Wampee problem (forum)

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Does anyone have experience with these fruit? Mine are just not happy and I don't know why... they receive sub surface retic/recycled water and the usual organic matter (plus some gypsum and trace elements) but they have just never looked as good as when I first planted them...
Is is too windy, dry, salty or cold for them here do u think? Do they look stunted? I have never seen another one growing - apart from my own and have nothing to compare it to. Would appreciate any help here.
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Time: 25th July 2010 12:31pm

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Diana says...
Hi Amanda,

Those don't look too bad considering that it's winter. I think wampees like humid subtropical conditions, being south-east Asian. They are also similar to citrus- they like a fair bit of nitrogen and iron, and tend to go yellowish in winter. They probably don't like dry, windy winter weather. Mine are shrubby and not very fast growing. I don't think yours are stunted. There are some well established and productive ones at Northey St city farm in Brisbane, they are also very shrubby but taller.

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Time: 25th July 2010 3:56pm

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amanda says...
Thanks Diana - is that yours? It looks good. Mine is probably starved then if it needs are similar to citrus!
They have been in the ground a year now and have grown about 0.5m.
I didn't realise they were meant to be shrubby - I have been removing the side shoots?

Time: 26th July 2010 9:54am

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Diana says...
Thanks Amanda, yes it is.

I just realized that there is a picture of a very healthy, full sized wampee at Northey St, with useful information in a Daleys newsletter too:
www.daleysfruit.com.au/newsletter/sept2004.htm>

They also say treat it like citrus.

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Time: 26th July 2010 9:33pm

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amanda says...
Thanks Diana - you are a gem! I will get mine back on track. :)

Time: 27th July 2010 12:49pm

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amanda says...
Hey Diana - u wouldn't credit it - but here is the new growth on my Wampees - only about 3 weeks after I pulled them up!! little sods...I don't think many of my fruit trees like it here :(

I just bagged them into 35L sacks with premium potting mix and I am giving them seasol - they under shade now....out of interest - they had a big fibrous ball of a root system - really interesting.
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Time: 30th September 2010 5:50pm

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Jason says...
You just proved they do like it there ( a lot), just not in the spot they were in :)

Time: 30th September 2010 6:01pm

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amanda says...
He he - good point Jason :) If could afford to cover my entire orchard with 50% shadecloth I reckon my troubles would be over!?

Time: 30th September 2010 6:11pm

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Jason says...
yep :) for all the rainforesty kind of plants anyway

Time: 30th September 2010 6:37pm

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Diana says...
Hi Amanda,

Those look great now. I hope you get some fruit too. Mine have started flowering for the first time during the last two weeks, they are two years old (actually almost everything is flowering- it's a very wet year here). Maybe the lower evaporation under shadecloth is helping yours too. Seasol seems like a good idea. Good luck with moving if you are still planning that.

I have just been visiting Perth for two weeks- gorgeous. I loved Kings Park.

all the best,

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Time: 4th October 2010 5:05pm

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amanda says...
Diana - let us know how yours go hey? there is very little info on them in the forum at present.
Are the bees in to the flowers, ants etc? all that stuff would be really interesting/worthwhile to document here.

Funny about the flowering - it's been ultra dry here - and I have had flowering madness!?? It was like snow on all my citrus.

Just when I think I have put my finger on the answers I realise that nature is far from predictable.

Time: 6th October 2010 2:12am

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BJ says...
Does anyone think a Wampee would grow as a mid-story shrub in a rainforest patch? I've been told the Native Wampees will, and am planting those, but I would like to try a proven fruiting variety in with the ho-hum native types...

Time: 6th October 2010 10:58am

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HappyEarth says...
Yeah they will grow slowly depending on the competition - but they need a lot of sun to fruit well.

Time: 6th October 2010 12:30pm

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j says...
My newly planted wampi's are doing well so far. The bugs seem to like the yeem pay better than guy sam. I'm wondering how "slow" is slow growing for a wampi in melbourne climate? .5 meter per year?


Time: 6th October 2010 4:19pm

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amanda says...
Just curious - but I was pruning my Wampee and the smell of the leaves reminded me a bit of my curry leaf bush/tree...are they related at all?

Time: 7th July 2011 3:15pm

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Dan says...
hi Amanda, wampee and curry plants are not related at all. i don't think you should prune your wampee as the fruits mainly come up from the tips of the branches

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jakfruit etiquette says...
I think the wampee and curry leaf tree are both Clausena spp, but the curry leaf bush is not related to either.

