Star apple phillipine gold (forum)

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Hi everyone,
Does anyone know where I could buy star apple phillipine gold? I only want to buy the white flesh variety and Daleys has only purple varieties in production.

Time: 11th July 2014 2:32pm

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Linton says...
Hi Thithi

I've been looking for this one for a long time also but so far no luck. The purple ones all died that I tried to grow in Melbourne and it's one of my favourite fruits.

What we need is someone to make a dwarf star apple so it can be grown in a pot and taken inside over winter.

Time: 13th July 2014 9:23am

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sternus1 says...
I can send you a grimal if you like Linton (Grimal green).

Time: 13th July 2014 9:52am

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Thithi says...
Linton, sorry to hear that your purple star apples had died. My favorite fruit is also star apple. Daleys are currently 'seeking propagation material' for the Philippine gold. Lol, could it be that Daley is looking for SA seeds to sow?
Have you seen green SA fruits sold in Australia at all? I only saw the purple ones. I don't like the purple color at all!

Time: 13th July 2014 10:02am

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Linton says...
Yes, Daleys have been seeking propagation for the Philippine Gold for many years but never seemed to achieve it. I believe that there are some other green varieties of Star Apples sold in the markets in Cairns.

Hi Sternus, I would be happy to try a Grimal here on the off chance it can be grown successfully, thanks!

Time: 13th July 2014 10:23am

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sternus1 says...
Also, the 'Grimal' sold by Daleys isn't a Grimal cultivar at all. Just another example of them having no idea what they're doing.

I'll send you a green seedling Monday with the other stuff.

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Time: 13th July 2014 10:31am

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Thithi says...
Hi sternus1,
Is your Grimal green same as daleys grimmel? Does Daley misspell the cv or are they two different varieties?
Have your star apple tree produced any fruit for you yet? How old is your tree or trees? (I assume that if you have one to give away, you must have more than one SA)
I am asking too many question? :-)
I guess I can ask, it's up to you to answer or not
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Thithi says...
Oops, you already said they are not the same.

Time: 13th July 2014 10:56am

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sternus1 says...
Thithi Adolf Grimal only ever developed A Green variety of star apple, as far as I'm aware of.

Since the variety Daleys sells is purple, this is not a true Grimal.

Grimal is spelled Grimal.

Daleys also sell a fingerlime variety labelled as Rick's red which isn't the real Rick's red.

They'll pretty much sell anything, it appears, without verifying whether or not it is the genuine article or not.

Time: 13th July 2014 11:07am

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Thithi says...
Hi sternus1,
Do you have any other Grimal seedling or seeds for me? I have mango seedlings (e2r2, kp, nam doc Mai), and jackfruit seeds which may sprout in ...hm a week time hopefully. Maybe we can swap?

Time: 13th July 2014 11:17am

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sternus1 says...
At this point Thithi there's nothing anybody has for trade that I want.

I will send you a grimal green seedling, but it won't be this week, as I owe Linton and that's my immediate priority.

Time: 13th July 2014 1:34pm

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There are greens, bronzes, pinks, golds and silvers in OZ. One that might suit further south is the pink, which is really a different species. It's a much smaller tree than the regular ones and the fruit are a out half the size, single seeded and super sweet, like star apple crossed with condensed milk. All star apple close relatives have very deep roots, so not ideally suited to pots, but the smaller pink ones seem to grow pretty well in a very big pot. Seems more cold hardy than the others. There is a cutting grown variety up north called Pearl something or other.

Time: 13th July 2014 7:58pm

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Thithi says...
Hi sternus1,
Thanks a lot. Really appreciated. I will wait, no problem.


Time: 13th July 2014 8:08pm

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Thithi says...
Hi 'the poster formerly known as',
You have quite a long name. Pink star apples sounds great. There are not much information on them or star apples in general compare with for example avocados or mangos on the net. Also it is not easy to buy fruits or plants.


