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Jantina starts with ... Hi Anonymous,my research indicates that you need two trees althougth it says that occasionally you do get a self fertile tree it,s rare.Do you mind telling me where you got your tree? I have got one and would love to buy some more.I have seen them in Japan for about 15 dollars australian.It,s enough to make you gnash your teeth.Jantina | About the Author 13th October 2008 12:44pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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lynne says... Jantina I got mine from a gentleman at Louis Glowinski's open garden last year (he would rather his details not be made available on the internet...). I remember there was a tree (American pawpaw) in Louis Glowinski's garden that was fruiting. I thought he only had one tree. If anyone else knows whether Louis Glowinski has one American pawpaw tree or two, please let me know. Thanks Lynne | About the Author lynne melb 13th October 2008 7:39pm #UserID: 210 Posts: 56 View All lynne's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... HI Anonymous and Lynne and any other american pawpaw fans, I have found a web site that answers all our pawpaw questions and more. Maybe I will try some seed.Jantina Whoops nearly signed off without giving you the website. www.holoweb.com/cannon/pawpawor.htm | About the Author 14th October 2008 10:49am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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lynne says... Thank you Jantina - that's a good site. There's a person near Daylesford in Victoria who will have several seedlings available next Feb/March. He's happy for me to give his contact number off line so if you are interested and can make it to Daylesford, please send me an email cclynne@gmail.com | About the Author lynne melb 16th October 2008 9:05pm #UserID: 210 Posts: 56 View All lynne's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hi Lynne,sounds good to me,I am in Japan at the moment and cannot send emails from my email address on this computer due to the pitfalls of computer illiteracy on my part.Here is my address jantinarohde@activ8.net.au ,the at bit looks strange on this Japanese keyboard.I have ordered 10 seeds from that website,and am considering joining the Pawpaw Society.Have you ever tasted a pawpaw? I had one from the pawpaw Louis has in his book and it was totally delicious. Cannot understand why its not more widely grown.The other tree I,m chasing is another jujube or chinese date, also delicious and great self sufficiency food.We will be back in Aus. in a few days and will email you then.Thankyou, Jantina. | About the Author 17th October 2008 10:02am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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fruitist says... I have a few PawPaw seedlings and 1 Chinese Jujube (late Rick Deerings cultivar). Pawpaws are protogynous, that is the stigma (female part) ripens before the anthers (pollen-bearing) and is self-incompatible. Therefore, two trees are required in order for fruit to be produced. The natural pollinators (flies and beetles) are not particularly efficient, and hand-held pollination with a paint brush is important for good fruit set. Some people have reported self-fruitfulness though but yields are always better with a companion tree even if the tree is self fruitful. There are 7 cultivars of PawPaw. In terms of taste, here are the notes: Shenandoah: Extremely sweet and strongly flavored. Shenandoah has these characteristics and very enjoyable to eat (it is something like 26 brix). Susquehana: Not as sweet as Shenandoah (still a very sweet fruit though) almost as strongly flavoured (but a bit milder). Very enjoyable. Taytwo: the least sweet and flavored of the bunch. Still very enjoyable it is a more subtile fruit than the above two (mind you it is only subtile in comparison- it still has a lot of flavor and sweetness for some random fruit). Closest in flavor to the good wild pawpaws I've had. Overleese: basically a sweeter version of Taytwo with slightly more flavor. 1-7-1: advanced selection. 2-9: Pa Golden: | About the Author 17th October 2008 5:00pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil says... I managed to get some seed sent from the US of Shenandoah, Susquehana, Allegheny and Pa Golden ( I think that is short for Pennsylvania Golden ) and have some vigorous two year old seedlings. I imagine it will be some time before I can report on their various merits! I would encourage people to look at importing seed to make the better varieties more available, as they are ok to bring in as long as they are properly labelled (Customs requirement). Always check the AQIS search engine first - it will tell you which species are permitted into the country. | About the Author 17th October 2008 10:02pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hi fruitist and Phil,thanks for the explanation of brix,I only have two and a half more days in Japan and my Japanese is almost none existent however us fruit fiends are up for almost any fruit related challenge so I will give it my best shot about the loquat and will post results.Phil your report is very encouraging.I have sent away for some seed but my understanding is that it,s not seed from any particular variety.Would you be able to give me the site you got your seeds from please.Thankyou Jantina P.S.which state are you growing your pawpaws in Phil? | About the Author 17th October 2008 11:15pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil says... Jantina, I originally got mine from a fellow in North Carolina who in turn got them as a one off from a research farm somewhere in the US. I originally met him on the Cloudforest Cafe forum, might be worth checking out and leaving a msg there, most of the users are americans. I have mine growing in Central Vic, cold winters and hot summers. | About the Author 18th October 2008 4:04pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Thanks Phil,one more request, I have read some talk of having to stratify stored seed with both heat and cold in order to germinate them not to mention that they need certain symbiotic soil organisms? fungi? to grow well.Could you please detail exactly what you did ?I will leave a message on Cloudforest Cafe as you suggest.Thanks, Jantina | About the Author 18th October 2008 5:05pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil says... Yes I did plant my seeds in seed raising mix and then put them in the vegetable crisper for about three months. I managed 100% germination but they didn't appear above ground until around December or so. Try and time it so you get the seeds in our autumn and then take them out of the fridge in July or August. Best not to keep too damp when in the fridge, if you use a good quality mix ( I use Debco or Grow Better), just use the mix as is and don't add extra water as they can rot. Also, use a reasonably deep pot as the seeds are large and develop a long root system in their first season. | About the Author 19th October 2008 9:33am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Thanks fruitist,Think I know what you mean even if I,ve never heard two of those words before.When you say only a few seedlings left now does that mean the others died or you gave them away?Do you have any to sell?Can you tell me where you got your seeds?Are they from named varieties?What state do you live in? I,ve been talking on this thread while in Japan as you know but live in S.A. near Mt. Gambier.Still working on the loquat info. | About the Author 19th October 2008 3:45pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Anonymous says... Hi Jantina, Most of my PP seedlings died through lack of care. I did give a few away. I got the seeds from USA from a researcher on the fruit. I live in Brisbane. He is not in contact anymore. Seedless Loquat is a brand new cultivar. The fruits may not be available in retail shops. Heard of it from a Japan based American 2 years ago. You have to ring up the Japan Agricultural Dept. to find the source. Keep up your collection. Remind me of my enthusiasm many years ago. | About the Author 20th October 2008 8:38am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... HI Jason, I,m definitely contacting Louis Glowinski when I get back,if I,m really lucky he might be having another open day.Fruitist,I have some Japanese people trying to check out the seedless loquat.Trouble is the older people who do the gardening don,t speak english and the younger ones who do are not interested in gardening.Thanks for your encouragement.The plane awaits. | About the Author 20th October 2008 10:23am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hey fruitist, you are of course right but I am a computer dud and do not seem to be able to get this computer to do anything but a comma.Feel free to enlighten me!We got back home late last night, boy have things exploded out of the ground, some young fruit trees have grown 8 inches in those 3 weeks and established (4 y.o.)trees are mostly loaded.Pity there are so many slips twixt the tree and the lips! | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 22nd October 2008 4:33pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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clean phil says... I obtained my Asimina triloba seed from Blossom's Nursery in Kentucky. Mr Blossom (yes, that's his name) emphasised that for successful germination the seed must never dry out and he ,duly ,sent them in spag. moss. I can recommend him as a source of seed and I now have 8 plants ready to plant out ,albeit after 4 years of slow growth.He also has a v. informative web site to peruse. | About the Author springwood 23rd October 2008 1:49pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter says... no i havent got any myself but if you go to www.yaminarareplants.com.au and click on eddibales you will see them in the list. | About the Author peter30001 adelaide 25th October 2008 8:11pm #UserID: 593 Posts: 293 View All peter30001's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Laura Mckay says... Asminas are quite easy to grow and will fruit quite well in cooler areas. I have four, all seed raised from the same tree. They seem to pollinate each other well. Young plants can be bought from Tamsal Trees, Ph 02 6070808, email : treetubes@yahoo.com.au. Mattew & Joy Corr have several unusual fruit trees such as Hovenias, Pecan etc. | About the Author Laura2 Mt Macedon, Vic 25th October 2008 10:41pm #UserID: 764 Posts: 32 View All Laura2's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Julie says... I grew mine from seed bought from Phoenix Seeds, in Tasmania, but they don't seem to be available any more. I only have one, which fruits well. The trouble is, it