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Hello out there, does anyone know where I can buy a pouteria lucoma (?lucmo) in Australia? thanks Jantina

Time: 12th September 2008 9:02pm

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fruitist says...
Lucmo can be grown in SA. There are more hardy Poueria species. My 3 year old has 2 almost ripe fruits now. Fruit looks like a mini Papaya, abour 6 inches long. Try Limberlost at Cairns although they have trimmed down on fruit trees especially grafted ones last 3 years.

Time: 13th September 2008 1:13am

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HappyEarth says...
anyone know if the lucmo self-pollinating or do you need more than one tree ?

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Time: 13th September 2008 7:28am

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Jantina says...
Thankyou fruitist, I will chase that up.Happy Earth, that is a good question, hopefully Limberlost can tell me. My fruit bible(Louis Glowinski)only says that the lucmo will grow wherever lemons thrive and they certainly thrive here.I will let you know if I find out.

Time: 13th September 2008 8:53pm

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Jantina says...
HappyEarth, just checked out your website. A great read,informative and inspirational.Thankyou for all the hard work you put in to setting your site up and making it available to us. A big tick for believing that information should be and wants to be free!Lots of luck with your vision, I know how rewarding it is because we are doing much the same thing just in a cooler climate.

Time: 13th September 2008 9:47pm

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HappyEarth says...
Thanks for your kind words Jantina. Glad you enjoyed the site. Fantastic to hear you are doing similar things in south australia. Good luck with the lucmo ... let us know how it goes down the track when you managed to source and plant one out :)

Time: 13th September 2008 10:40pm

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Jantina says...
Dear Anonymous, thankyou for that info. Do you have a lucmo? Cheers Jantina

Time: 15th September 2008 6:40pm

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Jantina says...
Hello Fruitist, I wrote an email to you earlier but it seems to have escaped into cyberspace. Anyway I was interested to hear more about the hardy pouterias you spoke of.Thanks to you I have now ordered some lucmos from Limberlost. Have to wait a year for them and then pay big$s freight but thats the way it goes. Jantina

Time: 15th September 2008 6:46pm

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fruitist says...
Hi Jantina,

It was me earlier who said self pollinating. A friend of mine in Innisfail bought a grafted one (not sure about this) a year after I bought mine and his bore him a fruit earlier than mine. This probably has to do with the warmer weather. I now attached photos of the 2 fruits.

Actually I bought my Lucuma from Nutty Berry in Brisbane which I think has since closed down the nursery. She ordered it from another guy who I forgot the name now who used to run the Nutty Berry nursery and then moved to FNQ.
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Time: 15th September 2008 10:44pm

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fruitist says...
Just ate my first fruit from my own tree. Fruit fell off from the stalk for 2 days. Taste almost same as Canistel, though less fermenting flavour. Texture less dense than Canistel. Ate the skin too.

Time: 20th October 2008 8:58am

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Judging from the shape of the fruit, I think mine is a real Lucuma. The tree was ordered from Nutty Berry Nursery which in turn got it from Franz Honnef in FNQ, I think. There is a picture of the "Lucuma" fruit in TradeWind web site. The shape of that fruit is exactly the same as my Canistel fruits whose seedling tree I bought from Casper. I used to have a grafted Canistel from Daleys which has half moon shaped fruits. Lucuma is so rare that even my Brazilian friends don't have the trees so I think a lot of confusion between the two trees/fruits.

I haven't seen any Canistel fruits which have the shape in Pictures 1 and 2. Any one who has seen Ross Sapote want to comment? I will talk to my FNQ friends about Ross Sapote this week.

My seeds will go to my FNQ friends first, then Brazillians then me. I might try to graft onto my Canistel seedling.

Time: 20th October 2008 9:22am

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Jantina says...
Hi fruitist,very interesting, I can only hope that the ones I ordered are the correct plant.Have to admit that I have given lucumas little thought since being in Japan and chasing up pawpaws,akebias,Japanese taro,lotus root and looking at all the delightful little vegie gardens tucked into any available corner.Anyway can,t think straight this morning because we go home this afternoon and i,m too excited.Cheers Jantina

Time: 20th October 2008 10:12am

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tr says...
I just saw some Canistels on a tree in Sth Johnstone , nearly exactly the same as your last 2 pics fruitist , funnily enough the guy growing them is a Ross .
I have seen several shapes of Ross/yellow sapote .
wikipedia shows slightly diferent shaped fruit , almost reverse of yours .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucuma
and what is this ? looks amazing ...
http://www.chileflora.com/Florachilena/FloraEnglish/HighResPages/EH0420.htm

Time: 20th October 2008 10:32am

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fruitist says...
The Lucuma fruits in the picture in Wikipedia have the same shape of my grafted Canistel from Daleys.

One species Pouteria multiflora has smaller rounded fruits. Fruits are about 2 inches in diameter, almost round, and look just like a small Canistel. The seed is very large, and the pulp is very thin. The leaves are darker green, duller and broader about 12" by 3".



Time: 20th October 2008 11:11am

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fruitist says...
The Pouteria splendens' leaves look very similar to Wongai Plum (Manilkara kauki)and both can grow in water. The fruits are very different. The seeds look similar, both have shining dark brown coat and a helium. Here is a picture of the Wongai Plum fruits and seeds.

Wongai Plum is growing wild in Cape York and Torres Strait Islands. A delicacy there.

There is another fruit called Wongay (Pouteria sericea) in Kimberleys. It can grow in water too.
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Time: 20th October 2008 11:32am

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Sean says...
I got some Lucuma seeds when I was on holiday in Peru.I got a few of them to grow and my good plant is only about 50 cm but it looks happy and is stating to grow after surviving another winter fine. The fruit itself was a strange sot of texture, maybe a bit like wood putty but the taste was really nice and sweet with a Maple syrup taste.
By the way I think Paul Rieker ( not sure about his last name spelling) from nothern NSW has seeds available sometimes.
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Time: 3rd November 2008 11:20pm

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Jason says...
Reacher, but you would have to almost go knock on his door to convince Paul to go and grab some seeds. It'll will be faster for me to wait for you tree to fruit Sean :). I can wait 10 years. I was silly enough to let my 2 6 month old Lucumas die while I was in Mexico. Actually they got sunburnt just after I got back. I had a freind of mine over in Peru last year or so but they have got really strict with letting seed out of the country lately so It's very difficult to get anymore

Time: 4th November 2008 1:39am

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Jantina says...
Hi Jason, fruitist put me on to Limberlost nursery ,where I have 3 grafted lucumas on order.The tree price was quite reasonable, about $27 but the postage is horrendous.Anyway he says it will be a year before they are ready and by that time I might have worked out a cheaper way to get them here.Perchance I might even be able to give you seeds and scion material before 10 years!Of course in this game it is better not to count your chickens just yet! Do not know if you saw my post to you on sunday under avocado?Could you possibly email me your ph. no. or email address so I can contact you if we are coming in your direction.? You could then tell me if it suits you for us to call, or not as the case may be.Thanks Jantina.P.S. Sean, most reassuring to know your lucumas are doing well in Gippsland which has a climate similar to Mt. Gambier ,please keep us posted on your progress.

Time: 4th November 2008 8:44am

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Sean says...
Paul was great with me, he just gave me a couplpe of Lucuma seeds as extra when I was ordering something else off him. He said he just wanted to see how they grew down here.
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Time: 4th November 2008 8:51pm

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Jantina says...
Sean, do you mind telling me how Paul operates e.g.does he have a list?how do you contact him?

Time: 4th November 2008 10:37pm

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Anonymous says...
I havn't contacted him in a long time,but if you are ever up that way he has a wonderful garden. He did have a web site but I cant seem to find it. Try looking for his nursery which is called Fruit Spirit Botanic Gardens.
Good luck Sean

Time: 6th November 2008 9:14pm

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Jantina says...
Thankyou Sean, I have done that and found an address and a phone no.It says there is no website but no matter a ph. no. is good.Jantina

Time: 6th November 2008 10:49pm

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Jantina says...
Phil, I got on to Paul.Apparently the lucuma he has tend to bear biennially and as luck would have it ,this is the off year! However next year he is expecting a good crop (200 + fruits) and he said to ring back at this time next year and he is bound to have seeds available.

Time: 7th November 2008 11:36am

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Steve says...
I recently became interested in growing Lucuma after meeting a Peruvian.
He said in Peru the fruit is usually blended into a drink.
I've read that it prefers high altitudes & as Peru is very dry, I assume it may not enjoy my sub tropical & humid climate.
However I read a post earlier here that Paul is growing them in northern NSW.
Any idea of when they crop (re fruit fly problem)?
I grow around 60 friut & nut trees but because most of the summer crop is lost through fruit flies I'm trying to plant varieties that crop in the cooler months.
I felt sure I would be able to buy Lucuma plants from Daleys.
What is happening in the world today, or is life not meant to be easy?

Time: 4th January 2009 8:04pm

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Steve, I was up at Pauls place about a month ago (Feb) and saw his lucuma with fruit - not sure about fruit fly though as i didnt get to sample the fruit.

Anyone have any luck sourcing some trees/seeds?

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Time: 2nd April 2009 2:40pm

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Jantina says...
Hi HappyEarth, Limberlost Nursery up north was taking orders, he told me it was about a years wait but he may have done some extras when he grafted mine, that was about 4 months ago.

Time: 3rd April 2009 8:38pm

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trikus says...
Just borrowed a great book , and info and pics show this sp. to have green skin [ or brown/green or even bronze ] and nearly round fruit . Would not grow in the tropics but is also not frost tolerant , esp. when small . Book is 'dISCOVERING Fruits and Nuts ' by SusaNna LYLE

Time: 7th April 2009 8:47pm

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duane says...
is there anyplace i can buy fuerte avocado scions to graft with(in ca.) thanks.....duane

Time: 9th April 2009 2:07pm

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Jose L. says...
I have a just one lucuma, and it fruits without another lucuma near, but it fruits very little, I don

Time: 9th April 2009 8:26pm

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Jose L. says...
One more thing. I speak of Pouteria lucuma, but the fruitist fruits are maybe Pouteria obovata, also called lucuma.

Time: 9th April 2009 8:32pm

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Jantina says...
Thanks for that information Jose L. It seems there is quite a bit of confusion about lucumas I just hope that I have ordered the correct one. Good luck with your pollination efforts. Have you actually tasted a lucuma ? If so I would like to hear your opinion.

