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asimina tribola/American pawpaw/ temperate custard apple

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Does anyone know if this tree is self fertile or do you need 2 trees. I know pollination is by flies and not bees but wasn't aware at time of purchasing it that it wasn't self fertile..
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13th October 2008 12:15pm
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Jantina says...
Hi Anonymous,my research indicates that you need two trees althougth it says that occasionally you do get a self fertile tree it,s rare.Do you mind telling me where you got your tree? I have got one and would love to buy some more.I have seen them in Japan for about 15 dollars australian.It,s enough to make you gnash your teeth.Jantina
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13th October 2008 12:44pm
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lynne says...
Jantina I got mine from a gentleman at Louis Glowinski's open garden last year (he would rather his details not be made available on the internet...). I remember there was a tree (American pawpaw) in Louis Glowinski's garden that was fruiting. I thought he only had one tree. If anyone else knows whether Louis Glowinski has one American pawpaw tree or two, please let me know. Thanks
Lynne
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13th October 2008 7:39pm
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Jantina says...
Thankyou Lynne,I will do some research in that direction as soon as I can.Jantina
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13th October 2008 9:22pm
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Jantina says...
HI Anonymous and Lynne and any other american pawpaw fans, I have found a web site that answers all our pawpaw questions and more. Maybe I will try some seed.Jantina Whoops nearly signed off without giving you the website. www.holoweb.com/cannon/pawpawor.htm
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14th October 2008 10:49am
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lynne says...
Thank you Jantina - that's a good site. There's a person near Daylesford in Victoria who will have several seedlings available next Feb/March. He's happy for me to give his contact number off line so if you are interested and can make it to Daylesford, please send me an email cclynne@gmail.com
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16th October 2008 9:05pm
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Jantina says...
Hi Lynne,sounds good to me,I am in Japan at the moment and cannot send emails from my email address on this computer due to the pitfalls of computer illiteracy on my part.Here is my address jantinarohde@activ8.net.au ,the at bit looks strange on this Japanese keyboard.I have ordered 10 seeds from that website,and am considering joining the Pawpaw Society.Have you ever tasted a pawpaw? I had one from the pawpaw Louis has in his book and it was totally delicious. Cannot understand why its not more widely grown.The other tree I,m chasing is another jujube or chinese date, also delicious and great self sufficiency food.We will be back in Aus. in a few days and will email you then.Thankyou, Jantina.
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17th October 2008 10:02am
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larry says...
You can obtain JuJubes at Perry's Nursery in S.Australia . Sit down for the price , though.
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17th October 2008 1:14pm
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Jantina says...
Thanks Larry, I do have one from there and it,s doing very well,however I was hoping to find some more at a reasonable price.Having said that everything I have got from them has been excellent quality.Jantina
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17th October 2008 1:23pm
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fruitist says...
I have a few PawPaw seedlings and 1 Chinese Jujube (late Rick Deerings cultivar). Pawpaws are protogynous, that is the stigma (female part) ripens before the anthers (pollen-bearing) and is self-incompatible. Therefore, two trees are required in order for fruit to be produced. The natural pollinators (flies and beetles) are not particularly efficient, and hand-held pollination with a paint brush is important for good fruit set. Some people have reported self-fruitfulness though but yields are always better with a companion tree even if the tree is self fruitful. There are 7 cultivars of PawPaw. In terms of taste, here are the notes:
Shenandoah: Extremely sweet and strongly flavored. Shenandoah has these characteristics and very enjoyable to eat (it is something like 26 brix).
Susquehana: Not as sweet as Shenandoah (still a very sweet fruit though) almost as strongly flavoured (but a bit milder). Very enjoyable.
Taytwo: the least sweet and flavored of the bunch. Still very enjoyable it is a more subtile fruit than the above two (mind you it is only subtile in comparison- it still has a lot of flavor and sweetness for some random fruit). Closest in flavor to the good wild pawpaws I've had.
Overleese: basically a sweeter version of Taytwo with slightly more flavor.
1-7-1: advanced selection.
2-9:
Pa Golden:

