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hello people. i live in perth and have a good selection of sub and tropical fruit trees which are all about 8 yo. the one tree that has me worried (re fruiting) is the star apple. it has retic, npk blue, sulphate of potash,animal poo and mulch applied over the year ( no, not all at once)beautifully green and healthy but still no fruit. any suggestions please.

Time: 31st October 2008 11:54pm

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Scott G says...
My tree is about 7 years old. I am not sure if it was grafted - but I suspect not. It is about 4m tall and was burnt by a freak frost over a year ago. It is yet to have a flower. I have read that frost damage can severly reduce yield. I have also read they bear in 5 to 10 years from seed. Perhaps mine is from seed. They are a 'tropical' tree. So maybe they bear in 5 years when planted in the tropics and 10 years when things aren't so perfect. They are a beautiful tree though. I am suprised people dont grow them just for their looks.

Time: 1st November 2008 4:47pm

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trikus says...
A seedling tree in sub-tropics took approx 10 years to fruit . Last year fruits were small golfball size , but after mulching and feeding this year much larger , tennisball size . So it is possible in sub-tropics . The very deep red volcanic soil of Childers helps a lot I think . And yes they are a very beautiful tree , when mature the fantastic rough bark is perfect for epiphytes .
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Time: 2nd November 2008 7:00am

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fruitist says...
There are 2 varieties. One bears smaller purple skinned fruits with purplish pulp. One bears larger green skinned fruits about 10cm big with white pulp in sub-tropic conditions. The later is very very rare in Oz land. Star Apple can root well by cuttings.

Time: 3rd November 2008 9:54am

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trikus says...
I will have to try and get cuttings then , did not know they were so rare . I know of 2 trees . Remember seeing some very large ones at Rustys many years ago .
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Time: 5th November 2008 8:02am

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Bazza says...
STAR APPLE,
Trikus i did not realise this tree was so rare. I bought mine locally at our markets and after 4 years mine is now 3 mitres tall.

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Time: 6th November 2008 4:00pm

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fruitist says...
When I said "very very rare" I meant the green skinned white pulp variety. Are you guys saying you have this variety instead of the purple skinned purplish pulp one?

Time: 6th November 2008 9:30pm

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Bazza says...
Fruitist,
I cannot say yet which coloured fruit i have as my is still to bear Fruit at only 4 years old.

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Time: 7th November 2008 4:06pm

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trikus says...
The green skinned one was in fruit just a few weeks ago not far from Tully . And I know a large tree in Whyanbeel that is green skinned as well . The fruit picture I added earlier is a cross section of one of these green fruits .. ripe and tasty .I planted a few seeds . The foliage on the gtreen one is different as well , not as gold underneath .
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Time: 7th November 2008 6:48pm

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Anonymous says...
Hi Trikus,

Strange that foliage of my supposedly green skinned Star Apple is golden coloured just like the purple skinned one. Both are tiny trees, not bearing yet. The green skinned seeds came from Mexico, from a reliable source. The purple skinned one from a local source.

Do you have spare seeds of the green skined fruits? I have swap with you Kakadu Plum seeds or Cabeludia seeds. Both fresh seeds. If you agree, I will post my email address here.

Talking about Whyanbeel, which orchard you are referring to? The one closer to the main road or the one at the very end?

Time: 8th November 2008 9:26am

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fruitist says...
That was my post previously. Are ALL your foliage green colour underneath or just some are green colored? On closer look, both my trees are green colored on some of the old leaves. Some even have green on one side of the mid longitudinal vein and golden on the other side. All my young immature leaves are golden underneath. Are yours showing same?



Time: 8th November 2008 9:33am

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trikus says...
Just visited another property further along the East Feluga Rd from Trinas place . They had a bearing green skinned one that had lots of ripe fruit , I got 2 and the promise of many cuttings struck after Christamas [ the lady is an excellent propagator ] foliage on this tree had gold reverse on new leaves .. so maybe it is an age thing . Though the tree is young and sparse compared to the large one closer to the beach on Erics place . The enormous tree sat Whyanbeel was not on Alan Carles place , but near HighFalls .. better get my camera out of the car ,, will post pics later .

Time: 8th November 2008 11:40am

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Tran says...
There is anoher big green star apple tree at the car park next to Port Doughlas boat club (the same place of Sunday market but on the other end). Most of the fruits fell of the tree when I saw it 2 years ago. There is a sour soup tree next to it too.

Time: 8th November 2008 1:03pm

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trikus says...
The fruits I got were not that fantastic tasting , ripens a pink colour and had no purple inside the cut fruit . Only 1 seed per fruit . And the fruits were not large . The ones at ERics are much superior and he is propagating some . fruitist , Trina knows Eric and can get in touch with him . He is President of our local Rare Fruit Australia group .

Time: 9th November 2008 4:02pm

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fruitist says...
Ok. Don't know Eric. Not into clubs much locally or otherwise. Not real keen in chasing seeds anymore unless they fall into my lap.

