Poor Man's Orange - What is it and is it the best citrus for making Marmalade? (forum)

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I was given some homemade marmalade the other day. I was told it was made using Poor Man's Orange. I spent a few hours on the internet searching for information about what a Poor Man's Orange was and have determined it is most likely the citrus being sold by Daleys as Honnefs Surprise
Orange - Grapefruit
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/plant/Honnefs-Surprise-Orange-Grapefruit.htm

Q. is this correct

Other contenders might be...

Citrus paradisi
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/grapefruit.htm

OR perhaps a Tangelo might substitute for making marmalade?

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/tangello.htm


Any suggestions welcomed.


Other refs..
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/tangelo.html (Tangelo - contains ref to Poor Man's Orange)
http://www.thenibble.com/zine/archives/robert-lambert-marmalade.asp (info about marmalade - contains ref to Poor Man's Orange)

Note: The marmalade recipe followed was got from a very old copy of The Esk Valley Cookery Book, book being at least 70 years old.

Time: 29th January 2008 4:05pm

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Kath says...
The Honnefs surprise is the most similar fruit to the poor mans orange that we carry. The poor mans orange is also called the New Zealand Grapefruit or New Zealand gold.

Time: 30th January 2008 10:28am

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nullumnews says...
After conversing with Kath at Daleys I was told that Daleys would best suggest the Honnefs Surprise as the closest to being what's referred to as a Poor Mans orange...
Honnefs Surprise (Orange - Grapefruit)
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/plant/Honnefs-Surprise-Orange-Grapefruit.htm

Daley's brains trust suggested for reference that a New Zealand Grapefruit is what's thought of by them as a poor mans orange and they once had a stock plant but they have it no longer nor did they know of anyone who did.

I googled again for information On New Zealand Grapefruit.

I found again a previous link...
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/tangelo.html (Tangelo - contains ref to Poor Man's Orange)

I feel if one was after fruit of a poor mans orange (New Zealand Grapefruit) and couldn't source any then the next best thing would be the Honnefs Surprise or a Tangello.
Daleys have a small stock of Honnefs Surprise if anyone was wanting one.

Time: 30th January 2008 10:44am

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nullumnews says...
Thanks Kath :)

Reason I was especially after Poor Mans Orange was the fellow who made the marmalade was adamant he wouldn't bother making marmalade again unless he could source the exact fruit.
I will let him know that there's little likelihood of getting hold of the real thing and that he would be better placed to substitute with something else.

I've have made Lime Marmalade a few times using Tahitian Limes and it was really rewarding, a very nice marmalade! I think I will knock up a batch sometime soon and give him a bottle, that might sway him ;)

Time: 30th January 2008 10:51am

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nullumnews says...
Just one more ref I found might be usueful to have it added to here...

'Poorman Orange' (syn. "New Zealand Grapefruit", "Kawau Grapefruit" and "Sunfruit") is the rind of choice for those who make their own marmalade jam. It was reported to have been brought to Australia from Shanghai in China in 1820 and specimens sent to New Zealand in 1855, where it gained some notoriety. This is the 'Sunfruit' that is grown in Swaziland and exported to England for their marmalade craving. (syn. "New Zealand Grapefruit", "Kawau Grapefruit" and "Sunfruit") is the rind of choice for those who make their own marmalade jam. It was reported to have been brought to Australia from Shanghai in China in 1820 and specimens sent to New Zealand in 1855, where it gained some notoriety. This is the 'Sunfruit' that is grown in Swaziland and exported to England for their marmalade craving.

from here...

http://www.greenfingers.com.au/services/digging_deeper/citrus/Grapefruits.htm

Time: 30th January 2008 11:05am

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Dave says...
I stumbled upon this forum while looking for information on Bergamot marmalade. The "Poorman orange," according to c. Ann Wilson in her book on marmalade was originally used for a rough skinned citrus (unidentified) but was later used in New Zealand for the "Flat Seville orange." That orange is identified as a common rootstock in some citrus web sites here in the U.S., but precisely how it differs from other strains of Seville orange, I do not know.

