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We have a pleach tree or maybe by some other name. It is a cross between a plum and a peach. Absolutely the best.
red furry skin, with a layer of red flesh then to white in the centre. Any ideas of its real name and where can we get another one.

Time: 6th May 2009 8:08pm

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Jimmy says...
Pluot, aprium, plumcot are the only integenrix ones.

Sure a pewch is involved?

Time: 7th May 2009 4:48pm

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mycher says...
Thanks for the reply Jimmy, definitely looks like a peach on the outside with the fur except it is deep red like a blood plum with fur. The leaf of the tree is like a peach. The fruit inside is like a peach but has a distinct taste with plum overtones. It was orginally bought as an Anzac peach, but is definitely not one. We also have in our garden the variaties you mentioned, so we are not mistaking this one for one of those. Hope you can enlighten me further.
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Time: 11th May 2009 12:28pm

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Jimmy says...
If its furry, its a peach, the rest are hairless.

Must be some kind of throwback?

Time: 11th May 2009 1:44pm

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Firefly says...
I did a bit of googling and found some images for an Indian Blood Peach that appears to match your description.

Couldn't find any info that the variety is supposed to be present in Australia, though, just the US and Europe.
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Time: 11th May 2009 7:03pm

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Adam says...
Sounds like it is a variety of red fleshed peach (peche de vigne, blood peach etc), there are a number of different types about.

The "Black Boy" peach is relatively common in New Zealand, this has a very dark flesh.

Time: 12th May 2009 3:01pm

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mycher says...
Thank you to Firefly and Adam. Your pic is exactly what it is...Glad to see that there are some people out there that know what I am talking about. Took a fruit to 6 plus nurseries (not Bunnings) and all of them didnt have a clue. Once again Many thanks to all who helped.



Time: 12th May 2009 4:58pm

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Adam says...
Sounds like you might have something interesting, I haven't seen a red fleshed peach for sale in Australia to date.

Time: 13th May 2009 10:33am

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Firefly says...
mycher, since it seems your peach tree is a rare variety you may like to try sharing or selling some scionwood or budwood.

Time: 13th May 2009 6:20pm

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Julie says...
mycher, does it taste good? That's all I really want from a peach - I don't care what it looks like!

I still grow Hale Haven, an old-fashioned variety that no-one grows any more. It's delicious and bears heavily.

Time: 14th May 2009 2:05pm

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mycher says...
Hi Julie, this is a very different taste to a normal peach. Can be a little on the tart, but gives a hint of plum flavour to the peach, that's why I thought it was a peach/plum cross. Just having some now from the storage, (good old fowlers vacola) with cream. Unbelievable flavour. When you preserve or stew this peach, all the juice runs red and colours the whole fruit. Hubby is going to try and grow some from the pips. Here's hoping.
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Time: 15th May 2009 7:54pm

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Firefly says...
mycher, you'd be guaranteed to get the same variety if you grew a new tree from grafts of this old one.

Yalca fruit trees
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Alternatively, you could buy any random peach tree and try to graft onto it yourself.

Time: 16th May 2009 7:52am

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mycher says...
thanks Firefly, will look them up. Husband is a great gardener, but grafting is beyond him.

Time: 18th May 2009 8:20pm

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Cindy says...
Hi Mycher, I've been trying to get my hands on one of these trees or some seeds to plants. Would you mind sharing a few stones/pips?

Time: 1st June 2009 1:50pm

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mycher says...
Hi I have no pips or stone at the moment, but happy to send some during the next season. My email is
cjj@iprimus.com.au. Please contact me and will organise something.

Time: 4th June 2009 4:17pm

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Julie says...
mycher, to be on the safe side and prevent spam, write your email address cjj at iprimus dot com dot au.:)

Time: 4th June 2009 6:47pm

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mycher says...
thanks Julie. Always something new to learn...

