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Hello Everyone ,
I would like people's suggestions on what to grow in my last sunny spot in the garden. It receives plenty of sunshine for most of the day with good drainage. I am currently deciding between the following plants which I currently have in pots . They are green sapote,white sapote,sapodilla,pomello ( nam roi variety), grumichama,jaboticaba and ambarella. I currently have grown in the ground 2 mango trees,1 lime tree,I wampi tree,1 star apple tree, 1 wax jambu tree and 1 star fruit tree .This last plant should make my garden complete with the rest of my plants I shall keep in pots.

Time: 18th August 2009 1:38pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
I suggest you have the white sapote .Mine is very big and has given me lots of fruits at least twice a year. What is the variety of your white sapote?

Not jaboticaba, because it took mine 10 years to flower and after that just a dozen fruits a year, very thirsty tree to have.

Sydney weather is warmer than Melbourne, you may try. My pomelo fruits well for me but not enough heat for them to produce flavour.
The fruits are sweet but a bit bitter after taste.

Time: 18th August 2009 2:09pm

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HappyEarth says...
Id go for the white sapote as well ... the others you can grow well in a pot but the white sapote will get too big too quick.

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Time: 18th August 2009 3:23pm

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Michael says...
Hi Rich / Nguyet ,
My white Sapote is an unknown variety and it's growing really fast inside a pot .It is almost 2 metres tall but very thin. I heard that for some variety you need 2 trees for it to fruit so without knowing the variety i'm not sure if I was wasting my time with the white Sapote. Do any of you have photos of your Sapote tree? What does the fruit taste like ?

Time: 18th August 2009 8:12pm

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HappyEarth says...
Fruit taste great .. you can check out a photo of my almost 1 year old tree: http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/my/l/252/white-sapote-lemon-gold.jpg

Is yours a grafted variety?

Time: 18th August 2009 8:36pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Michael,

Here are my trees, one has both ortego and pike. The other has only vernon and only fruit every second year. If you have one tree only then you should have otergo or Vernon. They are polinators.

They taste like very sweet creamy avocado or custart apple. They are my best fruit trees equally to jujube trees.

Pic 1,2,4 are ortegon fruits, pic 3 is pike fruits. These pictures I took 3 years ago. Vernon fruits were in the back ground of pike variety (pic 3)
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Time: 18th August 2009 9:22pm

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Michael says...
Wow that is very impressive.So many fruits on the one tree. Seems like the White Sapote tree can get quite big. I don't think it will be suitable in the space I have.I might plant the Jujube tree you sent me instead. Hopefully I should get it by tommorrow.

Time: 18th August 2009 9:49pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Michael,

I hope you get your tree tomorrow too.

Those white sapote trees never let me down.

Yes, it is good idea to have jujube on that spot.

I have a seedling white sapote next to the vernon and it has been six years (just tested) and it has not fruited yet and very skinny tree too.

Do you know how to graft a a named variety onto your white sapote? I could send you some cuttings of my varieties for you to graft to your white sapote tree if you are interested. Please let me know.

Time: 18th August 2009 9:59pm

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Michael says...
Thanks for the kind offer but that's okay. I'll check with the nusery where I got it from and just ask them for the variety first. I'm so interested in seeing all your other fruit trees .Do you mind posting some more pictures when you get the chance ?


Time: 18th August 2009 10:04pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Michael,

Here they are:
pic 1: star fruit Kary, never set fruits, lots of flowers
pic 2: Sesame seed plant
pic 3: pineapple I grow from the top of a fruit
pic 4: white sapote
pic 5: persimon fuju, plenty of fruits.Jaboticaba 16 years old on the right with black pot underneath
pic 6: pepino in pot
pic 7: lotus in container
pic 8: jujube fruits
pic 9: jaboticaba first fruit
pic 10: Indian cobra melon (dua gang)
pic 11: dragon (white, yellow, red) vine. had since moved due to fence replacement. Had 1 flower last year.
pic 12: How much I havest from the Acerola (so? ri VN)
pic 13: acerola in netting
pic 14: acerola fruits and flowers
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Time: 19th August 2009 12:09pm

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Ellen says...
Hi Nguyet

how old is your acerola cherry tree ( sơ ri VN) ?

Do you trim it back ?

Do you put the a.cherry in ground or in pot ?

What does the pepino taste like ?

And why do you have that mesh around your a.c tree ?

I am curious ?






Time: 19th August 2009 12:26pm

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Michael says...
Thanks Nguyet for sharing your photos . I'm always fascinated to see other people's gardens . As Ellen mentioned above do you like the taste of the pepino? I have a large shrub with about 15 fruits but I don't really like the taste of the pepino. People say it tastes like a sweet honey dew melon but I don't like the aftertaste in your mouth.Your acerola tree reminds me of Vietnam where people would sell them in small plastic bags. Good luck with your garden and thanks for the Jujube tree.


Time: 19th August 2009 1:26pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen and Michael,

Acerola is in a standard 50 litre pot. about 8 years old. I pruned every year but only the dried braches.