Time: 5th August 2011 7:44pm

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amanda says...
Too late Dan - it's been pruned! But - at the right time - pruning should be a good thing as it would then bush right out - with a lot more growing/fruiting tips?

Mine were in desperate need of a good hacking - they were tall n lanky. They are probably a couple of years from fruiting yet...? (around 2yrs old now..)

They do remind me of a curry leaf tree..maybe way back in the genetic tree somewhere lurks a common ancestor..

Time: 6th August 2011 12:37pm

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amanda says...
My Wampees have their very first flowers and I am pretty excited! :D They are 2yrs old, from when I purchased them(grafted) and in tree sacks in the shade house.

They had a pretty drastic pruning 2months ago...maybe they got a fright....!? ;-)

Time: 29th September 2011 3:30pm

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John Mc says...
Nothing's more uplifting than seeing a fruit tree budding up the very first time, especially when you've loved it for three four or five years. Yes, I'm proud to announce that I have a seedling Wampee comming into full flower bud as well for the first time. Whether it stays in the ground or not hinges on the very first taste of the very first fruit I try. Apparently, most seedling wampees are not as nice as the two grafted varieties available in Aus..

Time: 29th September 2011 4:15pm

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amanda says...
Nice one John Mc... :) Fingers crossed 4 u. My little lychee tree is smothered in flowers too - so I hopefully I get a taste of both of these this season.
The anticipation can be a killer sometimes hey? Growing teaches me patience :)

Time: 30th September 2011 9:15am

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John Mc says...
Here's some advice for free, patience sits at the top of our learning curve.

I might not be so drastic and cut the wampee tree down if the first fruit isn't up to expectations. At least I have a Guy Sam in bud at the same time to compare. The Yeem Pay is a bit slower, I think because it receives more shade than the others.



Time: 30th September 2011 11:43am

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MaryT says...
From memory the wampee can be described as a 'sweet and sour' fruit which is why it's not as popular as longan and lychees, but like the Nagami cumquat it's worth eating for its own distinctive taste. After all, "variety is the spice of life".

Time: 30th September 2011 3:25pm

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Mike says...
Wampees are a bit citrusy with some similarity to langsat with a distinctive flavour.There is some sourness and cinnamon overtones but they are worth it and you develop a taste for them.

Time: 30th September 2011 7:10pm

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amanda says...
Sweet n sour sounds good to me! Mine are Guy Sam too John Mc. I wonder how u get the longons that are the size of the canned ones in the Asian shops?? They are a product of Thailand and they are huge compared to the very small fresh fruits I see...?

Time: 1st October 2011 10:22am

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Mike says...
Most of the ones fresh here are the same size as the canned ones or fresh ones you see in Thailand.Kohala,biew kiew and chompoo are good sized but biew kiew tastes a bit richer.Sometimes the supermarkets and even markets have smaller scabby ones but that is not usual.
People don't tend to trumpet the virtues of wampees from the rooftops but they are alright.I reckon they are more worthwhile than brazil,barbodos and grumichama cherries or Panama berries.

Time: 1st October 2011 10:44am

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amanda says...
Oh that's good Mike - my longon is a Kohala. I only ever see little one's in the shops here - for me, they are not worth the hassel of peeling!?

I love my grumichama (if only they were bigger!) so I guess I should enjoy my wampee too then :)

Time: 2nd October 2011 12:40pm

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Mike says...
Longans are an excellent fruit,usually 20c piece size (same as kwai mai pink lychee) with same flesh yield as lychees. and trees are highly productive.
The tang of wampees appeals to those people who enjoy an acid/sugar balance in favour od acid.

Time: 2nd October 2011 5:49pm

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J says...
I have a tale of two wampees going on at the moment. I have two of them, one guy sam and the other yeem pay. Both did quite well during this winter which was quite cold. However right now, the Guy sam is nice and green and spouting new ground, while the Yeem pay is yellowing, dropping leaves with 1 branch showing signs of cold damage yet it seems to be sprouting new growth as well. Both have received the same amount fertiliser and are in similar positions on the garden. Not sure why the yeem pay is having such a bad time right now. Wanna give it some epsom salts because of the yellow leaves but I'm paranoid I've over fertilised it. Don't know why because the Guy sam is doing great with the same amount of fertz. Anyone have any thoughts on this peculiar situation?