Time: 13th May 2008 4:11am

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Lachlann says...
Louis Glowinski says that the poorman orange is used as a substitute for grapefruit in New Zealand because it is less bitter in cooler climates, and implies that we should try the same in cold parts of Ausralia.

Time: 13th May 2008 4:45pm

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Elizabeth Hutchings says...
I am currently writing my biography (81 years)and have come to the years 1953 to '55 spent in Avondale, Auckland. I always made marmalade with our own New Zealand Grapefruit trees (often using our own lemons as well). And of course we ate them instead of oranges. DELICIOUS. I see on Google they are a cross between pummelo and mandarin. Sorry no picture.

Time: 3rd June 2008 6:37pm

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Evelyn says...
Last week while walking around Drummoyne, Sydney, I found a box of fruit near the footpath with a notice that said something like "Free. Poor Mans Orange or NZ grpefruit. Make good marmalade or juice." I took a small bagful and have just made some fabulous marmalade!

Time: 16th August 2008 8:47pm

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Julie says...
It is hard to say what is the best citrus to use for marmalade, as it comes down to personal tastes.

I make marmalade from Navel oranges, mandarins, cumquats and Seville oranges. They are all popular with different people. My (grown-up) kids won't touch marmalade!

Time: 17th August 2008 8:26pm

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Crowie says...
To nullumnews North Coast, I tried making Lime marmalade using Tahitian limes but was not happy with the results, so would appreciate your recipe

Time: 7th April 2009 3:12pm

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nullunews says...
Search the internet for other recipes if this one isn't to your liking.

Tip: if you don't alrady have one then buy yourself a Jam Thermometer, fairly cheap, under $10 usually, they make jam making easy.
So long as you get the amounts right with the ingredients then all you need to do is get the mix to 104C and at that moment it _will become_ jam! No guessing involved. It's all chemical on one level, once the mix reaches that temp, so long as you've met the ingredient amounts correctly it _will_ set as jam, too easy!

Tip: Use a search engine like google or yahoo and type in ---> lime marmalade recipe
Here's the recipe that I use.


Lime Marmalade (with a hint of ginger)


Ingredients

4 cups thinly sliced limes, halved and deseeded (8 medium sized fruit will be about right)
A good knob of ginger peeled and sliced into thin slivers
7 1/4 cups water
7 cups sugar (approx for this amount of limes)

Method

Combine lime slices, ginger slivers and the water into a large stainless steel saucepan or boiler.
Bring the mix to a boiling.
Reduce the heat and simmer, uncovered for 45 minutes to an hour or until the peels are very soft.

Remove from the heat and

Time: 9th April 2009 11:15pm

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PW says...
I can't give you any info on your poor orange, but I did make wonderful marmalade using otherwise disappointing tangellos.

Time: 10th April 2009 3:04pm

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Peggie says...
We came to New Zealand in 1957 and were giiven Poormans oranges. the marmalade was as good as the Seville we were used to. I have never been able to get them since. Surely some grower has a tree or two.
I am no longer permitted to eat grapefruit,hence the interest.

Time: 13th May 2009 8:05am

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Peggie says...
You were leaving as we were arriving in N.Z. The poormans oranges we were given were bitter,just like sevilles,but eventually grew our own sweet oranges,and grapefruit and tangellos etc. Come back,and enjoy the Passion---(fruit)

Time: 13th May 2009 8:18am

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Adam says...
They tend to be called "New Zealand Grapefruit" now, so you might have better luck searching under this name. In Australia you can buy them from Perry's in South Australia.

Time: 13th May 2009 10:23am

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Lachlann says...
To Evelyn of Newcastle;

I wonder who left the poorman oranges in Drummoyne? Chances are it was someone in an adjacent house. I wonder if they would mind donating a slip for budding?

Time: 15th May 2009 9:39am

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Speedy says...
Don't discount the possibility of growing them (Poor man's oranges from Drummoyne) from seed.
They might just take a little more time to fruit than graft or cuttings ,but thats one of the ways of getting new (unique) cultivars,
and put your own name to it.
Frank Meyer died in 1918 but we all know the 'Meyer Lemon'.

