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hello; I am a proud mother of a baby black and white tegu; i would love to have a pitanga tree as that is what research shows my little baby tegu would love. can you all ship to the United States; i love my little baby tegu and i want him to feel like home with his pitanga tree; can you help me?? please?

Time: 10th July 2008 1:14am

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John says...
huh?

Time: 10th July 2008 1:28pm

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Dekka says...
I'll interpret for you, John... Domynique wants a Surinam Cherry to create habitat for a lizard.



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Time: 10th July 2008 2:22pm

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amanda says...
I give up with my pitanga! Why won't it set fruit? I was told it didn't need a friend..? It has 1000's of flowers..?
The bees are not interested in it...so what pollinates it?

Apart from that - it's a beautiful bush that is very handsome, flowers smell great, no pests and no special needs. I know the fruit is supposed to be sour - but I'd still like try it for myself :)

(ps - it's 4yrs old now - and not one fruit ever)

(pps infact it is so beautiful that I a thinking of digging it up to take with me - but some seeds would be much easier!? lol)
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Time: 18th August 2011 11:51pm

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Peter says...
Amanda,
assuming it is a Surinam cherry = pitanga you'll need to wait for one more year to fruit (or two or three. Mine needed 5yrs.

Time: 19th August 2011 12:09pm

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John Mc says...
Hey Amanda, There's something wrong if you're not getting any fruit off that many flowers. Mine has a quarter as many flowers and I get a decent crop. I can't eat too many at the one time, the flavour is very strong and resinous, I don't mind the flavour, but can only eat one or two at a time. You have to let them ripen to almost falling off the tree to be anything edible. Mine had a short break over winter and has already shot another round of flowers.

Time: 19th August 2011 3:00pm

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amanda says...
Thanks John Mc/Peter - I didn't realise they may take that long to get it together! Flavour sounds like my cedar bay cherry next to it (which had lots of fruit this year too) bloody shame :-( Sour I like - but that resinous thing that stays on your tongue is not nice.

It's certainly putting on an awesome flower show this year though - even I am impressed! Would make a lovely landscape bush in tough climates..


Time: 19th August 2011 4:49pm

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John Mc says...
Try planting some lavender around it. The bees are highly attracted to it. I like to mix flowers around my orchard for a variety of benefits and one of them is pollination. My grandaughter never leaves here without a bunch for her mum.

Time: 19th August 2011 5:48pm

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Brad says...
you'd have to look up the tree which i don't know - but it might be temperature related. e.g. broadbeans will flower but not set in Perth if the winter temps are a bit funny (I'd give you details but I've forgotten what I read when this happened to me a couple years ago. they just flowered again and then set)

Time: 19th August 2011 8:05pm

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amanda says...
Yup Peter...not one fruit from all those flowers...I even tried hand pollinating (although some insects seem to like the flowers)
Did yours flower for a few years like this b4 setting fruit?

Time: 20th November 2011 12:14pm

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denise says...
I have surinams growing but the copious flowers wont set. The soil is too dry.Try planting were there is heaps of sun and a shallow water table. Perhaps bury some plastic bowls under it that will hold a puddle underneath and give a good watering every week that will fill the bowls. The surinams grow naturally on the edge of the mighty rivers of the amazon with a silty soil with plenty of moisture but also some drainage. I have seen in the cook islands a laden tree growing in coral sand near a beach. The roots had found the water table but otherwise in an apparent lack of fertility.The ground was not visible under the layers of fallen fruit. The tree about 5meters tall.

Time: 20th November 2011 7:40pm

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amanda says...
That's interesting info denise! (mine flowered thru middle of winter - and it was pretty wet...maybe still not enough?)

It stopped flowering about a month ago. It also has permanant sub surface reticulation from the house. It's in full sun all day - and is beautiful and healthy. Such a shame the fruit may not be great as it's such a pretty and impressively tough plant and not bothered by our salt, strong sun, and hot winds at all. It's worth growing for this alone.

Maybe it's like the jaboticabas and needs a good "flood" now and then?