Cheers

Time: 15th June 2009 7:53pm

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Jason says...
Hi Mycher. I managed to find a 3 year old mature Pleach last sunday at Bunnings. The staff didnt seem to know much about it but I thought it was too good to pass up so bought it. Approx 7 feet tall and $110

The sign said Plum x Peach and a bunnings price tag on the pot said Pleach.

I cant seem to find much about them. In America it appears to be called a Tri Lite.

Ill post some pictures of mine when i get a chance with the camera in some daylight.

Time: 23rd June 2009 10:56pm

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Jason says...
Still cant seem to get home early enough so heres a photo tonight. Ive also scanned the price tag so you can see the name.
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Time: 25th June 2009 10:55pm

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russ says...
is it double graft - plum and peach on the same tree, rather than a cross as such?
Just wondered as i have been trying to source a double graft peach and nectarine as i want, peach, but the Mrs wants nectarine and we only have space for 1.

Time: 30th June 2009 8:51pm

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Jason says...
I originaly thought this when i spotted it but bunnings lady was very doubtful and compared it to a plumcot. ie a cross and not grafts.

Here is a close shot of the main branches if you can spot a graft or not. (I would be more than happy with 2 fruits but at present im considering it to be just the 1)

Do plums graft with peaches?
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Time: 30th June 2009 9:33pm

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peter says...
jason,
picture no.1 just at the horizontal
cut in the trunk which is about level
with the top of the pot is where the
lppks to be.

Time: 30th June 2009 10:01pm

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peter says...
and that funny word should be looks.

Time: 30th June 2009 10:02pm

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peter says...
and normaly a double graft would have
two branches rising from beside that
horizontal cut.

jason.
if you dig down into the soil in the top
of the pot how far down can you get before you find any roots?

Time: 30th June 2009 10:08pm

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Jason says...
Roots are almost immediate below the surface. Looks like a single graft onto some root stock but no double grafts.

My guess, a hybrid which is not that common. Ill be interested to see how the fruit is.

Time: 30th June 2009 11:03pm

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mycher says...
Hi Jason, I think you may have two trees grafted onto one. There is actually no single variety called a Pleach. I made that up originally when trying to get a name for mine. Mine is a Blood Peach or Blackboy Peach as know in NZ. Think someone must have sneaked a few pips in and grew it. I bought mine from a private seller at a country market. Have not come across one again.
Good luck with your pleach. Very handy to have to fruits on one tree, save of space and pruning..

Time: 9th July 2009 8:32pm

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Jason says...
Bunnings had this one displayed as a Pleach (See image of label above).

I'd be quite happy with either a cross fruit or 2 different varieties. I guess ill see come spring which way it is.

Time: 10th July 2009 8:58pm

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Dave says...
I bought one (a Pleach) from local nursery today. Wood looked like a peach or nectarine, but more red in colour.

Label also included "leaf curl fungus resistant"...this attracted me, as we have severe leaf curl fungus problems here.
Any comments on your experiences with resistance to fungus or fungi?

Looking forward to getting it established.

Time: 21st July 2009 7:17pm

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Lizzie says...
Blackboy peaches fabulous. Grow from stones & they fruit within a couple of years. Just remove stones & freeze in plastic bags. Cook by putting into boiling syrup & JUST bring to boil. BEAUTIFUL. No spaying required.Peaches need too much spraying but these beauties are easy care & organic!

Time: 16th August 2009 1:35pm

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Julie says...
I've never heard of Blackboy peaches. Is it a variety commonly grown in NZ?

What do you mean by 'these... are organic'? Isn't that just the method used to grow them?

You mention cooking - are they nice to eat raw?

Time: 16th August 2009 3:07pm

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James says...
I had a PLEACH given to me and it grew for 3 years then rotted at the graft and blew over!! DISASTER because I never got to graft it and it was not only the sweetest most delicious fruit but because of the grotty grey wooly skin the birds didn't even see them!!!! I just managed to buy 2 more from Flower Power in Warrigal Road, Chadstone (next to office works) but no more left!! Maybe next Winter. Can't wait for my new ones to fruit!!

