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Roger starts with ...
Hi Mike,

Wonder if there is any chance of a UD hog plum seed. I live in Melbourne and try growing tropical fruits. Have done
well with the big guavas and Wax Jambu.

many thanks
Roger

Time: 24th October 2012 4:59pm

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Mike says...
Roger there is a chance.What is your address?

Time: 25th October 2012 8:17pm

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Roger1 says...
Hi Mike,
49 Eyebright Square
Hallam. Vic. 3803

thanks a lot
Roger

Time: 28th October 2012 11:48am

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VF says...
Mike, seeds are starting to sprout now, and they're suprisingly fast - one day there's nothing there, and the next day there's an inch high seedling, no in-between. Thanks again.

Time: 1st November 2012 1:52pm

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Mike says...
Roger hang in there I just have to wait for a few to get ripe.

VF they are a bit like that.They will go slow again soon and then take off when 10cm high.They can fruit very quickly.

Time: 1st November 2012 10:39pm

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John Mc says...
You're right there Mike. Mine is in it's third year with it's second crop hanging on over winter, just underripe. This year it flowered early (for here) so might get two crops, the over winter crop and a crop off the current flowers.

The "over winter" crop is starting to swell now, but I'm wondering if they are going to be representative of it's true edible qualities. No matter what the outcomer, at least I should get some viable seed, they appear to be popular. I still have no idea what to expect, I have never tasted or experienced one.
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Time: 2nd November 2012 7:46am

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MaryT says...
I'm so jealous John Mc because mine died. It was going really well but I went away and it (and a number of other things) died even though I hired a fellow to come and water and my friends/neighbours all said they will keep an eye:( Here's the last picture I have of it in March this year and when it first arrived.
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Time: 2nd November 2012 8:17am

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Mike says...
Mary the ambarella train has not derailed entirely and only time has been lost.Let me know the casualties and most can be replaced with a few extra real stars.

The UD hog plum has larger and sweeter fruit than the standard dwarf.It is almost like there are 3 species.

Time: 2nd November 2012 8:58am

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MaryT says...
Thanks Mike you are ever so generous but I think I have been punished for being too greedy so please don't worry about sending a replacement. I still have lot of plants that you gave me. It's partly John Mc's fault for saying he's only two hours north of Sydney so I used to think I can grow what he can grow :) Fact is he has superior knowledge and all mod cons to provide the best environment for his plants. The most important being LAND. lol

Here are but a few of your plants that are still growing strong and spreading :)
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Time: 2nd November 2012 10:23am

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Mike says...
Ok Mary but when I am rollin' in bath tubs of good quality seeds and herbs looking for a good home I will let you know.

Time: 2nd November 2012 10:26am

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MaryT says...
Some things that grew like weeds at your place are very temperamental here - as you can see (above) I had to wrap the sweet leaf in plastic over winter; it's the only one of several seedling that survived. Also the paddy field herb was under glass 'cause it hates the cold. It's one of my favourite herbs which is why it never gets a chance to get bigger lol

Time: 2nd November 2012 11:38am

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Lucinda says...
Hi Mike,
My UD Hog Plum is still ok, I think so. It's like a stick without any leaves now. I see the top is green so I hope the leaves will grow soon. Although the weather in Sydney is still cold in the evening, I move it outside to get the sunshine in the morning. There's no sign from the seed. The pepper vine buds are shooting now. It means the vine can stand cold weather.

Time: 2nd November 2012 11:39am

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John Mc says...
Mary, I still have drawbacks living where I am. The sheep next door broke through the fences two nights ago and totalled, almost destroyed my fav Secondo avo tree. Also cleaned up my fully in flower Jujube trees, 5 in total, I've been hand watering them since Early August under Lucy's instructions. Not to mention my Ballerina apple tree, in fruit for the first time in four years, that I have been hand pollinating because of lack of pollinators. That kind of experience knocks the shine off very quickly.

(recomposes self....

Three types Mike? I can't remember if you sent me the one in the pic above? It's attained 5ft in ~3 years. Would it be considered mid size (dwarf)? You also sent me a very small hog plum, now in a 4" pot, just scraping through winter, picking up nicely now. Maybe it's ud?

