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Hello - I was hoping someone out there may b growing one of these? I picked up an ex-Daleys one in Perth but can't find much info about them on google.

Time: 7th August 2009 9:18pm

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HappyEarth says...
Hey Amanda - A friend of mine has one growing here in Wollongong. Its a couple of years old now and is doing great. Dont know much more about it than that either - sorry.

Im amazed what you have growing in such a dry climate with soil so sandy as yours. Keep up the good work :)

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Time: 8th August 2009 7:27am

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amanda says...
Thanks HappyEarth - u had 2

Time: 8th August 2009 8:57am

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amanda says...
Hey Mike T and other experts...do u know much about these at all? Mine is maybe 5yrs old now - I dug it up n put in a 35L tree sack 2yrs ago...sadly we are still stuck here and the trees still in 35L sacks :-(

It's doing fine but it looks like it might be running out of room in the sack...? the trunk is getting quite wide and the tree 2m tall (can't grow taller now - due to the shade house roof)

I just get the feeling it might not be a tree that can be kept confined like this for too long..? Should I re-sack it to a larger sack or just keeping pruning it do u think?

Also - would love to hear what else u know about these guys please?
Mine a seedling (ex-Daleys) how till fruit?

In the Rare Fruit Rx they said taste can be like a "mangosteen on steroids"...?

Does it need a friend?

I really don't want to lose it after all this effort!? Many thanks :)

Time: 9th May 2012 5:54pm

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Mike says...
Amanda, Trikus has muscle in the kwai muk department and he is the man for you.My advice would be air swings in the dark.I can say most artocarpus are whoppers and don't want to be held back.

Time: 9th May 2012 6:27pm

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JUJUBE FOR SALE IN MELBOURNE says...
Hi Amanda,

I don't think it needs a friend because there is only one tree at Townsville botanical garden loaded with fruits.

I tasted one fruit not long ago. I must say it has citrus flavor and a bit sour but I have sweet tooth so may be just me.

Time: 9th May 2012 7:15pm

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amanda says...
Thanks Lucy/Jujube :) Trikus - where are u to add to this thread please?
I like sour stuff Jujube. Not too worried about the flavour to be honest...just want to make sure there are some trees around b4 they become extinct maybe...? :-(

Extintion is forever.

Time: 9th May 2012 10:39pm

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jakfruitetiquette says...
Fruit about the size of fig, inside a bit like a single jakfruit segment, softer, sour citrus/jak taste as Jujube says.
There are sweeter types, so they say.


Time: 10th May 2012 6:48am

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trikus says...
My last Kwai Muk just carked it from Yasi damage . It is relatively unknown in its native area . Think it will do better kept small as it can get very large . Am collecting some wood for grafting from other trees next week to widen gene pool . Some grafted onto jak rootstock has fruited in 2 years on trellis locally .
Pretty certain thats 1 beside Abiu on display platter at meeting 25-2-12 . I am working on a fact sheet for Rare Fruits Aus. will discuss at AGM next week . I am very glad I collected lots of seed a few years ago and got it out amongst you other keen growers .
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Time: 10th May 2012 10:27am

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amanda says...
Thanks Trikus :) Where will the Fact Sheet be found - once it's available..?

Sounds like a great idea...I always appreciate information from people who have actual experience with these unusual trees..? Sorry about your tree tho.. :-(

This particular tree really interests me as I am sure it will have a good growing range..?

It's done better than many of my sub tropicals here - and it's a hideous environment for them really.. ;D

Mine is a seedling tree from Daleys - I hope it turns out to be a good one!?

Is it not a popular flavour in it's home land?

Time: 10th May 2012 11:05am

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micarle says...
There is a really nice old tree in the syd bot gardens! The fruit tastes ok

Time: 10th May 2012 12:46pm

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joy says...
Where in the gardens are they,Micarle?

Time: 10th May 2012 3:20pm

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micarle says...
Joy the the single old tree is just outside the Gardens shop next to a large Rollinia you can't miss it.. there is only two trees in that bed...

Time: 10th May 2012 6:28pm

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Joy says...
Thanks.

Time: 11th May 2012 8:58am

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amanda says...
These little 'growths' have started appearing on my Kwai Muk...are they flowers? They are tiny...?
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Time: 11th January 2013 12:32pm

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BJ says...
Yep, its flowering.