Sour oranges would be as good as any I'd imagine.

http://users.kymp.net/citruspages/souroranges.html#aurantium


Time: 15th May 2009 10:40am

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Adam says...
Frank Meyer didn't breed the lemon, he "discovered" it in China and imported it back to the USA. In China it was known as 'Hsiang tao' which is "fragrant peach".

The Poorman's Orange is thought to be a natural tangelo and as its seeds are monoembryonic, seedlings will not be true to type. Which isn't to say that it isn't an interesting thing to grow these citrus from seed, but it isn't a good way of getting a Poorman's Orange.

Time: 15th May 2009 11:41am

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Speedy says...
True, I am aware that Meyer found it under cultivation in China, same as the jujube cvs. that he introduced to the US.
I thought as I was writing, that it's not exactly the same as raising the seedling of a new cultivar worthy of naming and further propagating, and that someone would pick me up on it.
probably not the best example.

Nonetheless, I feel that grafted fruit trees (of many species) aren't as important (for home gardens) as the nursery industry would like to have us believe.
So many times I've heard of people asking about a seedling avocado... orange ...apple ..apricot...peach..plum etc. that came up in the compost or wherever, to have a nurseryman or garden personality on radio or TV say "get rid of it , it'll never fruit".
Rubbish!
With the exception of mutations, most cultivars originated from seedlings.
I do understand the importance of grafted trees to commercial growers and the home gardeners who just want 'that madarin cv' and want fruit asap.

But if you're a bit adventurous and you've got a bit of space and patience
Have a go at seeds.


Time: 15th May 2009 4:01pm

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Adam says...
In theory this is sound, but it isn't really practical. If you live near an area where fruit tree seedlings occur naturally (for instance near our back creek, which is full of seedling plum trees), you get the chance to find out just how bad some fruit can be! There are many (in fact most) cultivars that originated as seedlings, but the attrition rate is very high. Ultimately fruit trees are for producing fruit and an unknown seedling is less likely to do that for you.

Sticking to the example of a plum, rather then going for a seedling, I think time, money and effort is much better spent on a know variety. This year I've ordered Purple gage and Mirabelle to add to the Green gage, Coe's Golden Drop, Damson, Prue d'Agen etc. As yet not a single one of the dozens of seedlings down by the back creek as produced a plum any where close to the quality of Green gage. If one does I will promptly graft it into the orchard and give it a name. There is a reason why some varieties have been in cultivation for centuries.

Having said this I have some seedling citrus, but I collect citrus and these are an addition too the named varieties I already have. I wouldn't do it the other way around.

Time: 15th May 2009 5:03pm

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JR says...
I found a recipe in an old cookbook that is called Poor Man's orange marmalade or Pomelo marmalade. I have never heard of pomelos referred to by this name but my mother made marmalade from pomelos for years and it was suberb. The flavour was tart and the marmalde was very easy to make.

Time: 19th May 2009 9:27am

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Adam says...
In a lot of older books "Pomelo" (and spelling variations) is synonymous with "Shaddock" and the Poorman's was originally though to be a Shaddock. Shaddock can refer to a Pummelo or Grapefruit, depending on the source.

I've been given "Shaddock" fruit form old central Victorian citrus trees, they actually look a lot like a Poorman's, rather then a Grapefruit or Pummelo. There are or were quite a few different strains on Poorman's about, so the issue is very confused.

Time: 19th May 2009 1:47pm

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Speedy says...
in the late 1980's I heard of an old shaddock tree at the old Murray Downs Homestead across the river from Swan Hill.
It was an old tree back then , I dont know if it's still there or not.

Adam,
Off topic, but if you collect citrus you may be interested in a tree I grafted maybe 10yrs ago. It's a sweet lime. If you want I have scion wood or fruit(for seed) to offer if you're interested.
Hardly any acidity at all.
nice juice with addition of 20-25% lime juice.

Time: 19th May 2009 11:06pm

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Adam says...
There are old Shaddock trees here and there in central Victoria, some are there because they are important in the Chinese community. Mostly the fruit isn't very good quality, but sometimes you come across a better type.

