Seville orange rootstock (forum)

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I am looking for the original seville orange which i have heard has been replaced in a Australia by the common seville cross pomello hybrid. They are to be grown in the ACT so the original seville from what i can gather had better cold and drought tolerance. If anyone knows of how to access seeds or plants i would be very gratfull.

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Time: 31st August 2010 8:25pm

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Rev says...
hello , id like too

my old place i worked at in NNSW has seville suppliers, the local industries would make Marmalade from

www.louisas.com.au

but i too would like suspected or verified pure seville
buy, trade or accept!



Time: 31st August 2010 8:49pm

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Julie says...
ally and Rev, on another thread (which one?)I offered Seville orange seeds some time go. I've had two requests recently, but they are not quite ripe yet.

I sent pics to Felicity, as she wanted to be sure it was the real Seville.

Apparently the seed must not be allowed to dry out, and Felicity wants the whole fruit to make sure this doesn't happen. I feel I could wrap in damp tissue then a plastic bag, to save on postage. What do you think?

I'll post in the forum when they are completely ripe.

Time: 1st September 2010 8:56pm

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J says...
Daleys has a Smooth seville orange for sale, does this count as a real seville orange? Do they grow and fruit well in victoria?

Time: 1st September 2010 9:32pm

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Jason says...
I have a little tree of the smooth one in Southern Vic, the fruit tastes sour as.... and like marmalade :P so I guess that's how it should be

Time: 2nd September 2010 12:46am

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J says...
I'm going to place an order shortly at daleys to grab some of the wampi varieties they have so I might include the smooth seville orange in it as well. Have you used the oranges from that tree for anything, jason?

Time: 2nd September 2010 1:15am

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Jason says...
J, nope I just ate a couple and said geeeees that's a bit intense :), I'm not into cooking really

Time: 2nd September 2010 2:40pm

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J says...
Well, It doesnt matter anyway, I woke up this morning and the 2 Smooth Seville oranges Daleys had in stock were gone. They were there yesterday and today, poof - gone. That happened to me the day before with Nightingdale Persimmons. I swear someone is messing with me :). I'm getting a Poor mans Orange from Perrys anyway. Reportedly the fruit is similar to Smooth Seville.

Time: 2nd September 2010 3:45pm

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allybanana says...
Julie this sounds promosing if you have been verified as true seville. i would offer to swap stuff but getting it into WA could be a problem. anyway happy to pay for postage or create $10 daleys gift voucer for you. In plastic with a bit of wet tissue is okay. I recently ordered asinina seeds from USA this way as they also cannot dry out and they stayed alive and were sprouting on arrival. allydalton.sculpture@gmail.com

Time: 5th September 2010 12:43am

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Xiem says...
Home growers of seville oranges may be interested to know that SPCArdmona has now ceased production of Lackersteins seville orange marmalade. As far as I know this is (was) the only commercial marmalade made in Australia using seville oranges. Now it looks like its down to the backyarders and home jam-makers to keep up supply to the discerning ones amongst us.

Time: 1st April 2011 1:13pm

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MaryT says...
Julie the nine seedlings I raised from the seeds you sent are all doing well; they are now up to 8 cm high. Black thrips and leaf miners are showing interest in them so I just spray them with home made white oil.

I left three fruits on my Smooth Seville when it arrived from Daleys and they are big and heavy but taking forever to colour. Luckily the cumquats are ready for making into marmalade.

Time: 2nd April 2011 8:11am

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Xiem says...
I have twelve of Julie's babies one inch high (including a set of siamese twins).

Time: 2nd April 2011 9:18am

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Julie says...
Mary, my Seville oranges are the latest of the citrus to ripen. You have cumquats already? That would be very early for me, if my cumquat was still fruiting. It's healthy, but haven't had fruit for a few years.

Time: 2nd April 2011 9:14pm

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MaryT says...
I have five cumquats; one is barren (never flowered), one has just finished flowering and bearing fruit, one has lots of good size green fruit, one has a small number of ripe fruit and one was covered in ripe fruit that's been turned into marmalade. :) I am patiently waiting for the Smooth Seville to ripen. Guess I am lucky they take their turns so I don't get a glut.

I know I am being unreasonably optimistic raising seedlings, but it's nice to watch something come up from a seed.

Time: 2nd April 2011 9:47pm

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pagnr says...
allybanana, you may be thinking of 'rough seville',the other common type is 'smooth seville', which has larger grapefruit size fruit.