If it flowers again I will try your suggestion - thank you :)



Time: 21st November 2011 12:00am

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Peter says...
Hello Amanda,
unfortunately nobody bothers to graft them, which might reduce the waiting time. Just like with other seedlings, like litchi (to pick an extreme case) where waiting for the seed to produce can be anything between a few yrs to 20 yrs, this one has not'switched' from 'just flowering' to fruiting. Once the signal is there, fruit set increases year by year.
At least not as stubborn as a litchiseed. Keep going, your bush looks very healthy, and just a question of time you will see and taste them.

Time: 21st November 2011 12:19am

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BJ says...
Amanda - folks at the fruit club have said that chilling the fruits in the fridge for a few hours can get rid of that resinous turpsy twang. I can not confim this though as when I've tried with the neighborhood trees I've still found them inedible - almost poisonous tasting. Anyways, its something to keep in mind if your tree has fruit which are not too resinous.

Good luck - I hope you get a nice, sweet one!

Time: 21st November 2011 10:23am

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amanda says...
Thanks guys. It won't be coming with us when we eventually move - so I am hoping to at least try it b4 then (just in case it was a rare winner :)

The Cedar Bay cherry will be staying too...I find that too resinous as well...it's a flavour that's hard to take isn't it..

Time: 21st November 2011 10:35am

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BJ says...
If it fruits for you before the move and it does turn out to be good, then you could take some cuttings.

Time: 21st November 2011 12:28pm

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David says...
All i can say is thank goodness for, this forum, i have in my backyard a grafted black pitanga, hasnt fruited yet, also a seedling black pitanga,to hedge the bets as im told they are relatively true to seed. Fingers crossed.

Time: 22nd November 2011 8:40pm

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amanda says...
Nice one David! Please let us know what u think of the black ones when they eventually fruit?
They don't seem to be that common...?

Time: 22nd November 2011 9:10pm

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BJ says...
I have a cutting grown black that Im growing as a screening tree. It set two small fruit this year, but both dissappeared at pea size. Its only 2 foot tall, but I'm hoping for more flowers/fruit soon when the heavens turn the tap on!

Daley's sell them (not on their Brazilian Cherry page though, strangely) - at a low price so I assume they are cutting grown? and so does Chester - grafted.

Time: 23rd November 2011 10:33am

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Peter says...
Sounds like your plant is ready to fruit and will with more water! If not old enough, the flowers normally drop straight away without doing anything...

Time: 23rd November 2011 2:29pm

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amanda says...
LOL! My tree finally set fruit and I got a taste today...It was truly awful!! :D Never tasted such a disguting "fruit" b4....a bit like dishwashing liquid.

What a waste of 4yrs..still...it's a very pretty plant and looks great with the fruit (even the birds, F.fly and mice haven't touched them... :)


Time: 16th January 2012 8:03pm

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John Mc says...
Amanda, they are at their best when they're virtually ready to fall off the tree, not a day sooner.

Time: 16th January 2012 8:18pm

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amanda says...
I ate two (had to try a second just to make sure) that had fallen off already John Mc...they were very ripe and soft.

It took a heap of parsley to get the taste out of my mouth...and it stills feels like I can taste them...ughh..it was so bad. Like Phil said - they taste poisonous somehow...?
The 'memory' will stay with me for some time... ;-)

Time: 16th January 2012 8:57pm

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Peter says...
It fruited! Do you have the dark maroon form?
For me they taste like eating a sweet fruit the first few moments with an aftertaste of a Eucalyptus lolly...

Time: 16th January 2012 9:04pm

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amanda says...
No such luck for me Perth Peter! Mine are red one's. It must be from an awful strain!?

Time: 16th January 2012 9:13pm

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Mike says...
Amanda cut it down and wash your hands of pitanga.Mulch patrol could be a fitting fate.I did to a bad sapodilla,governors plum,a big hog plum,minneola,imperial mandarin,navel orange,barbodos cherry,purple guava and a few others.
That first resinous or sour taste of a disappointing fruit is memorable.I have been surprised by bad mangoes and paw paws and was taken aback by my first taste of bilimbis,asian gooseberries and many natives.

Time: 16th January 2012 9:55pm

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Peter says...
What are purple guavas?

Time: 16th January 2012 11:11pm

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Mike says...
It ius a cultivar of the tropical guava.They are a bit like the big thai white guava with red/brown/purple foliage and fruit.I was optimistic with the rosey description but the fruit did not live up to expectations and the tree bit the dust.My kepels experienced a silimar fate.The tree is very striking but the fruit has little taste.