fruits all at once, and doesn't keep well, so you end up looking for people to give them to! I'm not that keen on the flavour - mine has a slight bitterness. Maybe a better variety would taste better. I am in WA, in the hills - we have very cold nights in winter and hot summers. Next time it fruits I will let you know - I could send seeds to anyone who wants them, if you could pay postage. The seeds are quite large and heavy. | About the Author Julie Roleystone 28th October 2008 8:38pm #UserID: 154 Posts: 1842 View All Julie's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Thats the thing with seed grown, the fruit quality can be quite variable, the one I tasted was delicious.Julie do you remember how long it took to fruit from seed? Peter, thanks for the info, I did get a small seedling (expensive) from there but it died not long after planting in spite of tlc so I am reluctant to go that route again. Laura,thankyou for the Tamsal Trees info I will check it out. | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 29th October 2008 10:40pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Another good pawpaw website www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/ most informative.I finally have some seeds on the way from America. Jantina | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 7th November 2008 7:53am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Yes Phil I would very much like to get some seeds from him. I would eventually like to have good selections available to the Oz public at reasonable prices because I believe this fruit could be so good in southern Australia and currently all I can find is one grafted one(with excellent flavour)at a very high price and unnamed seedlings on which you have to take your chances.Jantina | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 7th November 2008 8:48am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... James,did you give the pawpaws shade?Apparently it is essential when they are young.I would be keen to buy some quandong seed from you.Tried mango but lost it, during the drought we had some nasty frosts that we do not usually get.I had only seen quandong grown with kikuyu grass before, and since I hate that stuff it put me off having a go but today I saw some growing with an easter daisy and now you say it also grows with wheat,I like that much better. | About the Author 14th November 2008 10:10pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Hello Bass, nice to see you on this forum.I did have the seeds in the fridge, but then planted them as per instructions from Phil who said he has 100% success with his seeds (pawpaw seed that he imports). He said I won't see anything until spring this year. Sorry to have been so slack in getting back to you with an update, life gets so very busy. How are your figs going ? my sister in England (Somerset) said it was 14 below freezing when we spoke a few days ago, while we have been sweltering in 30c and my main worry is keeping things from drying out too much. I haven't forgotten about sending some property pictures , it will happen eventually. Cheers Jantina | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 19th January 2009 9:35pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Bass says... Jantina, No worries, take your time. I envy you right now. The temperatures in Pennsylvania dropped to about -20 C the other day. But I still manage to grow all these lovely fruit trees. Figs in particular need to be wrapped and planted against a wall for added protection. Consider yourselves lucky. | About the Author Bass usa 23rd January 2009 2:24am #UserID: 1873 Posts: 5 View All Bass's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil. says... Have had another great success in germinating seeds from named varieties of Asimina triloba. Strangely they have appeared above ground as autumn begins, wasn't expecting them until after the winter chill period, Oct/Nov. Have recently moved to the Byron Bay/Murwillumbah area and took the seeds with me - maybe this climate suits them. In the mountains behind Byron Bay there are still a certain amount of chill hours in winter so here's hoping they'll eventually fruit. Parent plants are Pa Golden, Shennendoah, Susquehana and Alegheny - two year old seedlings will go into the ground this spring. I would encourage those interested to import seed as they are permitted if AQIS knows about them and you can even get them cheap on e-bay. | About the Author Tyalgum Creek 17th March 2009 8:30pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Another 5 have come up Phil! A couple of the first ones got a bit scorched as the pots were in our nursery area in the sun, but I think they will be ok. I'm checking every day now and as they come up I'm putting them under the bench where they get filtered sun. So pleased to hear that you are happy with your move, are you going to make a food forest there ? Cherimoyas should do well there shouldn't they ? I'd be wearing a track to Daleys! | About the Author Jantina Mt. Gambier S.A. 19th March 2009 4:46pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil. says... Yes picked the one and only mango on a tree growing on the property the day I arrived. The tree is only about four ft (that's about 1.2m for RolFlor a) tall. So much tropical fruit on roadside stalls and markets you almost don't need to grow your own. White sapote trees have really taken off here, I dug them up after almost no growth in the six or seven years they'd been in the ground in Victoria and brought them with me - each plant is covered in healthy new shoots. Yes keep your pawpaw seedlings in the shade until their third year, after thatthey do better in the sun. Careful of snails and slugs as they can chew off the first shoot to emerge. | About the Author Tyalgum Creek 19th March 2009 4:57pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Iogikuma says... In November 2008 Jantina said: "all I can find is one grafted one(with excellent flavour) at a very high price" Jantina, would you mind advising who has those grafted American Pawpaw plants? At least with a grafted plant it will be true to type, will bear fruit more quickly and will have overcome the problems it would face growing from seed. IMHO that is worth paying extra for. Daniel | About the Author Daniuel Sydney 7th November 2009 2:45pm #UserID: 406 Posts: 12 View All Daniuel's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Hi Michael (Bangalow) - sorry didn't notice your post until this week, all my seeds are now seedlings. They came from a research station in the US, parent plants are Shenandoah, Susquehanna, Pa Golden and Aleghenny. Their various attributes and photos can be seen on petersonpawpaws.com. They seem to be thriving in my climate, but will need around 400 hours of winter chill. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 10th November 2009 9:39pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I have a friend in North Carlolina who managed to get some seed before the research centre stopped supply to the general public. I have seen seed for sale on ebay a number of times ( search for paw paw or Asimina ) - you may even see better varieties available. Don't forget to ask the supplier to label your package with the species name so that it gets through customs here. I nearly lost the lot as they were labelled Shennandoah, Susquehanna etc, and had to explain to the Dept that they were merely named varieties of the same species. There are a few nurseries in Victoria that sell seedlings but they are easy to germinate if you import your own seed.
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Phil@Tyalgum says... ok - I imagine there are different varieties around but check out the images on this website www.petersonpawpaws.com there are some photos of the fruit, flowers and trees which may be of some help | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 23rd November 2009 9:44pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Julie says... Well, this is very confusing. I had a look at the link - no relation to mine at all. All have yellow flesh, mine is creamy. All have brown or black seeds, mine are white. Yet I bought the seed from Phoenix Seeds as Asimina triloba. A mistake? To distinguish it from what we know as pawpaw, it is 'papaw'. The correct name for pawpaw is papaya. | About the Author Roleystone WA 24th November 2009 3:45pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Virginny says... Glowinski says in his book that there is an Asimina growing wild around Melbourne ,covered in fruit;that seems at odds with his belief that cross- pollination is important. I have Asimina growing and sad things they are ,attacked by scale ,snails ,insects . Too much sun and they wilt ,too little and they get mildew. Not a forgiving plant;after 5 years my best plant is 1 metre tall. | About the Author sydney 10th February 2010 12:23pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I'm surprised at how well my two year old plants are doing here in the subtropics. I've kept them in light shade, will probably plant out next spring. Like you, Viginny, I found direct sun fried them so will put this lot under some deciduous trees. Hoping the chill factor in the mountains up here is enough to get them to fruit. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 10th February 2010 4:57pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Have planted out some of my Asimina seedlings as the ground here is nice and damp - contrary to Glowinski's advice, the U.S. Peterson paw paw site suggests container grown plants can be planted out at virtually any time during the growing season. Spring up here is too dry and hot, the few I tried last year have suffered majorly in direct sun. Will persist with dappled shade as understorey plants. This constant rain will hopefully get them to power away before they become dormant. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 6th March 2010 9:48am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... Does anyone know what variety of American Paw paw Lous Glowinksi has growing in his garden? I'm curious because I've bought some grafted plants whose original cuttings came from glowinskis tree, and I'm curious to find out what actual variety it is. The seller didn't know the original name. | About the Author J 6th March 2010 1:54pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I have a feeling judging by his book that it is the offspring of the plant in the Dandenongs - being so hard to come by he writes with some familiarity about that plant and his own tree in Caulfield is a mature or at least a well established specimen. The parent tree may well belong to the owners of Yamina rare plants as they have been offering seedlings in their catalogue for some year.