I have a sweet lime, but are unsure if it will be the same type as yours. Large white flowers, with the leaves being distinctive in that they are slightly cupped? Would be great if it was something different.

Time: 20th May 2009 9:13am

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Speedy says...
Hi Adam,
it does sound like the same clone.
Lvs. are very distinctive.

Do you have 'Page'(Paige?) Tangor by any chance?
I had a tree in NNSW but I dont have access to it any more.
great for juicing, tight skin, very sweet mandarin flavour.

Time: 20th May 2009 11:05am

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Adam says...
Sorry, no tangor. At the moment I have Finger lime, native round lime, "Sunrise" Lime, Australian blood lime, etrog citron, Buddha's hand citron, Bergamont orange, Chinotto, Smooth Seville orange, Rangpur Lime, Sweet Lime, Australian Lime (non-native, released locally in the '80s), various kumquats, Calamondin, "Arnold" blood orange , Maltese blood orange, Poorman orange, Kaffir lime, West Indian lime, Limequat and a Djerook Leemo.


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amanda says...
Hi Adam - How does your west indian lime cope with your winter there?

Time: 20th May 2009 5:52pm

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Speedy says...
Nice collection Adam,
I've got an Austalian lime it hasn't fruited yet.
Do you know what species is it (or it's parents)?

Where was the native round lime from?

I picked the first west indian lime of my 3yr old seedling tree today.
Right now a piece of it is drowning in a glass of tequila on ice!

Time: 20th May 2009 6:16pm

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Adam says...
Amanda, here in Melbourne with no frosts the West Indian Lime grows well in the Summer and sulks in the winter, dropping leaves. I have it in a pot, but don't protect it. A friend that lives in a much more frost prone part of the State puts his into a green house and has no problems, in fact his tree is always covered in limes.

Engall's Nursery (Australia) sells an "Indonesian Lime", which is the djerook leemo as far as I can determine, or something very similar.

Time: 20th May 2009 7:19pm

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amanda says...
Adam - also - where did u get the djerook from? Are they available in Aust? Would be great if you have time to post a picture as I am really interested in these.

Time: 20th May 2009 7:19pm

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Adam says...
Speedy, I've been able to find nothing about the "Australian lime", which is frustrating. Mine sets a large amount of fruit,which I have pinched off as the tree is too young at the moment. I've left one fruit on for the moment it looks like a Tahitian lime or maybe a Lime/Lemon hybrid.

I actually bought the Round Lime or Dooja from Daleys here. There are also on line sources for some of the other native citrus like the Russell River and Mt White Lime. The two citrus I am really after are the native dessert lime and a true Seville orange, rather then the smooth seville.

Time: 20th May 2009 7:30pm

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Adam says...
Amanda - here is a link to the page with the Indonesian Lime.

http://www.engalls.com.au/Citrus/Limes/tabid/57/Default.aspx

Looks superficially like a cumquat, but completely different flavour profile.

Time: 20th May 2009 7:33pm

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sue says...
can anyone tell me where I can buy australian blood limes?

Time: 20th May 2009 8:06pm

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amanda says...
Thanks Adam - I'll give them a buzz 2morrow. Are u able to post a photo of your poormans? I'd like to to compare notes with my Dad in NZ on this one - he's a horticulturalist - maybe we can sort out the marmalade thing.

Time: 20th May 2009 8:08pm

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Adam says...
My tree is very young, so maybe not the best. One unusual thing about it is that the bark is sort of gray and scaley, unlike any other citrus.

Here is a link to some more information.

http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/new_zealand_grapefruit.html

Time: 20th May 2009 8:24pm

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amanda says...
Your tree would be the best adam i assure u! :) a photo of yours would be great as u seem to know a lot about these guys and then we can confirm with my dad and post "nullemnews" on the north coast. I think we are onto something here - lets get it sorted! After all it was the original topic to start with...