Time: 9th April 2009 8:46pm

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Jose L. says...
Yes, Jantina, I have tasted it. It is very difficult to get the right ripening point (you should wait until the fruit drops itself, and wait 10-20 days more till it softens. But if you get the right point is delicious. Its strange because the pulp is dry, and it tastes to me like a walnut cream.

Time: 10th April 2009 12:17am

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Oh! I

Time: 10th April 2009 12:23am

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trikus says...
THanks very much Jose . Finally some real info on a mysterious species . Goes to show how unreliable wikipedia and other internet sources can be . Just repeating wrong information as gospel truth . Many people are mistakingly growing forms of Canistel thinking they have Lucama .
Also my reference shows the 2 names synonomous Pouteria lucama & obovata.

Time: 10th April 2009 10:52am

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Jose L. says...
Wikipedia says that P.lucuma and obovata are synonomous, but I don

Time: 10th April 2009 5:17pm

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Phil. says...
Yes some of the true lucuma seem to have a green skin and yellow/orange flesh rather than being a canistel look-alike.
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denise says...
I have the Pouteria obovata, The fruit is roughly the shape of a chocolate pudding fruit. Definitely different to the canistel looking photos mentioned earlier on.. After several lean years it now carries 140 fruit that will ripen in october i guess, They are not best eaten fresh but really flash made into ice-creams, shakes. baking. I can spare some seeds in due course if anyone has some other good seeds to do a swap. The tree is a peruvian selection called 'Montalban' and is self pollenating.

Time: 20th April 2009 8:47pm

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trikus says...
Denise I am certain many here would just love some of your seeds , and they may be allowed into Australia , BUT , I know it is hard getting seeds into NZ . I do not think it would grow well here in the tropics , though I would like to try .What would you like ? Lakoocha , Kwai Muk , Bunchosia , Pouteria viridis , Pouteria sapote , Theobroma cacoa , Coffee, Synsepalum dulcificum , Garcinia sp., perhaps brasiliensis.

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amanda says...
Qld DPI info says this if it's any help:

CANISTEL P. campechiana: Dark green, shiny leaves 12-25cm long etc..fruit ovoid, pointed at stigma end with a smooth yellow to orange sking enclosing a mealy, yellow pulp with several large, shiny seed. Fruit size 4-5cm dia 5-17cm long Wgt up to 1.5kg.

LUCMO P. obovata: Lucmo is similar to canistel with larger leaves and fruit.

(no info on types - book from '83)

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amanda says...
I just re-read this - it's not much help is it? Apart from the names, u could could drive a truck thru' those measurements!

Our (WA) agricultural dept is great and the Qld one is pretty awesome - try them:

www.dpi.qld.gov.au



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Steve says...
Guilly, I'm assuming you smuggled the seeds in the country.
Returning from Peru with seeds poses a threat to Australian agriculture & is the reason why our Quarantine Laws are in place.
I would love to grow a Lucuma but not at the risk of introducing pests or diseases into our country & the many millions of people who would be subsequently effected & have to pay & be unnecessarily burdened in attempting to control or eradiate these problems.
No matter the desire to have a rare plant excuses the possible consequences of bringing illegal seeds or plant material into Australia.


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Jantina says...
Hi Steve, quarantine allows clean lucumo seed into Oz, I have checked this with them.

Time: 8th June 2009 2:38pm

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Steve says...
Hey Guilly - did you declare the seeds when passing through Aussie customs?

Time: 8th June 2009 6:48pm

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John I. says...
Hi Jantina, is this a general rule with seeds or are quarantine rules highly restrictive?

Time: 9th June 2009 9:37am

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Jantina says...
Hi John l. definitely not a general rule, always check with quarantine before organizing seed import or you may be very disappointed because they do not hesitate to destroy.Even if it is allowed seed , do not bring it back to Oz in your personal luggage unless you have organized it with quarantine beforehand because customs will just take it off you. In my ignorance I once brought seed back with me (it was dahlia seed, quite allowable) and declared it at customs but they said unless I had precleared it with customs in the bin it went regardless of what it was. AQIS has a website that apparently tells you what is an allowable import and what is not but being a computer dud I can never find the info I need and always end up ringing them directly to get an answer. You need to know the proper botanical name for what you want to import and any seed you get sent to you needs to be clearly labelled with the correct botanical name, these guys are not flexible.However if you play by their rules it is easy to import allowable seed.

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Guilly says...
Hi Jantina, yes all seeds go on quarentine and properly identified, as far as I go everything goes on quarentine. I also brought a woden handycraft and processed food that were observed but everything was clear and later returned to me.

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Guilly says...
I saw the other day on TV a report to a tropcial fruit place in Darwin, I didn't get the name of the place, I swear I saw Lucuma on display.

Time: 15th June 2009 7:08am

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Jantina says...
Hi Guilly, yes there are a few places that have lucumo growing, they are just very hard to track down! Limberlost nursery up near Cairns will grow them for you on request, they have 3 in the works for me. A bit of a wait (1 year)but I,m very keen to grow a few. I have also brought wooden articles and processed food back with me from Japan and Holland, declared it and been allowed to keep it.May your lucumos grow well and bear you much delicious fruit.

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amanda says...
Jantina - i wouldn't even attempt to grow that plant here in my climate (warmer than yours) - let us know how u go please?!

I am about to try a Kwai Muk (sp?) (Artocarpus) but I don't hold out much hope for it - or the Rollinia - but am keen to try!

We got wooden stuff confiscated by quarantine - only cos' they were "forbidden weapons".. (poison dart thing) .... far out..!? Like kids 2day don't know how 2 make a ging???



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Jantina says...
Hi Amanda, I would think lucumo would do very well for you. There is a very interesting book called Lost Crops of the Incas (your library may have it) which goes into detail about lucumo and it certainly sounds like I could grow it here and if you go back to the beginning of this thread you will see where Fruitist also thinks it would grow here. Microlimates are wonderful things.I have a seed swap organised and depending on how many seeds I get I would be happy to send you a couple to try if you are interested (only because I'm sure it would do well).

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Jantina says...
P.S. I have a rollinia in a pot doing very well here. Daleys grow and fruit them in a grow bag so I don't see why mine won't. It's in a north facing solarium that gets up to 30c on a winters day with a bit of sun (after that I open the doors)it hasn't stopped growing since I got it, probably not as fast as up north but I'm not complaining.

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amanda says...
Thanks Jantina - that's a kind offer and I am really pleased to hear about your rollinia!! You must have a very well organised/thought out garden?

I think I may have to stop planting things for a bit - I have 83 fruit trees now and can see I am not going to get a holiday for a long time if I don't curb my enthusiasm! :)))

Time: 18th June 2009 9:45am

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Carmen says...
I have been to Peru and brought with me two seeds of Lucuma, I would like to know how do you start them, on the grown or in a pot? Thanks for all your advised, very usefull.

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Dekka says...
That's interesting, Carmen. What legal processes did you have to go through to bring them into Australia? I thought it would be difficult ...quarantine and all.

Time: 28th July 2009 9:06am

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Dekka says...
Oops! I just noticed you're in the U.K.
Please disregard previous post.

Time: 28th July 2009 9:08am

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Jantina says...
Hi Dekka, I have spoken to Oz quarantine and there are no problems with bringing in lucumo seed (should you be lucky enough to lay your hands on some) providing it is free of all flesh and labelled with it's correct botanical name. I am expecting some later in the year.

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Ellen says...
Hi Jantina

Can you please give me a contact number of Oz quarantine too please ? Thank You

Time: 2nd August 2009 4:27am

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Jantina says...
Hi Ellen, I'm in Holland at the moment and it's been a long day so I'll take the lazy way out of this. Type in Aqis in your search engine and you should find a contact no. or ring telecom and ask for the Aqis no. for your state. Good luck.

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
To Ellen, Jantina and everyone who is interested in the seeds of this fruit.

No need to import seeds of this fruit. we have them in QLD.

I had some fruits in Cairns last December from Rusty market, very sweet (green skin and yellow flesh and small seeds) not like the cousin variety where the seeds are big and yellow skin.If I buy them a again this December I will save the seeds, you can have the seeds for free,email me jujubeforsale@yahoo.com.au

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Ellen says...
Thanks for the future lucuma seeds Jujube for Sale in Melbourne .


by the way, the jujube you've sent me, I've potted it. How soon will the leaves start to bud through, do you know?



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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I think around mid september roughly you could see green buds appear. Please just either water or give it some diluted seaweed solution (seasol) that is all you need. I was told the chance to get fruit this year is high because all jujube trees are 4 year old, originally 1 meter tall but were prunned back for easily packaging.

BTW, I found a picture of your Chico variety.

http://encantofarms.com/gpix/GP922-19.jpg

I will contact you regarding to the lucuma seeds after I got back from holiday.

Take care.

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unicorn7 says...
Great site. we have developed a product that includes lucuma powder. i am really keen to photograph a lucuma fruit for a brochure we are preparing. Any idea how I can get my hands on a specimen?

I have noticed that there are several varieties but i am not sure which one specifically is used in the powder we get from living earth.


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Tropicdude says...
All these Pouteria "lucumas" varieties are a bit confusing. I was first introduced to a fruit called a "Lucuma" I tried it a couple days after it was given to me, the fruit I was given is small compared to pictures of Lucumas I have seen on the net. the ones I tried were only about 5cm. they had very little pulp. but they tasted just like what others have described, seems Pouteria obvata/lucuma vary greatly from place to place, there is a "Lucuma de Monte" or mountain Lucuma ( wild Lucuma) that looks just like what I have seen in some Peruvian videos. as for taste, I have tried a few more of the local "small" lucumas, and the trick is getting the perfect ripeness, if you pick them "yellow" they still arent ripe yet, give them a few days, but if you wait too long they ferment. I plan on ordering seeds for this Pouteria Sp. pictured. By the way, the seeds from the fruit I planted sprouted in about 20 days, almost 100% of the seeds sprouted.


Ill translate some stuff from this video.
Pepino = Melumber, Kaki = Persimmon, Pacay = Ice Cream Bean ( Inga edulis ),

notice in this video that they show two types of "Lucuma" a pointy type and a roundish variety.
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Jantina says...
Thanks for the video Tropicdude, very interesting. I find the whole lucuma identifying thing very confusing. I bought what I thought was the round lucuma but it arrived labelled Pouteria Nitida and on inquiry was told it was the same taste as the round one but an elongated shape (about 8 inches long)and can find no reference to it anywhere. I am also trying some Pouteria Obovata seed Denise kindly sent me. Elsewhere I have read that Pouteria obovata is not the lucuma that is popular in Peru.I'd like to hear from people who have actually eaten a lucuma , preferably while they were in Peru!