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I remember you mentioning them. Mine have done well and are almost ready to plant out. With your paw paw seedlings make sure they don't go dormant too early, maybe in southern australia it would be best to wait for bud burst in spring and the soil is damp so that they get a good head start. Up here the summer/autumn is wet, a good time to get stuff into the ground. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 8th March 2010 11:21am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... Hey phil, my plants are from the Yamina Rare plants people! They advised me ones a pennsylvania Gold and the other two I got is the variety which louis Glowinksi has in his backyard. They couldn't remember the actual name of the variety and thats why I'm asking here, so I can find out more about it! | About the Author J 8th March 2010 11:44am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hmmmm, very interesting thread. Thanks for all the info fellow fruities, I've just found another favourite plant to collect. I'm tempted to get some seed from the US via E-bay. No sellers specify from which var the seeds were collected. Cheap enough though. Any recomendations as to which US seller to contact? It appears Yamina rare plants might be the way to go. They have a minimum $200 order + freight(200mm pots)all named varieties. I see Yamina rare plants will be on site at a plant collectors site next month, only about 150k from my place. I might be able to arange something with them, might be worth a phone call. | About the Author John Mc1 Warnervale NSW 10th March 2010 9:31pm #UserID: 3373 Posts: 72 View All John Mc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Sorry if someone already mentioned it before, but can anyone tell me the chill requirements for the Pawpaw? I've read that it grows in the US to Florida, and wouldn't mind trying to add it to my little collection of other 'custard apples'. Though I'm unsure if Brisbane will kill it, or render it an ornamental. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 10th March 2010 9:40pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... They need around 400 hours of chill. Have a look at the cultural advice page of Peterson paw paws www.petersonpawpaws.com some mouth watering pics as well. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 10th March 2010 9:53pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... Thanks. Unless I can find a decent southern variety it looks like a no-go. Though we get a bit under 400hrs, all of the good ones seem to be from WV, Ohio and Kentucky - US zones 5-7. Brisbane is as a 10-11. Lovely tree though, and I guess finding a good low-chill variety will have to be a long term project. Something encouraging from the Petersen site though: 'In the future a method will be secured for the sale of trees internationally.' | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 10th March 2010 10:26pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Anyway, Just ordered 15 wild seeds from a guy in Somerville, NJ. This guy here: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310202073750&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT under $20 delivered | About the Author John Mc1 Warnervale NSW 10th March 2010 10:49pm #UserID: 3373 Posts: 72 View All John Mc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BJ says... A link from the Peterson site noted that Kentucky Forrestry was selling seedlings from seed from KYUniversity trialled plants, but the link seemed dead. If you wanted to try and get some seeds from a decent variety, it might be worthwhile giving them an email or something? http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/default.htm | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 10th March 2010 10:58pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Why thank you for the offer Jantina, Yes I've been very serious about my garden for years. I've never participated in the forum, just read and read and read. I've since found it's quite enjoyable interacting with fellow fruities like youself and sharing things I've accomplished over the years as well. It's all good fun. Anyway, I'm a bit concerned about the low chill hours to break dormancy in the American pawpaw. Ideally, I need a variety that comes from the south of the USA. Apparently they need less chill hours. I bought 15 seeds collected from the wild from a guy in NJ, near New York. Might be a mistake, but what the hell, they're on their way now. If they all germinate I'll be giving at least 10 away. Like my Cacao trees, from the exact opposite climate, I've got too many (10) and they're all getting a bit too big to post anywhere now. They will live their entire life in my heated hothouse.
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Phil@Tyalgum says... John with your pawpaw seeds, good idea to give them a month or so in the vegie crisper, best in some damp seed raising mix straight out of the bag. They don't usually germinate until spring in cooler climates, however I found up here that mine appeared above ground late autumn and just kept growing. Hope they do well for you. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 12th March 2010 6:00pm #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... I m thinking of buying 6 so called superior germinated seeds from this mob : http://www.blossomnursery.com/pawpaw_order_form.htm They re in the US. Something like $46 delivered. Any input from anyone before I go ahead and order? | About the Author JohnMc1 15th March 2010 10:26pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... Hey John, might be a good idea to just check with AQIS first. Although I have brought in dry, clean paw paw seeds with no probs, germinated seeds may cause a few quaratine issues. There is a very helpful fellow at AQIS who I usually contact if I have anything a bit "iffy". Joel.Freeman@affa.gov.au He usually is able to point me in the right direction. I once had a consignment of annona seeds confiscated as I hadn't read the import conditions properly. Plus I had to pay to have them incinerated! The search engine at aqis.gov.au is also a good starting point before you commit to buy anything. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 16th March 2010 11:50am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Very happy. My 15 "selected wild" American Paw paw seeds arived this morning from the US. Nice and quick. Now, many questions if I may: do I pot them up into the deepest pot I can find like the 6 lit grow bags we buy fruit trees in? Do I put the grow bag and all in the crisper section in the frig untill you see comming up? or do I only leave the grow bags in the fridge for 6 weeks and then remove them? If I've got this all wrong and back to front, can anyone, please, advise on the best method for germination. | About the Author John Mc1 Warnervale NSW 18th March 2010 2:05pm #UserID: 3373 Posts: 72 View All John Mc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... I found that a month or so in the fridge in the pot you are going to germinate them in then put into an outdoor area for the winter worked well for me. A six or eight in pot for the lot is fine for the first year. In cooler climates you will see germination around Oct/Nov, however here in the subtropics mine came up a few weeks after taking them out of the crisper in April/May. I guess your climate is somewhere in between! Their roots aren't as fragile as we're led to believe, they seem to transplant into larger pots ok in their second season. In Victoria I used to wait until budburst but Peterson says anytime in the growing season is ok. I used supertubes to pot them individually and have since put them into the ground. I think the seeds are more likely to rot if you use grow bags to start off with, try a deepish six or eight inch pot with the best quality (moist) seedraising mix you can afford. Debco is a good standby. Good luck, don't keep them too wet, just use the mix straight out of the bag and cover with a plastic bag or glad wrap as the fridge can be a very drying environment.