Time: 16th January 2012 11:46pm

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amanda says...
So true Mike...I have accumulated a few bludgers now that I really should pull out, given the cost of my water.

Not for my climate: apples, plums, apricot, african pride C.apple (8 trees)
Yukk fruit: Pitanga, cedar bay cherry, capulin cherry (3 trees)
Never fruit: feijoa (1)
6 mislabelled low chill dwarf peach and nectarine (are high chill)
2 passionfruit (1 virus and 1 mis-bred)

That's a grand total of 20 plants...I really should be more ruthless...it's kind of helpful to hear that experienced folk rip out non-performers though.

It's a bit heart breaking when I have spent 4 years work on them.. :-( It has made me a lot more discerning when choosing new varieties now though!

Time: 17th January 2012 12:29pm

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MaryT says...
Amanda - 20 plants to go?! That's shocking. Sometimes if you give them notice they would start to perform LOL but maybe it's just a coincidence that I discovered flowers on a tree that did nothing for 4 years the day I was going to pull it out. :)

Time: 17th January 2012 3:44pm

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Mike says...
I think it is best to continually plant and axe the non-performers from the backyard team whether they were expensive or you are attached to them or not.If they are sickly,fruit is poor or cheap in the supermarket or a tree is not good enough just replace them after reasonable chances.Keep your trees well trimmed and eventually you'll have all good trees.I must have ditched 40 or so trees.

Time: 17th January 2012 5:07pm

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MaryT says...
Right, Mike. I'll tell them Mike said you have to go :)

Time: 17th January 2012 9:35pm

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amanda says...
It happens MaryT - especially when u live in more marginal zones for what u are growing.

I appreciate Mikes honesty here - we don't talk about our failures as much as we should perhaps...and we all have them surely....?? ;-)

Eg: I love my minneola tangello....it performs beautifully here - but Mike has pulled his out...different climate, soils etc.

(ps - that's 20 out of an original 80 trees...does that sound better maybe? :)

Time: 17th January 2012 11:04pm

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Mike says...
I planted a whole lot out at first and at least half were poor choices like minneola and navels that were very healthy trees but had giant tasteless green fruit.At first I left them too long hoping next season would be different.Now my best trees are in spots where poor ones used to be.There are still a few on thin ice at the bottom of the list that will volunteer their good spots when I get better trees.

Time: 17th January 2012 11:29pm

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amanda says...
Navels in Cairns probably as bad a choice as plums in Geraldton? :D They grow and fruit for sure...But..doesn't mean they will give u the fruit u are dreamin of? ;-)

Time: 18th January 2012 12:01am

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Mike says...
In this town I have seen the impossible... a big peach tree that pumps out the fruit and flourishing brown turkeys.Buggered if I or anyone I know can emulate this.The navels were asbig as grapefruit,juicy but bland and looked identical to how the minneola (they had navels on them) fruit looked.

Time: 18th January 2012 12:14am

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amanda says...
We both know those cases are anomalies Mike...I have lived in that town too. It's worth a bash sometimes tho, I guess.

I see awesome mangoe trees full of fruit 10kms down the road...I know exactly why they can grow them and I can't :)


Time: 18th January 2012 12:31am

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amanda says...
PS..what really annoys me is the lovely descriptions these fruit are given by the seller? eg: my Diggers club Capulin cherry was made to sound wonderful!?

It's been a huge dissapointment. When I finally got hold of a "horticulturalist" on the phone (they ignored my emails) they could not tell me anything about the trees they had ( that my cutting came from) A "generic"/home brand plant - yet again.

I getting very tired of this. I can put a seed in a pot and make it grow too.

They make a lot of these plants sound they will all taste great and will grow almost anywhere. Buyer beware...

Time: 18th January 2012 12:54am

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MaryT says...
Yes, Amanda. The joy ends after combing through tempting catalogues, buying the plants (cutting grown from Diggers), nurturing them into ungrateful trees that yield disappointments. You and Mike have convinced me to give them the chop!

Time: 18th January 2012 7:29am

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John Mc says...
Just gotta say I'm the proud owner of a grafted black Brazillian cherry this arvo. Although not listed, Chester from Forbidden Fruits had one that I gently persuaded him to sell to me. ($35) + 25 freight.
I don't know if I should plant it beside the excellent producing red Brazillian cherry or plant it as far away as I can to isolate it for growing on the black var seeds.