Time: 9th November 2008 7:12pm

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Michael says...
My star apple lost all it's leaves over the last Sydney winter. It's was in full bloom with lot's of tiny flowers but no fruit. It hasn't put out any new growth since then. I really want to buy a new one but before I do does anyone have any success growing star apples especially in the Sydney area ?

Time: 7th December 2009 1:33pm

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Michael, there is a massive star apple in the sydney botanical gardens. Not sure if it fruits though.

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Time: 7th December 2009 3:58pm

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trikus says...
are you sure it is the fruiting one ?
I knew staff at RSBG and was informed of rare flowering spp. related to fruiting one .

Time: 7th December 2009 7:09pm

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HappyEarth says...
No i'm not sure ... I was suprise to see a 'star apple' that big in Sydney. So maybe it is the rare flowering spp. you are talking about. I will find out for you though.

Time: 7th December 2009 7:20pm

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trikus says...
One at RSBG is Chrysophyllum imperiale , very old tree , approx 150 years . Recently seed was sent back to its home of Brazil as it is now endangered there now . I am afraid the fruiting C cainito is fairly tropical and would not thrive out of QLD .

Time: 8th December 2009 8:49am

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trikus says...
http://talkingplants.blogspot.com/2009/06/catalyst-features-my-favourite.html
Well there is a fruit tree at RSBG !
I wonder if it is growing in the tropical house ??

Time: 8th December 2009 8:54am

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HappyEarth says...
OK ... according to my botanical friend there are three closely related species growing in the sydney botanical gardens - Chrysophyllum cainito, Chrysophyllum imperiale and one other Chrysophyllum spp. i cant recall the name.

The true, edible star apple (Chrysophyllum cainito) is growing outside in the gardens and is about 6-7m tall. I saw this one at the end of winter in sydney and it looked very healthy. He is not sure if it fruits though.

My friend also mentioned that the ice cream bean that daleys sells and the same one that everyone has growing around the place is in fact not an inga edulis but another closely related inga species.

Fruit for thought :)

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Time: 8th December 2009 2:25pm

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rmitchell says...
The green ones are common too thats all there is in Philippines, and the trees grow to like 60 ft

Time: 29th April 2010 5:09pm

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kev says...
Just to let you guys know - I have seen 2 of these trees - both the green skin, white pulp variety growing in Katherine and Tennant creek in the NT.

Time: 16th October 2010 10:32am

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micarle says...
I work at syd RBG there is a lot of unusual fruit trees when u take the time to look around. There is a very big white sapote near the creek.

Time: 16th October 2010 12:58pm

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Jason says...
Really I must have spent 20 hours in the Sydney gardens over a few visits and I've never seen a white sapote. The again I still haven't seen the lord howe island figs and I don't know how I didn't see something that large. Amazing what is hiding in there

Time: 16th October 2010 2:37pm

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trikus says...
Damn bats are getting most of the fruit on my tree . It is way to big and will be getting a severe pruning later
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Time: 16th October 2010 4:34pm

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micarle says...
Jason I will get some pics on Monday of some things!!! Including the starapple, white sapote, and some other bits!!!

Time: 16th October 2010 4:43pm

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micarle says...
Some pics of the Star apple!!

pic 1 what seems to be a small fruit forming?? or a flower? i will keep an eye out for fruit.

pic 2 This tree is about 9m tall and has some flying foxes in it!!

pic 3 I think this is the flowing species that was mentioned. out in full sun and a bit more exposed.
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Time: 19th October 2010 8:05pm

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micarle says...
Jason bad pics, but a nice old white sapote. I have never tasted one so i'm keeping my eye's out!!
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Time: 20th October 2010 8:18pm

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Jason says...
It Should have fruit in Autumn and... I guess Summer also. Sydney might be a bit more different than that, here they fruit in May-June and Summer. But maybe the bats will beat you to it :)? I imagine they would like sapotes. I have no idea where in the gardens that is.. somewhere with a car and a road?:). Oh yeah is the bark on the sapote dark grey almost black? because when I saw them in Mexico they had very dark bark, much darker than all the selected trees we got via California have

Time: 20th October 2010 9:16pm

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micarle says...
The tree is located only 20m from the restaurant, the trunk is black brown, i asked one of the team who has eaten a fruit and he said it made his throat nearly close over, so if i can get a fruit i will have a small slice!!

Time: 21st October 2010 10:01am

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Jason says...
Interesting! if the guy that ate one, got it when it was ripe then perhaps is not C edulis as we know it but a related species because it should be very sweet and smooth, although I can't even imagine the badness of eating a firm fruit off the tree for example but I'm sure it would be very bad. I never got to try one in Mexico but the seed on the ground looked similar/same to C. edulis. But the bark was very dark and thats just not quite right or normal and has always had me wondering

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russell says...
Hi,
My starapple that I purchased from Fitzroy Nurseries in Rockhampton is finally flowering this year. It is over 8 years old and I was starting to think about sharpening the chainsaw. It is a beautiful shade tree that has survived many frosts here, inland from Bundaberg. Im a bit of a hard nose as trees go and if they don't fruit they usually go. So it has saved itself. There are 1000's of small buds and petite lime coloured flowers. It may not set fruit this year, but I'm hoping.
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trikus says...
Great Russ , saw a fantastic couple of bearing trees in Cordalba . MY tree is flowering now as well , still not pruned off some of the height . Maybe the cyclone will prune it for me .