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Tropicdude says...
Jantina, I really believe that Pouteria obovata is the "real" Lucuma, as the obvata is synonymous with Pouteria lucuma. seems to me that the Pouteria could be divided into two groups, one group has the consistency of hard boild egg yolks, with that maple flavor ( Lucuma and all its sisters, the Ross, and the Canistel ( Pouteria campechiana ) then you have the Abiu (Pouteria caimito ) which I didnt care too much for, they are a bit bland and have a Jelly consistency. Pouteria caimito not to be confused with the Star Apple which is Chrysophyllum cainito which is also called Caimito in some places. anyway, tell me how it goes with the Obvata seeds, as I have some Pouteria Sp. on their way. I could learn from someone else s experience :) I have no idea what type Pouteria that I have now, as I have not seen them pictured anywhere.

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Hi Tropicdude, some of my seed had started to germinate before it arrived so I anticipate that all will germinate well, nothing is up yet but my research said 35/40 days which is getting on for 7 weeks,I will post results as they happen.

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unicorn7 says...
Hi Tropicdude

thanks so much for putting up this video. I ended up finding a shot of a round lucuma fruit on fotolio, however i will eventually need to get my hands on one for a studio photograph. So if you have any success in growing these in the future or know anyone that is about to harvest the fruit then feel free to let me know.

cheers
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Tropicdude says...
Hiyas unicorn, If I come across some of these "Obvata" type here in the Dominican Republic, I'll be sure to take some pictures of them and post them here, there is one place that I havent visited yet that might have them. Endo-Caribe has an experimental farm, and they have listed Lucuma "Pouteria Obvata" on their website. who knows maybe I can get a seedling too. they also have Cupua

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Robert Snyder says...
I have 3 lucmas growing in pots here in Toronto. My in-laws brought seeds 3 years ago. Well, one got exposed to -3 degrees Celsius. That may be 28 F.
All its leaves lost the shine, then drooping more and more. Is there a way to save that one? Thanks. How long / how big before they fruit?

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Jantina says...
Hi Robert, the leaves will probably drop off but that does not necessarily mean it will die. Do you have Seasol (a seaweed solution) over there or something similar. It,s very good for shocked plants and also gives a bit more cold resistance. Tropicdude, I have seven seedlings up and going well. The leaves look rounder than my Pouteria Nitida but hard to tell since they are still juvenile.

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Sakana says...
Hi to everybody I am from Peru, I have never seen any other type of Lucuma in Peru but the round bronze-green colour ones. I know down in Chile there are other kind of different Lucuma and some in Ecuador as well. None of these are consumed in Peruvian Cuisine, when I was little I used to go to the markets to buy Lucuma (my favourite fruit) and the only one was the round one, with a quite dry pulp a bit orange.

Recently my parents sent me some dried lucuma powder, which is 100% dried lucuma from Peru.

If any is interested in trying it I could send you some! I dont have many but I'm very glad that you are so interested in a Peruvian fruit, specially my favourite one!

Time: 10th January 2010 4:06pm

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Jantina 1 says...
Hi Sakana, at last someone who has experience with the real thing! I would love to try a bit of the lucuma powder. Can you carefully describe the leaf shape for me? Thanks.

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Sakana, I would love to try some lucumo powder also. I have a number of seeds in a pot that im trying to germinate at the moment - never tasted the fruit though. Do you have an email address so i can send you through my address details?

cheers Rich

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Jantina says...
Hi Happy Earth,if you don't mind telling me, where did you get your seeds ? did you see the parent plant and if so what shape were the leaves and were they labelled obovata. Thanks.

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Jantina ... never seen the tree. The seeds were kindly sent to me from 'Jujube for sale in Melbourne'

Time: 14th January 2010 3:24pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jantina,

I sent the seeds to you too about the same time as HappyEarth. Did you receive them?

Time: 14th January 2010 4:58pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
BTW, these were the fruits where I removed the seeds and sent to every one in December 2009. The biggest fruit were the size of a peach and from the picture you could see one of them ripen (on the tree).
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Time: 15th January 2010 9:01am

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Jantina says...
Hi JUJUBE FOR SALE, for some reason my emails don't seem to get through to you sometimes. Yes they did arrive THANKYOU very much, it was very kind of you to send them and I planted them straightaway. Your seeds were a different shape to the ones Denise sent me, can you decribe the colour and shape of the fruit? I don't suppose you saw any foliage? By the way I planted two of those pineapple tops( the supersweet with the tops cut off but these had more top left on than usual)they haven't grown any new leaves yet but they are still green. If they grow you can have one.Thanks again.

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Jantina,

I bought from the guy who had the farm and he said he picked from his 5 year old tree that morning. He said this variety has smaller leaves compare to the bigger fruit variety.

I went back to the apartment and took the picture straight away.

As you can see from the picture the fruit is small, sort of rounded with just a bit pointy at the bottom end. Most varieties that I have tasted would turn bright yellow when ripe but not this one (still greeny when ripes)

Happy growing.

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Violet_Cactus says...
Jantina, that book you mentioned, LOST CROPS OF THE INCAS, can be read in its entirety online here.
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030904264X
Whoops, I just tried to read another page and it asked me to pay.
Sorry, I'd thought it was one of those free online books. :( Still, it does show some interesting lists of plants.

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Jantina says...
Hi Violet Cactus, fascinating reading isn't it? I have managed to acquire quite a few of the plants they talk about. One day I will go to Peru and see things for myself.

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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Jantina,
Yes, it's interesting that we can now buy, here in Australia, many of the previously 'unknown' plants mentioned in the book. At a guess I'd say that the book may have had a big impact on Australian gardeners and horticulturalists, motivating people to try and obtain these new edibles.

It would be brilliant to visit South America and check out the incredible range of crops, not only in Peru but in places like Ecuador and Bolivia. I read on this Forum that you do quite a bit of travelling in search of unusual food plants. That must be very exciting!

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Jantina says...
Hi Violet Cactus, I don't actually go travelling in search of unusual food plants (although I'd like to)my circumstances at the moment mean that I go to Japan with my husband (who has a Karate school) and go to Holland because I have elderly parents there and visit my sister in England on the way and am always on the lookout for unusual plants particularly food plants. It's also fascinating going on the trains and seeing all the vegetable allotments. It doesn't take much to amuse me does it?

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Violet_Cactus says...
Ogling vegetable allotments actually sounds like my idea of a good time!

Some of those Japanese food plants enthrall me. I am currently making a collection of all the unusual ones I can find here in Australia, such as Gobo (Burdock

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Mick says...
Bought poutreia obovata in from Chile 20 years ago and then some more 10 years ago .
I have had 3 fruits so far.
Probably because I haven't watered at flowering time.There is or was one at Merbien Hort station which had fruit so cross pollination is not necesary.
quarentine was no problem bringing them in.I also got a few seed fron Fruit Spirit but Paul is no longer selling seed,tho'you can book a tour of his property.
If you look in the 'Lost Crops of the Incas'book there is a good chapter on the Lucuma.
I have been told that there are two 'races'of lucuma.One eaten out of hand or atleast better to eat fresh and the other more for processing.
I have tried mine fresh but prefer in a thick shake.
A small round fruit like the one at Merbein.
This is the fist time I have come across this forum,will try to keep up

Time: 14th February 2010 12:26pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
Welcome to the Daleys Fruit Forum, Mick.
If you like 'Lost Crops of the Incas' you're in the right place.

Any chance you want to swap a few Pouteria obovata seeds?

I wish Paul Recher was still selling seeds and plants online...




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speedy says...
Mick how long ago did you see the tree (Lucuma) at Merbein?


Time: 15th February 2010 4:12pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Mick, very interested to hear you have a lucuma growing in the Adelaide hills, is there any chance you would be generous enough to let me come and look at your trees one day? Maybe I could bring you something from my garden as a bribe? Violet Cactus, since you seem to be a genuine fruit nut, would you like one of my lucuma seedlings?

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Violet_Cactus says...
(Violet Cactus falls off her chair...)

*Would I?*

YES PLEASE!

Thanks Jantina, that would be fantastic. I have heaps of things to swap, so email me and we'll work something out!
angavar (at) yahoo.com

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Hi Violet Cactus, sent you an email last night, did you get it?

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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Jantina,
Yes thank you, I got it - been out all day at Kuranga Native Nursery then out half the night - just about to answer your email now!

Time: 19th February 2010 1:08am

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recher says...
then you do not have a lucmo which tastes totally different and flesh is 'denser' and too mealy to eat out of hand unlike canistel

flavour is of burnt rum and raisin

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recher says...
u say Wongai Plum is growing wild in Cape York and Torres Strait Islands. A delicacy there.

I say a delicacy only becuasse
Ozzie bush fruits suck bad. wongai plum is middle range second class

the reason ozzie native fruits are patrhetic quality is until humans no primates here hence no co-evolution to develop fruits for primates. same with PNG. to mind their best fruit and it is a good one is Pometia but after that diddly-squat = no primates

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recher says...
being indolent and making enough money from tours combined with a disorganization disability i have pretty much hung the seed business out to dry

tours are $20 flag fall plus 10 per adult



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light crop now

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recher says...
they are synonyms

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Hi Jantina
Here is a picture of my Lucuma growing in souther Victoria. Its fairly slow growing but it is doing fine. Not a great photo(Comfrey in the background) but you get the idea.
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Jantina says...
Thanks a heap for that Sean, I'm in Holland at the moment for a funeral so didn't see your post until now. Your little tree looks healthy. Do you get any frosts? We get some frosts most years but all my citrus thrives here unprotected.

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I get lots of frosts and usually a bit of snow but my Citrus, Avocado's, White Sapote's etc are all thriving. I have come to the conclusion that cold extremes are not as much of a problem as root rot in winter.

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Thanks Sean, the drainage at home is excellent, I'll plant a few out when I get back.

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Sean says...
I would like to ask Sean how did he started to grow Lucuma from the seed, directly in the grown or in a pot.

Carmen



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Hi Sean United K., don't know about Sean but I grew mine in pots in a well drained potting mix. Some came up in about 4 weeks and some took about 3 months and some haven't shot yet but the seed is still healthy looking.