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17th October 2008 5:00pm
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Jantina says...
Hi fruitist,this is tantalising info you have given us!Are you saying that these varieties are available in Australia?If so please tell me where.Also I am not familiar with this 26 brix, please explain. Thankyou Jantina
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17th October 2008 7:57pm
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fruitist says...
Hi Jantina,

They are not available in Oz. Brix is a measure of the sugar content of the fruit pulp. If you are in Japan, see if you can find the new variety of seedless Loquat.
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17th October 2008 9:36pm
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Phil says...
I managed to get some seed sent from the US of Shenandoah, Susquehana, Allegheny and Pa Golden ( I think that is short for Pennsylvania Golden ) and have some vigorous two year old seedlings. I imagine it will be some time before I can report on their various merits! I would encourage people to look at importing seed to make the better varieties more available, as they are ok to bring in as long as they are properly labelled (Customs requirement). Always check the AQIS search engine first - it will tell you which species are permitted into the country.
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17th October 2008 10:02pm
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Jantina says...
Hi fruitist and Phil,thanks for the explanation of brix,I only have two and a half more days in Japan and my Japanese is almost none existent however us fruit fiends are up for almost any fruit related challenge so I will give it my best shot about the loquat and will post results.Phil your report is very encouraging.I have sent away for some seed but my understanding is that it,s not seed from any particular variety.Would you be able to give me the site you got your seeds from please.Thankyou Jantina P.S.which state are you growing your pawpaws in Phil?
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17th October 2008 11:15pm
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Phil says...
Jantina, I originally got mine from a fellow in North Carolina who in turn got them as a one off from a research farm somewhere in the US. I originally met him on the Cloudforest Cafe forum, might be worth checking out and leaving a msg there, most of the users are americans. I have mine growing in Central Vic, cold winters and hot summers.
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18th October 2008 4:04pm
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Jantina says...
Thanks Phil,one more request, I have read some talk of having to stratify stored seed with both heat and cold in order to germinate them not to mention that they need certain symbiotic soil organisms? fungi? to grow well.Could you please detail exactly what you did ?I will leave a message on Cloudforest Cafe as you suggest.Thanks, Jantina
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18th October 2008 5:05pm
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Phil says...
Yes I did plant my seeds in seed raising mix and then put them in the vegetable crisper for about three months. I managed 100% germination but they didn't appear above ground until around December or so. Try and time it so you get the seeds in our autumn and then take them out of the fridge in July or August. Best not to keep too damp when in the fridge, if you use a good quality mix ( I use Debco or Grow Better), just use the mix as is and don't add extra water as they can rot. Also, use a reasonably deep pot as the seeds are large and develop a long root system in their first season.
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19th October 2008 9:33am
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Jantina says...
Thankyou Phil for the detail.I have put a message on Cloudforest but if you say autumn then it gives me time to track down a source,maybe even the American Pawpaw Society.If I find a good source I will post it here.
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19th October 2008 1:22pm
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fruitist says...
PawPaw has long tap root. Hypogeal germination. Even before epicotyl shoots up fully, some have grown about 10 inches of tap roots. I grew about 40 seeds at one stage. Only a few seedlings left now.
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19th October 2008 3:29pm
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Jantina says...
Thanks fruitist,Think I know what you mean even if I,ve never heard two of those words before.When you say only a few seedlings left now does that mean the others died or you gave them away?Do you have any to sell?Can you tell me where you got your seeds?Are they from named varieties?What state do you live in? I,ve been talking on this thread while in Japan as you know but live in S.A. near Mt. Gambier.Still working on the loquat info.
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19th October 2008 3:45pm
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Jason says...
I believe Glowinski has 3 pawpaw trees, certainly 2 but I think there's 2 in the back yard and one in the front. Germination is easy, just stick them in the fridge in peat or something for 3-4 months (over Winter) and you should get 100% germination in Spring
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20th October 2008 3:04am
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Anonymous says...
Hi Jantina,
Most of my PP seedlings died through lack of care. I did give a few away. I got the seeds from USA from a researcher on the fruit. I live in Brisbane. He is not in contact anymore.