Time: 16th August 2009 11:38pm

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Lizzie says...
Yes Black Boy peaches are quite common in NZ. Organic as never need spraying. OK raw but need to be ripe as a bit sharp otherwise & skin is on the furry side!.A mature tree produces 100s of kilos of fruit.

Time: 23rd August 2009 3:23pm

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Julie says...
Lizzie, do you get Mediterranean fruit fly in NZ? That's the only thing I have to spray for. Otherwise, completely organic.

Time: 24th August 2009 2:29pm

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Jason says...
I can now confirm that mine is a hybrid. All the tree has the same fruit and leaves. It does look half way between a Peach and Plum also.

Pics in My Edibles.

Time: 3rd November 2009 2:23pm

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Jason says...
Pic from today
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Time: 3rd November 2009 2:26pm

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Lizzie says...
Hi Julie,
No we don't have the Mediterranean fruit fly in NZ. We have 3 Black Boy peaches that were planted 2 years ago [seedlings grown from stones] & this Spring they are absolutely covered with fruit. The "mother" tree was a beauty so hoping the "Babies" will be just as good. I love the fact that they never have to be sprayed.

Time: 8th November 2009 3:40pm

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alby says...
i would like to grow one of these black boy peaches , i tasted one in N Z many years ago and was amazed at size and taste but have never seen in australia.

Time: 21st November 2009 7:44pm

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mycher says...
Hi Alby, I started this whole thread re black boy peaches, as I actually have one tree. Am going to collect some stones this year and try and see if they will grow fruit bearing from the pips...and yes, they are an amazing fruit. will keep the forum informed of my progress...

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Roscoe says...
I was just flicking thru and found your blogs...Fleming's are releasing some NEW Interspecific fruit next Winter. Within the range will be a mild-sub acid nectarine with the tanginess of a plum, skin Bright maroon-red with white flesh called 'Spicezee' (also other plum/apricots and apricot/plums). Thinking a stray may have got in but as I understand it all are covered by Plant Breeders Rights. Details on their website, www.flemings.com.au



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Jimmy says...
Yeah, old stuff www.davewilson.com has sold them in the USA for years.

Time: 5th January 2010 7:04pm

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Roscoe says...
Yep that's right Jimmy, originated at Zaiger's in California..First time release to Australian Home Gardeners I believe...great selection in your edibles.

Time: 6th January 2010 12:06pm

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Jimmy says...
If you go to www.factree.com.au you can see what the Fleming family have access to and extra detailed info about that variety.

Time: 6th January 2010 2:45pm

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Julie says...
If anyone is interested, all the trees that end with 'zee' are genetically engineered.

I don't actually want to start a discussion on wether you think this is a good thing or not - just letting people know.

Organic orchardists are not allowed to grow these.



Time: 6th January 2010 9:23pm

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Julie says...
If anyone is interested, all the trees that end with 'zee' are genetically engineered.

I don't actually want to start a discussion on wether you think this is a good thing or not - just letting people know.

Organic orchardists are not allowed to grow these.



Time: 6th January 2010 9:23pm

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Jimmy says...
What a load of tripe, Zee just means they have been bred by Zaiger Genetics.

Time: 11th January 2010 4:05pm

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Jimmy says...
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1929-Boston-Sustainable-Food-Examiner~y2009m5d20-Are-hybrid-fruits-sustainable

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eidnar says...
I have a pleach tree. or rather I have a plum and a peach tree with three fruits. A peach a plum and a pleach. The pleach is smooth on the outside but has a peach seed rather then the smooth plum seed. The pleach is not as pretty as a peach since the surface is not smooth. The fruit is green and purple when it has not ripened. When it ripens it looks like a ugly plum but it tastes great.