Time: 21st April 2012 10:17pm

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Mike says...
John Mc I wonder if they taste any different from the red ones.Have you tried them?

Time: 21st April 2012 10:30pm

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John Mc says...
By all reports Mike they are much sweeter, that's all I know. I haven't tried them myself but those that can't stand the reds do like the black. Sorry I can't be of any more assistance. As soon as the tree is big enough, I'l be propagating the hell out of it, there's been a few people wanting it over the years but it's been unobtainable.
As the season for the red Brizillian cherries close, I got quite fond of them.

Time: 21st April 2012 10:52pm

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MaryT says...
John Mc Brazillian cherries are classified as weeds up north (top half of oz) so there's been a movement to eradicate it. Probably not a problem around here.

Time: 22nd April 2012 6:59am

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john says...
Are you sure that it is a grafted black pitanga? . Last time I saw only seedlings

Time: 22nd April 2012 7:08am

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Mike says...
Pitanga don't seem to go feral in NQ and northern Australia generally.Fruit trees that have gone feral are tropical guava,cherry guava,pond apple,cashew,stringy mango,coffee,indian jujube and passionfruit.They are extemely minor compared to pasture grasses and legumes that are being wilfully spread,change entire landscapes and will never make weed lists because cows eat them.There are also many ornamental garden escapees but few have the same level of infestation as the pasture species.

Time: 22nd April 2012 7:31am

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MaryT says...
"pasture grasses and legumes that are being wilfully spread,change entire landscapes and will never make weed lists because cows eat them" - well said, Mike. The 'weed authorities' are pretty biased in that way. There are so many good things we could grow except for authorities telling us the interest of commerce comes first, yet so often the interest of commerce conflict with the interest of the environment, our health and well being. What we do as backyard growers are seen as a threat yet no one sees the destruction of habitats for the diversity of flora and fauna as malicious. I can go on but perhaps I've hijacked the pitanga topic long enough. :)

Time: 22nd April 2012 7:49am

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Mike says...
Mary there are dozens of 'green cane toads',many of which are considered amongst the worlds worst weeds only beginning their march.Their path into the country and dispersal is not subject to real scrutiny.It is enough to make you sceptical about biosecurity priorities,weed list and weed control.

Time: 22nd April 2012 8:11am

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John Mc says...
Yes John, the first thing I went looking for was the graft union, it is quite high up, and comming from Chester I tend to believe he knows what he is doing.
BTW, I have never seen grafted on Daley's plant list, only seedlings.

Time: 22nd April 2012 8:36am

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Mike says...
One last highjack of the thread and I'll let the weeds go.Some of grasses in particular for Qld I was talking about are para,buffel,aleman,hymenachne,mission,guinea and grader with many more to follow in their footsteps.Weed problems posed by fruit trees are very modest by comparason.

Time: 22nd April 2012 8:38am

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VF says...
Sorry to hear about poor Pitanga experiences. At my previous property I had a created a hedge with seedlings - yes, some were quite nasty but the sweet ones were very tasty. So much so, when I have asked for family input about what fruit trees I should plant, both my husband and daughter asked if I could plant some again...

Time: 22nd April 2012 12:25pm

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MaryT says...
VF the question we're all asking in our heads on reading about this sweet tasty Pitanga is: can you you go back to that property and take cuttings off that tree?

Time: 22nd April 2012 12:41pm

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VF says...
Mary T, the next time I'm out that way I'll go see, but hopefully all's not lost as I did collect seed from the sweet plants. I know from personal experience how variable the seedlings can be (all were from same plant), but hoping for at least a few good ones again...

Time: 22nd April 2012 1:04pm

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MaryT says...
I wish you luck, VF. It's not easy to part with a favourite fruit tree. Good thing you have its seeds...

Time: 22nd April 2012 4:09pm

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David says...
Hi Mary now back from the Hols, met Tino Carnivale in Hobart last week, spoke to him on avos and the best way to grow them , interesting man, and so obliging with info, anyway i have a grafted black and a seedling black, pitanga not sure which will fruit first, but was told that seedlings do come relatively true to seed

Time: 28th April 2012 2:35pm

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