Time: 2nd November 2012 4:30pm

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MaryT says...
Poor you, John Mc; that must have been heart breaking. Did you have shepherd's pie for dinner? I'm glad we don't have marauding sheep roaming about. So sorry to hear it.

Time: 2nd November 2012 5:42pm

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Mike says...
Must have been a wolf in sheep's clothing.The standard hog plum has large good quality fruit and the dwarf and small fruit of only mediocre quality.The UD hog plum has large/medium fruit of good quality.The groth forms of all 3 are different also.

Time: 2nd November 2012 6:02pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi John,

Sorry to hear about the saga you had the other day with the sheep. As long as the grafting bit still there, new grow/flowers will appear again soon. These jujube trees can continue to flower from October up to April next year.

Talking about UD hog plum mine is flowering right now after 9 months from seed thank to the generosity of Mike.

Time: 2nd November 2012 9:05pm

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John Mc says...
That's very encouraging Jujube Lucy. I've been really worried about them. The sheep ate all the new growth back to the main stem on 5 trees, some you sent this year and some in pots from years previous. They have been performing extremely well, putting on heaps of growth and loaded in flowers thanks to your involvement. The tall one got away untouched(Si-h).

Time: 2nd November 2012 9:41pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi John,

Keep on good work. You won't be disappointed. I broke the only young bud of my brand new jujube tree last year about the same time and the new branch grew back in no time.

Time: 2nd November 2012 10:02pm

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VF says...
Wow, fruiting so early from seed is exciting, and good to eat too! Whilst I am generally patient (sort of, anyway) waiting for fruit trees to bear, it's always nice when you have one that's a little more instant.

Time: 3rd November 2012 2:42am

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Mike says...
John I only sent UD hog plums and your 5ft one could be the standard dwarf or a runty big one.
Mary I do recognise that plants from your pix.I have a few new ones as well now

Time: 3rd November 2012 7:54am

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tp says...
is there anybody can help me to have a hog plum seed? that I can grow. I am in sydney.
thanks
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Time: 4th February 2013 3:42pm

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Linton says...
Hi Ive

Yes the triplets are going just great and healthy. Must be due to all the warm weather here. They never lost any leaves since they arrived and I transplanted them.

Time: 11th February 2013 8:14pm

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ivepeters says...
Good to hear Linton
May they keep motoring along.


Time: 11th February 2013 9:30pm

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Linton says...
But the real test for the triplets will be to see how they survive the Winter!

Time: 12th February 2013 9:05am

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Kim says...
Mike - would you have any seeds to spare? I've just been reading some of the older posts and would really like to give this one a go? I'll pay postage, and any costs of course. :)

Time: 20th May 2013 6:04pm

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Jason says...
I have one of these, although it's a male tree and I only have one so I don't get fruit. I did grow fast and flowered after not too many years. It's a big tree now, you will have no problem growing these in Melbourne that's for sure, these things grow like a weed. Don't need fertiliser water or anything

Time: 20th May 2013 7:46pm

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Kim says...
I thought they're self fertile?

Time: 23rd May 2013 9:15pm

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Mike says...
They are self fertile.

Time: 23rd May 2013 10:13pm

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Kim says...
Does anyone have seeds to spare? :)

Time: 23rd May 2013 10:58pm

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Jason says...
Oops, mine is a similar looking thing called a Kaffir plum

Time: 24th May 2013 12:32am

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Kim says...
They do look similar Jason! Never heard of kaffir plum before... Sounds interesting. Ambarella seems to be a better fruit for eating out of hand though.

Time: 27th May 2013 5:50pm

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fruit365ayear says...
Hello looking to buy a dwarf ambarella tree or seeds could also swap non astringent persimmon seedlings for them if your interested in selling or swapping email me at hammonvanhoren@yahoo.com



Time: 27th September 2013 3:32pm

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Linton says...
Fruit365 - you will probably need to wait until the fruit are in season before you can get any seeds.

I don't expect there would be any of the dwarf fruit around in Melbourne until end of summer, but maybe earlier further north.

However there's plenty of Hog Plum fruit from the normal size trees in the shops at the moment but they are probably imported form Queensland. I doubt if they could be grown here or in Adelaide.