Time: 3rd July 2010 8:29am

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Jason says...
I have two of these, "pleaches" pretty much a more sour red-purple peach, it's not anything uncommon I'm pretty sure ours came from flemmings as a "pleach" about 15 years ago. It's exactly like the one in the picture. The original one is a grafted tree but for some reason or another it readily grows from droped seeds around the plant (normal peaches don't here) and the seedlings grow and fruit in only 3 years. So I have another one that's a seedling, it's exactly the same as the parent apart from being one week earlier.

It's also the only peach I have that doesn't get affected by peach curl

Time: 3rd July 2010 8:40am

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epiphany says...
Mycher...how did you go with your blackboy peach pits? Someone from another forum gave me 4 stones a couple of years ago (I'm from NZ originally & had been looking for blackboys for a long time with no luck). I gave 2 to someone else & planted 2. The other person's stones germinated...but they developed some weird disease & died. One of mine germinated & is doing very well so far. I'd like to try & get hold of more stones if possible from someone who is 100% sure their tree is a blackboy. Simply because I'm sort of worried something will happen to mine or it'll end up being something else (lol...I'm such a worrier). Blackboys are divine as a cooked or bottled peach - I have very fond memories of them from when I was a kid (my grandparents had a huge tree). And the good thing is they grow true to type from pits, so no budwood required.

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Rob says...
Can anyone tell me if peaches will fruit well when grown from pips/seeds. I have so many of them coming up in my veggie garden from the compost but wasn't sure weather to get rid of the or not?


Time: 2nd December 2010 6:45pm

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Tracey says...
I was born and bred in NZ, and have been looking to buy a blackboy peach tree in Auz for so long, no one seems to know the real name of it! I did see a few years ago on burke's back yard a man in hobart has plenty and produce's his own home wine from it. unfortunately everytime I've tried to find out who and where to get one I have no luck... they are beautiful raw or you can stew them if you ever try to sell cuttings or graft's please email me. I now they grow best in the cooler climate, they are everywhere in canterbury, christchurch. enjoy your blackboy peach tree, yum yum.

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Brad says...
I happened to notice a blackboy peach label at a Perth nursery (Dawsons Forrestfield) today, so you can get them under that label in australia

Time: 4th January 2011 1:19am

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Kim says...
Hey Brad, I just visited Dawsons in Forrestfield and couldn't see it, and the lady at the counter had never heard of. Which part of the nursery did you find it?
Thanks!

Time: 8th January 2011 2:57pm

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Troy says...
Thats funny, I visited them too today and had the same response, the girl is going to see if they have ever had it in aparently they get odd varieties in from time to time. I will post what I find.

Time: 8th January 2011 10:09pm

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Brad says...
I'm really sorry if I got it wrong but I believe that's what I saw on the label but I didn't really go and look at it. If I'm in the area I'll take another look

Time: 9th January 2011 3:38am

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dane says...
Hey there. Growing up my parents had a small orchard with many different varieties of fruit trees. Some of which I loved as a child and now would like to grow myself. I remember often checking the halehaven peach after school each day to see if one was ready for the taking. I would now like fo grow them myself. Do you know where I may find some. Any help would be great. I live in Kendenup, jucst north of Mt Barker.

Many thanks Dane

Time: 15th March 2011 9:58pm

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Julie says...
You will be very lucky to find it. I have one which is about 15 years old, and it really is a delicious peach. No longer grown commercially - don't know why.

Time: 16th March 2011 1:19pm

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Jeremy Tscharke says...
Yes, it is actually called a "Pleach" cross between a Peach and a Plum. They are relatively new to the market and information on them is hard to find. Any reputable nursery will be able to order you one in though.

Good Luck

Time: 5th June 2011 6:52pm

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Jason says...
Like everyone says here they are more less invisible to birds and leaf curl proof

Time: 5th June 2011 7:17pm

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Liz says...
Jason would you be able to save some pleach seeds for me this season? I would love to try and grow a tree. One or two seeds would be fantastic. If you are willing to send them please let me know the cost of package and postage Keeping my fingers crossed.