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Adam says...
So superficially it looks like a Smooth Seville Orange, with large dar leaves that that obvious petioles. However the Poorman's Orange has these dark streaks on the younger limbs, which turn into this rough grayish-black scales on the older limbs. What I've shown here is the graft point, you can see the more normal smooth citrus bark texture below the graft point.
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Time: 24th May 2009 11:20am

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amanda says...
Hi Adam - good stuff! I was wondering if we should a start a new forum topic (our own "nurseries on-line") for places where we find rare and unusual plants? We could all just add to it as we track things down?

I note that Stun'sail ships to WA and they have an amazing selection of heirloom apples for example.

Would this be helpful to everyone?

Time: 24th May 2009 12:42pm

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Julie`R says...
Excellent idea amanda! Some time ago I was keen to find out who had old fashioned varieties of fruit trees - ones no longer commercially available.

Backyard growers have different needs to commercial growers, and some of the older varieties had superior flavour.

I didn't have a lot of luck, but found a few, eg Stirling plum, Starking Delicious peach. I have Hale Haven peach, which to me is the best-tasting peach around. I have a small Fragar peach (white peach), but no fruit yet.

There is a guy in Chidlow who grows old varieties, mostly apples. But he is hard to get hold of and doesn't have email.

Time: 24th May 2009 8:21pm

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amanda says...
Hi Roleystone Julie!
I thought it would be useful too..I am sick of tracking these things down and then getting viral overloads on my computer (it just about crashed last nite!) plus it's a lot of work - the amount of 'fluff' u have to get thru is exhausting!. I will start a topic off...

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Big Kev says...
Looks like a fruit I have tasted, called ORANGE BERRY/Glycosmis citrifolia and Pentaphylla hope this helps

Time: 29th May 2009 12:20pm

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Bernie says...
Hi Julie, could you supply more info on the "Starking Delicious Peach" as I am looking at buying one but there is very little info on them.

Time: 9th June 2009 10:18am

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Julie says...
Hi Bernie. I don't actually have any info on Starking Delicious. I just heard someone talking about it, saying it was a variety no longer grown which was really nice. I am always interested in old varieties and keeping them going.

A guy who grows a lot of different fruit grafted it onto a peach seedling I grew from Fort Valley seed. Haven't had any fruit yet!

I will try and find out more, if I can get hold of him.




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nullumnews says...
Thanks very much Adam from Melbourne for tracking down somewhere that sells the Poorman Orange. I was thinking it was a lost cause.

I'm not after buying a plant myself but I'd almost bet they'd transport a plant to me here in NSW from South Australia if I were to ask. I don't believe there's any interstate restrictions selling citrus from one state to another and if there was I'd ask they take all proper steps to observe regulations and quarantines.

For the plant that supplied the fruit for the marmalade after which I began this topic... I don't think there's any option to obtain fruit from it since the last harvest. New owners of the property have proven to be unapproachable apparently.


For amanda's idea suggested in this thread, here's the Title and the URL of her new topic she has called...

RARE AND/OR UNUSUAL SUPPLIERS

https://www.daleysfruit.com.au/forum/rare-andor-unusual-suppliers/

I'll add ---> perrysfruitnursery.com.au


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warwick says...
Hi, just read notes , i have engalls nursery not far from me , will go and ask a few questions , i have just read
receipe to be used , thus my interest , my book is an old 1917 cook book from s.a.

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Mark says...
thanks for the lime marmalade recipe nullumnews.
I love lime marmalade and, unfortunately, lost my tree last year. Had to plant another one. I look forward to making the marmalade with ginger....must be a nice zing!

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Rob says...
I have just stumbled upon this forum while researching the old tree in my yard. I just nailed how to make marmalade, after a few attempts, with the last of the fruit this season. It is the best marmalade I or anyone else I know has tasted. The tree is something like this:

http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/new_zealand_grapefruit.html

But the pith is thicker. The fruit is acid, very sweet, not bitter like a grapefruit and with few seeds. The tree is in flower again with tiny fruit already forming. It was almost dead when we moved in 18 months ago; overgrown, black with scale and distressed from lack of water. A bit of TLC has rewarded us with this fantastic fruit. The garden is probably very old. There is a truly ancient white peach tree as well which I thought was dead until a year ago when it surprised us with masses of blossoms followed by sweet fragrant fruit.