Time: 29th September 2013 6:22pm

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ivepeters says...
Does the fruit get attacked by fruit fly ?

Time: 2nd November 2013 8:53pm

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Linton says...
Hi Ive.

Yes the 3 plants have survived winter here outside but undercover. They didn't even lose many leaves and I thought they were supposed to be deciduous.

Now they are taking off again with the warmer weather. Very happy with them so far.

Time: 5th November 2013 7:38pm

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ivepeters says...
That's good to hear, hopefully will fruit for you.
Kept 4 for myself, rest given to family and friends.

Thanks again Mike.

Had one fruit like crazy before winter, lost all its leaves ,fruit was all that was left hanging over winter. Now back to full leaf. Others are starting to flower and set fruit now.

Even had one late arrival pop up over winter, was about to recycle the pot.


Time: 5th November 2013 7:57pm

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Mike Tr says...
Qflies don't attack them. Mine is laden with large green fruit ranging down to flowers.

Time: 5th November 2013 8:10pm

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ivepeters says...
Great
That's one less variety I have to bag.

Time: 5th November 2013 8:21pm

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TramyN1 says...
Hi, does anyone have any seeds to spare? :) Thank you

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Linton says...
My little Hog Plum tree has 4 fruits still hanging on from last Summer. From the comments I have been reading here regarding other species that do that, the fruit are not so good if they stay on the tree over Winter.

I can't tell if these fruit are ripe or not but please advise if I should remove them to give the plant a chance to make more fruit this season. Thank you.
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Peter91 says...
How did yours survive winter Linton? Mine absolutely hated the first week of mild winter and carked it.



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Linton says...
Hi Peter

Do you mean how do they survive in a pot or in the ground? They are relatively easy to grow here if in a pot and should be even easier over there in Adelaide where it's a bit milder.
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Peter91 says...
Hey Linton, yeah mine was in a pot under shelter and as soon as winter started it started to look extremely soppy and dropped all it's leaves etc, it did the same last winter but came back where as this time I'm going to assume it's definitely dead as it never came back.

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Linton says...
Attention Peter....more information required please!

Thinking about why your Hog Plum might have died, could you please advise if you had bought a plant already started or grew it from seed. If it was from seed what time of the year was it sown, or more importantly when did it sprout? They need a long Summer to get the deep tuberous roots down which enables the plant to survive over Winter when it is dormant. So seedlings would need to be started as early as possible in Spring to get them well established before the onset of the following Winter.

You need to use as deep a pot as possible for those roots to go down and develop. Needless to say you should not water this plant once the weather starts to cool down and if the soil is still wet when it is cold it will probably die. I'm sure if you observe these 2 requirements you will have no trouble growing Hog Plums in Adelaide. The local nursery here in Police Road has advanced Hog Plum trees for sale but not sure if they are aware of the growing conditions.

The pictures give you an idea of the deep pot that I use. The tree is already starting to flower again, but they're too small yet to see in the pictures.


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Linton says...
Dear Peter

In that case your tree was about 2 years old right, and therefore the roots should have been well established. So it would seem that the soil may still have been damp for it to die.

How big was the pot it was in? As mentioned the roots go down deep so a standard type of pot wouldn't be sufficient and the roots might have been pressed to the bottom with possible trapped water or insufficient drainage. The tall deep pots allow the water to drain away completely. Please try it.

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Peter91 says...
Hey Linton thanks for the info, I got my UD from Ive and I'd say it was 2 to 3 years old and I recently potted it up to a larger pot before winter but it wasn't a longer deep one like yours...However after what you've told me I'm positive it died off from the soil being damp over winter which is a shame.

Yours is looking great and even fruiting so you've proven it can be done, so I may give this one another shot if I can find another UD plant.

Time: 14th December 2017 1:22pm

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Linton says...
Dear Peter, hope you had a joyous Christmas and the new year brings more successes with your trees.Here's some pictures with my hog plum currently flowering and making new fruit.

There's another thing I didn't mention about this plant which might enable it to be grown more easily in Adelaide. I'll tell you more about my idea next time. Cheers!
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TramyN1 says...
Hi Linton, I am just wondering if you have UD hog plum seeds or trees for sale.
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