Time: 11th January 2013 12:57pm

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amanda says...
Yay! How cool...now to see if it will fruit this far south in WA...exciting times ;-)

It seems happy to be out of the tree sack and into the ground at last...it has a jackfruit for it's neighbour - and they get shade from mid afternoon onwards - in summer.

About 10m to the east side of it is a raspberry plant - also flowering and fruiting...is that weird timing do u think?

(Temps fluctuate a lot here (one night this week was 30 oC then the next night was 12 oC, for eg...) It's pretty humid though..)

Time: 11th January 2013 7:01pm

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amanda says...
These are my "flowers" at present guys...what's happening? Do they just get bigger like this and how do they change when they are fertilised?


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Time: 11th February 2013 12:00am

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John Mc says...
That's as far as my Daley's grafted "Richmond" gets too Amanda. The fruits have been forming all summer and dropping off. I'd like to know more of their flowering physiology.

Time: 11th February 2013 7:37am

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amanda says...
No takers on this one perhaps John Mc...might need to go to Cloud Forest forum..? This one in the pic is starting to go brown at the bottom :-(


Time: 12th February 2013 9:35pm

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Mike says...
Amanda I am sure Cloud will have all the answers.Here some I ate yesterday of an elite cultivar.Flowers are small like that and will enlarge when fertilised.They drag their arse for the first few season and not many set and after that they pump them out.Trikus will know.
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VF says...
Mike, what do they taste like? I'm curious also as to what their texture is like too - is it like jakfruit?

Time: 13th February 2013 8:12am

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Mike says...
Good ones are very much like a raspberry/fig cross with a little citrus VF.Bad ones can have some sourness but are still good.They really are an elite fruit.Texture is like moist dense fig.

Time: 13th February 2013 10:01am

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amanda says...
Great -thanks Mike :) They are bigger than I thought and sound tasty too. I can only imagine some strange little bug or moth pollinating the flowers as they are so dull and insignificant for a bee..?

What do you mean by an elite fruit? Is that to do with taste etc - or rarity?

Time: 13th February 2013 10:18am

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MaryT says...
Sounds yummy, Mike. Are they strictly for the tropics?

Time: 13th February 2013 10:59am

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Mike says...
They are great Mary and suitable for the sub-tropics as well.Amanda elite in fruit usually means they stand out from others because of good quality.Elite varieties are often selected from a pool of 'contenders'.
I think even honeybees could be suitable pollinators,but ants and native bees would do the job I guess.

Time: 13th February 2013 12:06pm

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MaryT says...
Do these elite cultivars have names, Mike?

Time: 13th February 2013 12:38pm

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Mike says...
Mary not that I am aware of.

Time: 13th February 2013 1:07pm

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John Mc says...
Have you heard of my "Richmond" cv. Mike?

Time: 13th February 2013 2:11pm

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Mike says...
John no but it sure sounds like it acquired the name while spending time in Nth NSW.

Time: 13th February 2013 2:33pm

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VF says...
Thanks for the description of the taste and texture Mike - an interesting but delicious sounding combination that has now caught my attention! Do you know if the tree (espec. a grafted cv) self-pollinates ok?

Time: 13th February 2013 4:23pm

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amanda says...
Just to interrupt ;) I do remember Trikus saying that they seem to fruit/bear better with a friend..? (but that they are self-fertile...)

Mine is from Daleys John Mc - I think it's a seedling - but I do remember that either they or Happy Earth had Richmond...?

Happy Earth has a website so he might be worth contacting also...

Time: 13th February 2013 5:42pm

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VF says...
Thanks Amanda :) But you know that you have just encouraged my impulse buying, and one will be on its way soon...

Time: 13th February 2013 8:10pm

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John Mc says...
There just happens to be one grafted "Richmond" cv available at Daley's right now. 9.18pm Wed 13/02/13.

Time: 13th February 2013 9:20pm

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Mike says...
Good lakoocha is also a great fruit and the ones that taste like dry apricots with zing are terrific fruit.

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Time: 13th February 2013 9:49pm

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Mike says...
Sorry that was good lakoocha I should have said.The edit function is fighting with me.

Time: 13th February 2013 9:53pm

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BJ says...
damn, i went to eat an ARKP mango and the richmond kwai muk disappeared! gah!

Time: 13th February 2013 10:11pm

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amanda says...
I am only growing the Kwai Muk just to see if I can - to be honest....I never expected it to do well in WA...I sure have been surprised, so far.

It's a really resiliant plant, I feel. To go from being dug up into a treesack and then taken from a semi-arid climate to a warm temperate climate - and then flower and grow within 4 months - that's pretty good I reckon..??

