Thai Salak for Brisbane (forum)

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To the fellow who called me during the week about growing Salak in Brisbane after trying them in Thailand.The literature is full of false names but the 3 best salak types are the 3 most cold tolerant and should go ok.None are available here but all are permitted for seed entry.They are Salacca wallichiana varieties Sala sumalee and Sala nern wong.The other really good salak is Salacca zalacca amboina var. Gula Pasir from the east Bali highlands at around 1000m.It is a strain of the self fertile Bali/Ambon subspecies.

Time: 23rd September 2011 7:52pm

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trikus says...
I will have some S WALLICHIANA FOR SALE SOON .. The seeds came from a respected importer who has grown and fruited them , and donated fruits for a RARE FRUIT AUSTRALIA
Time: 26th September 2011 8:39am

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Robert says...
Hi Trikus,

May I ask if I need more than one palm to produce fruits and by the way do you sale the fruits or palm or both?
Many thanks

Time: 26th September 2011 9:31am

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Mike says...
I have heard that a few wild types of wallichiana are around but no superior cultivars that are not as thorny,are small or have sweet fruit.Rakum and sakum types are not worthwhile and even sala sane are not worth it really but the 3 top salas are excellent and you need both sexes.Most seeds grow males unless they are from 3 loculed fruit.I passed a few sala seeds and seedlings to someone at east feluga.

Time: 26th September 2011 4:45pm

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Mike says...
What would be ideal would be is a trusted Thai person to buy sala sumalee from the markets,Big C or Lotus supermarkets and send the seeds of confirmed identity.Giant sweet maprangs,laplae and chantaburi 1,2 ,3 durian seeds,dwarf flowering lotus seeds would be great while they're at it.A bali source who could send gula pasir salak seeds would also be nice.There are still some fantastic fruit out there that we don't have in Australia but are permitted to come in.

Time: 26th September 2011 8:54pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Trikus,

By any chance you will have some salak fruits for sale in the near future?

Thanks.

Lucy.

Time: 30th October 2012 2:56pm

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Mike says...
If you see a Salacca wallachiana the good ones have been bred to have less spines.Rakum and sakum are giants with fierce thorns and sour fruit,Sala moh and sane are intermediate with sweet/sour fruit and moderate thorns on a medium sized plant.Sala noen wong and sumalee are small plants with sweet fruit and few thorns.
In the picture Sala noen wong in the foreground has few thorns and Sala moh behind has more.
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Time: 30th October 2012 9:30pm

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Mike says...
Maybe this is a better pic of Salacca wallichiana var. sala moh.
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Time: 30th October 2012 9:33pm

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Mike says...
When you find yourself in Bali scrutinizing the fruit of Salacca zalacca amboina choose the paler upland gula pasir and bring the seeds home.
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Time: 30th October 2012 9:36pm

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VF says...
Mike, those spines look nasty and wouldn't look out of place around the perimeter of a prison. I've ditched my Date Palms for lesser spines than those after too many piercings. Are the smoother varieties reasonably accessible to buy, and are they tolerant of cooler conditions such as in SE Qld?

Time: 1st November 2012 11:22am

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Mike says...
VF the sour prickly S.wallichiana are easy to get from overseas but the elite sweet types on smooth plants are not.They should be fine in Bris.With Bali salaks (S.zalacca subs. amboina) the standard dark lowland ones will struggle in Briz but the upland gula pasir should be ok.That being said, no one has ever tried to grow them yet, I don't think.

Time: 1st November 2012 12:17pm

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VF says...
Thanks Mike, looks to be something to keep an eye out for.

Time: 1st November 2012 1:45pm

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Linton says...
Flavoured Salaks

This article from Garuda magazine talks about the different flavoured Salaks developed in Bali, like pineapple and cloves.

http://v2.garudamagazine.com/whatson.php?cat=travel&id=484

But the last time I went to Sibetan the locals blocked the road and wouldn't let us through.

Time: 2nd November 2012 9:07am

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ivepeters says...
Might be worth sending off a letter to the plantation owner,see if they would export seeds as well.

Time: 2nd November 2012 12:08pm

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Linton says...
I don't think you can get any salak seeds from there at the moment as it is not the season. Some friends in Karangasem told me the Salak season there is in January.

This is a link to a video all about that plantation for the Sibetan salaks and the salak wine they are making.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1koeMoBxJY

Time: 3rd November 2012 7:48pm

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Linton says...
As mentioned previously, the season for gula pasir salaks is in January. In case you're interested.

Time: 9th January 2013 8:05am

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Mike says...
I have one gula pasir from someone who visited in September and got seeds.I think the main season is Dec/Jan.

Time: 9th January 2013 8:45am

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Linton says...
It's surprising if you got seeds in September as it is way out of season. I also got seeds in September only to find out that they were the wrong ones.

My brother was in Karangasem last month and his friend has a farm in Sibetan which grows this type of salak. There were definitely no genuine gula pasir available in Bali last month as the season is very pronounced in the middle of January. It will be around 15 January.

Time: 9th January 2013 2:14pm

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Linton says...
Just an update - I called the people in Sibetan yesterday. They said that the harvest of gula pasir will take place on 20 January.

Time: 10th January 2013 8:55am

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Mike says...
Sibetan is usually quoted as having 14 or 15 salak varieties (all are Salacca zalacca amboina subs.) and ranging from 400m to 600m altitude.Gula pasir variety is usually quoted as being confined to the eastern highlands only above 800m.Linton are you sure gula pasir is one to the varieties they have?Maybe the references are not correct.

Time: 10th January 2013 10:12am

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Linton says...
No, I can't be 100 percent sure that they are the correct species. But from their description this type seems to be quite unlike any of the other varieties grown there.

Time: 11th January 2013 11:08am

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sovath says...
I have some salak trees. now it time to give fruit. now i would like to know some advises to give any fertilizer to my salak tree.

Time: 24th January 2013 2:46pm

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