Right variety of fruit trees (forum)

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Does anyone know what variety of cherry, pear, avocado or mango will grow well just south of perth? I have very sandy siol but plan to add lots of organic matter to soil.

Time: 14th April 2011 10:49pm

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Peter says...
About Mango: Kensington Pride (KP) has a bit of a problem with fruit setting in cooler areas (check past forums about KP fruiting south of Perth). Otherwise try to get an early harvest monoembryonic cultivar. The best might be Glenn or Early Gold (Glenn is a bit hard to source but possible to get, never came across Early Gold in Perth unfortunately). The

Time: 15th April 2011 9:11am

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Peter says...
Cherry, pear and avocado:
Avocado will perform well, more important to choose which variety you want (taste, growth habit).
Pear and cherry: There is a problem with not enough chilling hours, but if you really want to give a go, try to get the low-chill varieties, but I don't think there is a low chill pear. For the cherry it is probably 'Stella'.
Let's see if there is more input coming from other people, especially about the pears.

Time: 15th April 2011 9:43am

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hawkypork says...
I dont think you will be able to grow a cherry in Mandurah for lack of signicant chill hours. But the others should be OK. Avocados need to be under shadecloth for a year or two

Time: 19th April 2011 2:13pm

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Emilypos says...
Check out the Brazilian Cherry .Its an attractive drought tolerant small evergreen tree ... abit like a sasanqua camelia. I have a 20 year old one in my front garden which bore a bumper crop last November and is in full flower again. Fruit is a bit tart but make fantastic jam . Dayleys sell these

Time: 19th April 2011 10:21pm

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Peter says...
The grumichama is regarded as the closest taste to cherries - have not tasted them yet. I guess, try to get a taste before planting to avoid disappointment, but you never know you might even like them more than cherries themselves.

Time: 20th April 2011 8:46pm

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BJ says...
If you're after chilling hours with cherries there are new varities coming out in 2012 - the mini royal and the royal lee. They only need 300-400 chill hours so will crop in Perth. I'm not sure about soil however. If you hunt around there may be a few here in 2011.
Other than that avocado and mangos seem happy ... My mangos are young, but the suburb is full of them and they seem to cope well in the climate and soil. The avocados get a bit fried by the sun in summer ... but they are loving autumn.
Pears I'm not sure on, but WA has just developed a new apple (jazz?) so that could be fun - and it was developed south of Perth.

Time: 20th April 2011 10:32pm

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Peter says...
BJ, very interesting with the coming low chill cherries. Do you have more details on hunting for them in 2011? Which places would have them in Perth?

Time: 21st April 2011 2:13pm

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BJ says...
Hi Peter,
Back in October 2010 I contacted the fruit expert person a Flemmings a call. They were really nice and told me what was happening with the Royal Lee and Minnie Royal (dwarf low chill cherries - although they are 'dwarf cherries' so not tiny plants). The 'official scoop' is that the Royal Lee and Minnie Royal are coming ... they will be officially released in the 1st week of June 2012.
Dawson's gardening centre are one of Fleming's main distributers and apparently woudl be taking orders around December 2011 to ensure sufficient cherries are purchased for the demand in 2012. If you speak with Joe at Tass-1-Trees I believe he's looking to get some too.
These cherries have a pretty good wrap in the USA, and the lady I spoke with said they were actually pretty tasty (a benefit I guess of being the person in charge of fruit!) Optimally they need 350 - 400 hours of chill (a bit more than what Perth gets), but chill hours are an inexact science and Perth should still get some fruit. I believe Jimmy has managed to get cherries in Perth. These low chill cherries should be able to crop in Sydney or Perth (although not at commercial rates).
I'm excited about the prospect - but still trying to figure out where I might put the plants!

Time: 22nd April 2011 10:56am

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Peter says...
Hi BJ,
thanks very much for the details!

Time: 22nd April 2011 7:45pm

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KTV says...
Thanks for all the great info, I'm going to see Jos at Tass 1 Trees this w/e so will not sound quite as unsure as I would have done a few weeks ago.

Time: 26th April 2011 11:53pm

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Jimmy says...
I have plenty of low chill cherries.(trees)

Time: 27th April 2011 10:46am

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gus says...
I am surprised to hear that you have plenty of low chill cherry trees Jimmy. Are they very productive? I thought we had no chance here in Perth?

Time: 2nd August 2011 11:26pm

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Jimmy says...
These only need 200-300 hours of chilling which Perth gets.

The trees are not avaialble to the general public.

Flowering right now, on a few spots.

Time: 3rd August 2011 1:22pm

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gus says...
Are they the royal lee and minnie royale variety?
I would love to get my hands on these but I am unfortuneately the general public

Time: 4th August 2011 11:22am

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. says...
Too true

Time: 4th August 2011 1:19pm

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gus says...
I wonder why the state of western australia want to keep me cherryless

Time: 8th August 2011 10:40pm

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Jimmy says...
The goss is they will only be avialable as double grafts.

Time: 9th August 2011 10:20am

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Wazzbat says...
MMmmmm? How do I become "not" general public???

Time: 9th August 2011 9:10pm

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Jason says...
Wazzbat you need to register a business so you are a nursery, then you can buy patented and commercial plants

Time: 10th August 2011 12:09am

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Jimmy says...
Sihn many agreements agrreing non propagation, allowing patent holders to access your property for the next 20 years to check on you. Sign end point royalty agrreemnts that make you pay per fruit sold.

Time: 10th August 2011 12:02pm

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BJ says...
So Jimmy, I'm guessing that you cannot even be bribed to 'donate' prunings!

Time: 10th August 2011 8:52pm

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Itdepends says...
That'd be a good way to get all your trees taken off your from that licencer and probably taken to court

Time: 10th August 2011 10:33pm

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BJ says...
Hi Itdepends ... I imagine it would! There is a facinating case (in the US I believe) where pollen from some crops fertilised the neighbours crops and the courts found that the neighbours crops belonged to the licencer and thus the licencer could seize them (I think the finding was partially to ensure the innocent neighbour could secure compensation through other means without opening the door for people to 'acquire' propogation materials in the poor attempt at a joke I made above).
PBR is big business these days!

Time: 11th August 2011 3:14pm

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Jason says...
You surely can not own rights to another life form :), that's just being stupid. Anyway night vision goggles solve a lot of these kind of problems :P

Time: 11th August 2011 8:34pm

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Jantina says...
If you want to know just what companies can and are doing these days (with legal sanction) read "Stolen Harvest, The highjacking of the global food supply." by Vandana Shiva, an Indian physicist.

Time: 13th August 2011 10:57am

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Marj. says...
I grew a stella cherry here in a pot about 5 years ago. It got four cherries on it and we rarely go below 8 degrees in winter. I lost the tree because the roots rotted over our wet season as I didn't remove the water tray from under the pot. Now BIG BROTHER has decide (for some strange reason that the Northern Territory can no longer get any stone fruit up here. DARN)

Time: 5th November 2011 4:36pm

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