Time: 2nd April 2011 11:19pm

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David says...
I've been a serious marmalade maker for many years and had a large tree in Sydney. It was Citrus aurantium "Seville", genuine old fashioned variety, thick aramatic bitter peel, sunken oil glands and pebbled rind. On arrival here I bought one and it turned out to be a smooth skinned cross, unsuitable for marmalade. I can't get a tree in Qld AHHHH. Olea Nurseries in WA have the genuine product and ship to all states except Qld. If anyone knows how I can get a tree in or to Qld please advise. David

Time: 27th April 2011 10:50pm

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MaryT says...
So where in Sydney was your Seville Orange, David? LOL Seriously, are you sure that the smooth skinned variety are not suitable for marmalade? I bought one just for that purpose, oh woe.

Time: 27th April 2011 11:15pm

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Jason says...
I've got a tree of the "smooth" skinned one although it's not really smooth, not like a proper orange. If you eat it you can only think @#%@#%!@ that's sour, that would make good marmalade :P

Time: 27th April 2011 11:31pm

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MaryT says...
I am quite heartened by your post, Jason as I have three grapefruit size oranges on my Smooth Seville which I was planning on making into marmalade. This is my first crop and I've removed most of the fruit, saving these three. Will report on result when they colour, which is taking ages.

Time: 28th April 2011 12:29pm

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Dave says...
I have alarge tree full of the sour seville, do you want some

Time: 8th July 2011 10:44am

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MaryT says...
I made some marmalade - the Smooth Seville is not as nice as the fruit on the old trees at Graythwaite (a property in North Sydney donated to the people of NSW but sold to a private school by the Govt.) but I mixed it with some lemons and cumquats on my other trees and the result is delicious.

Dave I'd love some of your oranges if I am near you but being interstate it is a bit hard. :)

Time: 8th July 2011 4:58pm

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Dave says...
The tree is over 30 yrs old,4 mtrs high and about 8mtrs wide with a ton of fruit on,fruit larger than a navel,plenty of seeds, rough skin with larger lighter colour leaves than the navel

Time: 9th July 2011 10:26am

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Xiem says...
Dave, if I sent you a stamped, self-addressed envelope with a plastic bag inside, could you return it with a few wet seeds? I am already growing some sevilles from the Julie tree but I wouldn't mind doing a few more from your tree if it is the rough seville.

Time: 10th July 2011 11:12am

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Xiem says...
This may be interesting reading for seville marmalade aficionados:

http://www.lynwoodpreserves.com.au/seville-orange-marmalade/

Time: 10th July 2011 11:48am

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MaryT says...
Dave, a ton of fruit means two tons of marmalade! So what are you doing about it? :)

Time: 11th July 2011 3:37pm

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Gardenpixie says...
Reading these posts with interest. As a die hard marmalade maker for many years I am also wondering where i could get hold of the original rough Seville orange - tree or fruit. Also have a couple of acres and planting out my citrus at the moment. Excited at the prospect.

Time: 18th August 2011 1:51pm

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Xiem says...
Gardenpixie if you want the tree you may be able to get seeds from the Julie tree (see other seville threads on this forum) but if you are looking for the fruit you could contact the Melbourne retailer Colonial Fruit Company and ask them where they source their supplies. I have been buying sevilles from them recently that have rough skin. Maybe they just buy them at Victoria market but perhaps they have more information about the grower.

Time: 18th August 2011 4:37pm

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Mark says...
Gardenpixie... In Mildura & surrounds, Seville Oranges are just left on the trees until they fall off & rot! The growers can't sell them because of Overseas oranges flooding into Australia! If you happen to drive by an orchard up here, just stop & grab what you want! ..NB:: Some Farmers do get a bit 'shirty' if you try to steal their unwanted produce. Most will ask for a few dollars, & some are glad that someone will take them away!... (you didn't think I pay for oranges did you?)

Time: 18th August 2011 10:33pm

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Mark says...
"Excuse Me Peoples.".. I've just been reading som posts about making marmalade on here. I'd like to correct 1 little thing. "Any Orange" is suitable to use to make marmalade,NOT only Seville. The same can be said about ANY Citrus fruits." The only citrus unsuitable for making marmalade are those which have gone rotten or are not yet ripe. .... Of course, there will always be some varieties with a "better taste", but that is only a personal preference. There are no hard & fast rules like some seem to have written.

Time: 18th August 2011 10:43pm

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MaryT says...
True, any citrus would make marmalade individually or mixed but some of us who's made marmalade for decades LIKE the Seville, but obviously not everyone shares out taste.

If you want Seville Orange Marmalade then you have to use Seville Oranges. You are so lucky to be able to just pick them off the ground.

Time: 19th August 2011 6:25am

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JenP says...
Hi Julie
Your Seville must be fruiting & nearly ready for picking. I would love some seeds when u have spares. I will pay for the seeds, postage etc. I believe they have to be kept moist to germinate. Alternatively if anyone knows where to buy a plant (rough skin seville) I would love to know. Please contact by email chancy168@gmail.com

Time: 19th August 2011 9:18am

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Julie says...
JenP, see other Seville thread for update.