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Sean says...
Yes mine were started in pots as well, the seeds were partially germinated in the fruit so they grew fairly quickly.

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John says...
I am after seed for the Lucuma. Can anyone sell me some. I live in WA.

Time: 4th May 2010 11:29pm

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Rev says...
im keen for Lucuma seed too

from within Australia
or outside

anyone out there in Chile?
Peru? Ecuador?



Time: 21st June 2010 9:42pm

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J says...
So this tree can be successfully grown to fruit in Melbourne, Victoria?

Where can I order a tree in australia?

Time: 22nd June 2010 10:48pm

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Violet Cactus says...
My Pouteria tree is small but healthy. As soon as I get seeds I will distribute them around, but it might be a couple of years yet!
Jantina is THE BEST seed germinator.

Time: 22nd June 2010 11:25pm

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Anestor says...
Hello, Fruitlist:
I am Brazilian and I live in southern Brazil. I am passionate about fruit and would like to receive the seeds of this Pouteria. If you are interested in exchanging of seeds, you can see my albums of fruit in www.picasaweb.google.com.br/amezzomo2002

anestor.mezzomo@gamil.com

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Time: 23rd June 2010 4:54pm

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Rev says...
seeing as you are in South America
try this place in Ecuador

i havent tried it but friends of mine have. They are legitimate, but with postage australia is a long way away.
I will try for special things like Cupuacu later.
maybe for you it will be much easier

http://www.ecuadorexplorer.com/guaycuyacu/fruits_1.html

Im always interested in south american trades myself so contact me if you like and we could swap Aussie and asian seeds for South americans!
reville1@gmail.com
thankyou


Time: 8th July 2010 11:03pm

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jenny says...
Hi: I'm from Peru I feel so happy to see people that takes so much interest in one of our very own fruit: THE LUCUMA. I have not taste Lucuma for almost 23 years, but I went to Sidney 4 years ago and did buy the Lucuma Powder in a South America Shop , in Fairfield.
Not as good as the fresh fruit but better than nothing. Back in Peru we used to eat the round one that's the edible and popular one, which is also shown in the video. Sean's picturre seems to be that of the round lucuma.
Thanks.

Time: 15th July 2010 4:58pm

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ces says...
Since you have been talking about getting seeds from south america, I have been trying to find ullucus tuberosus in Australia. I found out that they were available in Colac, Vic a few years ago but they do not have it anymore. Do you have any suggestions where I can get seeds from? I've heard that it was being tested in NZ.

Time: 22nd September 2010 10:47pm

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Jason says...
I had ulluco from near Colac, I bought several varieties and had them all growing well but lost the battle against the slugs in the end and lost them all. I searched for years to get them in the first place and I think if they no longer have them, then finding them inside Australia maybe no longer possible. That's a pity because they had all sorts of crazy colours and varieties of them

Time: 23rd September 2010 12:18am

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ces says...
So where did the guys from colac obtain the ullucos from? I might have to try that...

Time: 25th September 2010 3:27pm

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Jason says...
You could ask them but I think maybe you don't want to know, or they don't want to tell you :). I'm sure a goverment research station somewhere would have some in any case since it's such a good potential crop (but maybe there would be resistance from the Potato growers). My Peruvian friend told me that in Peru Ulluco is where it's at and Potatos are second rate food for when you don't have Ulluco :)

Time: 25th September 2010 10:46pm

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Jantina says...
Do they grow from seed Jason ?

Time: 25th September 2010 11:12pm

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Jason says...
You can but I bet it's not easy, I got tubers at an extortionate price but since they are so rare I was happy to pay for them. I always planed to get more one time when I wasn't living in a slug infested backyard but seems like I left it a bit too late, they grew easy and well apart from getting eaten! :).

I planted the Lucumo by the way :), it had started to grow again in the plastic house but since the scale were persisting I planted it. It's fixed now but I don't think it'll continue growing much until it warms up in late October.

I've been digging weeds from around my trees so they aren't so messy for when you come over and I hit my Macadamias with some fertilzer, I read some stuff about phosphorus versus iron heavy soil and decided it was safe enough. I also bought a stretcher bed from aldi so I can sleep under the trees in between digging :0 instead of on the grass like I normally do, best thing I've bought in a while and will save on waking up cooked with lots of insect bites :)

Time: 26th September 2010 12:49am

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Jantina says...
Hmmm, maybe we can make getting some Ulluco tubers/seeds our next project. By the way I've spoken to the guy and deferred getting the Rainbow cuttings until Nov. when you normally graft them down here.
No the lucumo are just sort of sitting there at the moment, waiting to burst into growth (I hope).
Don't worry too much about the place looking neat, I'll only see the trees, the stretcher sounds a good idea.
Tell Annie hello and that Bulldozer is powering on , scoffing a whole bottle at one sitting now and up every night while we sleep playing havoc with his basket and blankets and looking cuter all the time.

Time: 26th September 2010 7:46am

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Jason says...
I told Annie he's doing well she's happy about that :), she might be getting her cardboard box ready to kidnap him right now :p.

I found 3 peach/nectarine seedlings 1 apricot and 2 apples this morning while carefully transplanting a 10 foot cherry plum (with a chain and the tractor) and lots of grafting tape to put the bark back together afterwards :). All those were together in my seed germinating patch (that's also mums Camellia garden :p) but it works so well under them for growing stone fruit seeds I can't resist throwing them all there. It's not cold enough there to germinate a real cherry but everything else goes pretty good.

I ran out of time digging the hole for the cherry plum before I had to go and get Annie for her break so I threw it in the kangaroos drinking pond for the moment. I'll plant it later when I take her back. I already found 8 or so pleach (red peach) seedlings and moved them the other day well I think one may have been a real peach or a nectarine and got mixed up so that will be an exciting suprise. I have more pleaches still to move too, they germinate under the tree all the time and I'm up to the 3rd generation now, they always grow pretty true to form too so they are good seedlings to re plant.

So it's crazy times at the moment but I've got excited about growing seedlings now that a lot of my older ones are starting to flower so I figured I'd move all these before the mover or animals found them.

Years ago I had lots more subtropical trees that slowly died out because there was no protection there, just a paddock so I've almost replanted all those spots with temperate fruit but I'm very close to being out of space for full sized trees now. That means next year all the seedlings that come up will have to go to visit you or some other people around here. I've been grafting seedling Avocados under my Hass tree into the main tree (some crazed multi tap root experiment of mine) and going to graft one good seedling Avocado I have over to Reed at the end of October so I should be all practiced up ready for the Rainbow sapote. I'm going on a secret air layering mission soon too (see picture). I have nooo clue where I can find room to plant one but I need the tree anyway.

Ulluco might be almost an impossible mission now unless someone like Paul has it or some Peruvians living somewhere in Australia bought some from Colac and have kept it alive but we can only try


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Time: 26th September 2010 3:52pm

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Jantina says...
Where on earth did you take that picture Jason? What sort of tree is it? Sensational looking tree.

Time: 27th September 2010 12:07am

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Jason says...
haha, it's right near your house!:) that's underneath one of the world famous to ficus experts but totally unknown where it actually is drik drik Lord Howe Island figs. You would never figure that's growing on the side of a road 40 degrees south latitude beside a dusty paddock, amazing line of trees and more impressive than most of the ficus in the Sydney botanic gardens.

I could tell you a story about how to grow a house from one of those trees that I read in the depths of the internet about 15 years ago from some crazy scientist. I wanted to do it one day but I don't think I'd be able to complete it now, you would need quite a few decades.

The idea was to take 100's, 1000s? of LHI fig cuttings and plant them around the outisde of the "room" then as they grow interweave them in a cross cross pattern until you have a dome shape. As they grow Ficus will self graft into each other and you keep removing anything growing inside the room. Once its grown enough to be solid you sand away the inner bark leaving only wood and then polish it so you have the criss cross patterned polished wood on the inside and a massive ficus tree on the outside (you also cut away the windows early on). Once you had a few feet thick of tree it would be a pretty strong house :).

I guess you will be in the car first thing tomorrow morning to go and see that tree now :p

Time: 27th September 2010 12:12am

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Jantina says...
That's right I remember you telling us about it. Personally I need at least 10 lifetimes to plant and do and experiment with everything that interests me and las I only have about 1/3 of one left!

Time: 27th September 2010 12:23am

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ces says...
And who is Paul? can he have some ulluco tubers? I remember a online place in the uk where they had some tubers but it seems they all failed and they've got nothing left.

Time: 27th September 2010 12:41am

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Jason says...
Paul is Paul Recher, he posts on here once in a while. He has a masssssive collection of pretty much everything edible, got to be easily the largest collection in the country unless I'm really mistaken and someone secretly has 3000 species of stuff hidden somewhere

Time: 27th September 2010 12:44am

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ces says...
So how can we contact him?

Time: 27th September 2010 1:19am

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Jason says...
You need to go and see him pretty much

Time: 27th September 2010 1:39pm

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ces says...
see him where?

Time: 27th September 2010 9:21pm

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Jason says...
In his garden, it's in the bush in Northern NSW. Search up Fruit Spirit Gardens. But better first find out if he even has Ulluco and if he want's to A. find it and B. sell some :) the chances of all 3 happening together are not that good

Time: 27th September 2010 9:57pm

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Jantina says...
Hey fruitist, I can't find the thread where you asked me about Denise and the lucumo. At the moment I have 2 varieties growing, Pouteria Nitida which I got from Limberlost just before they stopped grafting. I got 3 but my dear husband thought he would do me a favour and repotted one into a very rich potting mix without my knowledge and killed it(along with a few other plants he repotted). So now I have one growing in the ground and one in a pot. It's been hard to find any info on Pouteria Nitida (or Giant lucuma)Neal from Limberlost tells me that it is very similar to Obovata but the fruit is about 8 inches long instead of round. My Lucuma Obovatas came as seed from Denise, a very generous lady from NZ. I will email her to see if it is OK to give you her email address and I'm sure you will be able to swap something for some seeds. There was no trouble getting them through quarantine.Nine of my seeds germinated and I've given 4 away to other keen rare fruit growers in the hope of getting it more established in this country.There is still one left in a pot, so if you don't have any luck with getting seed maybe I could send it up to you.

Time: 7th December 2010 10:52am

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fruitist says...
Hi Janita, can u take a photo of the leaves of your P. nitida which you bought from Limberlost. I got mine from Limberlost too but not directly. I have a feeling that it is not P. Obovata. As for asking seeds from Denise, I will check if I can get them here in Australia first. This year my tree has 5 fruits. 3 are yellow 0.5 inch wide and 2.5 inch long; 2 are green 1 inch wide and 2.5 inch long.

