities here in WA>

Time: 11th September 2009 6:08pm

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martin says...
My first year of angel peach has had sudden premature loss of some fruit. What is the possible cause of this? The leaves look healthy and are prolific.

Time: 14th September 2009 6:25pm

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Jimmy says...
this time of year it will be failure to pollinate.

Time: 17th September 2009 1:39pm

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martin says...
t;hank you Jimmy for your suggestion. This would be unlikely as there are two bee hives just next to the tree and there were fruit on the tree. Craig advised me that it is likely that the tree cannot sustain the amount of fruit.

Time: 26th September 2009 1:01pm

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Wetnwild1 says...
Hi Just wondering if my pinkablle is ok. It lost all it's leaves in July/Aug and has heaps of little buds but none of it has sprouted yet. Is this normal. My Granny smith has done the same but hasn't got very many buds. I gave them some fruit and citrus fert in Sept like the instructions say to for apples. Any ideas.

Time: 14th October 2009 4:20pm

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Jimmy says...
Yeah, mine have not sprouted in kelmscott but have in belmont.

Delayed foliation is a sign of lack of chill, that's Perth I'm afraid.

Time: 14th October 2009 5:57pm

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Tiggerbow says...
I have 6 apple trees that I planted this winter. None are showing signs of 'sprouting' except for 1 flower on the pinkabelle which is trying very hard to open. I am in Queens park - sort of half way between Kelmscott and Belmont.
I spoke to Joe at Tass 1 trees a couple of weeks ago and he said it was pretty normal at this stage. It is a bit scary as I seem to have alot of expensive 'sticks' in the garden at the moment. Our peach is flowering like crazy and I have seen Figs and Mulberries putting on leaves and fruit like there is no tomorrow.
I guess we will just have to be a bit more paitent with the apples.
Here's hoping !

Time: 15th October 2009 2:01pm

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Julie says...
Apples seem to be much later than other fruit. My peaches, plums and apricots have finished flowering, but the Gala apple has only put out a few leaves and flower buds.

Apples are also very late to lose their leaves, long after everything else, so they seem to have a different timetable.

Time: 15th October 2009 2:10pm

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Jimmy says...
Think about it this way, apples come froma climate where it snows (lots)

they get going later in the season to beat spring frosts.

They go later in the season as in their native climate they have the leaves frozen off in autumn.

Time: 15th October 2009 4:04pm

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amanda says...
Hi Tiggerbow - mine have just sprouted leaves and flowers over last cupla weeks...bit warmer here so yours shouldn't be far behind?

Time: 15th October 2009 7:03pm

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