Seedless Loquat is a brand new cultivar. The fruits may not be available in retail shops. Heard of it from a Japan based American 2 years ago. You have to ring up the Japan Agricultural Dept. to find the source.

Keep up your collection. Remind me of my enthusiasm many years ago.
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20th October 2008 8:38am
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fruitist says...
Jantina, see the Lucuma thread for my latest post.
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20th October 2008 8:59am
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Jantina says...
HI Jason, I,m definitely contacting Louis Glowinski when I get back,if I,m really lucky he might be having another open day.Fruitist,I have some Japanese people trying to check out the seedless loquat.Trouble is the older people who do the gardening don,t speak english and the younger ones who do are not interested in gardening.Thanks for your encouragement.The plane awaits.
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20th October 2008 10:23am
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Anonymous says...
Hey Jantina, we wish you'd use the apostrophe key instead of the comma! ' not ,
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20th October 2008 11:47am
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Jantina says...
Hey fruitist, you are of course right but I am a computer dud and do not seem to be able to get this computer to do anything but a comma.Feel free to enlighten me!We got back home late last night, boy have things exploded out of the ground, some young fruit trees have grown 8 inches in those 3 weeks and established (4 y.o.)trees are mostly loaded.Pity there are so many slips twixt the tree and the lips!
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22nd October 2008 4:33pm
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clean phil says...
I obtained my Asimina triloba seed from Blossom's Nursery in Kentucky. Mr Blossom (yes, that's his name) emphasised that for successful germination the seed must never dry out and he ,duly ,sent them in spag. moss. I can recommend him as a source of seed and I now have 8 plants ready to plant out ,albeit after 4 years of slow growth.He also has a v. informative web site to peruse.
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23rd October 2008 1:49pm
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Jantina says...
Thankyou clean phil,I will follow that up.The other asimina triloba seed I sent for turned not to be available.Love the name Mr. Blossom!
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Jantina
Mt. Gambier S.A.
23rd October 2008 2:21pm
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peter says...
are these fruits good for eating.
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23rd October 2008 8:18pm
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Jantina says...
Hi Peter,I have tasted one and thought it was totally delicious.The texture is a bit like avocado and the taste is sweet,a bit banana/vanilla/fruity.Of course that depends on the variety you are tasting and whether it is at it,s best or not.I am hooked.
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23rd October 2008 10:29pm
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peter says...
does anyone want any seedlings
of these trees.
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24th October 2008 8:20am
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Jantina says...
YES PLEASE! are you seriously saying you have asimina triloba seedlings when I have been scouring the internet for them?Please send me details, we go to Adelaide several times a year.
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
24th October 2008 9:23pm
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peter says...
no i havent got any myself but
if you go to www.yaminarareplants.com.au
and click on eddibales you will see them
in the list.
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25th October 2008 8:11pm
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Laura Mckay says...
Asminas are quite easy to grow and will fruit quite well in cooler areas. I have four, all seed raised from the same tree. They seem to pollinate each other well. Young plants can be bought from Tamsal Trees, Ph 02 6070808, email : treetubes@yahoo.com.au. Mattew & Joy Corr have several unusual fruit trees such as Hovenias, Pecan etc.
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25th October 2008 10:41pm
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Julie says...
I grew mine from seed bought from Phoenix Seeds, in Tasmania, but they don't seem to be available any more.

I only have one, which fruits well. The trouble is, it fruits all at once, and doesn't keep well, so you end up looking for people to give them to!

I'm not that keen on the flavour - mine has a slight bitterness. Maybe a better variety would taste better.

I am in WA, in the hills - we have very cold nights in winter and hot summers.

Next time it fruits I will let you know - I could send seeds to anyone who wants them, if you could pay postage. The seeds are quite large and heavy.
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28th October 2008 8:38pm
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Jantina says...
Thats the thing with seed grown, the fruit quality can be quite variable, the one I tasted was delicious.Julie do you remember how long it took to fruit from seed? Peter, thanks for the info, I did get a small seedling (expensive) from there but it died not long after planting in spite of tlc so I am reluctant to go that route again. Laura,thankyou for the Tamsal Trees info I will check it out.
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29th October 2008 10:40pm
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John says...
Dear Julie or anyone in Western Australia. My name is John and I live in Albany. I am after seeds or seedlings of the American paw paw. Can you let me know if you have some.