Yes. I have green fingers. I want to take some cuttings of the citrus tree to see if will grow in southern Victoria. The house is rented but I don't want to lose this fruit. If anyone wants cuttings please let me know.

Cheers,

Rob

Time: 28th September 2009 8:23am

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Adam says...
Hi Rob,

my parents live near Maldon, so I might even know the exact tree that you are talking about. There is at least one very old sweet orange tree in Maldon that produces small thicker skinned fruits with a sweet/acid fruit. Have attemped to raise seedlings from the tree, but these were killed of during the winter.

As you know most of the gardens in Maldon are under a huge amount of water stress (although the recent rain has helped a great deal), so that is great that you have manages to revieve these old fruit trees.

The New Zealand Grapefruit is throught to be a selection of the Australian Poorman's Orange, of which there seems to be several clones of. These is also a similar looking Smooth Seville Orange, which has large juicy sour fruit.

I would love some cuttings, do you have an email?

Time: 28th September 2009 10:18am

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Rob says...
Hi Adam,

I still have a few of the fruit here in South Yarra if you want to look at them. They are decidedly rough skinned and have a very distinctive taste and scent. Email me, rob@thermid.com. I might even be able to scare up some marmalade.

The seeds have only one set of cotlydons so I suppose the variety is monoembryonic. We are going to try to graft some specimens and see if they grow in Warrnambool. Can you offer some advice on rootstocks and grafting?

I am not sure if the tree is grafted. It is very hardy. It has its roots in heavy clay that stayed moist until the end of summer, then it dropped most of its fruit.

Cheers,

Rob






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Violet_Cactus says...
Rob, are you still giving away cuttings of that tree you saved?

Time: 19th January 2010 9:18pm

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belinda says...
I will be moving to brisbane in march and would like to plant some oranges on my property. I would also like to plant a cherry and an apple tree. I will be using the fruit for baking, smoothies, etc. I have no knowledge about gardening, so can anyone help me with what type of orange trees to plant? Thanks in advance.
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Brendan says...
Hi belinda,
Naval would have to top of the list. Blood orange would be next, followed by Valencia, then Joppa. Mind you, the top two would be the hardest to grow.

As for cherry & apple, someone else will know :-)

Time: 30th January 2010 7:11am

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recher says...
I thought for sure my poor man's orange came from daleys but if not must have been lyle wright but i still think daleys

didnt daleys carry it once upon a time?


it sucks as dessert fruit.

guess it makes good marmalade but so do several others

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Odie 1 says...
the last comment said that it is new zealand grapefruit or new zealand gold . it is a grape friut .not a new zealand gold, as this is a type of kiwi fruit. cheers from Odie in new zealand.

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Jason says...
I reckon Brisbane is well out of range for Cherries, Apples maybbbbe if you get a super low chill one and pull the leaves off to force it into some sleep.

But Banana and Mango smoothies... can't complain about that, that reminds me that I'm still not game to try an Avocado smoothie even after 10 years thinking about it

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Wayne says...
[Poor mans orange], would that be the Civil orange, very tart and is used in marmalade as it has a lot of pectin.

I have seen them only as seedlings, not grafted

Time: 12th August 2010 2:37pm

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Julie says...
Wayne, I think you mean 'Seville orange'. From what I've read here, they are quite different.

Sevilles apparently grow true from seed, so don't need grafting.

Time: 13th August 2010 9:10pm

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Wayne says...
Spot on Julie, thanks. I have only ever seen one tree and after tasting one I can understand why they are so rare

Time: 14th August 2010 7:45am

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Julie says...
I have a tree for marmalade, but have never wanted to taste one. They are called 'bitter orange' for a reason!

I think they are rare because so few people have the time (or care) to make marmalade. But true lovers of marmalade are dedicated - one lady travels about 40 ks every year to collect my oranges. They are never in the shops.