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BJ says... This from KYSU might help: Pawpaw seed is slow to germinate, but it is not difficult to grow seedlings if certain procedures are followed. Do not allow the seed to freeze or dry out, because this can destroy the immature, dormant embryo. If seeds are dried for 3 days at room temperature, the germination percentage can drop to less than 20%. To break dormancy, the seed must receive a period of cold, moist stratification for 70-100 days. This may be accomplished by sowing the seed late in the fall and letting it overwinter; the seed will germinate the following year in late July to late August. Another way is to stratify the seed in the refrigerator (32o- 40o F/0o- 4o C). In this case the cleaned seed should be stored in a plastic ziplock bag with a little moist sphagnum moss to keep the seed moist and suppress fungal and bacterial growth. After stratification the seed should be sown 1 inch (2.5 cm) deep in a well-aerated soil mix, pH 5.5-7, with an optimum temperature of 75o- 85oF (24o- 29o C). Use tall containers, such as tree pots (ht. 14"-18"/35-45 cm) or root trainers (ht. 10"/25 cm), to accommodate the long taproot. The seed will normally germinate in 2-3 weeks, and the shoot will emerge in about 2 months. Germination is hypogeal: the shoot emerges without any cotyledons. For the first two years, growth is slow as the root system establishes itself, but thereafter it accelerates. Trees normally begin to bear fruit when the saplings reach 6 feet, which usually requires five to eight years. | About the Author Theposterformerlyknownas Brisbane 18th March 2010 2:28pm #UserID: 3270 Posts: 1552 View All Theposterformerlyknownas's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... So it looks like cold stratification for a month seems to work for Phil and up to 100 days won't do them any harm. I might go 1/2 way and refridge them for about 6 to 7 weeks should be safe. I have plenty, I'll do 6 in 6 weeks and 6 in 8 weeks and 3 in 12 weeks.. It appears that as long as they are kept damp I shouldn't have any problems. I like the idea of keeping them damp wrapped up in some Sphagmun moss. I can keep a much closer eye on them. These seeds came wrapped in what looks like a damp soiless mix. The guy I bought them off respects the fact that they lose viability very quickly when allowed to dry. Thank you for all the info Phil and BJ, very much appreciated. | About the Author John Mc1 Warnervale NSW 18th March 2010 4:42pm #UserID: 3373 Posts: 72 View All John Mc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Mick says... Just ate a very yellow asimina and ate a couple of white ones the other day.There are a few varieties in Aust, imported probably 35 years ago by a fellow in the hills,mentioned in Gloinskis book at the rear.The picture therein taken at this mans place.I think my variety is Taylor with taytwo grafted on the side.Apparently the flowers are attractive to blowflies and beetles which pollinate them.Hand pollination was suggested to me as custard apples are.A lone seedling had 12 white fruits this year without my intervevtion,had 5 last year after 15 or so years from seed.Louis Trapp in Aukland N.Z.sent me seed .My erratic onlining I hope will not annoy. Good luck .don't want to part with material yet if I may preempt inquiery | About the Author Mick7 adelaide hills 25th March 2010 9:54pm #UserID: 3376 Posts: 3 View All Mick7's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Iogikuma says... CHANCE TO BUY ASIMINIAS AT THE BILPIN COLLECTORS PLANT FAIR! The 6th Collectors' Plant Fair will be held on 17 & 18 April, 2010 9am to 4pm Saturday and 9am to 3pm Sunday at Woodgreen, 27 Powells Road, Bilpin NSW I believe that Yamina Rare Plants will be at the fair. Last time I inquired they had grafted and seedling Asimina trees of what they referred to as the Pennsylvanium form. If you live in Sydney, it would be a good chance to purchase Asiminas from Yamina, as they could be picked up at the fair. Normally Yamina has a minimum order value of over $200 plus freight. It's a good chance to save on freight and minimum order size. This might also be an opportunity for Asimina forum people to put in a combined order and ask for a bulk discount as well as getting free delivery to Bilpin, and one or more dedicated forum people could go out and collect them for later distribution. Yamina's contact details are Tel (03) 9756 6335, email info@yaminarareplants.com.au Keep in mind that in my experience the guy at Yamina who deals with Asiminas tends to be vague about exactly what plants he has in stock unless you convince him that there is a very good chance of getting a firm order for bothering to walk outside and actually check what plants he has! Best of luck, Daniel | About the Author Daniuel 10th April 2010 10:58am #UserID: 406 Posts: 12 View All Daniuel's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Iogikuma says... For those who are interested in obtaining a copy of Glowinski's book, I thought I'd pass on the latest from Glowinski's publisher (Hachette). I just spoke to them on the phone and Glowinski's book "The Complete Book of Fruit Growing in Australia" has been reprinted and should be available again from the end of April 2010. The woman I spoke to said it is probably the December 2008 edition (fully revised from the early 1990s edition) without any further updates. Daniel | About the Author Daniuel 12th April 2010 1:36pm #UserID: 406 Posts: 12 View All Daniuel's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Iogikuma says... You're absolutely right of course Kert. But at least if you buy a grafted tree you know that you'll get quality fruit, and it should take considerably less than the 5 year minimum from seed to be munching on your first fruit. To me, that's worth the extra money even though it is pretty outrageously expensive. And I believe that there is at least one other supplier who charges even more... Daniel | About the Author Daniuel 14th April 2010 2:21pm #UserID: 406 Posts: 12 View All Daniuel's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Are they back in stock at Yamina? I'm happy to pay $55 , might even get two. I bought 12 seeds from an american ebayer, they've been in the crisper for around 100 days. Pulled them not long ago, awaiting the germination now. Apparently they send down a long tap root well before I see anything above ground. Allybanana, If I get a good germination rate, I'll put your name on one or two if you want. I know I won't be needing all 12 that's for sure. | About the Author John Mc 9th July 2010 8:55pm #UserID: 3496 Posts: 132 View All John Mc's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says... Hi John and Allybanana, Last time I asked them regarding to asimina grafted trees, was told that they won't be available until at least November. http://www.yaminarareplants.com.au/contents/edibleAndHerbal.htm | About the Author JUJUBE FOR SALE Melbourne 10th July 2010 7:15am #UserID: 2706 Posts: 715 View All JUJUBE FOR SALE's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Thanks John that is very generous of you I will watch this space to hear what happens. At the moment I am striking a variety of pomegranates and feijoas and grafting plum seedlings with a variety of Japanese plum wood, also medlar onto hawthorn rootstock so depending on success I should have something to swap. Good to hear from you Jujube | About the Author 12th July 2010 10:25pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jason says... I got 100 seeds from maybe the same guy? years ago and got all 100 to germinate or near to it. But.. 4 years later? I have one plant and its about 20cm tall :0. I've been trying to grow these things off and on for 10 years and I even have a 10 year old paw paw that's 30 cm high at the most. It's one of those plants I just don't seem to be able to grow and I'm not quite sure why not | About the Author Jason Portland 4th November 2010 1:00am #UserID: 637 Posts: 1217 View All Jason's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Phil@Tyalgum says... When you plant them out ( I waited until their second year) don't put them in full sun as it seems to scorch them. I have mine in an "edge of a clearing" position, like a forest glade area with dappled/filtered light. Contrary to Glowinski, they seem to transplant ok even if in full leaf as long as the ground is damp. | About the Author TyalgumPhil Murwillumbah 4th November 2010 8:38am #UserID: 960 Posts: 1377 View All TyalgumPhil's Edible Fruit Trees |