Time: 13th July 2014 8:20pm

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sternus1 says...
I have a juicy pearl star apple, but couldn't part with it for love nor money. Seems to do well here in Brizzy.

Time: 14th July 2014 7:31am

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Thithi says...
Hi Sternus1,
If I have a juicy pearl star apple, I could not part with it neither.

Time: 14th July 2014 7:38am

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I might be able to get seeds of seedlings of the pink, which is the same as Juicy Pearl, in season. A friend has a nice one. I planted mine in a bad spot and had to move it, damaging the deep roots in the process. It is still growing well and is never bothered by 5 degree starts, but does need more water than the standard ones I have, probably mostly due to the damaged roots though.

Time: 14th July 2014 2:39pm

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Mike Tr says...
Juicy pearl is C.argentium var.auratum so is a different species.Grimal green is one of 3 or 4 green varieties of true starapple in Australia and is not the best.There are reds,philipine gold and various purples.The dwarf Taiwanese yellow star apple appears to be another subspecies of C.argentium.Haitian is probably the poorest quality.

Time: 14th July 2014 3:45pm

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sternus1 says...
Along with the my seedless lychee and praying hand nana, my juicy pearl is my most prized tree. Of the seeds sent to me a friend up I only succeeded in germinating one, probably because I'm just a bit crap at horticulture.

Time: 14th July 2014 5:44pm

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Mike Tr says...
Sternus welcome to the jungle.Bruce I hope your new identity hasn't driven you to wear a second store raspberry beret.

Time: 14th July 2014 6:49pm

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No raspberry berets, but I could sure do with a bit of Purple Rain around here. Even the doves are crying out for some.

I was asked to log in and forgot my old one, so just made a new one.

Time: 15th July 2014 9:36am

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sternus1 says...
Ditto on the rain. Scarcely a drop all season, 35% chance today of nothing worth mentioning, and BOM is predicting a delayed or absent wet season. It looks like more pain again this year.

Time: 15th July 2014 9:53am

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We had mist this morning. Hoping the prediction for proper rain rings true tomorrow.

Time: 15th July 2014 10:41am

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Thithi says...
Hi sternus,
Do you have any Grimal green seedling for me? I am more than happy to pay for it. Email me at thi2020gm@gmaildotcom
Thanks

Time: 27th October 2014 6:05pm

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Michael D says...
I have killed two Grimmal and 1 Phillipines Gold from Daleys and 1 Green variety from the local nursery at Canley Vale but I will never give up trying to grow a Star Apple tree in Sydney.(Also killed 3 Jackfruit trees from Daley and hopefully the fourth in the ground right now with survive)

Time: 29th October 2014 9:09pm

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Markmelb says...
Michael - what are the Jack varieties you have attempted? Have you tried Black Gold? Just put my marcotted jack (dont know variety) back outside but will have to bring in again Sunday nite as a 10c is forecast Mon morning -ughhh - but warmer weather next week


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Michael D says...
Hi Mark
Ive only tried growing the crisp varieties .Tweed Crisp,Picone Crisp twice and currently growing Galaxy .I believe Black Gold is a soft flesh variety.The reason I kept trying is that Ive seen Jackfruit trees with fruits in a few backyards in my area so it gives me hope.Ive been told there is a fruiting star apple tree in Guildford in Sydney so this is the reason I kept trying to grow one.

Time: 29th October 2014 11:00pm

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Thithi says...
So daley did sell philipine gold before. Thought they never did. I am trying to get grafted star apples for Philippine gold, and juicy pearl. Does anyone know where I could buy them?

Time: 29th October 2014 11:28pm

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I think the only place you'll get a veg prop Juicy Pearl is through Peter Saleras and Trinas nursery. They have done cutting grown plants previously. Seedlings are much easier to get and are a separate species so will almost always grow true to type anyway. They have great stuff, but good luck getting it. You pretty much have to pre arrange a road trip to get the good stuff...

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sternus1 says...
yes, not all caimito are created equal especially in terms of how well they do outside of the tropics. Greens and purples can do well in Brisbane but Juicy Pearl is unknown to me in terms of performance here. They are an ok fruit, but I wouldn't preference them over other subtropical bearers like rollinia.