Time: 30th January 2011 9:52am

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Mike says...
Starfruit season is almost here again and I am a fan of the pinks,reds and golds.
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Time: 25th April 2013 5:37am

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Mike says...
I meant starapple season.
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Time: 25th April 2013 5:40am

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MaryT says...
Great pics, Mike. Hope they taste as good s they look. I've never tried one. Are you growing these or are they Rusty's specials?

Time: 25th April 2013 9:34am

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Mike says...
Mary the small dark Haitians are from rusty's but the grimal green,reds and mixed up ones are from other sources.It would be better if there was a philipine gold,giant purple and roe starapples in the shot but you can't have everything at once.There are a few type around and haitian is probably the worst.
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Time: 25th April 2013 10:47am

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David says...
Hi Mike you wopuld think that something selected sooooo loong ago like Haitian,that there would be better selections named by now that were freely available rather than the current cultivars.Is this just market driven

Time: 25th April 2013 12:00pm

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Mike says...
David I don't think the market does alot of driving with tropical fruit.Look at a paw paw in the supermarket and it won't be the finet type.I think recognition of varieties and marketing are the main drivers.
Only a few starapple are named and many of the best don't appear to have names.
Haitian has thick skin,is small,plenty of seeds and i blander than most.

Time: 25th April 2013 12:58pm

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BJ says...
Is Haitian easier to graft? It seems that Daley's try to propagate the pinks and golds most years, and list them as 'in production', but the only ones that ever come through for sale are the Haitians...

A bit like the Mamey Sapote issues?

Time: 26th April 2013 10:13am

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Mike says...
I would be surprised if there is any difference BJ.The trees look pretty similar and grow at similar rates.Maybe people have just latched onto the haitain name and only know the one that is most common.

Time: 26th April 2013 11:13am

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Rusty Nuts says...
Something new for all. My wife told me that in the phillipines they use smokers under the starapple trees to encourage fruit set and growth. So this year we burned sawdust in a drum under the starapple tree to discourage the sandflies from the flooding. And so? Well all I can say is that the entire tree is covered in bloom, about 30 fold more flowers than ever before and we plan to smoke the tree through winter this year to test the idea further! I will keep you posted. Oh, by tghe way the fruit on this starapple is purple variety.

Time: 16th May 2013 4:18pm

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The smoking of the tree had no real effect on fruit set. Move over I think that a constant watering in moderation is the best in well drained soil.
The trees can take 10 years to flower and bear fruit! Do not dispair, I almost cut ours out :(
Patience and care will be rewarded.

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Trikus says...
Best fruit set ever on my tree . maybe the constant winter rains helped ?

Time: 17th October 2016 9:48am

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rustynutz says...
Have to concur with that.
Winter rain or winter watering is the key to good fruit growth and set!

Time: 17th October 2016 8:18pm

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Grant says...
It will be a bunch of years away because my Philippine Gold seedling is only one year old but do they fruit ok by themselves or should i plant another close by? And if so does the variety matter for xpollenation?
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Mike Tr says...
DPI gold and alva are both up to 1kg and are vastly superior to others in Australia except Juicy Pearl of course with is C.argentium auratum.

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Starling1 says...
All fruit trees benefit from cross pollination, but the star apple will set on its own at a reasonable rate.

Time: 20th October 2016 8:24am

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Grant says...
Cheers boys, S this is the one you so kindly sent my way, didn't stop growing though winter

Time: 20th October 2016 2:27pm

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Thava says...
Do you have it on the ground? How tall is it?

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Grant says...
Yep in the ground, and has continued to grow well over the past 6 months. Probably 70cm tall and wide

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rustynutz says...
Hello,
No cross pollination required for star apple at all.
We have a second tree but it is 6 years younger than the first and has never flowered yet.
The older tree flowers in January/Februrary and we eat fruit after winter and late spring/ early summer.

Time: 23rd March 2017 7:19am

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Thava says...
I have tried to grow them several times in the ground but they died. Now i have one more plant about 1 meter in the pot. I am too frighten to put in in the ground. Are you in Perth? Is there any specific location that I should plant it in the ground? How tall do you think it will eventually spread out to? The height is another thing I was told to look out for.

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rustynutz says...
If you have severe frosts you will need to protect the tree until it is quit tall. Our would half die some years from frost damage even when 8 foot tall. But now being 6 meters tall and still growing the cold does not effect it.
Do not plant it next to your house unless you plan to keep it pruned low.
The spread can be 8 meters plus!

Time: 24th March 2017 7:17am

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