Time: 6th June 2011 3:05pm

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Jason says...
Liz, if I go and have a look around I'll probably find some already germinated on the ground towards the end of Winter or early Spring. If you remind me again then I should be able to send a couple of those. They tend to germinate freely for some reason, much easier than a real peach or real plum :0. They only take a couple/few years to fruit from seed too

Time: 6th June 2011 3:33pm

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Liz says...
Yay, thankyou so much Jason. My contact email is dennishabana at gmail dot com. Please send me your email address so I can remind you. I really am truly grateful to you for making this effort for me. Cheers.

Time: 7th June 2011 2:17pm

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Cindy says...
Hi Jason,
I've been trying to hunt one of these down for over two years (I posted on this thread june 2009). Just read your post that you may have some germinated pleach seedlings. If you have anymore after you send some to Liz, would I be able get some. My email is cindysuen at hotmail dot com, like Liz says would you please email me so I can remind you to keep an eye out for them, I'll pay for all shipping and packing cost. Regards, Cindy

Time: 14th June 2011 4:29pm

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CAHiWay49 says...
We were in New Zealand this spring (fall there) and they were harvesting Black Boy peaches which sound just like what you guys are talking about in this forum thread. The owner on the farm stay where we had the peach said that she started the tree from seed and that it was an old, open pollinated peach variety. I have only had them stewed and they were delicious. Didn't have the nerve to try to smuggle peach pits in to California...probably a good idea, but have been looking on and off ever since for a source...even for someone who had heard of the Black Boy Peach.

Really good peach and best of all, you can start seedlings and give them to friends. If I go back to NZ will first try to get a permit to import a few pits...will be the priciest peach tree ever!

Time: 26th June 2011 3:44am

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fiddlesticks says...
Hi there, I know this forum has been going for years, but just thought I'd update the keen beans.
I saw a Pleach tree today and snaffled it up because I thought it sounded interesting. On reading this forum Im happy I did, dosent sound too common.
If anyone is interested the tag says "Pleach Plum -Peach Cross"
The back of the lable says "Pleach Prunus persica x salicina
Medium sized deep burgundy coloured fruit has skin similar to peach , and the flesh is dark red with the texture of a blood plum. Eaten as fresh fruit, and used for stewing and preserves- Freestone"
Maturity "Late Feb (Late season)"
Self Pollinating
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Name of company is JFT Nurseries, and Norwood 2010.
I got mine at the Queanbeyan garden centre - have not seen them at any other garden centres in Canberra region and Ive looked at lots checking out this seasons bare rooted stock.
so there you go - they do exist!
Happy to give away cuttings for grafting stock next year.
Cheers

Time: 5th July 2011 5:27pm

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epiphany says...
I'm happy to report my seedling Black Boy peach is doing well & hasn't succumbed to anything yet (fingers crossed). There are so many people in Australia looking for them, according to the various forums I've been to...I'm surprised someone hasn't starting selling true Black Boys yet. I'd be really interested to compare a Black Boy with a Pleach...they sound rather similar.

Time: 5th July 2011 10:11pm

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amanda says...
Is Norwood the company who make the tags for the trees - or a nursery?

Time: 6th July 2011 9:20am

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Jimmy says...
Norwood is a generic label prinet for the nursery industry

Time: 6th July 2011 10:49am

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fiddlesticks says...
Yes - I googled it, norwood just make the plastic labels. Important bit is it is JFT Nurseries who produced the "Pleach" I bought, looks like they're a wholesaler - so you'd probably have to ask a local nursery to order 1 in from them next bare root season.

Time: 8th July 2011 6:19pm

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fiddlesticks says...
OK here is a copy of the label from the 'Pleach' tree I just bought as a bare rooted plant last week for anyone interested.
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Time: 9th July 2011 8:06pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
Fiddlesticks, may I request some scion wood when you have some to spare?
angavar (at) yahoo (dot) com

Time: 10th July 2011 10:20am

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Brad says...
Pleach is in here for those still looking http://www.perrysfruitnursery.com.au/documents/Harvest_Winter11_web.pdf

Time: 12th July 2011 1:33am

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Jimmy says...
Peach novelties, does not bode well for good yeilds?