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5th November 2008 12:08am
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John says...
Phoenix is now called the "lost seed".
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5th November 2008 1:39pm
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Jantina says...
Another good pawpaw website www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/ most informative.I finally have some seeds on the way from America. Jantina
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Mt. Gambier S.A.
7th November 2008 7:53am
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Phil says...
Jantina I've been in touch with a fellow in North Carolina who has a limited supply of seeds from named pawpaw varieties if you still want some.
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Jantina says...
Yes Phil I would very much like to get some seeds from him. I would eventually like to have good selections available to the Oz public at reasonable prices because I believe this fruit could be so good in southern Australia and currently all I can find is one grafted one(with excellent flavour)at a very high price and unnamed seedlings on which you have to take your chances.Jantina
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7th November 2008 8:48am
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Phil says...
He would like to trade them for quandong seeds or davidson plum if you can get hold of any in SA
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7th November 2008 9:01am
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Jantina says...
Do not know about davidson plum but may be able to get some quandong.seed.A friend of ours has some thriving quandong plants from a csiro experimental planting on their property and I may be able to extract some seeds from him.Will ask as soon as he comes back, he is away working.
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7th November 2008 10:22am
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Phil says...
Ok that'd be great, he has seen from the Petersen breeding program in the US and some great sounding cultivars. A seed swap would be great.
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7th November 2008 10:24am
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Phil says...
sorry, that should be

www.petersonpawpaws.com/
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Jantina says...
Their pawpaws sound scrumptious .They say they no longer sell seed but I have emailed and asked if they would make an exception for Oz. The worst they can do is just delete me.
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7th November 2008 12:09pm
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Phil says...
If you don't have any luck let me know - I'm sure my american friend will swap for quandong seeds.
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Jantina says...
James,did you give the pawpaws shade?Apparently it is essential when they are young.I would be keen to buy some quandong seed from you.Tried mango but lost it, during the drought we had some nasty frosts that we do not usually get.I had only seen quandong grown with kikuyu grass before, and since I hate that stuff it put me off having a go but today I saw some growing with an easter daisy and now you say it also grows with wheat,I like that much better.
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Julie says...
John, sorry for the late reply - haven't visited this site for a while.

I am not watering my paw paw at the moment, so don't know if I'll get fruit this year. If I do I'll let you know, but be aware this is an unnamed variety.

Why do you call Phoenix 'the lost seed'?
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20th November 2008 8:32pm
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RolFlor a says...
Which nursery sells A.triloba in australia?
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3rd January 2009 8:32pm
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RolFlor a says...
Or is it only sold as seed?
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Randy says...
Yamina rare plants in Melbourne sells seedlings
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Bass says...
Hello,
Jantina how's the pawpaw seeds you've purchased from me? did you plant them yet or are you keeping them in the fridge as I advised you?