Time: 3rd October 2011 1:50pm

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MaryT says...
We need photos J - leaves yellowing can mean so many things...

Time: 6th October 2011 4:48pm

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J says...
Sure! I'll put em up next week!

Time: 6th October 2011 5:51pm

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amanda says...
Hmnnn...my two Wampee seem very susceptible to scale and aphids - does anyone else have problems with theirs?

(ps - got some small fruit too! Hope they hang on. They are in the shade house also)


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MaryT says...
Not in Sydney Amanda; mine is growing well except it has not yet flowered. The only thing I get on them are tiny spiders which I just take off with a stick. Some leave got burnt one day when we had a heat wave but since I moved it under the jacaranda it's been fine. BTW I am appreciating the jacaranda more and more; its shade is a good nursery . If only I have more space in the sun...

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amanda says...
Hey MaryT - wish I could send u some of our sun :D It's frying here. Yea - mine is in the shade house..it's got a few fruit going - so I hope they hang on for a taste test!
Mine must be a bit unhappy for some reason - I'd better give them a health check.

Time: 1st December 2011 5:02pm

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MaryT says...
Someone said treat it like citrus (John Mc?) and I think it's good advice 'cause mine responded to that.

Time: 3rd December 2011 5:59am

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John Mc says...
Yes that's basically how I treat mine. Mulch I believe is up there together with well draining soil and a few complete potash based feeds a year, most importantly in Feb and August. My mulch is a mixture of sometimes clippings from the mower catcher, I have a hectare to mow, and I do it by hand, so there is plenty of that. If I see bales of spoilt lucerne hay going cheap I'll put that through my mulcher, comes out as a beautiful fine soft mulch almost ready to eat. Another mulch I use is well rotted chicken manure, I have a few cheap supplies close by. And of course sugar cane mulch, it's the most expensive for me so I don't use as much. There is worms galore.

One more thing, in flowering terms, my seedling Wampee is a month ahead of the Yeem Pay and the Yeem Pay is a few weeks ahead of the Guy Sam.
Did you find a good home for your Cherry tree Mary T?

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amanda says...
Thanks guys :) I've never grown fruit trees in pots b4 (sacks) I guess I am a bit nervous of burning them if they dry out at all....I'd better do some research perhaps.

All the different types are really happy except the Wampees - but maybe they need a bit more feeding than the more sensitive sub tropicals (as they are citrus-like)

I will try a little more B&B....(if I kill them - at least I can get more of them thru quarantine....so far! :)

Time: 3rd December 2011 11:43am

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MaryT says...
Wasn't me John Mc who was giving away the Cherry. Amanda my Wampee looks really tough and it's put on a lot of new growth since I took John's advice. Before that I was treating it like lychee (starved it lol).
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amanda says...
Hey that's great MaryT! That makes me feel much better as yours is in a pot too! (I have been doing the same thing! lol)

Time: 6th December 2011 7:26pm

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amanda says...
Dumb question - but I have never seen a wampee fruit b4...how do u know when they are ripe? Thanks :)
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BJ says...
Is that a Yeem Pay?
They should go Yellow when ripe. Other varieties go a browny gold colour when ripe.

Time: 23rd January 2012 1:26pm

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amanda says...
Guy Sam BJ...thanks! I nearly missed my 1st sapodilla..and this is all the wampees I have :)

Time: 23rd January 2012 1:39pm

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BJ says...
How was the Sapodilla? Mine all flowered profuseley but havent set any fruit as yet. No rush as they are no bigger than 2 foot tall :) I could eat them until my lips glue shut!

Time: 23rd January 2012 3:01pm

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amanda says...
:D It was really good BJ! I can only compare to supermarket though. I could develop an addiction - there is something really more-ish about them...

I am wondering if it's worth planting the seeds? It has only pollinated with itself...it surely can't end up too drastically different can it?

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amanda says...
Just ate my mere crop of Wampee....and I want more!? :) I really enjoyed them. They do taste a little citrus like, refreshing and tangy - but in a nice way (to me) but mine may have been a little underripe?

Hard to peel so I just popped out the flesh. The skin tastes bad. The texture soft and perhaps like a cross between lychee and a citrus.

That black dot is an odd seed I think..it was the only one out of 8 fruits.