Time: 7th December 2010 3:05pm

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recher says...
IF we are talking the same thing my ulloco died out years ago...i suspect devoured by rodents...same problem with day lilies, dahlia, etc

As for obovata I hve several trees.
I imported a yummy large fruited selection from Hawaii. Fruit is up to 10 cm a-x. Still my favourite milkshake

wish I'd known about P. nitida at Limberlost. I have grafted Ross Sapote (Pouteria sp.) from them.

Time: 23rd December 2010 7:00am

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Jantina says...
Hi recher, do you know much about P. Nitida, I can,t find any real info on it. The one I have planted out is doing well and the other one is doing well in a pot.When they get a bit bigger I,m happy to supply grafting material (maybe do an exchange for a piece of you Hawaiian one).

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fruitist says...
Hi Jantina, can u pls take a photo of your P. nitida leaves.

Time: 23rd December 2010 11:18am

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Jantina says...
Hi fruitist, sadly I am a dud with most things technical but will ask hubby if he will post some pictures for me. The P. nitida has longer pointier leaves than P. obovata. About the same shape as mango leaves, same veining arrangement but with bigger gaps between the veins, softer leaf than mango and lighter green and up to about 30 cm long. These are juvenile plants so the mature foliage might be a little different. You are also welcome to some cuttings when they get big enough.

Time: 24th December 2010 9:35am

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fruitist says...
Jantina, Are your leaves same as mine? Scoll up to my post with the 2 pictures. The leaves and venation are clearly seen in the photos.

Denise, I really like to get some Lucuma seeds from you. If you are reading this, please get in touch with me at

iamfruitist at gmail dot com

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Jantina says...
They certainly look very similar, now I,m more confused than ever about just which one is P.obovata. Never mind I have two sorts growing happily so that has to be pretty lucky!

Time: 24th December 2010 5:12pm

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fruitist says...
The one we have from Limberlost is called P. nitida. I am, glad it is finally positively IDed.

Time: 26th December 2010 5:40pm

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Jos says...
Hi, about the lucuma, this site contains interesting information http://blog.standperu.com/?p=225
Lucuma is really a nice fruit.

Time: 29th December 2010 7:12am

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J says...
It's known as "the butterscoth tree" in NZ. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Outdoor-garden-conservatory/Plants-pots/Other/auction-343561701.htm

Time: 29th December 2010 9:55am

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Jantina says...
Did you check the other things this seller has available J?. Very interesting and sadly very unavailable.

Time: 29th December 2010 10:18am

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J says...
Just checked out her items. Interesting how many different varieties of avocado's they have over there. I'm searching for seeds online as I would like to have a few more lucumo trees. Your seedling is growing well Jantina, it's sprouting a set of leaves. I'm justing wondering if having a few more tree's might aid in cross pollination and greater fruit set.

Time: 29th December 2010 11:34am

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Violet_Cactus says...
J and Jantina, do you know which variety of Lucuma is the 'Butterscotch Tree"?

Time: 29th December 2010 12:42pm

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J says...
No Violet, the advertiser doesn't have it listed, but Butterscotch tree definately has a better ring to it than lucuma. Those new zealanders know how to rename their fruit!
Incidently that tradme website is where I got the ruby red pepino seeds from. Hope the seedling I gave you is doing well. The vietnamese corriander you gave me has gone crazy and all the cuttings I've put into the ground have taken up like mad as well. The pineapple sage is doing well too. Thanks for those!

Time: 29th December 2010 1:02pm

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Violet_Cactus says...
Excellent news, J! I was wondering how those plants I gave you were going. I think of you every time I walk past my Pepino, which is doing very well! It's still in its pot as there are so many snails around after this lovely rain, I'm a bit hesitant to put it in the ground.

Time: 29th December 2010 8:00pm

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Diana Q. says...
Hello!
I'm living in Portugal and I just came from my holidays in Chile some weeks ago.
When I went to Valpara

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Jantina says...
Hi Diana,my seeds were very fresh out of the fruit (some were sprouting already). I received them late spring/early summer and potted them straightaway in well draining potting mix and kept them damp. Most took about 6 weeks to pop up but one took a year and I still have some where the seed is still green (the brown coat has come off)and plump but not shot yet.
I'm sure that's not the only way to do it but that's what I did.
Lots of luck.

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denise says...
BUTTERSCOTCH TREE IS JUST A COMMON NAME FOR THE LUCUMA OBOVATA.

Time: 11th January 2011 4:03pm

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recher says...
excellent name in deed!

definitely favourite milkshake

Time: 18th January 2011 12:26pm

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recher says...
plant immediately hump up, hilum down

or place seed in sealed bag with enough SLIGHTLY moist (wet material and get an adult male to squeeze as hard as he can to get rid of as much water as possible) coco-peat or peat moss....enough to hide the seeds....keep in dark..like desk drawer...check every 3-4 days...plant once root emerges or you see sheel cracking along hilum

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recher says...
back in the 80's limberlost sold several Pouteria but never obovata...obovata does not perform in lowland tropics...they did sell the infamous ross sapote Pouteria sp.....I've thought this nitida is what they are calling Ross sap.....I HOPE I AM wrong as I'd really like a p. nitida to add to the Pouteria collection....googling says next to nothing about nitida...at most it is syn to obovata but there is no earthly reason why limberlost would label nitida and not oovata...i'm a bit lost my self

Time: 18th January 2011 12:56pm

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Jantina says...
Hey recher, my planted out Pouteria nitida is growing branches now (as opposed to the single trunk it started out with) so hopefully there will be grafting material available before I die of old age. When my nitidas arrived they were sublabelled with the common name of Giant Lucmo, nothing about Ross sapote.

Time: 18th January 2011 1:04pm

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denise says...
I have a pouteria obovata that was imported by the NZ government that is more tropical in requirements than nearly all others of the species. The plant fruited in kaitaia (in the far north) and had very large fruit for the species.About 15cms accross. I have put it into a hothouse to try and get fruit. Normal varieties fruit well outside . Perhaps now I am the only one with this variety in NZ as the government destroyed all of thier plants.. We call superior lucuma fruit "elite" and the finest eating ones "silky". The scientists noted that most of the elite fruiting plants had multiple stems, making it easier to locate good trees in the seedling orchards in Peru.Much of thier orchards have mangos as well and also some lychees.

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Jason says...
Mines been outside for a few months in the ground, verrry slow growing so far. The one I had 10 years ago (but lost from wet/cold/heat one after the other) was pretty fast growing but did take a while to get going so maybe this one will speed up at some stage

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
I bought a Ross sapote on eBay about six months ago. Judging by the seller she had more plants for sale. I think from memory I searched under "rare plants" when I noticed it.
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Time: 3rd February 2011 2:17pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
The seller I bought the seedling from is
greengold_au

Time: 3rd February 2011 2:21pm

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Jantina says...
Why would the government destroy their plants Denise? I've heard of the CSIRO here doing the same thing with plants after trials.

Time: 3rd February 2011 2:45pm

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micarle says...
I planted a ross sapote about 3 months ago, no signs of moving yet, it was from Limberlost! Phil i have seen the ross sapote on ebay aswell...

Time: 3rd February 2011 3:10pm

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jennyDa says...
hi: where can I get a lucuma tree? I live i W.A.
Thank you.
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Time: 10th March 2011 7:39pm

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jennyDa says...
hola Jose, de donde eres? Como le hago para que mi arbol de lucuma de frutos tiene 4.5 anos y nada que ver crecio de pepa.
Gracias
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Time: 10th March 2011 7:49pm

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recher says...
idiots.. just like here they destroyed all that valuable germplasm.. i remember when nz imported those lucmo cvs ..

guessing circa 1988

Time: 15th March 2011 5:03pm

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denise says...
I have part of the scientists report of thier trip to Peru for collection of germplasm--all that relates to finding pouteria orchards.. It was for nearly 3 months in 1980. There was also a large worldwide collection I remember seeing, including so called hardy mangos from islands offshore from NW Africa. I was slipped cuttings of some things but not anything much valuable.The large fruited Pouteria obovata was probably the best, but more suitable for warmer climate.Some government staff hid away some plants when the cullers came to destroy the stock,though little remains.

Time: 16th March 2011 5:08pm

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Denise is the report available online at all?

Time: 16th March 2011 8:29pm

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Additional pic of a Pouteria orchard in Chile
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Picture: 1

Time: 16th March 2011 10:38pm

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Jantina says...
CSIRO told me that a lot of their research is paid for by particular people (or companies) wanting research done for them. The last thing they are interested in is making sure valuable (to us fruit nuts) germplasm is available to the public, so if the research doesn't give them what THEY want, it's "off with their heads" and to hell with biodiversity. This happens in America too.

Time: 17th March 2011 9:33am

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denise says...
Hi Phil, The Report on a Visit to South America is probably only in the ESR library.(restricted entry) I have all that relates to the Lucuma orchards, about 5 pages.Probably no one else has it. I can send a copy to anyone interested in visiting Peru, as it is mainly about the whereabouts of the best orchards. It does not include actual postal addresses. The NZ govt had a special Biodiversity project some few years ago to provide marginal new crop plants for R&R for no cost to approved Tree Crop Assn members.It was mainly with obscure semi-useless chilean plants, few or none of the fancy kind of plants that we see as useful.

Time: 18th March 2011 11:10am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Thanks Denise, btw I have a few seedlings of your lucuma tree kindly given to me by a fellow site user growing well and strongly.

Time: 18th March 2011 4:33pm

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denise says...
The seedlings you have are from cultivar MONTALBAHN from peru.They can produce a large crop which most years are of very good quality and suit the Auckland climate very well next to other ones not so good.

Time: 18th March 2011 7:50pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Denise, I would love to have that report if you would be so kind as to email it to me. If you don't have my email address anymore it's
jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au
thank you very much.

Time: 21st March 2011 12:57am

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Roberto Peru says...
My name is Roberto i,m from Peru living in central florida, is hot and rainny all summer, a month ago my mother bring me some seeds of lucuma and one of the m is groing about 10 cm. The litle pot is located in a sunny window and is groing well so far... how long it will take for this fruit tree to give fruit?... is the weather in central florida good for lucuma?... how cold it can handle in winter this fruit?..i
love lucuma fruit and i cant wait to have some fruit to make lucuma ice cream...is delicioso! Thanx

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Victor says...
I LOVE LUCUMA ICE CREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry... it came from the bottom of my heart T_T...

