yellow sapote (forum)

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hi! does anyone know anything about the yellow sapote? i have a white and a black one and want to know if it is worth getting the yellow one? also how big does the fruit get on all of them?

Time: 28th April 2013 8:24pm

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Mike says...
peetah there are many types of canitel which are often referred to a yellow sapote.Ross sapote,lucuma and tataruba could also be called yellow sapote.
Good ones are moist and bad one are dry in the flesh.Bad ones taste like mealy sweet potato and boiled egg.Good ones have fruity flavors,a hint of caramel and a little sweet potato taste.They are worthwhile.
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Time: 28th April 2013 9:04pm

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VF says...
Aah Mike, you've got me salivating again with those pic's. A good Canistel is one of my favourite fruits. I can hardly wait for the season to start for them down this way . Your description of a good one hits the nail on the head. Yummo!

Time: 28th April 2013 9:20pm

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Mike says...
I do prefer a good ross apote but ome canitel are good VF.
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Time: 28th April 2013 9:53pm

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Mike says...
I do prefer a good ross sapote but some canistels are good VF.
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Time: 28th April 2013 9:56pm

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Mike says...
Canistels typically have this shape.
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Time: 28th April 2013 10:00pm

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John Mc says...
The Ross sapote I bought off eBay three years ago is doing well here. Over 2m and very healthy. I can only hope the seller was honest and knew what he was selling, let alone being a good one, talk about a long shot..
A seedling Canistel I bought about the same time has been flowering for the past two years but no fruit set.
One of the grafted cv's, an Aurea has set two fruits, they're the size of a grape, don't know how long they will hang on for or how long they will take to ripen, first year.


Time: 28th April 2013 10:49pm

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VF says...
Hmmm, I should try get my hands on another Ross - some sort of sap-sucking bugs killed off my young tree in the prolonged dry we had before the rains.

How old is your Aurea John? You must be pleased seeing you're first crop.

Time: 29th April 2013 7:05am

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John Mc says...
well....it's only 2 fruit VF, as exciting as it is, I'm reserving my elation till the day they're picked. Is it producing the fruit out of season? Should I be removing the fruit? My 4yo seedling is producing flowers right now.
The Aurea was an outstandingly multi branched structured tree right out of the box. I've only had it 2 years, and it's in a 25lit growbag.


Time: 29th April 2013 7:53am

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VF says...
My trees are a little younger than yours, so I'm interested to see if others have advise. I'm guessing the fruit is growing at the right time, as TFW starts selling them about August. Good luck with your fruit. My Fuyu Persimmon had only 2 fruit last year, this year ~35, so hope it bodes well for next year for you.

Time: 29th April 2013 9:32am

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amanda says...
What are the botanical name/s of the Ross sapote and the canistel and lucumo? Are they all from the same family? This is on my fruit hit-list - but can anyone recommend which one (or two) I should be looking for in particular please?
I am confused with all the names :-O

Gorgeous looking fruit there Mike - lucky u! (again! hehe..)
(ps - got a fair few fruits on my B17 starfruit on their way - first ones...looking forward to seeing how they taste! :)

Time: 29th April 2013 10:42am

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gardenererer says...
The term yellow sapote gets tossed around a lot.; apparently a lot of white sapote cultivars have yellow genes mixed in. True yellow sapote probably should be reserved for Casimiroas and leave canistels and Ross sapote out of it.

Time: 29th April 2013 2:39pm

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Linton says...
Canistel, Lucumo, and Ross Sapote are all Pouteria species to my knowledge and I have a few different varieties.

I read from one grower that even if you don't usually like the taste of other Pouterias, you will definitely like Ross Sapote.

So I got some Ross Sapotes sent from Paradise Distributors last year. Their prices and postage is reasonable and I'm happy with the plants. Cheers!

http://www.paraplants.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&category_id=19&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&manufacturer_id=1&page=shop.product_details&product_id=466&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1

Time: 29th April 2013 5:29pm

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Mike says...
Sapote is a state of mind rather than a taxonomic classification and can mean matasia and many other fruits from many latin american families.It is best shouted while gringoes are doing the samba or chacha.
Yellow sapotes are not just any Pouterias like abius,mammeys,or starapples but a special group and specifically canistel, Pouteria campechiana.Is Ross Sapote the same species?I am sure taxonomists have had sleepless nights agonising over this and most are 'overwrought with ambivalence' but probably no.White sapotes are not called yellow sapote in any country regardless of fruit characteristics.The name white sapote is carved in stone and very stable.

Time: 29th April 2013 5:47pm

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gardenererer says...
Sapote is a corruption of zapote which I think means 'soft' in a native South American language. Casimiroa tetrameria is commonly referred to as yellow sapote or woolly -leafed sapote . Aptly named as it it is yellow and soft.
Glowinski claims that the better white sapotes have yellow sapote genes mixed in.
So in everyday parlance a sapote is something soft ,round and tropical.

Time: 29th April 2013 6:10pm

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Mike says...
I should burn my Glowinki book.Tzapotl is the aztec term for soft sweet fruit.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sapote_ars.html
Sapodilla is frequently called sapota.
http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/whitesapote.html
While C.tetrameria is called yellow sapote in a couple of references the name is not in practical use anywhere for this species.

Time: 29th April 2013 6:30pm

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VF says...
Gardenerer, just google "yellow sapote", and see what crops up if you don't believe Mike.

Amanda, Jantina has a special interest in Lucumo. Quiz her when she re-appears.

Time: 29th April 2013 8:22pm

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BJ says...
C. Tetrameria is the wooly sapote in most references. Canistels are the yellow sapote, and Ross is either a variety or close relative.

John Mc, the Ross was likely from the 'Ross Younghan' tree in the BBG here. They are good, and a favorite of the bats, who hammer the tree but leave the Aureas a few meters away. I think the heritage of the 'Ross Younghan' is via Seymour Younghans, a cohort of Whitman and founder of RFC Miami who must have made this selection. They can look like donut peaches, far flatter than the types I've seen mike post previously.

Time: 29th April 2013 10:20pm

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David says...
Bj you are on the money in the description.Hi bye the way.

Time: 29th April 2013 10:27pm

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amanda says...
What a chuckle with my morning coffee...I am even more confused now....hehe..?! :o) U guys are funny.
Anyway - sounds like Ross sapote is a goer at least Linton, thanks :)
I'll be sure to check with Jantina about the others...I am getting closer to her climate now...


Time: 30th April 2013 9:28am

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Linton says...
Ross Sapote

Forgot to mention that Paradise Distributors in Nambour are one of the few online nurseries that send plants to WA and Tas.

However there is an extra charge for the quarantine paperwork of course.

Time: 30th April 2013 11:38am

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