I'm pretty sure the one at Woods in Darlington is not a super cropper.

Time: 12th July 2011 2:49pm

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Rachel says...
I'm a Kiwi desperately wanting a Blackboy Peach, who has just returned from a visit to Perry's Nursery after your helpful post above Brad.

I am now the resplendent owner of a PLEACH. Apparently (According to Perry's) the Pleach = the Blackboy peach. Has to be marketed as Pleach as there's already a Blackboy cherry in Australia. Don't know where the peach x plum description (tag does say "thought to originate from") comes from except to get the idea of the red flesh?

Time: 7th August 2011 4:04pm

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tamet says...
Hi All you red peach folk. I too have been on the look out for a red fleshed peach ever since I discovered them in the autumn markets in Lyon France. I believe it is fairly local and traditional to that region of France where it is known as Peche de Vigne. In English I have seen it described as Sanguine Peach or Blood Peach.

Any thoughts on whether this Blackboy-Pleach (awful name really) variety may have originated there.

You may find this website about heritage French varieties as beguiling as I do. For Englsih just copy the website URL into Google Translate.
http://www.pommiers.com/peche/pecher.htm

The image is from this site http://www.delbard-direct.fr/tous-nos-produits/arbres-fruitiers/fruits-a-noyau/p-cher-sanguine-de-savoie.html?utm_source=netaffiliation&utm_content=pommiersdotcom&utm_medium=textes&utm_campaign=generique
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Time: 28th September 2011 2:52pm

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Bobcat says...
Just bought one in taste last week

Time: 10th October 2011 2:35pm

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Dena Eagle-Bear says...
Hi there, I have been looking for 20 years for a Black Boy Peach tree. I would pay for some of your stones.
Dena

Time: 15th November 2011 11:09am

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eileen says...
Just came across this posting. BlackBoy peaches are able to be bought as trees from garden centres. I bought mine at Palmers (approx 6 yrs ago)and then bought another at Mitre 10 a few years ago. They grow well from the stones, and pop up everywhere if left in ground. Super bottled and in jam. Be careful as they bruise very very easily. This year 2012 in Auckland has been amazing as trees are full of fruit, as are the golden queens.

Time: 4th March 2012 9:16pm

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kiwima says...
I have just brought a pleach from Stonemans Nursery in Glenorchy, Tasmania. To me it looks very much like our 'Blackboy' peach in New Zealand

Time: 11th June 2013 2:44pm

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CPEH says...
I had purchased a pleach tree some 30 years ago, and was so impressed I bought another one about 10 years ago. An amazing cropper. But you must pick the fruit as they freely drop off and bruise as mentioned. You will be picking one, and the next one along will just drop. Mine have just ripened this week, second week of March in the Western District of Vic. It sure surprises many folk who do not know pleaches, when they open up the free stone fruit and see the colour pattern!
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Time: 13th March 2015 9:26pm

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DMcB says...
Anyone know if it's possible to mail fruit seeds internationally? I'd love to reimburse someone for mailing a pleach pit to the USA so I can try growing one of these at home!

Time: 16th January 2017 8:40am

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suebee says...
My parents have a Pleach tree and it's the best fruit! An old aunt brought a seed back from NZ years ago (naughty girl). We have managed to grow them from seed. Best as jam or stewed. love them.

Time: 5th November 2017 3:02pm

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Fruitylicious1 says...
Pleach tree a combo of peach and plum is available at Yalca Fruit Tree Nursery in Victoria next year. They only mail them bare rooted during winter.

Time: 6th November 2017 8:17pm

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BlackThumbed says...
Hello, I was wondering if anybody had any scionwood / budwood they could give me next season as i really want to try and graft this onto my stone fruit tree. Thank you!


Time: 13th November 2017 8:10pm

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