Time: 14th August 2010 7:44pm

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Rob says...
Hi All,

It looks like I got at least one reply in the past year and failed to reply. Sorry Violet Cactus.

The Poor Mans Orange tree is even healthier this year, with an enormous crop. I have not heeded to spray it in 18 months. I just seems to shake off any scale or wooly aphids that come near it.

I am giving back the house in Maldon this week, moving to the USA. If anyone wants fruit or cuttings please email me. rob@thermid.com.

Cheers,

Rob

Time: 16th August 2010 11:17am

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alicia says...
does anyone know where i can get indonesian lime and limequat...

I found indonesian lime in engall's but they dont deliver to melbourne...



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Kylie says...
I've bought a new house and it has a Poor Man's Orange tree in the garden. I don't know anything about citrus, but my mother identified which type of citrus the tree is as soon as it fruited. This is what she used to have regularly as a child when "real" oranges were too expensive. The fruit is the size of an orange, the skin is the colour and texture of a grapefruit, and the flesh is the colour of an orange. The fruit is sweet enough to eat without sugar (unlike a grapefruit), or to juice and drink. I haven't tried making marmelade because the tree is not fruiting well, and I think needs a lot of TLC.

The wood seems to have a bora or worm or something that has eaten it and damaged it, and the fruit is growing asymmetrically rather than round.

What should I feed this tree with? And how should I prune it? The tree could be as much as 32 years old.

I also have a Lisbon lemon. This has not fruited, but has been identified by the fact that there is a branch on one side of the tree that is entirely thorns, no leaves, and the other half of the tree is entirely leaves, no thorns. I wonder whether this is a Lisbon root-stock with a Meyer grafted on top, but I am just guessing as there is no fruit or flower buds.

How should I feed this tree? And how should I prune it? Would it be a good idea to prune the thorn branch away entirely?

Cheers
Kylie

Time: 1st August 2011 1:44pm

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amanda says...
Can we please change the photo on this topic? I am getting really tired of looking at this chick..!? :D

Time: 6th August 2011 11:34pm

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Brendan says...
How about this one amanda, a crappy garden! :-)
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Time: 7th August 2011 7:35am

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MaryT says...
I find the best to be the true Seville Orange, not the smooth variety. Cumquat is another favourite if you don't like the bitterness of the Seville. Otherwise I like to mix them (e.g. lemon, lime & cumquat w/wo ginger).
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amanda says...
Nice one guys! thanks! :) Love the loo's Brendan...very imaginative.

Time: 7th August 2011 11:27am

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Zpete says...
Hi people, I am an avid citrus lover.
My preference for eating and marmalade is NZ Poor Man's orange. I moved house some years ago, lemons, kaffir lime, mandarine all bought from nurseries. I find oranges so plentiful and cheap $ or less a kilo I have never planted them. NZ, Kerikeri oranges, not the best looking sizewise as Aust naval, Californian naval or Sth African Outspan, but far superior in taste, sweetness, and juice. I lived in Victoria for 9 years and once thought Aust oranges tops, sadly not now.
The real reason for my posting is to find out how to graft orange, am I able to use a lemeon tree and have both on the same tree. My dad, in Mt Waverley had, believe me, 9 varieties of plum on one tree, hard to believe until you saw them blossom and fruit.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Brain says...
there are plenty of youtube video on this topic as well as plenty of pdfs from universities (mainly USA) with illustrations. You might want to have a look first to get you an idea.

Next you will need is the right tools and time (Spring or Autumn), as well as the genetic material (in your case, orange scion).

to be honest, buying a $20 orange tree is probably the easiest option, as opposed to doing the above.

But having said that, i've once read some guy in the USA with more than 100 vareities of citrus on 1 tree. (Sorry, couldn't find the link).

So it depends on what your end goal is. Good luck.

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Ken Linder says...
I don;t know if their tree listing is current by you could try here (if they will ship to you)

http://www.perrysfruitnursery.com.au/our-trees.html

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wicky says...
poormans ornages are good for marmalade as not as sweet for those who like a slightly more savoury jam. They grow so well and crop so prolifically people give them away so the name


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