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kert says... My experience is they are slow growing ,will germinate ,sometimes after 2 years. Best to germinate in something like moist Coco Peat. Surprisingly they flower early; this year a knee high plant has a flower on it. And, yes, shade is much preferred . Plants are also bothered by a black scale infestation. | About the Author sydney 4th November 2010 9:20am #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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j says... When I purchased a couple of grafted ones, The gent at Yamina rare plants told me that the best time to plant them in the ground was summer. He indicated that the plants loved mountain (dandenong ranges) soil and he didn't think shade was that big a deal. He also mentioned that the plant will do nothing much above ground for a year or two while they are setting up their roots underground. I've planted mine so they get some shade from other trees. The lovely Jantina recently gave me seedling that I have put into the ground. Sounds like I should have waited till next year. | About the Author J 4th November 2010 10:33am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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j says... My grafted trees are sprouting new leaves now. The seedling Jantina gave me (which I believe she got from you, phil, indirect thanks!) is just sprouting its first set of leaves. Hopefully it survives this summer. I plan on getting a few more grafted trees off yamina before the summer starts. | About the Author J 4th November 2010 12:25pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Dave says... i bought mine directly from yamina nursery and planted them in the ground about four weeks ago when they had just started budding. I decided to put them under the shade of some 80 year old chestnut trees (well kind of inbetween so they weren't in the firing line of the chestnuts falling). When speaking to the guy at Yamina he suggested part shade as some of you've mentioned. The reason I planted where they are now was partly because of shade but more to do with soil type. The chestnuts drop so much leaf matter and husks each year and breaks down into this thick layer of moist black rich earth. I read this before planting them worth a read. http://www.worldagroforestry.org/treedb2/AFTPDFS/Asimina_triloba.pdf Where they grow indigenously proved the most interesting part, which reflects similarly where mine are placed, see extract below: A. triloba is a tree of temperate humid growing zones, requiring warm to hot summers, mild to cold winters and is almost always found in nature as an understory tree of rich broadleaf deciduous forests growing in bottomland areas, on wooded slopes, ravines, along streams and in marshy areas with deep, rich, damp, sandy, or clayey acidic soils and high rainfall. Who knows how these ones will go, they already have quite a few leaves all over but we'll see in years to come. Another interesting thing about these guys is their medicine uses, the link also describes this and I'm not referring to the part about killing hair lice! | About the Author Dave Dandenongs 4th November 2010 10:56pm #UserID: 4019 Posts: 48 View All Dave's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Do you know if they have any Pennsylvania gold available, they sound pretty lush, if someone else gets one I would gladly trade for bud wood in a couple of years if my seedlings go well. I am just to far from Melbourne to pick one up. Last Autumn I bought two 30-40 cm seedlings from my local nursery in Eden for 48 dollars each (makes $55 for a grafted one from Yamina sound cheap), Jill my local plant dealer said she got them from some wizened old gardener in Melbourne who has a tree, I am now curious as to who that fellow might be. When I planted both seedlings I noticed a thick taproot had stopped as a fat stub at the bottom of the pot, is this likely to grow back? I am also wondering if I should put my two recently germinated sprouts in the ground as soon as possible to preserve this taproot. | About the Author Eden S-East NSW 5th November 2010 3:00pm #UserID: 0 Posts: View All 's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... My grafted pawpaws from yamina rare plants have grown about 3 inches each since spring, I put them in the ground earlier this year. I read a link on the kentucky university website that stated grafted Pennsylvania golds can fruit and flower as early as 3 years from the graft date. Overall I was quite suprised to read this and to see any growth at all. Glowinski's book states we shouldn't expect to see any growth for a couple of years will the tree just sits in the ground. Not really sure if this info needs to updated or pawpaws just like mountain soil, but I have high hopes to see some fruits within 4 to 5 years. | About the Author J Upwey, Victoria 14th December 2010 10:00am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Dave says... Hi J, Missed your last post somehow, but yeah mine are grafted also - not sure the exact name, I need to check with Yamina. I have seen some good growth on mine this spring with 30cm so far on one seedling, leaves are quite large already, some are 5-6 inches long, didn't actually expect that to say the least. Great you're getting some good growth too J. Feel free to email me if you like seeing as we are close in location, compare notes and that sort of thing, my email is davidstirfry@yahoo.com.au. Well back to the garden, going to repot my hawaiian guava in a larger pot in hopes that it will fruit next year. | About the Author Dave Dandenongs 14th December 2010 2:26pm #UserID: 4019 Posts: 48 View All Dave's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... One of the Asimas I bought last autumn has taken off, I put it in part shade, dug a three foot hole and filled it up with loose organic soil, it is also next to an underground spring. Unfortunately it looks like we are going to have to sell the 1/4 acre block next door, were i have planted a lot of the fruit trees. When is the best time to moove Asimina trees? | About the Author allybanana Eden S-East NSW 14th December 2010 4:00pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... I think the only people that do grafted american paw paw like my own that are flowering right now are Yamina. Mine have been in the ground for about a year and a half since purchase. I believe there is another nursery that does seedlings. Not sure what the name was.. tas1? Allybana in a post on this thread said she got her seedlings from a local nursery in eden. | About the Author J Upwey, Melbourne 14th September 2011 4:14pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Looking for grafting pieces of PA Gold. I got a couple of seed grown Asiminas the other day and would like to try grafting some cultivar variety to them. Would anyone have some small branch pieces of cultivars like PA Gold they can send me? As you can see in the picture, they are fairly established trees about 4 years old, so I wouldn't want to cut the main trunk at the base. Would appreciate any suggestions as to how best to graft on to these trees.
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J says... The looks like a good size seedling, Linton. Its about a foot taller than my biggest grafted tree. Looks like its only a few years from flowering. All my grafted american pawpaws are grafted from the base of the trunk so I'm not sure if it would be worth your while doing that for your already decent sized seedling. But You are welcome to have some cuttings off my trees at the end of this growing season. | About the Author J Upwey Melbourne 8th November 2012 10:27am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Asimina triloba Yes there are. I can see 3 groups of fruit in the picture. What are the two varieties you are growing - you're lucky to have them as it's unlikely that Yamina will have any more in the foreseable future, which is why I had to get the seed trees. Thanks for the offer of some cuttings later. I think the best way to graft them onto my trees is to graft them onto a side branch. It might mean that I end up with different varieties of fruit on the one tree but I've seen this method done before like on white sapotes. Cheers, and your plants are great! | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 8th November 2012 5:22pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... the One in the pic is "Pennsylvania Gold" and other fruiting one is "louis" which I believe is named so because the yamina rare plant people got a cutting from Louis glowinskis Asimina Tree. I've got two Louis's but the other one got partially taken out by a large gum branch. Its on its way back but is lagging behind the bigger two by about two years worth of growth. I picked up 4 more grafted Pennsylvania Golds last year, 3 of them are doing well right now, the 4th one was stepped on by a friend during winter. When their small they look like twigs sticking out of the ground! I tried to regraft it but it didn't take. Finally the lovely Jantina gave me a seedling she grew whose seed I believe she got from Phil, whom I believe got the seed from a breeding program in America. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this! That seedling is now starting to branch out but is nowhere near as big as your seedling, linton. And that's the entire history of my little asimina plantation so far, even tho nobody asked! :) | About the Author J Upwey Melbourne 8th November 2012 6:25pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... That's the story alright J ! Phil is a particularly generous person in my experience. The lucuma seedling you gave me is doing very well ,8 leaves now, sadly the tiny one has gone to heaven. It's been outside since I got it, including a few very cold nights, but hasn't looked back. That makes you a generous person too, in fact the whole forum is full of them! | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 9th November 2012 8:11am #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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heddysue says... Hi Everyone Just thought I'd let you know that I have ordered asimina triloba seeds and have more seeds than I need, They have arrived and I can sell them for $1 a seed plus postage. The seeds are from a grower in the US selectively cultivated for taste and fruit size. And have been kept damp and refrigerated (except for the flight over here) and have been cold stored long enough now to be stratified - Ready to plant now. If you are interested I have put some on www.quicksales.com and ebay - thanks everyone
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heddysue says... Hi Everyone, I was going to get mine from Blossoms but he wanted $50.00 for 10 seed which I thought was a bit extreme. So I bought some from an other grower and managed to get them much much cheaper. But I had to buy far too many to get them at a sensible price. 500 gms in fact. But I thought others would want some so I went ahead. They have been refrigerated and kept moist. And are currently in damp wood shavings in my fridge awaiting their new homes. My first seeds came up today and I'm so excited. I'd say at a guess the only seeds on ebay are mine at the moment easy to check, nimbindarcy (hubbies handle) Kyogle NSW. The seeds are from a grower in the US who selectively cultivated them for taste and fruit size - they are not GM modified .