They love water so much that the more you give to them the more flowers you will get but 95% drop off.You get fruits set every now (I mean November) and then until April. I have to net the tree because birds love them. The good thing about acerola, jaboticaba that, it takes only about 25 days from fruit set to ripen so surely you will get some to eat.

Regarding to pepino (smell like rock melon but hardly sweet), I don't like the taste either. It has sort of astringent after taste unless you leave it all turn brown than it is a touch better but still.

I still have white Asian grape fruit (very productive) I picked all the fruits just a month ago, blood orange, Indian lemon, Asian pear, normal pear, Imperial mandarin, plums and babaco. When they are in fruits I will post some more photos.

picture 1: Fruit we had when we were in Cairns in 2007.
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Time: 19th August 2009 2:19pm

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amanda says...
Nice trees Jujube...that's a lovely persimmon tree u have there - well done! I pulled my pepinos out - I thought they were really bland :( They also attracted fruit fly pretty bad.

I don't get much fruit off my acerola either - it's nearly 3 yrs old and doing well here in full sun and coastal winds - tough plant - gives me no trouble and birds like fruit!

Time: 19th August 2009 5:05pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Many thanks Amanda and Michael.

Time: 19th August 2009 9:11pm

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Michael says...
Thanks Jujube for the fast delivery of my tree.I got mine just now and quickly planted it a large pot. I intend to plant it in the ground next month. Anyone thinking of buying a Jujube tree then JFSIM is a good reliable source.Hassle free and very quick service.

Time: 19th August 2009 9:21pm

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Ellen says...
Nguyet

Thank you for sharing your plants' profile .

May I ask a few more question (s)? hihihi

the Jab. tree, does it fruit much for you ?
How tall is your Jab. tree now?

Regarding the w.sapote .
What does the fruit taste like ? (It looks like it's a very bushy tree.

Regarding the A.cherry tree
A friend of mine in CA has one, he put it in ground, and in a spot that is shelter pretty much from windy days. So when it does flower it set fruit 80% rate.So It fruited quite abundantly when it is in season.

Time: 20th August 2009 12:00am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Michael,

Many thanks for your kind words. This jujube selling project is about sharing with all the people who are interest in growing this wonderful rare fruit tree in the Southern states and to send them, I have treated them as my own in term of packing.

Hi Ellen,

Many thanks.

The Jaboticaba tree is 14 years old and 2.5 meters, initially very slow growing . I first saw the flowers about 8 years ago but just a bunch of 3. I read a book which said that this one is very shy in term of bearing.
In the early stage, give it lots of dynamic lifter. At bearing age, just ring bark 1/3 of the branches around November for one year then the next year another third. You would complete the whole cycle in 3 years. I hope fruit bearing will improve with age.

I did mine a couple of year ago. It has given me about a dozen fruits a year. I suspect that to improve the fruiting bit I need two trees because they can be interpolinated.

In Avocado world in Goldcoast I have seen these trees in a group. lots of cute fruits around the trunks.

They taste a bit like mangosteen to me so if you can't grow mangosteen in Southern states then I think this is a good tree to have but need lots of water.

Mine in flowers about 3 times a year.

White Sapote (ice cream fruit): creammy like custard apple without fibourous segments or sweet avocado or ice cream.
if you leave it in the fridge over night.

Acerola: I run out of space in the garden so I put in the pot. I agree if it is on the ground there is a possibility that you would have more fruit but remember birds will have them before you do, if you don't net.

Anyway, all the fruits in my garden, I have to bag them all, not with plastic bag but cloth bag and still not very sercure, birds or possum could chew the bags to open.

Time: 20th August 2009 8:56am

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amanda says...
I am impressed that the jaboticaba flowers 3 times a year in Melb!.. do they flower more often in warmer climates? Ellen - white sapote is lovely! Avocado texture but custard apple flavour..are u thinking of getting one?

Time: 20th August 2009 9:29am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

My Jab starts to flower in October, the next round is in January, then April. Never set fruit in the first one perhaps too cold.

I "havested" one fruit last June from May flowering. I think they flower and set fruit more in warmer area.

I think mine is not fruiting well partly because of the cold and fruit embryos just drop.

It is a bit hard to bag to because fruits hug the trunks so you have to wrap the whole trunk and you could make the fruits drop too. It can be a hard game to me.

Any way, It is a beautiful tree with young red leaves.

White sapote tree is money well spent because mine also fruited in the first year and flowering a couple of times a year too.

Imagine the trees set fruits in Jun where the weather is freezing. BTW, they never go dormant.

Time: 20th August 2009 10:15am

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amanda says...
Thanks Jujube.. Can you net the Jabo' tree instead?
You know I really take my hat off to the Vietnamese people - they have the magic touch when it comes to growing :)

We have a lot of growers here in Geraldton...I especially search out their tomatoes - the only one's I will use in my sauces n soups! (I couldn't live without a good tomatoe!) But there is a family in town that has an exceptional orchard in the tiniest space!...I will post a pic when I get a chance as I think it's remarkable.

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

Yes you could net the tree but I have not done that because mine is quite a big tree for a jabo and only about 5 fruits in 5 diffrent trunks so it is very awkard to bag them.