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18th January 2009 9:26am
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Jantina says...
Hello Bass, nice to see you on this forum.I did have the seeds in the fridge, but then planted them as per instructions from Phil who said he has 100% success with his seeds (pawpaw seed that he imports). He said I won't see anything until spring this year. Sorry to have been so slack in getting back to you with an update, life gets so very busy. How are your figs going ? my sister in England (Somerset) said it was 14 below freezing when we spoke a few days ago, while we have been sweltering in 30c and my main worry is keeping things from drying out too much. I haven't forgotten about sending some property pictures , it will happen eventually. Cheers Jantina
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19th January 2009 9:35pm
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Bass says...
Jantina,
No worries, take your time.
I envy you right now. The temperatures in Pennsylvania dropped to about -20 C the other day. But I still manage to grow all these lovely fruit trees.
Figs in particular need to be wrapped and planted against a wall for added protection.
Consider yourselves lucky.
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23rd January 2009 2:24am
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peter says...
judyc,
this is an older thread about
these american pawpaws.
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1st March 2009 4:16pm
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Phil. says...
Have had another great success in germinating seeds from named varieties of Asimina triloba. Strangely they have appeared above ground as autumn begins, wasn't expecting them until after the winter chill period, Oct/Nov. Have recently moved to the Byron Bay/Murwillumbah area and took the seeds with me - maybe this climate suits them. In the mountains behind Byron Bay there are still a certain amount of chill hours in winter so here's hoping they'll eventually fruit. Parent plants are Pa Golden, Shennendoah, Susquehana and Alegheny - two year old seedlings will go into the ground this spring. I would encourage those interested to import seed as they are permitted if AQIS knows about them and you can even get them cheap on e-bay.
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17th March 2009 8:30pm
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Simon says...
Where were you able to get named varieties from?
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19th March 2009 9:34am
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Jantina says...
Hi Simon, what Phil is saying is that he has imported (from America) some seeds from fruit of named varieties. These do not come exactly true from seed but tend to be of similar quality.
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19th March 2009 2:50pm
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Phil. says...
Thanks Jantina - how are your seedlings coming along?
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19th March 2009 4:32pm
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Jantina says...
Another 5 have come up Phil! A couple of the first ones got a bit scorched as the pots were in our nursery area in the sun, but I think they will be ok. I'm checking every day now and as they come up I'm putting them under the bench where they get filtered sun. So pleased to hear that you are happy with your move, are you going to make a food forest there ? Cherimoyas should do well there shouldn't they ? I'd be wearing a track to Daleys!
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19th March 2009 4:46pm
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Phil. says...
Yes picked the one and only mango on a tree growing on the property the day I arrived. The tree is only about four ft (that's about 1.2m for RolFlor a) tall. So much tropical fruit on roadside stalls and markets you almost don't need to grow your own. White sapote trees have really taken off here, I dug them up after almost no growth in the six or seven years they'd been in the ground in Victoria and brought them with me - each plant is covered in healthy new shoots. Yes keep your pawpaw seedlings in the shade until their third year, after thatthey do better in the sun. Careful of snails and slugs as they can chew off the first shoot to emerge.
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19th March 2009 4:57pm
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Jantina says...
O.K. I'll put some snail bait out in some special little traps I have. Can't complain about the growth on my white sapotes here, 3 ft. in one year, it is milder here than where you were. Your own mango yum! Lots of luck with it all.
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19th March 2009 5:19pm
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R OlFlora says...
SPELLING MISTAKE:Asimina triLOBA.
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22nd March 2009 8:13pm
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Eric says...
Has it taken you this long to pick this one up mate? Gosh, you're really slipping..
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Rooty Hill
23rd March 2009 9:32am
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Steve says...
John, "Chinese whipsers", my friend - Phoenix & The Lost Seed are both in Tassie, but are two totally different businesses, no relation.
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23rd May 2009 12:06am
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Michael says...
Hi Phil
Being a close-ish neighbour, I'd love to know how your PawPaws grow/fruit, and whether you'd have any seeds available? Are your trees named varieties?
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2nd July 2009 8:51am
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Iogikuma says...
In November 2008 Jantina said:
"all I can find is one grafted one(with excellent flavour) at a very high price"

Jantina, would you mind advising who has those grafted American Pawpaw plants? At least with a grafted plant it will be true to type, will bear fruit more quickly and will have overcome the problems it would face growing from seed. IMHO that is worth paying extra for.

Daniel
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7th November 2009 2:45pm
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Jantina says...
Hi logikuma, I got the grafted plant from Perrys Fruit and Nut Nursery in Kangarilla S.A. From memory it was a $100 and he only had a few. I think he does mail order. Good luck.
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8th November 2009 9:41am
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Phil@Tyalgum says...
Hi Michael (Bangalow) - sorry didn't notice your post until this week, all my seeds are now seedlings. They came from a research station in the US, parent plants are Shenandoah, Susquehanna, Pa Golden and Aleghenny. Their various attributes and photos can be seen on petersonpawpaws.com. They seem to be thriving in my climate, but will need around 400 hours of winter chill.
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10th November 2009 9:39pm
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