Peru.

Time: 8th July 2011 2:17pm

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denise says...
In Florida it could start fruiting from 4 years old. There is no guarantee that the seedling fruit will be good size, flavor and volume of crop. It is good to plant a few from different sources to even the odds. If possible make sure you get seeds from a good quality tree. In Peru many orchards are mostly seedlings from a good tree and the results are usually acceptable

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In Florida it could start fruiting from 4 years old. There is no guarantee that the seedling fruit will be good size, flavor and volume of crop. It is good to plant a few from different sources to even the odds. If possible make sure you get seeds from a good quality tree. In Peru many orchards are mostly seedlings from a good tree and the results are usually acceptable

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Recher says...
I imported from Bill Whitman a selection of lucuma mid 1980's called Kona. LArge 9-10cm dia, delicious shakes, dry mealy texture, productive,

I'm selling scions at $15 / 30 cm plus gst and post

Time: 25th August 2011 8:47am

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Recher says...
ooops contactable at precher@bigpond.net.au

Time: 25th August 2011 8:48am

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Violet_Cactus says...
Hi Paul, it's always good to see you here on the Forum.
Is this a Lucuma you have for sale a variety that would be okay in Melbourne's climate?

Cheers
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Time: 25th August 2011 10:46pm

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sony says...
Hi Paul,
I'm interested in your lucuma plant...I had one growing from seed and started flowering last spring. Unfortunately I went overseas and it was neglected..I don't think it will survive..I'm hoping you can help me.
Thanks,
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Time: 29th August 2011 4:40pm

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Recher says...
ud assume so

all mine seedlings and grafted perform the same regrading winteritis.

No signs at all.



Time: 5th September 2011 5:28pm

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sony says...
Thanks; that's reasuring..I had to cut a dead branch somehow insects ate the bark in my absence..the remaining ones are fine and look healthy. Do you have any for sale? my daughters fell in love with this fruit in our trip to Peru.

Time: 9th September 2011 9:28am

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sony says...
Hi,
Please to any lucuma fan...I would like to grab a lucuma seed to grow in my new garden. It's not a big one, but growin a lucuma tree is one of my life-wishes.
Help me out if you can.
Thanks,
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Time: 17th September 2011 3:01pm

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Recher says...
confident it would perform in melb

Time: 22nd September 2011 10:49am

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Recher says...
self pollinating

Time: 22nd September 2011 10:50am

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denise says...
Hi Sony, I have a few fruits on the way on my lucuma tree and have supplied seeds to a few forum readers. The tree has never shown signs of disease or dieback despite cool winters. About 170 fruit last year on one tree.Few this year. Not sure when next will ripen. Denise.

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sony says...
Thanks Denise,
Please let me know if you can spare a seed or two for me . My tree is looking so-so...I can see a few buds for the first time(maybe 15) on the remaining three brances..the other branches died because of the bark damage (it's like half a tree survived) I don't know if you get fruit on the first flowering.
I wanted to visit Paul Recher last week but I couldn't make it.
Thanks..



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Tomas says...
Hello,

I have read this topic about Lucuma with great interest. After searching high and low for a source or Lucuma, I would just like to ask if anyone possible could spare a few Lucuma seeds?

Many thanks in advance,

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Time: 12th November 2011 1:17pm

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loraine says...
Hi Denise,
I wonder if you kept the majority of the 170 fruit seeds? if so,could you spare to ell me a seed or two?

Time: 13th December 2011 2:44pm

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loraine says...
Hi again,
For years I have been searching for a lucuma tree in Australia. I finally found one growing in a suburb of Sydney.. tree was looking ok, but it had not fruit for years. New owners of the house were not interested to keep the tree and after arduous work to organize manpower, we got the tree out of there and planted elsewhere in late July this year. So far still alive but if there is a sad loss, I would love to buy a couple of seeds if possible.
Regards, nickynackies@gmail.com

Time: 13th December 2011 3:00pm

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sony says...
It will take another two years to flower


Time: 24th January 2012 12:25pm

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Dora says...
I'm Peruvian and would love to grow some lucuma in Adelaide.I have some experience growing plants but none growing fruit trees.

I email a nursery that some one suggested in this forum and they don't have the Peruvian variety only a similar one from Malasya I think.

From some information I read in Peru,it seems that lucuma trees with out grafting have fruits in 4 years minimum and when you graft a growing tree with a 6 years tree with good size fruits, it can take only one year to have fruits.

I was hopping someone in this forum can tell me where I can buy some scions in Australia?

Here is the link where I found advice on how to grow lucuma, is in Spanish but as Jose recommended before you can use an online translation to have an idea.

http://www.inia.gob.pe/boletin/bcit/boletin0004/cultivo_exp_santa_lucumo.htm

doragonzalez@live.co.uk



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Mick says...
Dora, Check out Adelaide Rare Fruit Society
They meet next 3\5\2012 at 7.30pm at the
Burnside council complex

Time: 23rd March 2012 10:36am

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Jantina says...
Dora thanks for the link. Sadly I have no clue how to get this online translation. Any tips?

Time: 23rd March 2012 5:22pm

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Brad says...
try this should work for you Jantina
http://tinyurl.com/7ft6l4o

Time: 23rd March 2012 9:17pm

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Jantina says...
Many thanks Brad, that did indeed work. The translation was interesting to say the least.

Time: 24th March 2012 10:34pm

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Dora says...
Thank you for the info Mick. I will definetely be there.

Jantina I'm happy you could access the link. How are you going with your lucumas?Did you have fruit already?Do you have any photos?

Time: 30th March 2012 6:09pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Dora, fruit? I wish! no my one remaining pouteria lucuma seedling is still quite small but very healthy and has been in the ground for two years(I lost 3 and shared the rest with other forum members). I have a pouteria nitida in our nursery area that is doing well (more than a metre high now) but I'm scared to plant it out in case I kill it.
As for pictures, I'm a computer dud but it is on my "gunna" list. Good luck with your quest.

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Dora says...
Don't lose hope Jantina!! I've been reading some more information about Lucuma and how to grow it. It seems that a Pouteria obovata tree can take 10 years to get the maximum capacity of production, which is between 200 to 500 fruits.

I've found a person in Majorca-Spain, who has several Lucuma trees grown from seeds and it took him 12 years to have a decent production of fruit, about 300.

The information about the genus Pouteria is confusing. Even Wikipedia has troubles getting an accurate information,they listed P.Lucuma and P. Obovata as two different species.... Here is the link if you feel curious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pouteria

I've found these other links with a few Pouterias with photographs that seem to be helpful in clarifying. They are in Spanish & Portuguese but you can still click the option to translate it.

http://frutasraras.sites.uol.com.br/sapotaceae.htm

http://www.fourlangwebprogram.com/fourlang/es/f_Pouteria_lucuma.html

I'm still looking for a scion of an old vigorous lucuma tree in Australia. I guess Paul Recher is my only hope,but not sure if lucuma KONA, as he mentioned, is a P. Obovata. I may have to pay him a visit in Melbourne.

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John Mc says...
Jantina, the Lucuma you sent me is doing very well, slow, but healthy and putting on growth. I'm leaving it potted up till it gets some size about it, looking good.

Time: 15th June 2012 8:44pm

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Jantina says...
Thanks for that Dora, there was a bloke who posted that he had a lucuma up in the Adelaide hills but he didn't want people coming round so nobody has sighted it yet.

Good news John, I was sure it would be happy with you. Just checked the one I have in the ground this afternoon and it's looking good, just put out some new leaves.

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Dora says...
Finally some reliable information online from an experienced gardener! Juan Bibiloni is the best gardener of rare fruits I have seen online!! And the best of all is that he is willing to share his knowledge and achievements with everybody across the world.

Have a look to his blog

http://mundani-garden.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/lucumo-of-peru-gift-from-andes.html?m=0#links

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ugg says...
Good link . The prose is kinda quirky, though. Checked the Pitanga (Fruitus horribilis) and he fails to mention that most would find starvation a better option than eating Pitanga.

Time: 11th July 2012 11:39am

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Mike says...
If you can snag the ones that don't have the hydrocarbon aftertaste they are quite good.It is better to judge apples by pink ladies than crab apples.It is unfortunate that the trashy types are the most common.
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BJ says...
Mike, those look great. Ugg, there are at least two good varieties, with black being consistently good. Pitty 99.5% of them are inedible to those with tastebuds.

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John Mc says...
My Pitanga surprised me this year, I become quite fond of it's fruit. It's back in flower already.
Now I have to play the waiting game till my newly aquired grafted black fruits.

Time: 12th July 2012 9:06pm

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John Mc says...
@ Dora, that is an excellent link, especially on Lucuma, I hope Jantina sees it.

Time: 12th July 2012 9:13pm

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Mike says...
How will I know if what is in my hands is a Lucuma?
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Mike says...
I can usually pick with canistels.
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Time: 20th July 2012 12:31pm

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Mike says...
My question has been aswered elsewhere and now I know that canistels of a particular shape are often misidentified in Australia.Lucuma is very close to green sapote but goes yellow instead of orange.The nipple ring and seed shape is diagnostic.
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Jantina says...
It is indeed a great link Dora, thank you.
Sony if you see this could you please email me, Denise would like to get in touch.
jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au

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Jantina says...
Thanks Sony, I have sent you an email.

Time: 28th July 2012 10:12am

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denise1 says...
I just sent some Pouteria obovata seeds to tomas. I may have a few more seeds coming, this year has been lean.Can anyone send me a few seeds of Ross Sapote?

Time: 1st August 2012 1:03pm

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Mike says...
denise, the red bayberries fell through.I have ross sapotes in flower for the first time.Tomas wouldn't live at Palm Beach by the way?

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denise1 says...
Hi Mike, I have only just reconnected with the forum. I have a kilo of red bayberry seeds on the way from china. All fresh and have already been cold stratified. Jantina is getting some too. Maybe you could get some from her. Or I could give you the chinese contact details. Tomas is at Delray beach, Florida.

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Mike says...
Denise no I don't really need them I was just getting them for other people.It is the same Tomas as I was thinking I just got the beaches mixed.

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Jantina says...
Mike I will gladly send you some bayberry seeds when they arrive, especially since I haven't been able to send you anything else you want. I will also be sending some to all the usual suspects I exchange stuff with and if anyone else is keen let me know . Apparently 1kg is about 2000 seeds so plenty to share.