I must admit that I have killed many trees with kindness then I sat down and worked out what did I do wrong?. The only lesson I have learnt so far is only grow what I can in my climate.

We, Vietnamese tend to collect something rare,unsual and challenge to grow but must be either sweet or tasty.

Please post the photos whenever you have time, not in the hurry. I am very interested. You are very lucky to live in that corner, nice, warm and clean air too.

Time: 20th August 2009 10:41am

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Ellen says...
After hearing 2 positive testimonies FOR the w.sapote . I just might, since I have 1 more spot in my garden for it .

Does the W.sapote self pollinate ? or do I have to get a another for cross pollination?

I wondered, does the taste of the green sapote fruit same as the w.sapote fruit ?

Or what is the g.sapote taste like ? Or comparison between the g/w sapote which one is superior in taste ?

Thank You Amanda, Nguyet for your feed back. Great info .



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Michael says...
I'm like Ellen and curious to know more about the Green Sapote. Not many discussions about this tree on this forum.Anyone growing this fruit tree and manage to have it bear fruit? I have a small Green Sapote tree in a pot that doesn't seem to have grown much in the last year.I hope this tree is suitable for growing in pots but would love to hear from the experts out there .

Time: 20th August 2009 1:03pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen and Michael,

White sapote can be self polinating depending on varities i.e. venon or ortego you only need one. Some need two trees. What is your variety?

I have never tasted the green sapote. I tasted mamey sapote and it tastes very sweet and looks very orange in colour just like cooked sweet potato. I like them very much. I think you will like them too.

Green sapote are almost identical on the inside to the mamey sapote and one website said the taste is the same the only different is green or brown skin.

I hope this helps.

PS: very good for making milk sake.

Both white or mamey sapote are very tasty but I think the white one gives you fruits quicker (???)

Time: 20th August 2009 2:11pm

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Ellen says...
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I don't have a w.sapote, but that will be on my wish list this XMas , :-)

I only have a g.sapote.

Time: 21st August 2009 12:49am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

Please remember that w.sapote is not suitable for container growing and grafted ortego variety or another variety which is a polinator (you only need one tree) is the way to go.

All the best.

Time: 21st August 2009 7:51am

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amanda says...
Lemon gold is self pollinating..?

Time: 21st August 2009 9:05am

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Mike says...
Hi Nguyet, do you have any white sapote seedlings for sale? I'm keen to grow one but my local nursery does not have it available. I'm also keen to grow a cherimoya (custard apple variety) when I can get one.

Mike

Time: 28th September 2009 10:10pm

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Hi Mike,

I used to have them every where in the garden so I pulled them out. I could grow one for you for free from seed from this year harvest but believe me I am having a seedling in the garden from one rotten fruit under the tree and it has been 6 long years and it is very spinny and no sign of flowers so I an not sure if it is worth it.

Time: 28th September 2009 10:26pm

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Thao says...
Hi Lucy,

Do you plant the lotus for the flower? Did you grow from seed or rhizome? How big is the pot for lotus? I want to grow lotus in pot for young shoot for cooking but don't know which pot is suitable.

Time: 28th September 2009 10:53pm

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Hi Thao,

I have lotus pond mainly for flowers. I grew from seed bought from the internet.

The minimum size is 50 litre pot or as you can see I grow them in a shallow tub that I bought in Asian shop for about $10 the biggest they have.

I know that young shoot salad is a real treat but with your purpose you have to find some thing as big as bath tub. Please remember that you havest all the shoots you may damage/kill the plant unless you have a huge pond where you only havest one corner.


Time: 29th September 2009 7:48am

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Ellen says...
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How old is your lotus plant ?

I too bought some seeds last year, and planted it in a small pot to start out with .
This year i've transplanted it into a 550mm pot, I noticed that it is coming around, but the leaves is still the same size as those from last year.
Do you put water fertilizer to feed them ?

Time: 29th September 2009 9:41am

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Ellen,

I have 4 of those in pond, medium pots. They are about 5 years old but notice they started produce flowers after 2 years.

It took me a long time to figure out how to make them to flower by accident.

I used aged cow manure but not any more. Mine used to have flowers every second or third year.

Last year, I removed 1/3 of the pond and one of the pots to give away to my cousin and those bits did not survive but the empty space from the pond or pot had flowers. I did give them potash nothing else.

I cleanned up the pond 3 years ago and found root bounded, the bottom bits was rotten so it could be the case that the plant had no room so in stead of flower buds to grow it got into the bottom and got rotten.

I am going to remove some again and give it some potash.

You can give yours a bit of blood and bone and some potash. Please donot give it too much phophate because I did that 2 years ago and it had grown too much, no flowers but big leaves, fill up the whole pond not much room for water. I had to top up water every day.

Time: 29th September 2009 10:21am

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Thao says...
Hi Lucy,

What kind of soil do you grow the lotus? Do you use potting mix?


Time: 30th September 2009 4:16pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Thao,

Nowaday, I use garden soil, I did use potting mix once and some of it was floating around so I had to use pebbles to weight it down. You could use garden soil then top up with a layer of sand to make the water nice and clear.

Time: 30th September 2009 8:52pm

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