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heddysue says... Oh and that's http://www.quicksales.com.au/ you have to search for asimina triloba Apartly (from what I've read) the stock won't eat them so I'm going to plant some along the creek in the sahade of some really big natives and see how we go. Beautiful aren't they? cheers Heddy
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heddysue says... Hi Everyone, For all those people having trouble. The seeds are $1 each plus $2.50 for postage as they are a big seeds and hassle to wrap and keep moist for the trip. I only post them on Mondays so they don't get stuck in a post office over the weekend. contact me heather(@)darcydrayton(.)com that is also paypal email
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j says... doesn't taste like custard apple but has the same consitency. mango pineapple and passionfruit mix is what i got. the trees flowered early spring and dropped fruit today in autumn. i have another tree (different variety) that has one fruit on it, not sure when that will be ready. asimina is definately worth growing. these grafted trees ive had for 2.5 years. i wasnt expecting fruit till atleast 5 years | About the Author J upwey 8th March 2013 11:16pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Jantina says... Very impressive j, which variety was this one? I have tasted one before and it was totally delicious, certainly better than any custard apples I've had up north. Can't understand why the Americans haven't done more with them. What are you going to do with the seeds, I can't imagine you just chucking them. | About the Author Jantina Mt Gambier 9th March 2013 12:01pm #UserID: 1351 Posts: 1272 View All Jantina's Edible Fruit Trees |
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j says... gonna grow them as seedlings. might be buying some land soonish so based on the taste of the asimina fruit i tasted i might want to grow an acre of these! I believe the fruit in the photo is from the pensylvania gold varierty. the other tree with fruit is the variery l. glowinski has in his garden. i still prefer the creamy taste of custard apple (going to taste cherimoya off my tree soon!) but american paw paw was quite yummy. | About the Author J upwey 9th March 2013 12:37pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Hi J, great to see the Asimina fruits but can you tell me if you water them and how often. I have 4 trees and find that they need too much water to keep them going in my sandy soil. The grafted cultivars are not as hardy as the seed grown ones which are much bigger, and the grafted ones are always drooping no matter how much water I try to pump into them. It's a nice dream about having an orchard of them, but I can't help wondering how you would keep up with all the watering that they seem to need. Cheers. | About the Author Linton Springvale 9th March 2013 11:14pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter 1000 says... yes john its me. how did your grafts end up going? one of my luke grafts is now a 3ft tree but i took the bags of too early with the rainbow and suebelle and they didnt make it. i have many cherimoya seedlings from those seeds you sent me a while back and was hoping to get some scion soon so i can graft them this season. | About the Author peter 1000 adelaide 10th March 2013 11:34pm #UserID: 6592 Posts: 102 View All peter 1000's Edible Fruit Trees |
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John Mc says... Hi Peter, There's something real weird going on with my white sapotes. Jujube Lucy sent me some Vernon scionwood where three struck and are on their way. Unfortunately, I didn't have any luck with your's, there was some very interesting cv's in the mix, I was hoping against hope that at least one of each cv's would take. I think the scionwood was meant for chip budding not a full scion graft, that's where I think I went wrong. In hindsight, I'm thinking the scionwood was too thick for my propagating technique. Jujube Lucy's scionwood was around pencil thickness, and worked well. Nevermind, are you doing a green scion graft onto your Cherimoyas? I usually graft in early spring just as the tree wakes up. That's when I do all the pruning as well. It's not a good time to be taking wood off the tree as it's heading into the cooler months. | About the Author JohnMc1 Warnervale NSW 11th March 2013 9:26pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... Hi Julie, yep 60 seconds. I've got 40+ fruit trees to water and I'll be there all day if I water them for any longer! I'm going to invest in a drip irrigation system one of these days. Peter1000, my fino and sofia are still just over a foot in hieght and quite small. My Southern Knight is about 4 feet and I can spare cuttings for that. The American paw paw fruit I got were off my Pensylvania gold tree, I checked. Looking forward to seeing if there's any difference in taste and texture in the other variety "louis" I have. | About the Author J upwey, victoria 12th March 2013 1:01pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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peter 1000 says... j, i was watering the same way at one stage but with 200+ plants. now got 99% on auto irrigation. bunnings have an exelant battery operated tap timer for $30.00 ok fino + sofia are too small i should be able to get s/knight localy but if not ill let you know. john, yes a little late for w/sapote bit still worth a try, if it doesnt work rootstock on these will reshoot ok. was doing full scion graft using the split the rootstock verticaly and push in arrow shaped scion. should be able to get scion late next week, do you want to also try again now or wait untill spring. | About the Author peter 1000 adelaide 12th March 2013 5:58pm #UserID: 6592 Posts: 102 View All peter 1000's Edible Fruit Trees |
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RiverworksRemedial-HolisticHealth says... Hi heddysue, i put in some seeds about five weeks ago (i may have bought them from you off eBay?) and have nothing to show. the rest of the seeds are stored in my fridge. is there anything i can do that i haven't done? bottom heat, mini glasshouse etc? thanks in advance :) | About the Author RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1 Elizabeth Grove 16th August 2013 3:09pm #UserID: 8160 Posts: 3 View All RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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heddysue says... Hi 5 weeks is not all that long, so long as they never dry out. Did you use the 5% bleach water wash before planting? That will help stop them rotting. It is winter after all and they remain dormant over winter, bottom heat will help to trick them into thinking it is spring. If you use a mini glass house remember they need shade. They are also the sort of seed that will put down a large root system before they show themselves. I had some seeds come up after 9 months waiting, which made it 90% germination in sandy mix left in a cold room at the back of the house. My opinion is that you need to wait a bit longer, you could CAREFULLY dig down beside the seed and see if any root is showing. hope that helps H | About the Author heddysue Kyogle 21st August 2013 11:11am #UserID: 6211 Posts: 17 View All heddysue's Edible Fruit Trees |
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RiverworksRemedial-HolisticHealth says... thank you for the reply :) i didn't know about the bleach wash but i do still have some seeds in the fridge so i may try again as the weather has turned. i've planted the two that i did in long cardboard tubes so i could cut one open carefully to check. thank you :) | About the Author RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1 Elizabeth Grove 2nd September 2013 8:52am #UserID: 8160 Posts: 3 View All RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Recher says... the standard bleach teatmet is 0.5-1% sodium hypochloite fr ten miutes ad NOT 5%. In fact household bleach is never 5%. I have cleaned and packed too many seed to think about. Bleach treatment is essetual fo many seeds set intenationally such as jakfuit. In all these yeas i do not pay attn to the above and have had no ill towads effects fom what eve i do e.g. stronge and longe soaks than standad but i pesent the standad as chloine bleach sucks Personally i would not use bleach on Asimina that i receive for home planting UNLESS I was going to use the sealed bag method for germinating said seed | About the Author Recher Dorroughby 24th September 2013 5:12am #UserID: 3075 Posts: 71 View All Recher's Edible Fruit Trees |
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RiverworksRemedial-HolisticHealth says... carefully cut open two of my cardboard tubes at the four month mark and found one root sprout. carefully replanted both a month ago but still haven't seen a top sprout, still hoping tho and have seeds in the butter compartment in the fridge still regardless :) also had a single seed sprout of six Brazilian cherry seeds i planted at the same time, so never give up hope :) it's still quite cold here in the northern suburbs of Adelaide. | About the Author RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1 Elizabeth Grove 14th October 2013 4:49pm #UserID: 8160 Posts: 3 View All RiverworksRemedialHolisticHealth1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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heddysue says... Hi Everyone Yes That's my theory, never give up. I have bayberry's germinating over 2 years old, I'd given up, and was just about to recycle the potting mix. But there you go :)I actually went to get the pots to empty, them when I noticed the new babies. I too have Brazil cherries from last spring germinating, and they say they have a short life span, Oh I gave them a bleach wash too... They were going green and purple in the cupboard, covered in mold. I thought better to try and fail than not to try at all. About 50% up now. As for the bleach, normal household bleach is about 1.4% chlorine - so if you use 5% of that to water you get a very week solution. Just perfect for removing the bugs from the seeds which have come from the USA via Korea. They need it I tell you. I've seem them rot quickly without it. I don't want to start any arguments.. but I know these seeds. If you have another solution sure fine use that, but most people have bleach in the cupboard and it's easy to use.. better to use it than nothing. And I dodn't want to confuse people with science, bleach is bleach, chlorine is another matter. How about this weather scorching one minute, and almost cold the next. Have we all moved to Melbourne? | About the Author heddysue Kyogle 29th October 2013 7:16pm #UserID: 6211 Posts: 17 View All heddysue's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... You have obviosly given those trees a lot of love to get them to that size already, It wasnt long ago that you mentioned buying them. One of mine has finaly turned the corner and has started growing well this year. A dead wombat, heavy mulch lots of water and a bit of sulpher appears to have done the trick, thanks for helping motivate me with your great pics. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 18th January 2014 11:11pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... Thanks Allybanana. The trees are about 3 1/2 years old and grafted. Outside of fertilizing and watering them during summer, I really havent done much for these guys. The bugs leave them alone and they grow slowly but surely. I think it's the dandenong ranges soil that they love so much that does all the work! it also helps they are under some big gums so they get some shade during the hot days of summer. Conversely those same gums are the pawpaws worst enemy because their falling branches can take out half a small tree. I have a third tree planted along those two and its only a quarter of the size because gum branches keep taking it out! Can't win em all I suppose. | About the Author J upwey, victoria 19th January 2014 1:19am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... It's a fantastic crop of Asimina fruit you got! These would have to be one of the best fruit trees to grow in the southern states. I got heaps of flowers on all of my trees and the first fruit this season on one of the small grafted plants, so I'm expecting a similar crop to the pictures next year. Now trying to air layer one of the larger Cascade Asiminas - does anyone know if it will work? | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 20th January 2014 10:33am #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... I think air layering should work Linton as I have heard of people striking cuttings with heat and humidification. As the plant is bog tolerent it might be good to go for a more moist mix of slightly acidic soil with rooting hormone or honey on the cut. Layering might be easier if there is a branch that cun be bent to the ground and staked. Best of luck. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 23rd January 2014 9:13am #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... Yrt, I have 2 different grafted varieties growing next to each other but no hand pollination was done at all. Heddysue, thanks. The fruit I tried last year tasted like a mix of Mango, Passionfuit, with some pinapple and custard apple in it. Not sure if the roots are in the water table but, its a slopping block and the pawpaw trees are under bigger trees. Linton, good work. The pawpaw tree deserves a better rep that in has in australia. I've found them to be pretty easy to grow. | About the Author J upwey, victoria 23rd January 2014 10:50am #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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BenW says... I've got what I think is a pretty good spot for asimina in my paddock. I'm going to plant 3 around a seep (kind of a like failed spring) which stays damp all year, and gets afternoon shade from established gums. They will get watered for the first year of course, but did you guys bother with the additional shading that is sometimes recommended? | About the Author BenW Kinglake West,3757,VIC 18th August 2014 1:15pm #UserID: 5390 Posts: 144 View All BenW's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Not many people are growing Asiminas yet as they have been so hard to come by so few people can probably answer your question with any authority. Their natural habitat is along soggy river beds and they are definitely an understorey tree. I don't have any additional shade for my 4 trees so they get a little burnt on the leaves on very hot days over summer, but nowhere near as bad as avocados. They also do well in my dry sandy soil with little water so they're quite hardy in all conditions. The spot you have chosen for them sounds ideal. | About the Author Linton Springvale, Vic 19th August 2014 2:35pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi J I have three Pennsylvanian Gold up from seeds you supplied and some other seedlings from e-bay seeds going strong. If you prune your Asimina's and southern night Cherimoya I would love some scions. Two of white sapote grafts took, one Vernon and one Ortago both branches are now producing flower buds. I am exited!! | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 6th May 2016 11:31pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... My Pensylvanian gold seedlings are about 3-5cm high and have no leaves I will email, what other Asimina varieties do you have? I also have some seedlings I was told the seeds were from good varieties growing in an Asimina farm in America, these are at least 20cm high. I am hoping to graft a couple with Pensylvanian gold if anyone has some spare scions I can swap for these seedlings, cherimoya or kiwi. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 2nd August 2016 10:52pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... One of my friends in Europe is growing a few of the self fertile types of Asimina. Seems like self fertile paw paws are the norm in Europe but I've never seen them here. Some of the most popular ones sold by the nurseries over there and in the U.S. are "Sunflower" and "Prima1216" which are both self fertile. It would be no problem to get scions from overseas of these cultivars but I doubt if they could be brought in without lengthy and costly quarantine procedures. Therefore I would like to know people's opinions if seeds from these types of asiminas would also produce trees that are self fertile. Thank you. | About the Author Linton NOBLE PARK,3174,VIC 5th August 2016 1:41pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... From what I can gather from self compatibility generally, is that a seed from a self fertilized self compatible tree has a reasonable chance of growing a self compatible tree. I would say there are some great plants growing among enthusiasts who have imported quality seed recently. In a few years when these start fruiting we will find some new cultivars for Australia. I have a seedling tree showing its first flower buds this year if it is not self compatible I will not get fruit as all the rest of my Asimina trees are small, i live in hope. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 14th August 2016 9:48pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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J says... hey allybanana will let you know when i do prune the pawpaws and cherimoyas I'll let you know asap. Jantina from this forum gave me a seedling she got from phil five years ago. its flowered a few times but hasnt set fruit. I reckon this season it might. apparently its from a variety that isnt Pennsylvania gold or the one lou glowinski has. Also I got given a few "wild" pawpaw seedlings and some other variety seedlings (names lost due to mislabelling, again not the standard two) and some of them are doing ok too. who knows, maybe they will give me fruit in a few years. Ive planted some decent size seedlings I grew from my own fruit in shaded areas of the garden nothing else will grow in. will see how they go as well. | About the Author J upwey, victoria 7th September 2016 2:30pm #UserID: 2954 Posts: 397 View All J's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi Hyo E-bay has an Australian seller http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Persimmon-Annona-Custard-apple-fruit-tree-types-Yummy-Easy-grow-U-pick-Seeds-/331961477391?var=&hash=item4d4a72290f:m:mi1Ln7I7N7SBFbq40ri6KfQ it is much easier getting them from Australia than overseas as the seeds I ordered from USA got intercepted by quarantine and it took time and effort to get them out. Good luck growing Allybanana | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 9th September 2016 8:37pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Thanks J Some Pennsylvanian Gold scions would be great for grafting. I just grafted 7 Fino D. J.Cherimoya and four forbidden fruit Cherimoya some Southern Night would be great two. I also have two Asimina seedling from Phil one is growing well in the yard and the other is in a pot would you like this seedling, I can send it barefooted. I also have about six Asimina seedlings I was hoping to graft on to, they were from a commercial farm in US and are supposed to be from good varieties. I am starting to think that maybe I should graft high and try and keep a rootstock branch just in case these seedlings are something special. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 12th September 2016 9:11pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Have now received a few seeds of some self fertile cv's like Sunflower and Prima. As they have been freshly harvested could you please confirm that they should be cold stratified before sowing and what would be an adequate period of time for this process. Do you think they could be planted this Summer or should I wait until Spring next year? Thank you. | About the Author Linton NOBLE PARK,3174,VIC 23rd November 2016 7:55pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Great one Linton, good score, I agree, stratification, putting them in pete moss reduces fungal problems and dont let them get to dry. Joel well done in scoring self fertile CV's I would be very interested in scions from self fertile cultivars, I may have something to swap that you don't have and want, my collection contains among other things: 4 kiwi varieties, 7 pomegranate , 8 persimmon, 3 cherimoya and on the family orchard lots of old apple and plum varieties and some interesting cactus. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 26th November 2016 5:06am #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... It's been a few months since I last spoke about some self-fertile Asimina seeds I had received. The cv's were Prima, a European variety, and Sunflower. After 1 month in the fridge they started to sprout so they were then planted in pots. All of the seeds germinated readily and Prima is in Pic No.1 and Sunflower in Pic No. 2. I'm wondering what will happen to them over Winter because Asiminas are deciduous and all of my adult trees have already lost all of their leaves and are completely bare. But there is no sign yet of these seedlings losing their leaves and what will happen if they do being so tiny? Please advise. Thank you.