Time: 2nd August 2012 11:49am

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Natalie1 says...
Hi Jantina im Natalie from New Zealand i was wondering how much the seeds will cost as i am interested?

Time: 2nd August 2012 12:13pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Natalie 1, no money needed.
Just go to my post on the 27th of July and send your address to my email. This is of course when they get thru quarantine and to me (but AQIS said there would be no problem).

Time: 2nd August 2012 9:01pm

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Natalie1 says...
Hi jantina thanks so much thanks for being so generous. I see there is another kiwi on here denise

Time: 3rd August 2012 9:47am

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Dora says...
Hi Jantina,can I have some too please? I can exchange it for black mint if you dont have it.

Time: 3rd August 2012 5:41pm

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Jantina says...
Sure thing Dora, send your address to my email.

Time: 4th August 2012 10:19pm

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Dora says...
Hi Jantina,
Thank you very much for sending me those seeds you are generous indeed! I'm sending you some seeds too, tagetes minuta (black mint) & capsicum chinense L (aji panca) both are originally from Peru, hope you like them!

Time: 4th September 2012 11:48am

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Loraine says...
Hello,

I have found that one of my best friend has a thriving and fruiting Lucuma tree in Katherine area NT... I was amazed that while my second visit to her NT farm, little did I knew that she had in her fruit farm a beautiful Lucuma tree!! I discover this while perusing and admiring her field of trees and I nearly fainted when I stumble on the Lucuma tree full of fruits!!! She said that she let the fruits fall and rot because in the early years when the fruit started none was interested in buying them at the markets where she sell her fruits and nursery plants. OMG!!! I have been looking for them in years and one of my best friend had them all these time!! she said that she bought them from a lady many years ago, she sold unusual fruit and she called this one "Sapote"... If anyone is interested i can contact her with your details.

Time: 7th September 2012 8:35pm

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David says...
Very interested,anything that will spread the genetic gene pool

Time: 7th September 2012 9:27pm

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Loraine says...
This is what my friends fruit called Sapote, I supposed its one variety of the Lucuma or Pouteria family

Time: 7th September 2012 9:50pm

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Loraine says...
This is what my friends fruit called Sapote, I supposed its one variety of the Lucuma or Pouteria family

Time: 7th September 2012 9:52pm

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Loraine says...
This is what my friends fruit called Sapote, I supposed its one variety of the Lucuma or Pouteria family

Time: 7th September 2012 9:53pm

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Jantina says...
Hi Loraine, thanks for that post, I am very interested too, my email is
jantinarohde at activ8 dot net dot au
I write it that way on the forum so I don't get swamped with spam!
I'd be grateful if you gave my info to your friend.

Time: 10th September 2012 9:01am

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David says...
Hi Loraine, sorry about the lag getting back to you having comp probs again!!!! email is dphuntbris at optusnet dot com dot au .Thanks for passing this info on .David

Time: 10th September 2012 4:50pm

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John Mc says...
Hi Loraine,
Would you mind passing on my details as well? I'd be interested to know what they taste like.

john at centralcoastskylights dot com dot au

I'd be very appreciative,

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Time: 10th September 2012 10:04pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Loraine,

I would love some details as well please

My contact is

jujubeforsale@yahoo.com.au

Many thanks

Lucy.

Time: 11th September 2012 6:57am

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Dora says...
Hi Loraine,
Is it white, black or yellow sapote?

Here is a link with some good photos of sapote trees & fruit.

http://mundani-garden.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/withe-black-yellow-sapotes-of-mexico.html?m=1

I've tasted yellow and white sapote, they are very yummy. Unfortunately they are not lucuma. Although flavour is quite different, flesh and texture of yellow sapote is slightly similar to lucuma.

Time: 11th September 2012 11:34am

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Jason says...
I finally got to taste a Canistel the other day..... Amazing. One of the best fruits I've ever tasted. They say Lucuma is even better than that, it must be incredible. I'm almost ready to move North so I can grow Canistel lol

Time: 19th September 2012 12:57am

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Jantina says...
Indeed Jason they are yummy, I had one about a year ago when up north. Where did you get yours? Don't think you saw my post but I have some myrica rubra seed for (fresh from China) you here in the fridge if you want it, let me know.
Back on to lucumas, I have just received two Kona variety lucumas(plants) from a very kind forum member and I'm very excited about them. That makes 3 different sorts I have now.If we keep this up lucumas will be commonplace in 20 years time, hooray!

Time: 19th September 2012 8:48am

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Jason says...
I don't even know about Myrica rubra ! I guess I could give it a go. I got some canistel from tropical fruit world, everyone was busy eating Custard apple so I went for the canistel and as you would expect from all good collectors all the bits I tasted were the parts surrounding the seeds lol. The Lucuma you gave me lost it's leaves this Winter, I think it's still alive but it's not happy, seems no where near as happy in the cool weather as the one I had 10 years ago and lost to Sunburn of all things, that one was a stronger grower in cool weather, pity I lost it. There must be a fair bit of variation in them. I reckon canistel would be just about the same as those lucumas in the cool. I've had a green sapote before and that lived for years and years without doing much growing, similar to what happens with everything that _almost_ has enough heat but not quite.

I finally got around to planting that seed I cross pollinated with a stronger tree with my Chris sapote and it's germinating now, that's about the only exciting plant thing I've done this year, other than I have a couple of seedling Apricots flowering for the first time + one new capulin cherry + one Loquat seedling is fruiting too.

Time: 20th September 2012 12:18pm

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John Mc says...
My Chris variety is absolutely hopeless. Last year it had three leaves, this year two, and going nowhere fast. If I could find a viable bud on it anywhere, I'd graft it onto my strong growing seedling. If anyone has a Chris that needs pruning and has the time to pop a few in the post they will be hansomely rewarded/swap?. Sorry for being so up front, but my Chris is frustrating me to no end.

Time: 20th September 2012 3:18pm

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Mike says...
I have a couple of lucuma seeds that are supposed to be the best from spain.They will probably die in my climate but one sprouted enroute.I was told about the 2 basic forms that relate basically to uplands and lowlands with the upland types having silkier flesh and enjoying temperate climates.Unfortunately the upland seeds are what I received.

Time: 20th September 2012 6:37pm

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Natalie1 says...
Hi Mike do you have some of those lucuma seeds left?

Time: 20th September 2012 8:28pm

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Jason says...
John MC, I have a branch of Chris grafted onto another tree for the purpose of scion collecting. I'll have a look at it tomorrow and see if it's in or near bud swell. It's always going to be weak growing compared to most sapotes but it does ok on a good rootstock, I get a foot a year from it or so, nothing amazing but it does grow.

Time: 20th September 2012 9:07pm

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John Mc says...
Yes, I might use what's left of the chris and graft it onto the nice strong 4yo seedling, which is shooting away nicely as we speak. Some rainbow scions showed up this morning which have been rind grafted onto it as well. Also did some buds via T section, we'll see how they go, the bark is slipping nicely.

Time: 20th September 2012 9:34pm

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Jantina says...
Mike are you saying you don't really want those lucuma seedlings? (ever hopeful) if so ?????




Time: 21st September 2012 8:59am

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Jantina says...
Jason I need an address to send the seeds to, can't remember your Mums address.
Did you get much frost over there this winter ? I have one lucuma from that batch that laughs at the cold. Violet Cactus tells me the one I gave her is chest height now so another good doer. I have a mango in the ground near the lucumo that was quite happy over winter too. My lucumo nitida doesn't really like the cold and looks a bit sad over winter but then picks up and is as tall as me now (I got that from Limberlost while they were still doing them about 4 years ago.)
Wonder what happened to Loraine (above)?

Time: 21st September 2012 9:09am

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Jason says...
Wow.. as tall as you and it's in the ground? if it's in the ground that's super impressive. I didn't get any frost, but my garden is just constantly cold day and night most of the year :). Violets in Melbourne? maybe she wants to try a Canistel, Melbourne is probably the warmest place in Victoria over a 24 hour average.

Is your email still the same?

Time: 21st September 2012 12:28pm

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Mike says...
I only have 2 seeds of the spanish lucuma.The person who sent them mis-understood 'don't send' as 'do send' and I specified the cold climate ones.They are kinda promised.On reflection I probably should not have refused asimina and cherimoya varieties but I don't have much accommodation for excess pots of seeds.

Time: 21st September 2012 12:57pm

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J says...
I was tempted to try canistel where I am but considering I just recently pulled my kensington mango out of the ground in favour of a meiwa kumquat, I think I've found my subtropical limit here in the dandenong ranges. My mango grew during the summer, died back in the winter then grew back and the cycle continued leaving it the same size.

The Lucumo Jantina gave me is now in the ground, I don't think cold bothers that one, but the Kona lucuma I put in the ground near it earlier this month is getting browning leaves. I think those leaves will drop off but hopefully the kona should make a recovery and grow. If not I've got a few others in pots that I'll let grow to about a foot or two before I transplant them.

Not sure If canistel is more or less cold tolerant than mango, but I'm not game to try it up the hills. Yet.

Time: 21st September 2012 3:55pm

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Jantina says...
I was only being cheeky Mike,but you are so kind the temptation was too great, didn't really expect you to send me any seeds, however if your friend has any more I would happily pay him good money for some.
That goes for any asimina or cherimoya seed too. Hope I don't sound too rude and pushy.
Yes Jason, Violet is in Melb. I asked and she said she mainly gives it Seasol, it's in the ground now.
My L. Nitida is in a pot out in the open where it was all winter, will put it in the ground this summer, it's had no fertilizer at all but it has been in excellent compost and had heaps of water.
My email is still the same, please say hello to Annie for me.
J, my Kona has a little bit of brown mottling on it's leaves too but still looks healthy as.

Time: 21st September 2012 10:37pm

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Mike says...
Jantina it is good to ask and Nat has had no luck at all with me.There are no more and those 2 were thrust upon me.I have been refusing good seeds as I have pots all over with seeds already, here are a few.
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Time: 22nd September 2012 12:34am

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Jantina says...
Wow Mike this addiction can take over our lives at times can't it ? Looks like you have your hands full.