I can send you the juicy pearl I have thithi but I can make no guarantees as to how well it will do for you, unchartered territory for me at least. I doubt anyone else outside of the tropics has one fruiting, but maybe somebody will surprise me and chip in. I have no idea where deer park is.



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There are fruiting 'JP' seedling trees in Capalaba. It was recommended as being more suited to sub tropics than most others, but NSW and VIC are another thing entirely. My one piece of advice is to not try to re-plant once you put them in ground. The roots grow extremely quickly and deep and if you dig them up you will cut off some of the pioneer roots and it will take a good year or two for the plant to regain anything like its original vigour.

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Thithi says...
Thank 'the poster' for the tips.

Time: 30th October 2014 3:31pm

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Thithi says...
Hm... Couldnot google Trinas nursery or Peter saleras

Time: 30th October 2014 3:46pm

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Thithi says...
Sternus, no worries. I understand the risk.

Time: 31st October 2014 7:34am

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Mike Tr says...
Fruit forest farm might yield better results.
The philipine gold starapple may also be called DPI gold as I suspect they are the same thing.Alva is also an elite starapple.

Time: 31st October 2014 9:01am

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Thithi says...
Thanks a lot mike. Look like I may need to travel to Queensland. Don't know whether jackfruit season and star apple season coincide? What would be the best time to visit fruit forest farm?

Time: 31st October 2014 9:42am

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Mike Tr says...
Starapples are fruting now for a short season and jackfruit are in season from October until April.They are not really open to the public and are more of a working farm.

Time: 31st October 2014 10:01am

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Thithi says...
I contacted forest fruit farm. The farm have just closed for the year. I was told that best time to come for farm tour and trying star apples is September.
Any suggestion for other nurseries that I should visit when I go to forest fruit farm?

Time: 31st October 2014 5:23pm

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Driving between Townsville and cairns can be quite fruitful. Bruno in Innisfail might be a good stop. I think the Borneo Collection is pretty much wiped out now? Botanic Ark further north is worth a stay over if you can afford it. Then there is Scomazzons up north and the place in Cape Trib. Those are the more popular ones. Local RFC might be able to help out with friendly local growers

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Thithi says...
Thanks the poster.

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trikuslaptop1 says...
First major harvest of Juicy pearl fruits have just been sent to market . Have enjoyed eating a few .. very few seeds in these fruits
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Manfred says...
I was fortunate enough to drop in on trikus on Friday afternoon and have a go at the juicy pearls.

I definitely want one of those! If you are reading this Trina, expect me to drop in tomorrow for morning tea and a juicy pearl.

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David says...
Would love some seeds of those babies, anyone out in the ether listening(hope so).

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David talk to me in a couple of months.Juicy pearl is Chrysophyllum argentium subspecies auratum so is
not really a starapple.They are good but there is true greatness around. DPI Gold and alva are really the cream of the Chrysophyllum crop and true starapples.
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I'm about to buy a big purple starapple tree here, i guess it's grafted or airlayered.

But are the purples worth it or should i go after another one?

If anybody needs jackfruit seeds then let me know, as long as it's legal to send them i will.

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David says...
Thanks Mike you have my attention.

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Thithi says...
My pearl small star apple seedling (from sternus) could withstand 0.9c in winter, then its leaves became droopy, so I took it indoor. It is still alive.

To mlke, what fruit is it in the pic? Dpi gold? Alva? Look so yummy.

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MIke T1 says...
DPI gold in the pic

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yum yum
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Manfred says...
Hey Bang- how much room do you have. If you can fit both in, why not have both. If you can't, then the juicy pearl would definitely be the one to have.

(I couldn't get one today, but Trina is putting my name on one for later. I saw the trees in the orchard, and they seem to be bearing about as much as the purples. Even if they didn't, how much star apple can anyone eat? I had a branch come down on one of my trees from weight of fruit last Friday, and my other tree is my sacrificial fruit-bat feeder tree. Unfortunately, the fruit-bat diversion theory isn't working.)