A good surprise package :)

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VF says...
Nice surprise for sure Amanda :)

John, they're all gone now - caught someone else's attention too.

The Lakoocha seems like another tasty find Mike - interesting looking as well, very alien like.

BJ, nice choices, lucky you! BTW how are your ARKP mangoes, nice I bet? Has been a year for good mangoes.

Time: 14th February 2013 7:36am

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BJ says...
ARPK is fantastic. Certainly bucks the trend of bland but pleasant mangoes that is taking over commercial production at the minute. It is super strongly flavoured of KP 'real' mango flavour and a real orange tang flavour on top. Too full on for some, including my wife who prefers Kwan, but perfect to me.

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amanda says...
They are weird looking Mike!? Strictly tropical?

Time: 14th February 2013 12:10pm

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BJ says...
Lakoocha are happy in the sub tropics. Fruit quality is much more variable with the common name of 'monkey jack' giving some idea of its general standing, but some selections can be very good. Its a good candidate for selection and grafting of superior selections. Chester often sells them.

Time: 14th February 2013 3:56pm

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VF says...
Looking forward to receiving Kwai muk this week - have read they tolerate wet feet more than Jakfruit, by how much? Will probably be planted where it will cop some storm water drainage, but never stagnant water. Should this be ok?

F/F have stopped listing Lakoocha, all the Asian mangoes and Lemon Gold White Sapote in their catalogue - but a couple of new things though.

Sorry I missed your post BJ - the ARKP sounds delicious and is one I would make room for in my collection.


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David says...
Have tried to locate Lakoocha ,but no luck,have located some Kwai muk but only seedlings.BJ can you help here.

Time: 18th February 2013 7:11pm

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VF says...
David, Cape trib. sells Lakoocha seedlings and will ship to Brissie (minimum order though) - their seeds aren't listed amongst the ones for sale, but I reckon if you email them, they might do a one off. Mena Crk is another that sells Lakoocha, but they only deliver locally.

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David says...
Thanks for that VF.

Time: 19th February 2013 8:37am

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BJ says...
I'll ask around David. I'm sure someone will have seedlings locally. If not, and if Chester has stopped doing them, I'll get some more seeds in and spread them around.

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David says...
Thanks for that BJ, im beholden to you.

Time: 19th February 2013 7:59pm

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BJ says...
David, I've located a few. Drop me an email on didge underscore 2001 at hotmail dot com

Time: 20th February 2013 9:52am

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VF says...
Had my Richmond KM delivered today - very beautiful looking tree. Best part though was that it came covered in flowers (very cute and unusual). I wonder how old it will have to be to develop into fruit?

BTW, confirmed with Daleys today that Richmond is cutting grown, so will need some wind protection.
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David says...
BJ have emailed you

Time: 21st February 2013 9:42am

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VF says...
Last week I bought a seedling kwai muk to be buddy with my Richmond cv. The leaves on the seedling look VERY different, looking sort of like a fig leaf/oak leaf cross - the Richmond has perfect elliptical leaves. Is this a juvenile stage seedlings go through, or are there different leaf forms for this artocarpus? I'm having no luck with google finding this info. Cheers.

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trikus says...
Maybe someone has got Lakoocha mixed up with Kwaimuk ? Some wrong images out there in web land .

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Time: 10th March 2013 6:55pm

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amanda says...
Wow - that's a beautiful plant trikus...is that the Lakaoocha?
VF - the juvenile Kwai Muk leaves are that shape... :)

Time: 11th March 2013 9:49am

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VF says...
Thanks Trikus and Amanda. (And thanks for finding other topic with pic's, as I never would have found it.)

Good photos Trikus - what a productive tree!

Time: 11th March 2013 11:18am

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BJ says...
Just picked up a Richmond Kwai Muk rather unexpectedly. Happy Days!

Time: 4th July 2013 3:15pm

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VF says...
Congrats BJ! The one I picked up earlier this year is still flowering, it seems like it may become a productive little tree with some maturity. Waiting for the regular seedling to flower too - should then be in business!

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amanda says...
My Kwai Muk has breezed thru our winter here...had 2 light frosts, some hail and some chill time...it's started flowering again.

It's looking very happy - and looks to be a promising plant for more southern folks perhaps...?

The Galaxy Jackfruit next to it - is doing great also!

I don't suppose I will be lucky enough for the jackfruit to be able to pollinate the kwai muk..?