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Joel15 says... Hi Linton, Try to keep them somewhere protected, they will either lose their leaves when they are a bit bigger or they won't at all until next Winter. This has happened to me quite a few times with other plants and currently with some Persimmon seedlings. I have got mine under lights indoors but failing that just keep them in a greenhouse or on the verandah to protect them from the cool nights but let them get as much sun as possible during the day. | About the Author Joel15 PARKSIDE,5063,SA 7th June 2017 11:35am #UserID: 14299 Posts: 66 View All Joel15's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi Linton keep them in a warm window and they will keep leaves for longer, they will be fine and re-sprout in spring they keep a good energy store in their tap root. My PG gold seedlings were planted late and the tiny twigs went bare and grew again in spring. It may be worth noting which seedlings break bud first in spring as this can indicate lower chill requirements. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 7th June 2017 10:10pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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MarkOConnor1 says... Thanks Joel. If you have enough of them from named varieties you should eventually be able to select some that prove good enough to use as scions. But granted that very few of them are self-fertile, and that the male (pollen-providing) parent tree should be as influential as the female, I would not expect seedlings to very closely resemble the tree from which they came. For the present I am looking for established cultivars, other than Melbourne/Lois. | About the Author MarkOConnor1 Lyneham, ACT 14th September 2017 10:36am #UserID: 2357 Posts: 14 View All MarkOConnor1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi Mark I think a reasonable amount depends on who the paternal parent is, if we know the fruit is grown from a self pollinating cultivar grown in isolation it has a better chance of coming true as it is self pollinating. But as you know, it will not necessarily be true to type as genes can be dropped and others doubled up and everything gets mixed up in miosis. However many desirable characteristics in plants that are the results of double recessive genes such as non-astringency in persimmons, stay relatively true in offspring from a self pollinated parent. From what I remember from a past life as a pollination ecologist, self pollination itself can be one of these traits. I personally am feeling positive about all these seedlings starting to fruit in Australia from great parentage and am thinking that's were we need to focus, as I don't think the overseas cultivars are in Australia. I suspect the economic potential for the species is so low that the quarantine investment is just not worth it to import them. From what I have read that the poor handling and shelf life, is the primary reason for it not taking off commercially in the US, but this is hardly an issue for the home gardener. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 18th September 2017 8:24am #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... A tall order, but would anyone have any dormant scionwood in their crisper that they might not get around to using? I have a seedling flowering for the past two years and need a polinator. In the meantime, maybe some pollen to spare? just to see a fruit or two develop??? Happy to pay. Cheers Asimina growers. | About the Author JohnMc1 WALLARAH,2259,NSW 2nd October 2017 9:59pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi John I will send Monday, Tomoz sent details, I have scions from Linton and Mark O' Conner, Melbourne variety from Perry's. I don't think I have much in the way of scions with flower buds though. I will wrap female flowers in para-film and see if they are male by the time they get there. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 5th October 2017 10:14pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... Cheers guys, excellent response. My largest Asimina is in flower and leafing out as we speak. Great time to graft on a dormant scion or two. Many thanks ally, please let me know if there is anything special you are chasing, I'd be glad to assist if I can. Hi Mark, I'll give you a tingle in the morning if that's OK. | About the Author JohnMc1 WALLARAH,2259,NSW 6th October 2017 9:14pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Hi John I sent the flowers yesterday, I talked to a florist friend about packing them and the flowers should last a while, just cut bottom off stems and put in fresh water on arrival. The bare stems are from two parent plants the more dormant branches are from an older not self pollinating tree of unknown providence from up the road in Eden. The stems with open flowers and green leaves are from my seedling, who's parent is a self fertile Melbourne back yard tree. I will not know for a few months if my tree is self fertile as this is its first year with flowers. The branch wrapped in parra film is from Linton's tree "e;Louis"e; which Linton mentioned tastes better than PG as it has a better after taste, these branches were picked end of last growing season but have grafted well for me this spring with more success than fully dormant wood. Don't worry about returning the favor I owed one to Tomoz and he passed it on to you. Good Luck with it Ally | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 10th October 2017 3:56pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... Oh, wow, many thanks Ally, arrived today. I'll be very busy in the morning with the grafting knife. Might be worth doing a couple of the dormant bare stem grafts as well as the scions wrapped in parafilm? Finally I will have some diversity, I've never tasted an Asimina, hopefully next year/year after might change all that and many thanks again. I'll copy n paste your info above for future reference. Tomoz and I catch up on a reasonably regular basis for a swap n chat. Cheers | About the Author JohnMc1 WALLARAH,2259,NSW 11th October 2017 8:00pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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JohnMc1 says... Yes def same, only I re-wrap when buds appear. I didn't think to try the scions that are leafing out/in flower, I've never had any success at that stage. Might see if I can resurrect one or two, nothing to lose. I'll be on the bludge next winter for sure. Does Yamina rare plants sell any grafted varieties? they use to, pennsylvania gold comes to mind. Might be worth a phone call. Oh, I have a reasonably good collection of white sapote's if you are chasing any particular variety. | About the Author JohnMc1 WALLARAH,2259,NSW 13th October 2017 3:36pm #UserID: 2743 Posts: 2043 View All JohnMc1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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allybanana says... Thanks John I am flattered, however please please put louis on the tag as well, it came from Linton who bought it from Yamani in Melbourne, this clone is also called "e;Melboune"e; by Perry's in SA, there is already ample confusion caused by these clones being from the same source. Although perhaps throwing in a third name would help Australians feel that they have more self pollinating cultivars. Our range is so miserable that we just add more names to the one decent clone we have. | About the Author allybanana EDEN, NSW 13th October 2017 9:53pm #UserID: 4544 Posts: 372 View All allybanana's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Linton says... Pawpaw fruits dropping now! The fruits are just beginning to fall from the trees, these ones are ready for eating now having a powerful aroma and are highly flavoursome. In spite of the large number of flowers that bloomed not as many fruit set this year which was probably due to the early start to summer with a very hot spell back in September right at the crucial time for them. Cheers!
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Linton says... 5 - 6 years. I bought the seedling trees when they were 5 years old and planted them in the ground where they fruited in the first year. They have fruited prolifically for the past 3 successive years that I have had them since that time. On the contrary, the grafted ones only produce 1 or 2 fruits each season but expect they will improve as they mature. | About the Author Linton NOBLE PARK,3174,VIC 27th February 2018 12:52pm #UserID: 2286 Posts: 994 View All Linton's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Carolyn says... I have been actively following this thread about Asimina Triloba and I am very interested now to grow them myself. Can anyone please direct me as to where to get seeds / seedlings / saplings or grafts. Of course I would like fruit sooner than later, so advise on whatever is quickest to fruit is best. I am also interested to know how those self-pollinators are going :) | About the Author Carolyn Brookfield 2nd December 2018 9:55am #UserID: 19404 Posts: 1 View All Carolyn's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Peter91 says... Carolyn, Daleys sell some seedlings if available, other than that sometimes Perry's nursery in Adelaide stock a grafted variety. Sometimes yamina have seedlings and PG varieties but honestly Daleys give you better value for money on the plain seedling. Other than that you'd have to find someone with some spare seeds or another nursery. | About the Author Peter91 NORTH PLYMPTON,5037,SA 3rd December 2018 1:22pm #UserID: 11892 Posts: 111 View All Peter91's Edible Fruit Trees |
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Fruitylicious1 says... Hi Carolyn Yamina Rare Plants Nursery in Monbulk, Vic sells Asimina Triloba "e;Pennsylvania Gold"e; a named variety and seedlings too of an unnamed cv. Go to their website and give them a ring if you are interested. Daley's also sell them occasionally but, you have to be very vigilant because they are very popular and numbers are very limited. I managed to snap 2 unnamed seedlings from Daley's last year. They are thriving vigorously ATM. Happy Pawpaw hunting 😉 | About the Author Fruitylicious1 TAMWORTH,2340,NSW 4th December 2018 9:56am #UserID: 16885 Posts: 709 View All Fruitylicious1's Edible Fruit Trees |
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