Time: 22nd September 2012 9:08am

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amanda says...
Some of us would call that 'buried treasure Mike'...!? :D

Time: 22nd September 2012 11:21am

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Mike says...
Amanda hopefully I will have some berried treasure in a few years.
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Time: 22nd September 2012 11:31am

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Mike says...
I am a lazy gardener and it will be every seed for itself and those without the will to live will be casualties.
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Time: 22nd September 2012 11:34am

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VF says...
I'm hearing you Mike - apart from a few select plants, it's the survival of the fittest, law of the jungle, and all of that. No room for slackers! Be fruitful and multiply. LOL :)

Time: 22nd September 2012 11:10pm

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Dora says...
Hi Jason,
I ought to comment.... Yes! Lucuma is great. Its flavour is a unique experience I can only compare it with chocolate or coffee. But similarly to those two, I never eat it raw. Always in a milkshake or pie or sauce or the most popular, as an ice cream.
You can buy here powdered Lucuma on ebay. I tried it, I mixed a lot of powder with cream milk and eat it as a cream with ice cream. It's isn't as good as fresh lucuma but it's ok.


Time: 28th September 2012 7:57pm

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denise1 says...
My lucuma tree has some very nice tasting and texture fruit when production is in full swing in winter. A good one is good indeed to eat raw. A butterscotchy richness that melts. Sometimes a term in the deep freeze will improve it further. About a half or more of them are more suitable only for shakes etc. My tree is a top peruvian selection called Montalban. I sent seeds to various forum members but the crop has finished for this year.

Time: 29th September 2012 5:45am

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Natalie1 says...
Can i get some seeds next time please denise?

Time: 29th September 2012 8:55am

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Dora says...
Hi Denise,
Are you able to sell & send some scions to Australia? Please, please, let me know.
I grew up and lived in Lima, Peru and for 35 years of mi life I knew only one type of lucuma.It is called lucuma de seda. I learned from my mother to dont eat it raw. I think it is like a tradition type of thing.
Once I moved to Australia I read a bit more about this fruit and still can't find any other species different from lucuma de seda & lucuma de palo. I haven't heard or seen anything about Lucuma Kona or Lucuma Montalban. I think it is either another fruit or it is the same with a different name.

Time: 29th September 2012 10:25am

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Dora says...
Hi Mike,
In Peru Lucuma grows in Lima in the valley of Lurin, next to the ocean about 500m and also in andean valleys in Cusco, about 3,500m.
So you can only give it a go and see what happens. Apparently it can tolerate -5 up to 35 degrees with out any problem.
Some times Pouteria Campechiana, (yellow sapote or canistel) is called lucuma from the amazon. It deals better in warmer climates.

Time: 29th September 2012 10:32am

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denise1 says...
Hi Dora, Lucumas are notorious for their microclimate requirements. A tree that does well in one area will not be the best in another. Your best way is to grow a good number of seedlings to get some that will suit your area. That is how it is done in Peru. My trees are in a dense hedgerow with many other species so it is not suitable for getting a phytosanitary certificate that your Quarantine service would want. Our government grew a trial planting of hundreds of seedlings from elite plants. Many of them fruited at only four years old and were well suited to the area but performed differently elsewhere. (grown in fertile volcanic soil). I could send plenty of seeds at next harvest that could be 6 months away.You would probably describe the montalban as L de palo and I have another tree that is probably L de seda. Though the latter one called La Molina is a good producer in some places it does very poorly here. I have 2 other of the Lucuma obovata and they seem to not conform with the seda/palo descriptions. I think they vary more than that and also have many intermediate forms. An Equador one has very pale flesh. I have the Govts report on their expedition in search of lucuma in peru.

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Dora says...
How fascinating Denise! I'd love to read that report plese.Will you be able to send it to my email please?
doragonzalez@live dot co dot uk
I know La Molina, is a university in Lima and they have collected some of the best varieties of different native species in Peru. They have a farm open to the public. I'll visit them next time I go to peru.

Time: 30th September 2012 11:55pm

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denise1 says...
Calling Jantina, Could you please send a copy of the Peru Lucuma expedition, to Dora, as I have misplaced my copy somewhere in my files. I read once of a Columbian Lucuma arguacoensium, It is very similar to our Lucuma obovata but has fruit 15cms diameter. It was growing in the mountain area in the national park near the Atlantic coast but hard to get to because of the danger of the local drug trading. I wonder if it is more accessible now.

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Mike says...
The best lucumas are reputedly way better than any canistel,green sapote or mamey because they were domesticated and improved by the incas over a long period.The 4 seeded symbol of the inner lucuma is found in inca art and carvings.
Dora I thought they were basically divided into 2 forms and varieties fall into either the warm or cool group.I just can't find a spot for it with others species cue jumping.

Time: 1st October 2012 8:12pm

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Jakeline from SA says...
Hi, I am from Bolivia, Santa Cruz, which is sub-tropics and I used to eat lucuma every now and then while we had the tree in the back yard. I remember the tree being really big and always green, the fruit was one seed only, and the flesh was a weird texture, I used to compare it to egg yellow. I did not eat this fruit again as we normally take for granted of what we have. I have been living in SA for 12 years and have been going back home every 3 year, but I never get to see the fruit at the markets. My mother said that now there is not many lucuma trees in Santa Cruz and I am now really keen to buy a plant or even buy a seed so I can plant this here. If any one please could let me know where can I buy the egg sized, greenish and very thin skin, yellow flesh and one seed lucuma would be so much appreciated. Thanks Jakeline

Time: 19th October 2012 2:28am

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Jakeline from SA says...
Hi Jantina,

I have just realised that you live in Mt Gambier SA, is there any chance that you could please sell me the seeds or a plant ? If you could I would be sooo greatful.

Kind Regards
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Time: 19th October 2012 2:40am

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Jantina says...
Where are you in SA Jakeline?

Time: 19th October 2012 10:47am

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Mike says...
One seed lucuma? Shouldn't it have 4? Maybe it is a different species even a green sapote.

Time: 20th October 2012 3:21pm

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Dora says...
Hi Jakeline,
If you grow a lucuma tree from a seed, eventhough the mother tree has one seed fruit, you wouldn't know what you are going to have until you get some fruit. As a general practice, lucuma trees are grafted, like avocado trees.
According to some Peruvian sources,in Peru there are two species and about 40 varieties. In fact some publications mention that there are more than 140 varieties and the difference can be in size, flesh colour, (from egg yellow to mild orange)taste and number of seeds.
Originally it seems to be from the andes region, highlands, but today the Peruvian coast produces 88% of the total production in the world.
I have seen lucuma with 1,2,3 and even 4 seeds. In my experience, fruit with fewer seeds have bigger seeds and the fruit is bigger too.

Time: 20th October 2012 11:47pm

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Dora says...
I'm sorry I don't have any seeds to offer you :-(

Time: 20th October 2012 11:52pm

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sean says...
Hey Jakeline
What a great opportunity to get some seeds sent over from Bolivia. You should get some of you relatives to find some seeds and send them to you, their is a definite shortage over here and it would be good to get some different genetics.

Time: 21st October 2012 3:17pm

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John Mc says...
Here's a page of tidbits on the Lucuma if anyone is interested.

http://tropicalbonsainursery.net/on%20sale%20item/lucuma.html

Time: 23rd October 2012 7:52am

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Jantina says...
Thanks John, it would seem then that they grow well from cuttings which could be a very handy thing!

Time: 23rd October 2012 9:12am

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BJ says...
Very interesting! I should know in 8 years if mine are any good and I can give some cuttings a shot.

Time: 23rd October 2012 9:25am

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Jenny says...
All this discussion on lucumo is bad for my fruit tree obsession! Now there's another rare fruit I'm dying to try... Denise would it be at all possible for me to buy a few of your lucumo de seda seeds in the future when your tree next fruits? please please?! jscods at hotmail dot com

Time: 23rd October 2012 6:14pm

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denise1 says...
Hi Jenny, your request is noted.There will only be a few fruit over the next months and I will contact you when there are seeds that can be posted.

Time: 23rd October 2012 8:38pm

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Bel says...
Hi everyone,
Anyone have cuttings/ seeds of lucuma? Please let me mnow. my email is bfridey at studygroup dot com if u find some. Try are so hard to get in Australia but so delish!


Time: 27th October 2012 12:09am

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denise1 says...
Hi Bel, your request is noted/ It will be some months before seeds are ready again.

Time: 27th October 2012 6:50am

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Jenny says...
Denise thank you looking forward to hearing from you

Time: 28th October 2012 10:39pm

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Bel says...
This is the best news ever! Thanks so much Denise! that is amazing news! I can't wait to put one in my greenhouse.
Do you have any tips on how to ensure that the seeds germinate?


Time: 8th November 2012 11:02am

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David says...
Hi Denise1, Can i please add my name to the seed request for Lucuma, Jenny who also requested lives not far from me so would be easier to send to her if thats possible. Thanks

Time: 8th November 2012 11:39am

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Jaki Pullman says...
Hi there, It is a great idea if I can get seeds from back home. I will contact customs to find out what I need to do and all the paper work I need to fill out.

Jantina - I live in Hewett near Gawler.
Sean- thanks for the great idea, as I never thought about bringing any seeds from back home as very scared with customs. I miss sooo many great fruits and veggies that can't find them any where in Australia. Been to Qld and great variety of food but still not close to like home.
thanks,
Jakeline

Time: 9th November 2012 12:03am

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denise1 says...
Hi David. I note your request.

Time: 9th November 2012 7:57am

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Jantina says...
Hi Jaki, sorry I don't have any seed or plants to give away at the moment, however if any come my way I'll let you know.
AQIS , now known as DAFF allow lucuma seed in Jaki,no problems and no paperwork either, just make sure that the seeds are sent cleaned entirely of any flesh and labelled clearly with their botanical name eg Pouteria Obovata and they will come through without any problems. They even make allowance tht some may sprout in the mail.
I have Yacon and oca growing if you want some, just let me know as we are coming to Adelaide in a couple of weeks.

Bel, you won't need to put your lucuma in a glasshouse in Geelong,(unless you live in some very frosty hollow) it should do fine out in the open.

Time: 9th November 2012 7:59am

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Loraine says...
Hi Denise,
You are the most beautiful person!!!...The seeds you sent me a couple of month ago have germinated!!! I am the proud owner of five baby Lucumas plants :)) I am sooo happy! I am looking after them as if they were babys!

Time: 9th November 2012 6:36pm

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David says...
Thanks in advance, by the way are you interested in some black brazillian cherry seeds when they become avialable again just let me know

Time: 9th November 2012 9:57pm

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denise1 says...
Cheers David

Time: 10th November 2012 5:59am

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