Time: 19th August 2011 8:41pm

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Mark says...
Does anyone have a Marmalade recepie (for Any Citrus), but using NO Sugar? .. It must be able to be done,I'm sure.

Time: 25th August 2011 7:57pm

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Julie says...
Maybe Google diabetic recipes. I think you would have to use gelatine to make it set. Better than nothing for a diabetic I guess.

Artificial sweeteners are really bad, so you could use Stevia or Xylitol for sweetening.

Time: 25th August 2011 9:36pm

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MaryT says...
IMHO you cannot make marmalade with NO sugar. Such is the chemistry that produces the result. However, you can cook down some oranges in apple juice and sweeten it further with Stevia but the end product will not be marmalade.

Time: 26th August 2011 7:46am

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Julie says...
I agree Mary - that's why I said 'better than nothing'. It won't be like real marmalade, and probably won't keep, but might satisfy a craving for a diabetic.

Time: 26th August 2011 8:49pm

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MaryT says...
Julie, I have type II diabetes and I can tell you that "a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" :) A little bit of the real thing does it for me. I give the rest away; my friends love it. It would be depressing to miss out altogether.

Time: 27th August 2011 8:28am

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Rick says...
Why on earth would you use gelatin rather than standard pectin to make the marmalade set?
Pectin is not a sweetener.

Time: 27th August 2011 8:40am

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MaryT says...
I have never had to add pectin to make marmalade but not sure how it would work in a NO sugar recipe. Would love someone to tell me.

Time: 27th August 2011 8:59am

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Mark says...
OK, Thank's everyone for your input so far. .. Just one thing Please,if it is not too much to ask. ... If you don't know how to do it, could you please refrain from telling me it's no possible? .. I have eaten it many mant years ago & you'd never know the difference. I just never learned how to make it that way. Oh,, also, NO Pectin, & NO Gelatin, (& I don't have ant Stevia now I've moved.) "Thank You".

Time: 5th September 2011 7:47pm

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amanda says...
Mark, if you google "sugar free marmalade recipes" you will get loads of different options to try :)

Time: 5th September 2011 8:52pm

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MaryT says...
Mark, If you have eaten great marmalade made with no sugar no pectin no gelatin then there's a recipe out there for it somewhere. Sorry that we have not been able to help you ( I have tried Google).

Comments on a topic are not meant to be a one-on-one conversation with the person who posted the topic, so please don't take offence. Think of it as a round table discussion; the person who started the conversation does not get to control the conversation. We do wander from the topic as this started as "Seville Orange Rootstock" posted by allybanana.

Sorry - I mean it (not in inverted commas) as you seem genuinely upset. I take your point that we were not helpful.



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Dave says...
Xiem,Where can I send the seville seeds to.I am also after some Hasting or Maclay sweet(has anyone heard of these) gramma seeds and/or the Trombone gramma seeds, cheers Dave

Time: 7th September 2011 12:57pm

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Xiem says...
Dave thank you very much but I might be moving soon, so I will contact you again through this forum when I am settled and know where I am! I don't want to take your seeds unless I can look after them continuously and see them through to treedom. Thanks again, much appreciated.

Time: 7th September 2011 5:35pm

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Mark says...
Mary T, ... Thanks for trying for me. Apologies to you & everyone on the forum who may have taken offence at anything I have said. .. I Do tend to get a bit "snappy" at times. .. I didn't 'Google it' myself because I really don't like google & never use it. Mary, I didn't take offence at all, but I did get a bit peeved with the way some people gave answers. (I should learn to pull My head in a bit. I sometimes forget that by talking this way, we cannot see or hear each others tones. So, something emailed quite innocently can be taken the wrong way & start WW3.) .... As to the marmalade, I think that the best way For Me, is to experiment. Why not,the oranges are free!

Time: 8th September 2011 7:54pm

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Mark says...
Allybanana,, Please don't think i'm just being 'smart', but, if you are willing to settle for some seeds of seville oranges, Why not just go to the local grocer & buy some seville oranges. Then, enjoy the oranges as you normally would but keep the seeds from them. .. That's how I get some of my vegetable seeds. I also have one or two fruit seeds planted that have not germinated yet, that I got this way. Good Luck.

Time: 8th September 2011 8:02pm

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Mark says...
J. ,, Yes,they sure do grow & fruit well here in Victoria. But don't take my word for it. .. Ask any of the growers up here in & around Mildura! Growing them is not the problem, selling them is, & now they are all just left on the trees until they fall off & rot on the ground. ... But growing them or any citrus & most fruits & veggies here, you have no problem. .. In Upwey area, you should do just as well. It is not as hot down there, but you don't get the freezing cold either.

Time: 8th September 2011 8:10pm

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