Anyway - they are way, way better than my pitanga that's for sure! :D
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Time: 10th February 2012 10:45am

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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Amanda what cultivar was it? I planted a Yeem Pay and a Guy Sam a few months ago and have a small crop developing.

Time: 10th February 2012 11:15am

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j says...
Did it taste like grape at all amanda? & seconding phils question: What variety was it?

Time: 10th February 2012 12:01pm

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amanda says...
They are Guy Sam. As it's the first crop ever - I wasn't expecting too much - and I suspect a few more days on the tree would have been even better (but I won't be here for 4 days and didn't trust the mice!)

Grape like in texture - not in flavour (to me) more fragrant and citrus like. I could happily eat a big bag of them - the are quite moreish :)

Time: 10th February 2012 2:08pm

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Peter says...
Amanda,
I try to find out where I am standing with my wampee. If not to much trouble, could you get a ruler and measure how thick the trunk is on ground level?
Since your sapodilla fruited as well, could you do the same?
It might not be such a good indicator how ready a tree is to hold fruit, but interesting anyway.
Looking at your first picture of the wampi tree from your first post has it gained more height?

Time: 10th February 2012 4:11pm

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amanda says...
Hi Peter, the trunks are 3cm thick. The Wampee are nearly 2m tall, the sapodilla only about 1.3m. Yes - the Wampee have doubled their size since I dug them up, tree bagged them and put them in the shadehouse (that was winter 2010. They flowered this last spring 2011) They were heavily pruned in winter 2011 also
Hope this helps :)

Time: 13th February 2012 8:32pm

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Peter says...
Alright...Thanks Amanda.
The size of my sapodilla is comparable - I will hope for next year...

Time: 13th February 2012 8:35pm

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Mike says...
I have seen a 1.3m wampi with fruit and my krasuey had fruit at 1.0m.The other sapodillas I have dragged their backsides untilthey got almost 2m.One tree which has contributed soil humus levels reached 4m and never fruited at all before its demise.

Time: 14th February 2012 5:42pm

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BJ says...
My Yeem Pay fruited at
Time: 14th February 2012 8:58pm

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Mike says...
BJ That is also similar to my Prolific which at a pruned 3m flowers well and doesn't set fruit as well as my 2.2m sawo manila.My 2 prized,2.5m krasueys by contrast continually produce lots of good quality fruit.

Time: 14th February 2012 9:09pm

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Miranda says...
My Prolific has been flowering all year round for 6 six years, never set a fruit.

Time: 14th February 2012 9:54pm

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BJ says...
Luckily my prolific is duo planted with the sawo manila. Ideally this is to help with pollination, but if the prolific turns out to be a dud, I'll just chop that one out and let the sawo manila have free reign.

Time: 15th February 2012 8:59am

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dan says...
i got a wampee tree for more than 10 years.
on the second years he gave some fruits
but since than there isn't fruit any more.
the tree is quit tall but have some yellow leaves

how to improve his cultivation and have some friuts?

thanks dan
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Time: 9th June 2012 5:37pm

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Rob19 says...
Hi everyone,

I was just reading all of your posts with great interest and was wondering how people's plants/fruit progressed after another 2-4 years. Any further tips on growing or comments on flavour etc?

cheers

Rob

Time: 6th February 2015 11:44am

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srt says...
Wampee belongs to the Rutacae family as do citrus. I imagine some of the problems besetting citrus apply to Wampee. I give them plenty of fertiliser ,including dilute urine as a foliar spray (cover your ears Emily) and only problem so far was a loss of a plant through collar rot. Stink bugs also.

Time: 6th February 2015 11:52am

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salsify says...
I have some quite decent fruit set this year and have found that a big increase in the watering and feeding has made the difference.
My two Guy Sams have been dug up and relocated about three times now - and are finally settled. I will be interested to see how they improve over the next 2years.
I had heaps of flowers this season, they lasted for ages and the bees worked them to death. I was a little disappointed at how many set fruit - I thought there would be more as everything was perfect.
I am wondering if I should get another variety, like a Yeem Pay - to improve cross pollination...

I am 150km south of Perth (warm temperate) and we get the occasional light dusting of frost. The plants have done better here than in their last home - 450km north of Perth (semi arid)

(too dark for the fruit pic - but here's the flowering instead)

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Time: 6th February 2015 11:14pm

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