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sternus1 says...
Manfred if you're willing to put some in a box and post them to me I can pay. Green sapotes, mamee too.

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Here are the 3 together and the DPI gold in hand.
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Grant says...
Hey Sternus, tried to email you but just kept bouncing back, is the old hushmail still active?

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sternus1 says...
Sorry grant my old email is closed down now.

My newy:

ljstarling@protonmail.com

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Thithi says...
Hi Linton, it looks yummy. How do you rate it against American pawpaw?
my star apple probably dead, although the pearl still is alive. I think I will try again one more time.

Time: 10th September 2015 5:49pm

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Linton says...
To Thithi and others in Melbourne trying to grow star apples.

I have tried growing various Chrysophyllum species here as the usual type of Star Apples have never survived. The only one that has kept growing throughout Winter and remained unscathed is Chrysophyllum imperiale.

That's hardly surprising when you consider that there are 3 of these plants growing in Melbourne's Royal Botanic Gardens. I happened to stumble upon one of them about a year ago when walking in the gardens which prompted me to try growing it.

The down side is that the seeds are hard to come by and the tree may take many years to reach fruiting maturity. But the good part is that, unlike Star Apples, Chrysophyllum imperiale is easy to grow, extremely hardy, and shown to be well adapted to the climate down here.

Picture of fruit of Chrysophyllum imperiale.
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Linton says...
Hi Thithi

I haven't tried the fruit of Chrysophyllum imperiale so can't really comment about that.

What I meant to say was that I decided to try to grow a plant, not to try eating a fruit, although I would have if one was available for eating. The tree I saw in the gardens was still small, probably less than a metre high and wide and bushy with large leaves, but there were no fruit on it. But it was growing in an open clearing so it indicates that it should be very suitable for growing here in Melbourne.

It's a rare plant but definitely worth giving a go if you can find some seeds online. They come up from time to time

Cheers!.

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Markmelb says...
Linton - looks an amazing plant with the new golden growth flush - about when do they ripen & what is your opinion on taste or comparison with other fruits.
Missed ThiThi's post before and comment
From what i read on Sydneys BGs site there are 3 there and one is pretty old and should have fruit - like over 100 years old planted by a Royal in 1868.
https://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/education/Resources/BABQ/Tree_Truths?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=printer_friendly

Time: 10th September 2015 8:43pm

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Linton says...
Never tasted one and don't know when is the season. Think it would be impossible to find a fruit of Chrysophyllum imperiale in Melbourne as they are not under commercial cultivation and the trees in the gardens are probably still too young.

The old tree in Sydney should bear fruit though. Cheers!



Time: 11th September 2015 1:05pm

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Bangkok says...
I just bought a bigger (150 cm) purple starapple tree, it looks great.

If anybody has seeds left of the best variety then let me know please.

I never ate this fruit but i trust you guys that they great.



Time: 11th September 2015 4:56pm

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Linton says...
Chrysophyllum imperiale.

If anyone got the Spring edition of Diggers Magazine there is a short excerpt about this plant.

During an interview with Tim Entwisle, the director of the Melbourne Royal Botanic Gardens, when asked about his top ten favourite plants, Chrysophyllum imperiale came in number 2!

It would be great if Daleys could grow some of these so they would be more readily available to us.

Time: 19th October 2015 8:45pm

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Pademelon1 says...
Does anyone know if the fruit of C. Imperiale are edible and tasty, and how long they take to reach maturity?

Oh, and btw, the Syd RBG one does fruit, and the growing friends nursery does occasionally sell seedlings of it.

Thanks,
Pade

Time: 15th February 2016 8:29pm

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Mike Tr says...
I understand they are ok but not great.I did have some seeds from the bot gardens and some from brazil.The Australian ones didn't grow and I gave away the 2? I had.

Time: 16th February 2016 9:49am

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