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Time: 23rd August 2013 9:42am

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Mike says...
Kwai muk is known to be one of the most cold hardy of the Artocarpus and jackfruit is not far behind it.

Time: 28th August 2013 7:44am

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amanda says...
Hey Mike - a couple of us fruit tree tragics over here are after a couple of these trees - but Daleys out of stock...you don't know of any source of seeds by any chance do you..?

I have been on the waiting list for some Daleys stuff for 2-3 yrs...I don't want to wait that long to get a friend for my tree..?

I am either missing a cross pollinator - or the actual pollinator..?

I really do feel this tree is promising for us over here..?

(ps - coming to Cairns next week! left there in 97 - so it's going to be a shock I bet!? I don't suppose u have time for a visitor maybe....?)

Time: 28th August 2013 8:22pm

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Mike says...
I can get seeds when they are in season in summer. Sure come around.The vegie patch is pretty grim at the moment and not much fruit is on, but what the heck.

Time: 28th August 2013 9:15pm

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John Mc says...
Can't be any worse than my place after coming home and finding the neighbours fattened escapee goats having a smorgasbord, grrrr.

Time: 28th August 2013 9:30pm

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Mike says...
That is bad news John.Can you taste the Annona foliage in the goat meat? Slow cooked with red wine and garlic goat meat is pretty good.They really should pay the ultimate price for their indiscretion.

Time: 29th August 2013 8:00am

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VF says...
Hey Amanda, you're right in wanting a x-pollinator as by the info out there, the fruit will be much bigger. The picture you've posted is looking similar to my flowering plant - from the little on the net I could find, these are still male flowers only, produced from juvenile trees. The female flowers are round. Bummer, I know! Oh well, soon maybe...

Time: 29th August 2013 10:51pm

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amanda says...
Hi Mike and VF....I'd love to see a pic of a female flower..? Thanks for the info VF.
Mike - that would be awesome if u come across any spare seed...many thanks.
And I will send u an email shortly...
Don't worry about your veg patch etc...I am just keen to see how these sub tropical grow in the hands of an expert! :o)

I don't think I have ever come away from a garden that I haven't learnt something from!?
(except those sterile suburban types..)

Time: 30th August 2013 7:30pm

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VF says...
I haven''t forgotten Amanda, I'm still searching ... The picture, when I found it, wasn't actually in a search for Kwai muk. Hence my difficulty re-finding it. The female was not too unlike the male, just not elongated/oval but a shorter rounder shape. One of the pic's that keeps popping up in my search is that of the alternate placed very round little flowers, that is the Lakoocha mislabelled as Kwai muk (to the best of my research). When I find the real one, one day, I'll post it.... :)

Time: 8th September 2013 4:48am

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amanda-leschenault says...
No prob's VF :) It can be like trying to find a needle in a hay stack hey..?! At least I know now to look out for something different - so that's a start.


Time: 10th September 2013 10:06am

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yry says...
Here is how to find a needle in a haystack- get a magnet!!. No one need use that daggy cliche again.

Time: 11th September 2013 9:14am

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David, are you still out there? Finally got a hold of the lakoocha if you are still interested.

Time: 23rd October 2014 9:39pm

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David says...
Yes still here,am very interested,by the way the green sapote is in full flower right now so will be attempting for the third time to do some marcotts for you, offered some sion wood to Daleys some time ago, they also stated it is a most difficult tree to marcott. However as said will try again,im sure you are a very patient person,but good things come to those who wait, so im told. Where did you get the Lakoocha from email details hehe. dphuntbrisatgmaildotcom. Thankyou very much for remembering

Time: 24th October 2014 7:59am

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echinopora says...
Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that kwai muk had been fruited on a trellis successfully. What is the flowering pattern like? On new growth? I bought a richmond for a lanscape tree in the front yard but so far it has been growing in a very trellis-able shape and if I an get fruit at 6 feet instead of 20 that would be ideal.

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Time: 9th February 2015 9:58pm

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A.C says...
What variety do you have and would they taste similar to some of the garcinias with a sweet/sour/spice flavour?

Time: 10th February 2015 3:34pm

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echinopora says...
The one I have is a cutting grown "richmond" from daleys, and it has put out a lateral branch at almost every leaf node on the central leader, like a feather. I have not tasted a "richmond" before. I had one I suspect to have been a little underipe from a seedling tree because is was tart and a little more latexy than I have heard described, but I liked the taste.

Time: 10th February 2015 5:54pm

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